Hitler learns that Gomez will succeed Mahony as Archbishop of LA

[Yankeegator]

Oh man, this is SOOOO GREAT and TRUE!!!

[Gorbachenko]

Good riddance to Mahoney the homo heretic!

[Gorbachenko]

HA HA HA, hilarious!!!!!!

[colinpostnz]

wow i pray the pope does the same in my diocese.

This is the best video ever

[zts78zt]

The fuhrer issued an order : send Bishop Vlazny and Maho to the eastern front , let them cope with generals Chuikoff , January and Febuary. Let them freeze their dry nuts. Withhold the supply from the Luftwaffe. Snell .

[zxzx1212ify]

Bishop Law , Mahony , Vlazny will be remembered as protectors of pedophiles priests ... they drove the Church back to the dark age . Too bad they could make a difference ,a better tomorrow and a shining light of Jesus Christ . They simply took the easy road and deceitful road .

[MsLucky443]

Hysterical! I think this is exactly the way they plan in hell against the Catholic Church.

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk Again, that's all common knowledge. I don't know why you think that you're making a point against me by pointing it out.

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk You did no such thing. You simply pointed out that bishop Hudal was central in running the Ratline, which is obviously correct.

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk I guess this must be really hard to understand. The Catholic church has a 2000 year history. Some of it is extremely admirable, some of it is rather silly, and some of it it is absolutely heinous. Just like you would expect.

Pointing out that a few people during a few years acted less than admirably says nothing of the tradition as a whole. I hope that's clear now, and that you'll stop calling me a hateful anti-catholic.

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk I'm sorry, but that's just a completely arbitrary definition of left and right. Anyone can come up with an idealized version of how they would like things to be, but you need to look to the real world.

You can't in practice divorce the right from conservatism or the left from liberalism. In theory yes, but in theory China is a perversion of communism rather than an example of it. Southern European fascism would be the corollary on the right.

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk I have indeed read it, and found it highly speculative. Which is not to say it's not true, only that there is too much wishful thinking involved to make it persuasive.

I'll say it again: I never claimed that the pope was a nazi, Only that he was in a position to actually make a difference, given that so many nazis were Catholic and would presumably have listened to him, and he decided to do nothing.

Rest assured that Pious XI would have acted differently.

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk Are you seriously saying that people DON'T get raped and killed all the time? Without it necessarily making the news, unimaginably horrific as it may be? Surely not.

Again, the creepy thing about this case is that it was used to "counter" the Shepard murder. As in "well, this gay was killed by two straights, but now a straight has been killed by two gays, so we're even".

I remember the case perfectly well. You're making up opinions for me again. You need to stop that.

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk Lastly, it's a bit sad that you still feel the need to put vile words like "breeder" in my mouth, accuse me of victimizing myself (quote, please?) and then argue from that imaginary position.

As I've said before, Catholicism has generally been known for its intellectual honesty, if not necessarily for its factually correct conclusions. I'm sorry that you don't aspire to live up to that great tradition.

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk Next. I'm sorry to keep harping on it, because I've explained it to you already. It's not a simple matter of more or less government. The right generally wants less government on fiscal matters, the left wants less government on social matters.

Reading your own post illustrates this confusion perfectly, as you claim that both theocracy and secular democracy are leftist positions. I have yet to actually see a leftist theocracy, but that's beside the point.

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk Next. I never accused you of harboring Nazis or complicity in the Holocaust. For all I know you weren't even born at the time. I only accuse the people who were in charge, especially Pious XII.

And even their sins were mostly ones of passivity and omission. I never suggested otherwise. The SS, who carried out the Holocaust, was indeed largely composed of practicing Catholics with "God on our side" on their belt buckles. But that doesn't mean that the Church condoned their actions.

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk Last things first, I for one remember Jesse Dirkhising perfectly well. He was raped and killed by two men in 1999.

Opportunist conservatives jumped on this case to somehow cancel the horror of Matthew Shepard being tortured to death for being gay the year before.

Not to diminish mr Dirkhising in any way, but people are getting raped and killed all the time. Intent really matters, and that's why we have hate crime legislation. I'm sorry that you felt the need to bring this up again. 

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk As for hatred, give me a break. I shouldn't have to spell this out for you, but criticizing certain actions and positions that are obviously immoral and destructive doesn't make you hateful. It makes you a morally normal person.

I puzzles me why the adherents of the most powerful non-secular institution in the world should stoop to the kind of hysterical ad hominem and straw man attacks you have just exemplified at the slightest criticism. Shouldn't you be beyond that?

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk We're off on a bit of a tangent here, but when I talked about people wanting gays executed, I was referring to dominionists. They are hard right conservative Christians who want the US to be ruled according to the Bible.

I know that Catholics will have none of that, which one of the reasons why I do tend to like you.

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk Sodomy laws technically outlawed heterosexual oral and anal sex as well as all forms of gay sex. But they were only ever applied to the latter.

Following a lawsuit by a gay couple who were arrested for having sex in their own home in Texas in 2003, the supreme court declared sodomy laws unconstitutional. Thus DE-criminalizing gay sex in 12 states.

So when the GOP wants sodomy laws reinstated, they want gay sex RE-criminalized. How can you possibly not understand this?

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk That was indeed insane. Here is a direct quote from the official 2010 platform of the Texas GOP:

“We oppose the legalization of sodomy. We demand that Congress exercise its authority granted by the U.S. Constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy.”

Who's delusional here? You obviously didn't even care to do a 10 second google search before calling ME delusional.

The whacky people you refer to want gays executed, not just put in jail.

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk I wasn't backtracking by any means, I was just honestly conceding that I was wrong on a minor point that I don't really need to carry my argument. I think you know that.

And I'm already peaceful, thank you for your concern. It's perfectly possible to find the complicity of the people in charge of the Church during those dark years reprehensible without hating religion as such. My husband is Catholic and I go to church with him every Sunday.

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk Left and right are surely misleading labels in this case. Fiscal conservatism is not synonymous with social conservatism.

Keep in mind that communists and social democrats were actually carted off to the concentration camps well before the Jews were.

A more current example: who is trying to re-criminalize gay sex in the US at this very moment? The right or the left? And if they succeed, would that be LESS of an intrusion of government in people's private lives, or MORE? 

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk You're also technically right about excommunication, but think about it for a moment. Joseph Goebbels WAS excommunicated by the church. Why? For marrying a protestant. Which theologically is apparently a greater error than being complicit in murdering 10 million people in death camps.

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk Well, I could come back with “I am now, as before, a Catholic and will always remain so” (1941) and we could go back and forth all day. But I do think you're right. At some point he did lose his Christian faith. When? Who knows.

And please stop spreading the neopagan nonsense. It's not like he actually thought that thunder was caused by Thor's hammer. He just thought that German nationalism could benefit from the appreciation of German (actually Scandinavian) mythology.

[Chrysothemis]

@conspunk Absolutely. Hitler was sure lucky to have Pious XII take over from his predecessor, who at least kept a quietly passive-aggressive stance toward naziism, if not fascism. And in 1939, no less!

If nothing else, Hitler and the rest of the nazi war criminals avoided being excommunicated by the church. And many of them actually escaped to South America with the help of the Vatican AFTER the war was over.

[coffeefish]

Hitler was born into and raised by a very Catholic family.

[TheProudAmerican777]

WERE LOSING THE BLUDDY PULPIT! lol

[philhines]

Dude, "Post Vatican II Babies"? and "Permanent Deacons..."... I don't think you speak for all the devout.

[Gethsemaneful]

This is so totally "win". God bless you!

[megaead69]

wonderful metaphor. Long Live Pope Benedict XVl!!

[onecommandment]

Is this what it means to be RC? What's next - round up those whose Catholicism is "impure" and put them in concentration camps? Read the scriptures, my friends. When the arguments are about keeping kosher or getting circumcised... or liturgical dance or the architecture of a cathedral... you know you have lost the heart of Jesus teaching. Jesus, you may recall, welcomed all to his table, even "losers", and "aging hippies." And even you, pharisees.

[Estaban333]

Wonderful!

[truth7beauty]

(: This is good. Continue to pray!

[Rosiemom1227]

Love it!

[upinhere7]

A brilliant metaphor. Thanks for posting.

[ffrancisofassissi]

Fantastic! The angst of the 'liberal' Catholics at the renewal of the Church by those who are faithful to her Tradition and view the Second Vatican Council as a development not a disruption is lampooned well in the film clip. Archbishop Gomez will be a great pastor for the flock of Christ in L.A. but he will face opposition from the aging hippies who see their generation passing and unlamented vision going too

[alicepolarbear]

I understand the need to use Hitler, because everybody recognizes Hitler and all evil that he stands for,but a more appropriate figure would have been Josef Stalin. Stalin was the one who sent operatives to recruit young Communist operatives into the seminaries to destroy the Catholic Church from within. (Google "Bella Dodd" and kind of follow from there to see what I mean, if you haven't heard about this) It was, however, a BRILLIANT satire.

[thouartjohnd]

I live under the Trautman regime in Erie, PA.

Thank you for the ray of hope that he will be replaced with a

conservative Bishop. I pray Gomez uphold tradition.

[Chrysothemis]

I really shouldn't need to spell out the irony here, but it seems that I do. Hitler was depending heavily on the CONSERVATIVE branch of the Catholic church, as was Mussolini.

[Catholiques1]

lol, awesome, only if the words were larger and up a second longer, but good stuff.. pax

[pgjohnson]

Don't get your hopes up too high...

[SuperTinlin]

Arise, O Lord, and judge your own cause. Remember your reproaches to those who are filled with foolishness all through the day. Listen to our prayers, for foxes have arisen seeking to destroy the vineyard whose winepress you alone have trod. When you were about to ascend to your Father, you committed the care, rule, and administration of the vineyard, an image of the triumphant church, to Peter, as the head and your vicar and his successors.

[Toribus]

@IrishEddieOHara But Brie is delicious!

[2Dewi]

The permanent deaconate in its current manifestation in most dioceses IS a pernicious produce of 20th Century liberal clericalism. By attempting to make the laity into clerics is profoundly disrespectful of the unique role the laity plays in the life of the Church militant.

[jgonnerman85]

@2Dewi Umm...in case you haven't heard, deacons are clerics. "Making the laity into clerics" is, quite simply, the Sacrament of Holy Orders.

[thouartjohnd]

@2Dewi AMEN BROTHER! If you're in a liberal Diocese they are sometimes counted as priests. Sadly, deacon formation is woefully lacking! Ours gave a sermon in front of the altar holding a bowling ball.

[ChristusVincit1]

Didn't appreciate the permanent deacons comment. The rest was funny and very legitimate, but implying there's something wrong with the permanent diaconate is just a very peculiar form of clericalism.

[CarcharodonMeg]

Go, Gomez, GO!!

[staugie314]

The text of the subtitles is either too small or fade out too quickly or both. Several times I had not finished reading it when it had disappeared. Otherwise, it is brilliant.

[MarcoFrisbee]

"Downfall" is awesome. I've seen it so many times I can't pay attention to the spoof subtitles anymore!

Bruno Ganz, who plays Hitler, does a pretty good job in an English-langage film about Luther, opposite Joseph Fiennes.

[ebonadiman]

I love it!

[damienvargas]

When do we send the heretics to the work camps? LOL!

[deidominus]

I did not think the comment "Armies of Permanent Deacons" was in keeping with the rest of the comments. It sort of runined the whole thing for me.

[wackoinwaco]

This IS the best Hilter subtitle spoof. Brilliant. Keep em coming.

[wufongtan]

@ tom. No it isn't the end of "the Church of Social Justice and Compassion". It is the end of liturgy abuses. The end of people working from the inside to destroy what it means to be Catholic. And more importantly. The end of losers trying to change the Church to suit the latest public whim, And taking it back to the Church Jesus set up in the beginning.

[dizzy365]

@wufongtan Amen!

[legoboyfan2]

where can i watch the real thing?

[zoonomia]

Dumb. Nothing is as fun as beating up on enemies long dead I guess.

[christine1h]

Whaa-hahahaha!!! This is awesome :D Hooray for Benedict!

[lizh1019]

Hee hee. This made my day. :)

[patrickdhamilton]

@tomcrowelb

You don't know that Opud Dei means "Work of God" and their primary work is in Latin America helping those who need work, the poor, providing them with education, cathechesis, and practical skills to make a living.

More like finally here comes the REAL Church of Social Justice and Compassion.

And Glenn Beck is a Mormon; what would he want with Opus Dei.

Awesome video.

[andyjourn]

Tom, don't you see they have just superimposed the words over an existing movie! When they were talking about the USA, what were they looking at? A map of Europe.

[DrPohteeyeh]

LOL!, genius, LOL!

[tomcrowelb]

This video must be done by Opus Dei; no one else could assembled so many Nazi uniforms on such short notice!! And these volkes really know how to be fascists - Benedict must have coached them!

Well there goes the Church of Social Justice and Compassion! Glen Beck must consult with Opus!!!

[pianofanatic18]

Oh goodness! x'D

[BlestOne05]

hilarious!!!!!

[pamelanak]

This is the best Hitler diatribe yet!! Now lets start a fund to demolish the "Cathedral" that Mohoney Built. Just think--a world without liturgical dancing has once again become possible in Los Angeles!

[TheProudAmerican777]

@pamelanak Indeed Te Deum Ladamus.:)

[TheProudAmerican777]

@pamelanak I think if we do, we should rename it the Cathedral of the Holy Angels, and use some of the saved artifacts from St.vibians as well as some new and traditional stuff the same way the U.S.S New York used parts from ground zero. That in my opinion would be a beautiful tribute to the traditions of the past and a solem reminder that progressive liberalism shall never prevail in the Holy Mother Church!

[Xolus317]

@pamelanak We could always just take the Blessed Sacrament out of there and then sell the taj mahoney to the protestants; that way, we'll have the necessary funding to restore the real Cathedral.

[embcampana]

YES!!!!