Howard Zinn On Bill Clinton

[Pervyable]

And Bakunin was a pretty fierce anti-theist who rejected all gods and religions as inherently authoritarian. Have you ever read his work "God and the State"?

[Pervyable]

@surkhalam

Its speaking of the revolutionaries who desired to change the existing structure in society, and fought to do so. Also, I think you have to keep in mind that this is the nineteenth century we're talking about here. Most people wrote in this type of flowery language whether they were religious or not.

[Pervyable]

@surkhalam

I think you're just seeing eloquently written phrases for rather simple concepts. The "passion of destruction is a creative passion also "means that the urge to destroy the status quo is also an urge to replace it with something else. Its refuting the commonly held belief that anarchists just want to destroy things and create chaos. The last part to my eyes is talking about the "spirit" of dissent that always exists in society and seeks to change it for the better.

[Pervyable]

@surkhalam

Well the petty bourgeois stuff I've definetly heard before when people attack social anarchists, however I haven't ever heard them accused of using "quasi religious" phrasing. Most social (and market anarchists for that matter) I know are atheists or anti-theists, and anarchism itself definetly doesn't lend easily to religious belief... so I don't know exactly where you're getting that from. What exactly do you mean?

[Pervyable]

@surkhalam

Also yes Tucker was after Proudhon and was influenced alot by his ideas on mutualism. I was only trying to show that one didn't have to use Proudhon neccessarily if you wanted to be a mutualist there were others like Tucker and Josiah Warren who you could draw ideas from.

[Pervyable]

@surkhalam

Yes alot of people had issues with the Jewish people back then and even today but that says absolutely nothing about the merit of their actual ideas so long as none of those ideas that have to do with anarchism are based in any sort of racism. Bakunin and Proudhon were men of their time thats true, and in alot of ways they couldn't over come that, however that doesn't mean their ideas on other completely unrelated topics are tainted by that failing.

[Pervyable]

@surkhalam

Sorry but you're just talking out your ass here. Proudhon was very racist yes but nothing in his ideas(which are called mutualism btw)require or even imply that society be organized in such a way. Proudhon was just a man and its not his character thats important anyways as far as the ideas of libertarian socialism are concerned. One could just as easily pick another libertarian philosopher such as Baukunin(anarcho-commie) or Benjamin Tucker if you wanted to go the mutualist route.

[brklynsown]

Zinn is an old bitter homo

[chinopisces]

@brklynsown: And you're a simple-minded fool. Go back to watching Jersey Shore, idiot.

[andrewsanders1984]

@brklynsown He may be old (dead actually), bitter, but he is not a homosexual.

[andyx1205]

Bill Clinton was a bright young man, from a poor family, who worked hard and received a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford.

But like all bright young leaders, politics corrupts everyone. Everyone. His sanctions on Iraq resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of iraqs (highest estimates a million+, lowest 100 000+).

LBJ was great in that he lead the fight to pass the Civil Rights Act. But he also escalated Vietnam.

All of these Presidents..have little or no power. Sad. Very sad.

[thotheros]

I think Yugoslavia as well shows Clintons ideals to be right in line with the Military Industrial boys.

Obama's not doing any better. They all toe the line. Puppets of Corporate and World banks owned privately.

Money talks. Humans walk.(the plank)

[AnarchyIsForMe]

Why the hell do Libertarian Socialists use the word liberal as if they were a positive thing? I don't understand this, modern liberalism and its classical liberal counterparts are contrary to (classical)libertarianism. Only Radical Lassiez Fair (AnCaps) come close to libertarian socialism, other than that, Libertarian Socialism is supposed to surpass liberalism.

[solarenergynow08]

Thanks for posting this video...it's not from "You can't be neutral.." it might be from the Corporation....

"The power of a bold idea uttered publicly in defiance of dominant opinion cannot be easily measured. Those special people who speak out in such a way as to shake up not only the self-assurance of their enemies, but the complacency of their friends, are precious catalysts for change"

[GodDamLiberal]

gloryoski - this is all I have. If you'd like to know more about Howard Zinn's opinion of Clinton he has a chapter about him in his book " A People's History of the United States".

[gloryoski]

Is this from the movie (been a while since I've seen) or another source? If 2, can you please post more?

Thanks for posting!