Anyone who thinks an internal master should go into a sporting event and ply his skills just to prove they work obviously has never experienced the power of internal martial arts. It's like saying "If you're so good at kenjutsu why don't you prove it in the Octagon?" These arts are for REAL combat not combat SPORT. That's what MMA has done to peoples perception of martial arts.
Thats really not a fair comparision, Why would you ask to prove sword fighting skills in a an empty hand sport? We ask our footballers to prove themselves in the World Cup not the Indie 500. Almost everything in MMA can be utlised for self defence & reality, dont you find it weird that 'internal styles' cant operate in the combat sports at all? hell theres little evidence it works in reality. It would only take one person change all this, but they have yet to appear..
What is evident also is his skill as a teacher. After training with him for a very short time when I was 25, ( I am now a healthy 56) I have never found a more honest and giving instructor. Everything I was taught afterward I have filtered through this experience and it has proven to increase the effectiveness of what I studied after him, and granted me a more fulfilling life experience as a person, not just a martial artist. He is a modern treasure.
The thing that gets to me is that he always has these long-haired, skinny, uncoordinated-looking hippie-type guys throwing absurd, uncontrolled punches at him. I'd love to see him fight or even demonstrate on a less cooperative, conservative and smart opponent. The internal arts have never produced a fighter who's made any impact on international no holds barred fighting, and the onus is really on the practitioners to give more realistic fighting demos than this if they want to convince anyone.
@Delonovitch We've approved your borderline abusive post to make a few points. First off, the comment "hippie-type" relates a closed, bigoted mindset so we would caution you to think before spouting off pejorative remarks. Second, there is no such thing as a "no-holds-barred" fighting contest except in a real street fight. So while we agree that the simplified self-defense demonstrated here probably wouldn't work against a seasoned bare hands killer, that's the way you learn the basics.
This is well late but the comment is still up top. But borderline abusive? Apart from the "long-haired, skinny, uncoordinated-looking hippie-type guys throwing absurd" comment, take it on the chin. Mr Bruce is, and will always be, it seems, a cocky fella. He knows, and can do some stuff, so can others.
If you can take out your opponents with just chi, why not? He has developed amazing chi. Once in a class he folded arms across his chest and asked for a volunteer to push him. Little me volunteered. First I rooted my chi 3 feet in the ground. The second my palms touched his arms I felt a force flipping my whole body backwards and I had to let go of my "root" on the ground or would have broken my own legs. Seemed like no moving or blending was necessary!
This guy is terrific and also articulate. I have his books and appreciate his teachings however I do not think he has seen truly high level karate as he's always using karate as the "bad" example. Kinda disappointing.
"...karate, basically it's just the arm that goes out"? No way! The entire body is definitely involved. To say otherwise is disingenuous.
You may be right about the whole body movig, but how much does karate emphasize on being aware about every cell in your body, and how much specific training is karate putting into that? I think Mr. Frantzis explains the difference between internal and external martial arts very well here.
Actually he kinda talks in one of his books about how in high level karate, he saw more "masters" who knew more of this whole body power, but were only taught in upper levels. Whereareas CIMA teaches this the first thing.
thanks for posting! nice apps, particularly the applications of the cloud hands towards the end. and bastion, he's teaching the bagua single palm in SF this summer.
Anyone who thinks an internal master should go into a sporting event and ply his skills just to prove they work obviously has never experienced the power of internal martial arts. It's like saying "If you're so good at kenjutsu why don't you prove it in the Octagon?" These arts are for REAL combat not combat SPORT. That's what MMA has done to peoples perception of martial arts.
TheIronPriestVlog 8 months ago
@TheIronPriestVlog
Thats really not a fair comparision, Why would you ask to prove sword fighting skills in a an empty hand sport? We ask our footballers to prove themselves in the World Cup not the Indie 500. Almost everything in MMA can be utlised for self defence & reality, dont you find it weird that 'internal styles' cant operate in the combat sports at all? hell theres little evidence it works in reality. It would only take one person change all this, but they have yet to appear..
Donkyfishy 7 months ago
interesting to see him use one of the 3 swings as a fighting application I didnt know you could do that.
maxboyd69 10 months ago
fantastic . Always like to read and hear anything from B. Frantzis . I stumbled on this . Good stuff.
Rafa38 10 months ago
What is evident also is his skill as a teacher. After training with him for a very short time when I was 25, ( I am now a healthy 56) I have never found a more honest and giving instructor. Everything I was taught afterward I have filtered through this experience and it has proven to increase the effectiveness of what I studied after him, and granted me a more fulfilling life experience as a person, not just a martial artist. He is a modern treasure.
array1138 1 year ago 3
Im only 17 i just bought one of his books, so im searching up about him. I like the format of his books, their pretty cool.
bezerka 1 year ago
The thing that gets to me is that he always has these long-haired, skinny, uncoordinated-looking hippie-type guys throwing absurd, uncontrolled punches at him. I'd love to see him fight or even demonstrate on a less cooperative, conservative and smart opponent. The internal arts have never produced a fighter who's made any impact on international no holds barred fighting, and the onus is really on the practitioners to give more realistic fighting demos than this if they want to convince anyone.
Delonovitch 1 year ago
@Delonovitch We've approved your borderline abusive post to make a few points. First off, the comment "hippie-type" relates a closed, bigoted mindset so we would caution you to think before spouting off pejorative remarks. Second, there is no such thing as a "no-holds-barred" fighting contest except in a real street fight. So while we agree that the simplified self-defense demonstrated here probably wouldn't work against a seasoned bare hands killer, that's the way you learn the basics.
MartialArchiveTv 1 year ago
This is well late but the comment is still up top. But borderline abusive? Apart from the "long-haired, skinny, uncoordinated-looking hippie-type guys throwing absurd" comment, take it on the chin. Mr Bruce is, and will always be, it seems, a cocky fella. He knows, and can do some stuff, so can others.
Bc2ast 2 months ago
@Delonovitch
My teacher (ex boxer seasoned martial artist with short hair ; )) trained with BK Frantzis years back and was 110% convinced by his power and skills
waddinb 1 year ago
Kumar is the real deal. I studied with him in the late 70's, early 80's.
Consider him a master. He may not be pretty, but he's very, very good.
hootsmeister 2 years ago 3
I do not think his applications are effcient
at all. To much emphasis on developing a chi punch rather than moving on time or blending with your partner.
Godfathergame 2 years ago
@Godfathergame
If you can take out your opponents with just chi, why not? He has developed amazing chi. Once in a class he folded arms across his chest and asked for a volunteer to push him. Little me volunteered. First I rooted my chi 3 feet in the ground. The second my palms touched his arms I felt a force flipping my whole body backwards and I had to let go of my "root" on the ground or would have broken my own legs. Seemed like no moving or blending was necessary!
riverbrim 1 year ago
@Godfathergame
yo dog.
go and feel his movement. I have. his timing is EXCELLENT, as is his sensitivity.
ive seen him work with lots of folks, and all ive ever seen is someone else looking like they can't stand up, while he looks very comfortable.
then I go work with that person, and 1/2 the time, they are very good!
just cause he's talking about chi doesn't mean he doesn't teach that other stuff. he does. for sure...
I really like the applications he taught me, very useful and adaptable...
richardshapiroII 1 year ago
One of the very few people in the US who actually knows what he's talking about. Excellent.
frappfreak 2 years ago 9
This guy is terrific and also articulate. I have his books and appreciate his teachings however I do not think he has seen truly high level karate as he's always using karate as the "bad" example. Kinda disappointing.
"...karate, basically it's just the arm that goes out"? No way! The entire body is definitely involved. To say otherwise is disingenuous.
Yariten 2 years ago 5
You may be right about the whole body movig, but how much does karate emphasize on being aware about every cell in your body, and how much specific training is karate putting into that? I think Mr. Frantzis explains the difference between internal and external martial arts very well here.
Pandawarrior12 2 years ago
Actually he kinda talks in one of his books about how in high level karate, he saw more "masters" who knew more of this whole body power, but were only taught in upper levels. Whereareas CIMA teaches this the first thing.
cloud0123 2 years ago 3
@cloud0123 karate that does not teach whole body movement at a base level is bad karate (not that i'm exactly good at it, but at least i try)
asd748wsx 1 year ago
We in the west are lucky to have the teaching of this guy. He is a credit to his master.
sammydogruby 3 years ago 3
Takes walking the circle to a major art form and, for those of us who have learned even the rudiments, a difficult and sophisticated on.
jhpress 3 years ago
thanks for posting! nice apps, particularly the applications of the cloud hands towards the end. and bastion, he's teaching the bagua single palm in SF this summer.
richardshapiroII 3 years ago
Wow, fine form
blajing 3 years ago
I own the book written by this man, he is truly a great master. I truly wish I could learn from him.
Bastion83 3 years ago