Irrefutable Proof of the Resurrection of Lord Jesus; "No Resurrection, No Church"!!!

[elnoraemily]

Okay, first of all the Jewish church (synagog) was around long before 33 AD. Jewish teachings do not say that Jesus was divine in any way. 33 AD was around the time of the formation of the Christian church, who followed the teachings of Jesus and Paul, ect. There are no writings from the eyewitnesses of the resurrection so that is a moot point. The Gospels were not written by Mathew, Mark, Luke or John, or any eyewitness for that matter. It is just a log of his teachings.

[MrToiletface]

these are just storeys from the bible. were looking for evidence outside the bible. so far out of the 20 or so historians around his supposed time, not one has made any mention of jesus. kinda odd considering all the miricles he performed.... wouldve thought someone woudve written it down. furthermore, jesus is a fictional charecter based on astrological allignments during the solstists. try doing some research before forcing your false beleifs down other peoples throats. moronic christians.

[MistyMarie1970]

I would like to ask. I study the bible & it may be because i have studied it without religious upbringing, but The OT massiah is refered to as Gods servent, in NT he is refered to as a prophet, Teacher & leader from the line of David. How did he become a Son of God concieved by a virgin,& reserected. (sounds sumerian with gods coming into the daughters of men) & gods assending and descending? I believe God created us Mortal Humans, I believe Jesus was human, with the spirit of truth of God

[kaviliaidissotiris]

GOD Vs Church? think that God shows LOVE but church shows "sheep come" . The articles of the apostoles are not real prove of investigation. What ever written by people has strong manipulation to control people. If someone opposed to my words, i could please him honestly to tell me how God rise to kingdom. WHAT KIND OF POWERS HE USED AFTER RESURRECTION when the students see him? Anyway, scientifically there is no prove but i am strong believer to God and believe that exist with all my heart!!

[southyr6]

Religious fruitloops. Snap out of it.

[TPLR2]

No proof at all! Nowhere outside the New Testament does this event get a mention. A bit Odd don't you think. I am a Christian BTW but nowadays having second thoughts about the fabrications of the NT. God Bless.

[johnnythesailorman]

Jesus didn't rise from the grave but the extra holes in his mutilated corpse did cause a rise in the truousers of a group of some vey lonely roman necrophiliacs that moved his body out of the tomb

[SuperTruthlover]

@trixxxy100

You are the one that wanted to know how Moses know about the events taking place before he was born. If my answers fighten you then stop asking questions.

I understand you did not know by the time Moses lived there were great cities and culture because of ignorance. However there is no reason to ramain an ignorant fool. Study and seek truth and the truth will set you free. God bless you in your path and may he deal with you and reveal Himself to you. peace

[ha0hahaha0ha]

GOD IS A LIE YOU PEOPLE USE TO COVER PROBLEMS

[SuperTruthlover]

@trixxxy100

God did tell Moses about the creation of the world of course. There was paper and the ability to write books so why would people use only oral means to record events?

there is 66 books can't you count sir?

There are 40 authors perhaps that is what you were trying to say!

the bible is no crock but you are. LOL

Many facts recorded in the Bible have been challenged with the same result, later archeology confirms the reliability of the biblical records down to the smallest detail

[THADI0US]

@SuperTruthlover "archeology confirms the reliability of the biblical records down to the smallest detail"

Does it? Even Noah's ark, then what happened to the dinosaurs?

[SuperTruthlover]

@THADI0US

The conclusion that one draws from this material is that the Bible is a reliable historical document. Its accuracy has been proved numerous times. Its historical inaccuracy has never been demonstrated. So that when we approach the Bible, we do so with a good amount of confidence that what it records actually happened. If this is true, then we need to come to terms about what the Bible claims.

[SuperTruthlover]

@THADI0US

Is that why you reject god dogface?

Noah's ark and dino turds huh.

You don't want to beleive in God than don't

You are free to reject God and wait to face Jesus when you die.

Not something I would choose but than again I don't love the darkness as you do.LOL

[THADI0US]

@SuperTruthlover So you have nothing so you stoop to name calling and threats of eternal torture, wow you have reached new low, keep lying to yourself buddy, not something I would choose but THEN again i don't believe crazy things for which there is evidence to the contrary like you do. LOL

[SuperTruthlover]

@THADI0US

what name did I call you friendo

I never made a threat to you dumb ass. Now that's an insult. dogface is not a insult at all and i am sure you don't even know what it means.

Keep lying to yourself buddy. not somthing I would choose when the states are so high but THEN again I don't love the darkness more than the truth and I am not blind to the evidence for God as is most the world.

What evidence do you have to proof your right oh that's right nothing.LOL later fool

[SuperTruthlover]

@trixxxy100

Go to any book store and you will see a copy of the book of Genesis which was written by Moses. I do love your book of Ruth. Did you know the story was not about Ruth and God never says anything to anybody in the story? Do you know who the main charactor in the story it is? Thanks

[SuperTruthlover]

@trixxxy100

Thank you

I don't really know why you think it is BRILLANT to be able to count.

Maybe you did not do well in math.LOL

[SuperTruthlover]

@trixxxy100

Hitler felt the same as you killing all those with faith in God.

[SuperTruthlover]

@Demonyk1

I have asked you to provide your best contradiction and you failed to provide even one. The bible uses the word fool in serveral ways just as love is used many ways. To use a word in different ways is not a contradiction. Why are atheist the most blind narrow minded people on the earth?

[SuperTruthlover]

@Demonyk1

You don't seem to know what the word contradiction really means

Two things that cannot both happen like someone saying it is night and another person says it was the daytime. You don't believe the flood happened? That's not a contradiction either. You imagine Moses crossed the Reid sea but that just your opinion as you have no proof. Paul did not write about the crucifiction so again you are talking out of your ass about that too. none of your examples show the bible contra. itself

[clayden82]

@Demonyk1 The Bible is not fiction, it is documented historical fact!! It has been 100% authenticated historically, archaeologically, geographically scientifically and mathematically. There is not one date, event or historical person that hasn't been proven. People who are desperate for the Bible to be wrong will always just say it's wrong, without any real knowledge. I am a historian and a theologian and highly qualified in mathematics and science. I can 100% guarantee you the Bible is correct.

[er876897]

@clayden82 If you are highly qualified in math, then you would know that pi is not equal to 3, as the bible says. Those people can be proven to have lived and their words proven to have been spoken, but what they said can never be proven. There are many words that have been spoken regarding people being abducted by aliens, but that in no way proves they were. If you believe that nonsense then you must also believe in every UFO account every written??

[SuperTruthlover]

@er876897

The books of the bible are not science or math books and they certainly don't say Pi is equal to 3. We have evidence that almost every event occured just as the 66 books written by 40 authors say it happened. Not a single event has been proven false. You really don't know what you are talking about and are merely a narrow minded atheist zealot.

[er876897]

@Demonyk1 No, you see, the bible states that it is the word of God, and the word of God is always true, thus you can prove the bible is true since it says it is true. That is undeniable logic. Scientists call this circular logic and it is perfectly legit if you are trying to prove that a document is factual.

In case you have not realized by this point, my whole argument was a satire creationist logic. You obviously failed to catch my sarcasm.

[SuperTruthlover]

@er876897

The bible is not one book! it is 66 books written by 40 authors over a 1,600

year period. To look at one book to verify another book is done all the time with history to get the whole story. If someone said one of the books in the bibles is the word of God because it is included in the collection of books in the bible that would be circular reasoning.(get you terms right) when prophecy is fulfilled it verifies the book is true and someone must have told the writer

[SuperTruthlover]

@Demonyk1

You have a hate of God and those that would have faith in God. Do you really think that gives you the right to call young girls whores if they don't agree with you?

talk about being intolerant and vile. I hope you mother is happy with her women hating son. What a foul creature you have become. disgusting pig

[SuperTruthlover]

@Demonyk1

The bible contains 66 books written by 40 authors over a 1,600 year period.

Please name one fact or date that is wrong in any of the 66 books to choose from.

Just saying their are contradictions with ever showing even one is not how you prove your point. Wait you don't care about making good arguments to support your point. You just insult people calling their daughters whores and run away when someone calls you to account for your statement. You are just a slimy creep

[er876897]

@SuperTruthlover Are you serious?????? No contradictions????? I encourage you to simply search the internet, or youtube for contradictions. In fact, my favorite video that illustrates many contradictions is done by nonstampcollector, its called "Qiuz show (bible contradictions), the url is watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk for youtube.

If you are actually open minded then i strongly suggest you do some research yourself. I would like to hear your response to the video quiz show video.

[SuperTruthlover]

@er876897

What contradiction to you have yourself. Are you just blindly following Stampy?

You said you know of a contradiction and I asked for you best one.

You avoid my question by saying their are lots of them just ask any atheist or go to an atheist web site. Isn't that like asking a rapeist for a ride.LOL

[er876897]

@SuperTruthlover i never sent you to an athiest website, it was another video on youtube numbnuts. It is easier to send you there to see the passages so you can look them up for yourself, but nonetheless, here is one simple one;

Micah 7:18 "He does not retain His anger forever"

Jeremiah 17:4 "For you have kindled a fire in My anger which will burn forever"

That is a clear contradiction

And my favorite question, can man ever see god's face (according to the bible) and what are any consequences?

[er876897]

@SuperTruthlover And again, if you just watch the 10 minute long youtube video it lists a lot of contradictions, that i have actually looked up myself in my bible (except for old testament ones). However, if you refuse to watch the video then tell me and I will transcribe all of the contradictions to you on this page's comment section. I would rather not since I don't have much time

[er876897]

@SuperTruthlover here is the first one from that video.

Jeremiah 17:4 "For you have kindled a fire in My anger which will burn forever"

Micah 7:18 "He does not retain His anger forever, because He delights in unchanging love"

Bazingggggggggggg. How's that taste?

[SuperTruthlover]

@er876897

I don't know what your point is dude.

Jeremiah 17.4 is a prophcy about a generation of people that had rejected God.

Micah 7.18 is a prophcy about the Jewish nation that had lost their country do to reject God.

The generation was destroyed fulfilling the word of God and the Jewish nation was restored also fulfilling the word of God.

Don't reject God and do vile things and only your hot dogs will face any fire.

I hope I was helpful Peace out

[er876897]

There's more evidence out there that Tupac and Elvis are still alive than Jesus.

[er876897]

@Demonyk1 That is not true at all. You obviously don't understand science. First, you have to start with a outrageous story that you already believe is true and are unwilling to change your views regardless of any evidence. Then sift through the thousands of pieces of evidence and find a few that work for your story, and ignore and throw away the rest. It is perfectly okay to use the bible to prove the bible, i mean i have a bible right here in my hands so I know it's real!

Thats legit science.

[MsChrissy007]

The LORD is my Savior

May God bless you all with his holy spirt,

May he cover you with his love. Jesus DIED for all of us!! I dont want to offend anyone!

But please read the bible and pray, Let the lord show himself to you. I pray that everyone here may be touched by the holy spirt

God Bless

[Kiru26]

There is no evidence at all of the existence of Jesus. Josephus has been proven to have been plagiarized, not to mention he was born in AD 37, well after the supposed death. How can Jesus start a riot in the temple and never be mentioned, even by the many historians reporting about the many other messiahs of the time who all failed. Never is a riot mentioned. That would have been like a riot in our white house to them.

When will you Christians get that quoting an old book is not proof?

[clayden82]

I dont know where you heard that from dude but Jesus Christ is in 24633 historical manuscripts (not including the four from the Bible) Julius Caeser is only in 10 manuscripts, Do you dispute that he existed??? of course not!!!! Cos your not answerable to him are you. The existance of Christ is an accepted fact and anyone who would like to believe otherwise just doesn't want to be answerable to anyone.Jesus is in other religions too, so there is absolutely no doubt that He existed.

[Kiru26]

Point me in the direction of these manuscripts you are referring to. And please, when I say I'd like to see the manuscripts, I am not asking to be pointed to some religious website that has a load of BS claims. I mean I really want to see what you are talking about. And if you are talking about things written hundreds of years after the age, don't bother.

[Kiru26]

You still haven't responded. Maybe you should really think before you start speaking BS.

[er876897]

@clayden82 There are also 4,050,000 internet pages that say Elvis is still alive. Checkmate.

[designedsayer]

there's evidence of Jesus having lived in Roman Israel. you're just trying to rationalize yourself out of believing in Jesus.

[Kiru26]

There is evidence of Atlas holding up the entire planet. See how silly this sounds? What you just said is just as silly when you have no evidence to speak of. You people are always trying to say there is evidence of something, but when asked to present it you dance around the question.

Every single piece of what you consider evidence has been someone mentioning seeing Christians, not a single one saying they saw a Christ. If anything, this proves he was just a story.

[johndeweb]

You care about the ignorant Positron66!!!

[lizazoon]

johndeweb No I don`t, he seems intelligent but brainwashed from A to Z and not open for other ideas.

[positron66]

Only the Love of God in our heart gives strength to care for the ignorant souls. God bless you!

[positron66]

Many facts recorded in the Bible have been challenged with the same result, later archeology confirms the reliability of the biblical records down to the smallest detail. A respected Jewish archaeologist has claimed that, "It may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever controverted a biblical reference" (Shelly, p. 103). This is a strong statement for any archaeologist to make because if it were not true, he would quickly be condemned in his own field

[positron66]

The conclusion that one draws from this material is that the Bible is a reliable historical document. Its accuracy has been proved numerous times. Its historical inaccuracy has never been demonstrated. So that when we approach the Bible, we do so with a good amount of confidence that what it records actually happened. If this is true, then we need to come to terms about what the Bible claims.

[jonboy1028]

@positron66 prove it to be accurate then.

[SuperTruthlover]

@positron66

well said you make good points

Atheist like demonyk1 merely say there are contradiction and error without ever showing any facts to go with their comments. Those that love the darkness get mad at anyone with a flashlight. LOL

[lizazoon]

positron66

--- later archeology confirms the reliability of the biblical records down to the smallest detail--

This comment alone shows a lot of bias :

Tell me how, can archaeolgy prove th salavtion story ? It can prove the existance and location of towns etc. Tell me how archaeology proves that Jesus was god his birth,, his miracles, hie death, his resurrrection, This is pure nonsense,

[positron66]

"archeology confirms the reliability of the biblical records down to the smallest detail"

Can you read reliability of Biblical records and not the divinity of Jesus???

[HermitintheRain]

@lizazoon where archeology has time and time again to prove the accuracy of the historical record(s) found in the Bible, including the accuracy of the human authors which recorded the various parts; where the integrity of such historical accounts is proven true, gives the Bible the credibility in itself to attest of those things which archeology-by itself-can prove. that external proof of its reliability, gives cause to give strong reason to rely on the internal testimony provided by it-of Jesus

[HermitintheRain]

@lizazoon in a legal understanding, where a given witness, after being scrutinized, has been found to be a reliable, even an expert witness; what that witness has to testify after this has been established gives greater weight to his testimony. The Bible, which has endured unrestrained scrutiny for centuries, has only proven its reliability. As such its own testimony of itself, of the world, of God, of anything upon which it touches has every credible reason to be heard with a trusting ear.

[HermitintheRain]

@lizazoon archeology itself doesn't really prove anything about anything. without the aid of some kind of context by which to interpret what archeology discovers, it would have not means to make or draw any conclusions upon that discovery. therefore the fields of anthropology (in all its forms-linguistic, cultural, historical, etc) must contribute to the field of archeology if any sense or value is to be derived from what archeology discovers.

[HermitintheRain]

@lizazoon in trying to keep this short: archeology, or any other field of inquiry into the reliability and truth of the Bible, (as powerful as the evidence may be in whatever given field), will fall short of providing the absolute verification of its truth. the Bible itself makes this clear, where the weight of that proof, rests completely on the Author of it. What becomes the issue is not the reliability of it, but one's faith in it. A faith which cannot be produced by man.

[HermitintheRain]

@lizazoon man cannot by intellect come to establish faith in it. nor can man by some existential experience, or by the performance of some religous rite, arrive at the faith that will enlighten. It is a faith that must come by God to man. Logic won't create this faith. Strength of will won't produce this faith. As point of example that i hope will better illustrate this: take the 11 disciples who walked with Jesus during his earthly ministry.

[HermitintheRain]

@lizazoon at the end of Luke we see an interesting reality. They still didn't understand what they were witnessing until as is recorded: Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, (Luke 24:45). Even still, with that opening that was provided by the Son of God himself, they would still be lacking full understanding, and the power of that understanding, until the third person of the Trinity-the Holy Spirit-would come upon them at the Day of Pentecost.

[HermitintheRain]

@HermitintheRain this was prefaced in many places in the OT, was made clear by Jesus himself as he spoke to his disciples just before being arrested (John 16:7-14). It is then further explained by Paul when he wrote to those at Corinth (1 Corinthians 1:17-2:16 as the context with focus, for this conversation pointed to 2:10-14).

[Kiru26]

"It may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever controverted a biblical reference"

This is extremely wrong. You believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old, am I right? This belief comes from the Bible, right? Are you aware that recently they discovered many fossilized footprints in Mexico that date back 40,000 years? In the middle east it goes much further back. And that is only human existence on the planet.

[positron66]

The Jewish historian Josephus,writing for the Roman government in the 70's A.D. records some incidental things regarding Christ and the church. He confirms that John the Baptist died at the hand of Herod (this same incident is recorded in the gospels) as well as the death of, "The brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James. . . he delivered them to be stoned" (Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, Book XVIII, ch. V, p. 20; Book XX, ch. IX, p. 140 )

[positron66]

Again we have sources external to the Bible that demonstrate the historical reliability of the text. Josephus, who was probably alive during the time of Christ, is attesting to the reality of his existence. What this also tells us is that within 40 years of Christ's death, the knowledge of who he was was widespread enough that Josephus could reference him and expect his readers to know exactly who he was talking about.

[Kiru26]

"The Jewish historian Josephus,writing for the Roman government in the 70's A.D."

It's been proven that Josephus was plagiarized. Not to mention that 70 years after the "death" would be an easy time to tell people whatever you want and start cults. Just look at what happens today.

[positron66]

Historical Evidence Outside of the Bible

Often people are uncertain about the existence of Christ, but few scholars would disagree that a man named Jesus lived roughly between 2 BC and about 33 AD. History documents that this man was not a myth but a real person and the historical evidence for this is excellent. For instance, the Roman historian Tacitus, writing in about 115 A.D., records the events surrounding Emperor Nero in July of A.D. 64. After the fire that destroyed much of Rome.

[positron66]

Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus [Christ], from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate, and a most mischievous superstition [Christ's resurrection] thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, ...

[positron66]

Gilbert West and Lord Lyttleton, two Oxford students, believed Christianity was a "tale gone mad" and they determined to refute the Christian faith. Lyttleton resolved to disprove the conversion of Saul of Tarsus, and West would refute the resurrection of Jesus Christ. They figured a careful, rational, examination of the evidence would easily disprove the Christian faith.

[positron66]

But after examining the evidence — they both separately came to the opposite conclusion! Lyttleton concluded that Saul of Tarsus did, in fact, convert to the Apostle Paul through Jesus Christ. And Gilbert West concluded that the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was among the best established facts in all of history! West went on to write a book entitled, "Observations on the History and Evidences of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ".

[positron66]

THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST!

One theory suggests the apostles fabricated the resurrection. Two major problems: One, If the body of Jesus Christ was available, you'd better believe, the Roman authorities would have paraded His body for all to see. Christianity was spreading like a wild fire! And nothing could have quenched that flame quicker than the body of Jesus Christ!

[positron66]

THESE 11 MEN WERE EYEWITNESSES! They were there!

"Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were EYEWITNESSES. . ." Luke 1:2

"That which was from the beginning, which we have HEARD, which we have SEEN WITH OUR EYES, which we have LOOKED UPON, and our HANDS HAVE HANDLED. . ." 1 John 1:1

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were EYEWITNESSES of his majesty." 2 Peter 1:16

[positron66]

Dr. Greenleaf wrote a book entitled, An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice. In which he emphatically stated:

"it was IMPOSSIBLE that the apostles could have persisted in affirming the truths they had narrated, had not JESUS CHRIST ACTUALLY RISEN FROM THE DEAD, . . ."

(Simon Greenleaf, An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice, p.29).

[lizazoon]

There is no secular evidence for the resurrection. Biblical yes, secular no.

[positron66]

Secular one can be ignored but the existence of the Church is the best proof of the resurrection truth of the Lord Jesus Christ.

[lizazoon]

positron66--Secular one can be ignored --

Yes it can be ignored by believers, not by people who use reason to find the truth.

[positron66]

In a court of law, admissible testimony is considered truthful unless impeached or otherwise rendered doubtful. This is in accord with ordinary life, where only the paranoic goes about with the bias that everyone is lying. ... The burden, then, is on those who would show that the New Testament testimony to Jesus is not worthy of belief. Let us place the Gospel testimony to Jesus under the legal microscope to see if its reliability can be impeached.

[positron66]

Legal principle known as "ancient documents" rule.

Simon Greenleaf (1783-1853) who among his many achievements and credentials served as Royall and Dane Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, and became recognized as the foremost North American authority on common law evidence, and which The Dictionary of American Biography says produced "the greatest single authority on evidence in the entire literature of legal procedure," applied this principle to the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John)

[er876897]

@positron66 That is how things work in the court room, yes. But science works in the opposite manner. When your gospel makes exceptional, otherwise never observed magical claims, then it becomes subject to the realm of science.

Just because the Egyptians drew pictures of aliens and spaceships does NOT prove truth.

If we found a book from 2000 years ago, even 20 years ago, that said hundreds of witnesses that saw a man fly, we would still not count that as evidence that the man flew. Think!

[positron66]

Simon Greenleaf notes in The Testimony of the Evangelists the accepted rule of evidence relative to ancient documents, the "ancient documents" rule: "Every document, apparently ancient, coming from the proper repository or custody, and bearing on its face no evident marks of forgery, the law presumes to be genuine, and devolves on the opposing party the burden of proving it to be otherwise."

[positron66]

The burden of showing them to be false and unworthy of credit, is devolved on the party who makes that objection. The presumption of the law is the judgment of charity. It presumes that every man is innocent until he is proved guilty; that everything has been done fairly and legally, until it is proved to have been otherwise; and that every document, found in its proper repository, and not bearing marks of forgery, is genuine.

[positron66]

There were 3,000 Believers baptized in the name of Lord Jesus on the first day of the Church formation in Jerusalem.

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

[positron66]

Acts 2:23 Him (Jesus), being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

Acts 2:24 (Jesus) Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

[positron66]

Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.