Propagandhi - "Today's Empires Tomorrow's Ashes"

[calizbak]

outro says what the song means.

[stett99]

anti nwo theme song

[stett99]

your an idiot, were all made of the same shit we are all of the earth no matter what fucking color you have been brainwashed to think is better. read a fucking book or go outside and get some sun instead of listening to mainstream products like lil wayne

[albertmarriner]

that's what you don't get, it ain't about hate! i don't hate any other races, i just like mine better. if that were the case, then every other person who's proud of their ethnicity could be considered "living in hatred" too. that's the double standard, and you "antis" are too scared to be thought of us "racist" to admit to yourself that this is the case. as far as waking up one day to a harsh realization, you really don't pay attention to what's goin on in the world, do you?

[Casanova8959]

Then go associate with people of other races. Go hang out with them. Figure out what their culture is REALLY about. There is so much to experience in this world besides white culture. But the thing really is, I won't admit that I'm racist, because I'm not. I know this might be hard to understand, but I really don't think my race is better in any way, shape, or form. I honestly believe that everyone is (can be) equal. From my experience, that is my worldview, and it works. Quite well, in fact.

[albertmarriner]

i love how you constantly contradict yourself.. it's like you can't remember what you write. oh, well, live the lie, sweet heart, live the lie.

[Casanova8959]

@albertmarriner Haha, nice argument man. I forgot about the "oh yeah? well, I'm right" approach. I'll be sure to take that one next time. Have fun living in hatred and segregation for your whole life. I hope one day you wake up and realize that it was all one massive fucking waste of time. Enjoy.

[albertmarriner]

oh, one last thing: you can give me all the bullshit reasons you want, you know the reason you're against white pride, it's because tolerance is the last refuge for a man who believes in nothing. and if you are a man, i use that term very loosly.. you are just like every other leftist, you support what is the safest, that's why you say islam is "tolerant", and only talk about black slavery a hundred years ago, and don't address what's going on in africa today..you are a hypocrite and a coward

[Casanova8959]

OK dude, I really don't want to keep doing this, but you almost leave me no choice. FIRST of all, YOU were the one who first came on this page of a band you obviously don't like and don't agree with for whatever reason and started "crowing like a rooster" about how much you don't like them and their ideas, not me. I came here to enjoy a live performance of my favorite band. And I'm the hypocrite? Nice, dude. I don't go trolling youtube pages looking to pick a fight.

[Casanova8959]

Second, I cannot be a racist, I don't judge people based on race. Bam. The End. Third, I don't hate anybody, I don't hate you. In fact, I don't even know you. Fourth, I believe in many things. In fact, I think you were the one who called me "very idealistic" earlier. Fifth, I'm glad you use that term loosely, I think stereotypical "manliness" is dumb and only leads to people being dicks and assholes.

[Casanova8959]

Sixth, Believe you me, I do not support what is "the safest" as you say. This world is fucked up, it needs to be changed. Seventh, I did not say Islam is tolerant, in fact i believe i said that both Islam and Christianity are very intolerant. Eighth, I don't "only talk about black slavery" I was using as ONE point in the middle of an argument.

[Casanova8959]

Ninth, I realize there is fucked up shit happening in africa today, there's also fucked up shit happening in eastern europe, in china, and yes, in the good ol' US of A. It's not a matter of race specifically, It's a matter of one group of people believing that they have power over another group of people. Whether that power is based on race, class, gender, what have you. THAT, my friend, is what leads to intolerance, genocide, and war.

[Casanova8959]

It's happened over and over again throughout history, and it's about time that that shit is stopped for good.

[albertmarriner]

and with that, you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are a racist hypocrite. i invite you to eat a big old bowl of shit, along with all your other "hatefully tolerant" comrades. just so you know, sweetheart, there's more of me than there is of you, we just don't crow like roosters to everyone like you do, accomplishing nothing but exposing your blatant hypocrisy. we will win! make no mistake about that.. 828

[albertmarriner]

i will be willing to bet you have plenty of friends who have "black pride" "chicano pride" "gay pride" "native pride", and every other type of ethnic and sexual orientation pride. i would also bet that you don't say fuck all to them about how their pride is baseless,and we should all "work together"hell, if you're like every other hypocritcal multi-culti cunt, you probably encourage it. that's because it's easier to be against white pride. that's what's known as hyopocrisy i'm done with you now

[Casanova8959]

It's easier to be against "white pride" because there's almost no reason for "white pride" to exist. I have never been put at a disadvantage because of my race. No one has ever denied me a job because of my race. America (and much of the western world) has always been run by rich, old, white men, with or without obama being the puppethead. If there's anything that should put me at a disadvantage in that statement it would definitely be the "rich" part and not the "white" part. Done.

[albertmarriner]

so, quit wasting my time, live in your little fantasy world, listen to your gay ass band and be instrumental in the extinction of your race. i have nothing more to say to you. you and all your "p.c." ilk are just going to have to watch it all go to shit..

[Casanova8959]

I have no race pride. I will continue to listen to the most educated and well spoken (punk) band to ever exist. Hopefully it will not "go to shit" if people begin to work together for once in history instead of just trying to take advantage of and exploit one another. I agree, I have nothing left to say to you either.

[albertmarriner]

no, i'm merely stating that you never mentione these things, only "white supremacy" and i'm not a christian, i'm just sick of "tolerant islam", when they riot over cartoons, behaed "apostates", genitally mutilat ewomen, and do you know what dhimmtude is? as far as world enslavement, you are a typical leftist by not acknowledging that slavery exists today in africa. they complain about 200 years ago here, yet do nothing about it in their "motherland" and claim to be the only race this happened to

[albertmarriner]

"the horrors of slavery" and never once do any of these people mention the moors. never once do these pepole mention the fact that africans enslave other africans, even today,as i waste my time on you, in the sudan and what do they do it over? religion. "tolerant" muslims enslaving christians. so, your selective outrage is not only annoying, just proves how much of a moron you really are. good luck in your quest for "equality", but it ain't never gonna happen..

[Casanova8959]

Ok, I'll indulge. So let me get this straight...you are basing your racism and white supremacy on the fact that the moors invaded spain in the 9th century? I would definitely call that selective outrage. If you didn't see my previous comment, I had said that the murders of christian and newsome were wrong. Even more wrong if they were driven by racism. If it were the reverse situation it would be JUST as wrong. It's a fact that African Americans are at a disadvantage in this country.

[Casanova8959]

That disadvantage, of course, beginning because white people believed that they, and other races were inferior. I'm beginning to get really confused by your argument at this point. Are you still defending white supremacy, or are you now defending christianity? because thats a whole different argument. Christianity, just like Islam, is also very intolerant. Both religions come across as more tolerant in the western world because in general people have a more comfortable lifestyle.

[Casanova8959]

Also, you appeared to be defending hispanic people? good start, my friend. Also #2, you still have not answered my question as to why you feel that you cannot side with underprivileged people of races other than your own? Finally, If we're going to talk enslavement on a massive scale and global conquest...we should really start with Britain.

[albertmarriner]

as you're no doubt aware, in the 9th century, the north african moors (who, by the way, were also muslim) invaded and conquered spain, portugal, and half of france. do the math, as far as this being before or aftr the crime of black slavery, just like every mult-culti moron before you, you seem to indulge in selective outrage. the "people" who tortured christian and newsome weren't nor ever had been slaves. that excuse is getting really old. i live in the south, so i always get to hear about

[Casanova8959]

At the risk of sounding like a hippie, this shit CAN change. It's just a matter of whether people are willing to let go of ideas that are only "true" because at some specific instance in history somebody gave them credit (even if they have since been discredited), and since have been universally accepted. Also, you seemed to be siding with "underprivileged white people" in your argument before. What prevents you from siding with underprivileged people of other races as well?

[albertmarriner]

what city do you live in? what kind of work do you do?

[Casanova8959]

City: ... Work: Cook. Islam is very intolerant, its also a bunch of ideas *created* by society. Murder is wrong no matter what, murder motivated by racism is worse. Racism works the same way between all races. What about 300+ years of slavery and oppression of poor blacks? I think that probably outweighs any violent acts committed by any racially based organizations in recent history. We're obviously not going to agree on this issue, so I'm sorry for wasting your time.

[albertmarriner]

you're right, i'm gonna run right out, join my local anarchist collective, and forget years of personal exoerience just because some really idealistic person named "Casanova8959" told me too. i cannot tolerate your viewpoint because it's not realistic. do you speak out aginst the nation of islam? how about when channon christian and christopher newsome were totured to death, simply because they were white? what about "la raza?" you got gripe with them? what about the black panther party?

[Casanova8959]

For example: "I can't trust black people, they are going to hurt me." If society as a whole keeps repeating and applying that, it is only going to remain in peoples heads and the stereotype will just continue to build up. If people (of all races) start to dismiss these ideas that they have been told all their lives, however, these kinds of prejudices might disappear. Almost everything we hold to be true, positive or negative, has been created by societies at one point or another. That is fact.

[Casanova8959]

Obviously you don't tolerate my viewpoint. I also have a hard time tolerating yours. This is something that is naturally going to happen (*any community is going to have conflicts.) Intolerance of someone else's viewpoints is a totally different ballgame than intolerance based on things like race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. But yes, I do think we are all equal. What keeps people from being equal are forms of oppression *created* by society throughout history.

[albertmarriner]

i got a good idea, get a fucking job, and live in the real world. your types claim to think all people are equal, but you do nothing but spout your self-righteous rhetoric, and anyone disagreeing with you is "intolerant" you think we're all "equal?" come to my neighborhood sometime. only priveledged white kids have the luxury to claim that all we need to do is "love one another" those of us who work know that it isn't that simple. you types are just doing what's fashionable.

[Casanova8959]

I work, I live downtown in a large city, I'm surrounded by all types of people all the time, my world is fairly "real" as you say. I interact with them on a daily basis. I'm not saying that everyone has to "love eachother." Any community is going to have conflicts, thats just the way it is. I am just saying that one should not form negative opinions of another based on something as minuscule as race or gender.

[Casanova8959]

People need to snap out of lifestylism (i.e. punk rock) and just realize that none of us are all that different from one another, AND more importantly that no one is any better than anyone else. Oh, and you were the one who first came onto this page and started insulting others opinions my friend, not me. I'm just defending those that actually care about this wworld. Have a good day.

[albertmarriner]

yeah, and the way to make a better world is to label any opinion that is different from yours as "uneducated", and "intolerant" you types are all the same. i'm not wasting my time on you anymore..

[Casanova8959]

Actually, I'm pretty sure I'm open to more opinions than you are. What I'm NOT open to are outdated ideas that only exist to keep people oppressed (i.e. racism, sexism, homophobia, etc.) It's guaranteed that these ideas still exist because of uneducated people and intolerance. The only reason divisions still remain between races an sexes in society is because we allow them to. The only reason that "stereotypes are true" is because society continues to repeat that lie over and over again.

[albertmarriner]

your right dude, the definition of "tolerance" is to call people "uneducated" who don't agree with your little shopping mall punk ideas. thanks for exposing, yet again, the glaring hypocrisy in your "movement." oh, yeah, and "casanova8959", it's really hard to be against "today's empire", when your band profits from it. very original screen name, too

[Casanova8959]

Get out of your box and realize that there are real people suffering from oppression in the world. What is punk without a social conscience? For that matter, what is any movement without a social conscience? You can attach whatever outdated associations (i.e. mohawks, "fuck you attitude," circle pits) you have to punk rock, they are totally fucking useless unless they try to better the world, keep that in mind.

[Casanova8959]

I hope you're not referring to Propagandhi with that comment....They are one of the most honest and socially charged bands ever to come out of said punk movement. You're denying them their punk credibility based on the fact that they are aware that there are greater issues facing society than asshole rednecks? Oh wait, I forgot they don't have (totally awesome!) three foot tall green mohawks and patches covering every inch of their bodies....yep...totally not punk at all.

[BubbaFett65000]

Hey mister run-on, you're an ignorant bastard. If that's the way you think, maybe you SHOULD be a cop.

[albertmarriner]

dirivitive shopping mall kiddie pseudo-punk for little snot-nose fucks who couldn't be around when punk was real, and like to play punk now when there's no threat of physical violence by cops or rednecks. what a sad ending to a glorious movement!.

[Quankers]

I'm sure you're keeping it real enough for all us sell-outs.

[Casanova8959]

@albertmarriner Oh, he's a white supremacist. WOOO! Intolerance! real punk rock man, keep being a dick, just keep your uneducated comments to yourself.

[zallouz]

CHEERS FROM TUNISIA !!!

[trevorlucius]

i was there. love this band.

[sandihume]

THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME

[profitprophet368]

TODAY'S EMPIRE

IS TOMORROW'S ASHES

[deathbymetal89]

hahaha

[kurtisblow3000]

the nail that sticks up. gets hammered down.

[deathbymetal89]

saw these guys in sparks a couple months after the release of potemkin... the level of amazingness makes everything in my life seem shitty.. best band ever

[moshiu]

this song is plain brilliant.

[adipunkrock]

rocking hard

[LilithFilth]

If I ever see Propagandhi live & rockin' it hard, i will die a happy woman.

[smallvictories1]

@LilithFilth 3 of the best nights of my life. Twice in Toronto, once in Seattle. All mind blowing. It'll happen!

[LilithFilth]

@smallvictories1 :) It happened.. In 2008 I found out they were headed down-under after tix had sold out in my state so we flew interstate just to see them, then last year we went to both shows in one of the best venues in our home state for such shows; such great energy! My life is complete :)

Now I can't wait for the new album...crossing my fingers for this year.

[millencolin22]

Sick! i was right in front of you this show kicked so much ass! Thanks for posting this got any more