RNC DISPATCH #2

[WHAWHA06]

I will watch the mutherfuckers like you act a fool in the end of world. Muthafucken Foamer

[WHAWHA06]

gay

[ryangi5]

Some people will believe anything, so long as it's what their itching ears want to hear. You guys are nuts and don't know what you are talking about. On another note, why is it the extreme left are the most vulgar?

[god0fmusic]

and why will the profit motive always be there? what else do you want to buy in a society where you are un-alienated and live a happy life. the conditions created during the anarchist version of dictatorship of the proletariat will make people have an expanded ego, which will arise from necessity. an expanded ego means that the ego is more than just your body and your money, its also your society.

different conditions create different reactions. its all mathematics.

[Puzzoozoo]

Profit is what drives invention and innovention to the beterment of human kind, and the desire to better yourself and for some to rise above the common herd, the computer you are using was the creation of capitalism, the web was created in the capitalist west, as was youtube. The rest is tosh, and maxists tosh at that. You have been watching the movie 'Reds' to many times.

[god0fmusic]

then how do you explain the fact that a great deal of people go help out others because of their religion? do they want profit? i know most churches are there to coerce and for profit, but there are some that dont, and there are many practitioners that help others for the benefit of mankind, this goes for religions other than christianity. this same thing has fomented ideological and technological advances.

ideologies are the core of human activity.

[Puzzoozoo]

We are not discussing charity, but the economy and corporate capitailsm.

[god0fmusic]

and how do you explain the fact that there are people like marxists and anarchists? the fact that we exist strikes the very core of your belief and makes your claim incoherent with the facts. most of us are more than willing to contribute to technological evolution for NO PROFIT, simply for the pleasure fo seeing humanity evolve. maybe we are a new kind of people with a different vision of the ego?

maybe it is that economic self gain is only one small piece of history.

[Puzzoozoo]

Economic self gain has run through human history ever since humanity developed commerce. You 'marxists and anarchists' are just a totally inefficient & disgruntled tiny minority of a nation, you are just a tiny little group who will never ever be in any position of power and influence to change anything, and you don't have the slightest idea how to get into power to change things. As was said by another poster those people in the video are just western kids playing at being revolutionaries.

[mattzdope]

You people (the protesters) are a bunch of tards. You go and trash both public and private property, toss bicycles in front of moving vehicles, block intersections, and attack delegates. Then you have the audacity to cry police brutality. LOL. If you're going to go about a protest in this manner don't cry like a bunch of little school girls when you get arrested. Did somebody call a WAAAAAMMMBULLLLANNNCEEEEE? ha ha ha.

[IrishDroog]

Look, regardless of what the protesters do the police still have a code of conduct they are supposed to uphold. I could go up to a cop and spit in his face and he would still have to adhere to proper police procedure, he couldn't just beat me to the ground. The fact is however, the police more often than not don't follow that code and thanks to morons like you who blindly believe the police can do no wrong, they can get away with it time and time again.

[uberjim83]

Protests: not illegal.

Going and trashing public/private property: illegal but not possible to do while in your own house, where these people were.

Stopping traffic, attacking delegates: not illegal OR possible to do inside your own house.

Oddly, searching one's property without a warrant and police brutality are both illegal. Does it take audacity to accuse a criminal of a crime?

[uberjim83]

Ooops, I listed "attacking delegates" as not illegal. My mistake!

[Puzzoozoo]

And what did they achieve in the week of protests, besides a reportt on the local TV and probably a few lines and a couple of photographs in the newspaper(s)?

[uberjim83]

They made their views known. What did you think they were trying to accomplish?

[Puzzoozoo]

A 'revolution/rebellion' usually trys to replace the government with the themselves. As for making 'their views know' wow, and what effect did it have on the government of America? Answer zero.

[god0fmusic]

so would you rather have us sit on our asses watching tv and go shopping online?

fuck that, we are going to do what it takes to rule our own land. this is going to create a whole chain of events, and thats why the govt is afraid. thats why they oppress us.

[Puzzoozoo]

The US gov might be 'afriad' but it isn't of you or the protestors in those videos. And a few street protests isn't going to 'create' anything. The alternative to the ballot box is the bomb and the bullet. The choice is yours.

[god0fmusic]

so you say that instead we should get out there with guns and start a real revolution?

i think we should get guns, but for the most part, i think we should destroy corporate property all over the country.

its a lot of things that stir a revolution, and they add up. its the things we spread through the internet, the protests, the way we act in out community, etc., and im going to do what i can. everyone needs to do what they can, even if it seems small.

[Puzzoozoo]

If you want to really change the government and the established order then yes. But before you 'lock and load' you should have something to replace what you want to over throw, and convince the population that your alternative is better then the one being violently overthrown. As for 'destroy corporate property' oh please, most of those kids in that protest are probably wearing clothes either genuine or counterfeited bearing the company logos you want to abolish, and the net is hardly the ppl.

[god0fmusic]

most of the kids in these protests are probably boycotting corporations in whatever way they can, at least i am.

i have nothing to replace the government with, except anarchism, which is how it should be. experimentation is the key.

[Puzzoozoo]

If they are wearing an item of clothing or footware either genuine or counterfeited bearing the company logo they are not boycotting the corporation(s). Anarchism is a pipedream. And where is this experiment going to take place, as it won't be in America or western Europe, or China or russia, or South America or ...?

[god0fmusic]

well, wearing a plain black shirt that costs $1 compared to wearing a shirt which is made in china and costs $30 is a huge step forward.

it will take place in mexico, and maybe argentina first. then it will take place in the US and to some extenct in europe.

[Puzzoozoo]

True, but what is written on the 'black t-shirt' label as to who made it as in its logo? Even if it is not a big multinational it is still a company that you want to destroy. Which is why your argument is silly. As in your countries where the party will kick off, it won't kick off anywhere because what you are proposing will never happen as anarchism doesn't take human nature into consideration.

[god0fmusic]

minstream politics focuses on lesser evil over greater evil. anarchism focuses on eliminating as much evil as possible and making as much good as possible. you wouldnt be able to remove markets right away, but you can create a society where capitalism is virtually absent.

your argument is like saying we should support Nazism because you will never be able to get rid of every existing Nazi.

[Puzzoozoo]

Nope, 'mainstream politics' is now more style over substance. And capitalism will never ever be eliminated.  The profit motive will always be there, and what you are proposing is a communist type society, where everyone is supposed to be equal, but in reality communists societies are more hierarchical then capitalist societys. Plus nazism is another form of socialism. And I have been to socialist countries and their societry is a grim place, and not one I would want to live in.

[god0fmusic]

why are communist societies more hierarchical? dont be stupid, i clearly stated im an anarchist.

i enjoy living here in spain a lot more that i have enjoyed america. people are not so alienated as in america, and no one wastes all of their money shopping for shit. theres a lot of people whoa re very smart, and people are a lot more politically aware (almost everyone in my class is ether marxist or disaproves of the current government because it's corrupt).

[Puzzoozoo]

The communist party structure has a ruling hierarcical order. You are espousing communist ideals for society. Your marxist frinds are equally naive. I suspect they are all mostly the same age as you. BTW ALL governments are currupt, the only difference is the level and degree of curruption. Power currupts.

[god0fmusic]

"The communist party structure has a ruling hierarcical order. You are espousing communist ideals for society. Your marxist frinds are equally naive. I suspect they are all mostly the same age as you. BTW ALL governments are currupt, the only difference is the level and degree of curruption. Power currupts."

some marxists are no different than anarchists

[Puzzoozoo]

Yep, both are equally naive when it comes to their vision of the world.

[god0fmusic]

"Yep, both are equally naive when it comes to their vision of the world."

that was really off topic dude, dont distort the meaning of what i say, because the purpose of arguing is to come to conclusions, and if you fuck arround that isnt gonna happen.

some are simmilar because they both have libertarian views, have simmilar lifestyles, and have radical green tendencies.

[Puzzoozoo]

Nope its bang on topic, you have a anarchist 'vision' of the world, and I am just giving uyou a dose of reality. For what ever you want to happen isn't going to, ever, so if I were you I'd forget it meet a girl get married rise a family and live a normal life, otherwise you're going to waste your life on a dream they will never happen.

[god0fmusic]

"...so if I were you I'd forget it meet a girl get married rise a family and live a normal life..."

lol, im a buddhist, thats against my religion... i dont forget things because that´s losing touch with reality. you have to observe all ideas within the mind as they arise in order to be emotionally stable. you have to live your life to the fullest in order for your karma to be good so you'll be happy in your next life.

[uberjim83]

Holy crap, me too! High five!

[god0fmusic]

you're buddhist? thats awesome.

[Puzzoozoo]

Contemplating your navel won't ever make the changes you dream of. And there is no 'next life' you have one, and then that's it. The End.

[god0fmusic]

well, phisically speaking, there is no defined boundary between life and death. death is actually quite simmilar to sleeping, except more radical. the same matter which made up your dead brain will come together at some point in time and create another brain.

you are constantly dying and being reborn, in fact, thats the nature of consciousness; a chain of images in which each image seems to be a continuation of the next.

[Puzzoozoo]

Nonsense, followed by more nonsense.

[god0fmusic]

care to explain? at least you could use the socratic method, it would make debating a lot more efficient.

[Puzzoozoo]

You are born, you grow up, you become sexually mature, you procreate with a woman, you rise you childern till they are able to go off on there own, you and the mother of your children grow old and you then die.

[god0fmusic]

and then the matter which is your body rots, other types of energy are transfered into the atmosphere (electrical energy and other energies which weigh 7 pounds overall but i dont know what they are), and then come together to form another being. maybe you are confused as to where the "you" ceases to be "you", well, i dont see a boundary to that.

[Puzzoozoo]

'Maybe you are confused' about human reporductive biology.

[god0fmusic]

human reproductive biology is a rearrangement of matter. rearrangements of matter are what happen withing us, and what creates "life and death". they are what create consciousness in itself, so death = consciousness.

after all what is consciousness? isnt it what makes it up? isnt it a tangible, phisical object?

[Puzzoozoo]

I guess deoxyribonucleic acid doesn't count then. Consciousness is what usually happens when we are awake, and no it isn't.

[god0fmusic]

consciousness is the same as wakefulness. you are more awake the more consciousness you have.

[Puzzoozoo]

Well you woundn't be awake if you were a sleep.

[god0fmusic]

but a being would wake up afterwards with the memory of what happened to the sleeping being before it went to sleep. these past beings would later be interpreted as "i"

[Puzzoozoo]

You might, I usually have more or less forgotten what happened yesterday when I wake up. It's gone its in your rear view mirror, and continues to fade till only certain aspects of yesterday are remembered.

[god0fmusic]

yea, but the general image is still there. thats the same principle that applies to remembering past lives, except i have no clue how the information is transfered exactly.

[uberjim83]

IMHO, "how" it happens is less relevant than whether it happens. There are case studies that indicate the possibility, but are the results replicable?

[god0fmusic]

there doesnt need to be any studies proving reincarnation, its a fact. its a matter of comprehending consciousness, which you can observe easily if you have the attention and patience.

[god0fmusic]

it seems that being twice my age doesnt help much.

[Puzzoozoo]

At least I have a firm grip on reality, both real and political.

[uberjim83]

Your reality is lies and balderdash, and I am delighted to say I have no grasp of it whatsoever!

-Baron Munchausen

[Puzzoozoo]

Man usually avoids attributing cleverness to somebody else, unless it is an enemy. Albert Einstein

[uberjim83]

What is the mind made of?

Electromagnetic energy, flowing through your brain.

Can energy be created or destroyed?

[Puzzoozoo]

The mind is just the result of numerous chemical reactions between your neurons which in the process release electrons.

What is free will?

[uberjim83]

Free will is the apparent unpredictability of human behavior.

[Puzzoozoo]

Best tell the ModernMystic then that, as there was a big discussion on free will a few weeks back.

[uberjim83]

Those're all fun, but I don't think any particular stance on free will is provable. There's evidence for and against various kinds of determinism but I've never heard anything conclusive.

[Puzzoozoo]

Believe it or not as I don't care either way, but that was the conclusion that MM and the various comment posters arrived at.

[god0fmusic]

you give me a very hard time dude. who said everyone is supposed to be equal in a communist society? its only economic equality, meaning everyone gets what they need, this includes what they need to progress. you might say "well, if people get these things then they become lazy", well, if they become lazy, that means they have a need to make em not lazy, and government cant take care of this, only a community can, and this means the community cant be alienated.

[Puzzoozoo]

Sorry to think I'm giving you such a hard time. I am merely pointing out you you you are believing in a pipedream, with your vision of an anarchist society. But you are less then half my age, and I have a more mature view of human society. As for who said so Marx and Engle for two, that is the whole point of their cockeyed political vision. Human society has never been equal, and never will be, I've seen enough of it all over the world, and I'll take capitalism over socialism anyday.

[god0fmusic]

the thing that i am young makes me open minded, and willing to act upon society. you are more than half my age, but the human race is a hundred times older still. and behold! what is our planet in this universe? surely, there are so many possibilities for change. human consciousness is capable of changing any time, its a matter of mathematics. its a matter of there being enough ideological weight and consiousness to retain communism.

[Puzzoozoo]

The young are gullible, and open to the easy option that the tosh of communism/marxism/anarchism offers. Hint:ANY political solution that offers simple solutions to complex situation is not to be trusted. As for communism, it had its try and proved to be a total disaster for the countries involved. I've been to coomunist countries, and I've seen it in action.

[god0fmusic]

"ANY political solution that offers simple solutions to complex situation is not to be trusted." Libertarian municipalism is the most complex political ideology you will ever come across. its a form of anarchism which involves taking over currect institutions and replacing them whith libertarian communist institutions. it is by no means simple. everything is very planned.

[Puzzoozoo]

Then will you be taking over Volkswagen or Seat first?

[god0fmusic]

sociology is based on observations within our society, and on past history. if anarchism has not been experimented with, how can you say it is impossible? what is human nature? who said humans cant live without bosses? i certainly can, so what would prevent a majority from living this way?

there are unlimited ways in which society could be organized with relatively little hierarchy. one of these is bound to work.

[Puzzoozoo]

Bollocks, sociology is based on the foolish premisis that we can all be one big happy family if we were all equal. Its impossible because it goes against the human grain, as human nature is to group together for mutual protection, and as we are all differnt, then a group will have someone who becomes the head of the group through intellegence or personnality or both. Human society from a small tribe to a nation state has always had and always will have men and/or women at the top.

[god0fmusic]

sociology is the study of human behavious within a community, nothing more. its observations and theories formed from observations. its foolish to asume that the force which creates hierarchy will dominate. there are many forces at work, a lot of ideological forces especially, which shape our unconscious behaviour. a groups of mormons acts different than a group of catholics or than a group of atheists. some of them are more compassionate, some less, all depending on ideology.

[Puzzoozoo]

The only force is human naure, and in group some of the groupo will always become head and leader of the group. All the rest is padding. If you had a bunch of people stranded, someone in the group would take charge, as I said to deny that is to deny human nature.

[god0fmusic]

"The only force is human naure..."

and who are you to say what human nature is? isnt EVERYTHING humans have inherited a process of natural selection?

"If you had a bunch of people stranded, someone in the group would take charge"

the fact that there exists groups of people who watch carefully over authorities (anarchist groups) proves your ideology wrong. obviously, "human nature" isnt the only force at play.

your theory is proven wrong by the existence of anarchist institutions.

[god0fmusic]

"If you had a bunch of people stranded, someone in the group would take charge"

natural selection. that might have been useful in primitive times, but now that people have needs other than just food, shelter and clothing, things are different. people have spiritual needs now which have arisen from capitalism, and this leader ideology does not function, therefore it has to change, and the groups of people who dont addopt it will die.

natural selection

[Puzzoozoo]

Human nature doesn't change, maybe when you are a little older you'll realise it.

[god0fmusic]

"Human nature doesn't change, maybe when you are a little older you'll realise it."

"Glad you think it is funny. I assume you have someone in the US presidential election campaign running on anarchy ticket?"

well, thanks for following the socratic method of argument to achieve a more ample mindset and come to a coherent conclusion with your fellow human being.

[Puzzoozoo]

Just telling you like it really is.

[god0fmusic]

"you are just a tiny little group who will never ever be in any position of power and influence to change anything, and you don't have the slightest idea how to get into power to change things."

lolz!!!

[Puzzoozoo]

Glad you think it is funny. I assume you have someone in the US presidential election campaign running on anarchy ticket?

[annarboriter]

They can take my thumbdrive when they pry it out of my cold dead fingers!

[PILGARLIC42]

Im tryin to be funny, and they fuckin post this....lmao....The world is near, grab all you fuckin can and lets head to the next one..

[maywalker1029]

motherf*&k is not a adjective that needs to be used

[TheUnderdocker]

The part about Minnesota cops being nice isn't necessarily true. Mpls pd has a very terrible reputation nation wide for being heavily corrupted.

[endemicgoogle]

Police do what they are told, please don't blame them. Republican/Democrat leaders do what they are told, please don't blame them. Blame the man behind the curtain, the .01% who controls 99.9%. With that being said, there 'aint nothing you can do about, so try and enjoy the rest of your life.

[laxadiasy31]

true!!!!! Bilderburg group....Obama will win...because they want him to "put a new face on the global empire"....still voting for him tho....as long as there is TV and internet to brainwash us we wont do anything....but without it we wouldn't know much about what is going on anyway! true FUCKERY? I dont even know a word to explain it!!!!.....

[samagee1]

Illiteracy and lazy come to mind.

[losplatosdemaria]

I heard a comedian on the radio during the Katrina FEMA disaster who pointed out the media's consistent choice of terminology: White people were out "foraging for food." Black people were out "looting." Hmmmm.

[uberjim83]

This is BULLSHIT! Someone's got to put a stop to this! I'm glad there's someone here who can see that journalists are on our side.

I'm kinda happy they evacuated BEFORE Gustav showed up this time. Much better than waiting until half of them drowned. Doesn't mean they deserve to go to jail though.

Foraging isn't illegal!  Looting is victimless, why kill for it?

[Puzzoozoo]

What if your house was looted?

[uberjim83]

Oh no, all my food would get eaten instead of rotting by itself!

If I want to keep something, I'll take it with me instead of abandoning it. And at any rate, even if I was at home and someone stole my valuables, it would warrant jail time, not the death penalty.

[Puzzoozoo]

Canned food as at the least a 2 to 3 year shelf life. LOL at your last comment.

[uberjim83]

I don't eat much canned food though. Most of my food would be ruined after a day or two of the refrigerator being turned off.

[Puzzoozoo]

Now's a good time to start getting used to it then, as well as freeze dried camper food, and camping food bars. Unless you like going hungry that is.

[uberjim83]

What doom are you predicting?

[Puzzoozoo]

1, Wall street will crash. Not just me saying it, I have seen dozens of youtube videos, with people a lot more sharper then me all saying the same thing.

2, The credit card bubble has yet to hit.

3, Dispite yesterdays nationalisation of Fanny & freddie the US housing bubble will get worse.

4, It'll all kick off anytime from October this year, according to the multiple youtube posters.

So the doom I am predicting is all the above which will complement Peak Oil around 2010 - 2011.

[uberjim83]

1: Already happened. More than once.

2: It doesn't have to, we're all already in crippling debt (at least those of us who can't keep up with our bills).

3: You seem to have an odd definition of economic "bubbles." The bubble is the part BEFORE it gets worse; it has already burst and is already on the decline.

Can you think of any reason why these economic problems would cause mass starvation?

[Puzzoozoo]

1, Not on this scale.

2, The crdit card bubble has not been taken into acount as yet, as most attention has focused on the housing bubble and the credit crunch draught.

3, It might have burst in America, but not in my country.

Yes, oil is the only reason we can curreently feed 6.5 billion people, oil requires money and credit to pay for it, no credit, no government money, financial chaos around the world = mass strvations. There have already been food riots around the world.

[uberjim83]

IMHO, once alternatives to fossil fuels hit the market (and the oil companies don't have enough clout to keep them off, like the electric car) the gas prices will go down because nobody will be buying gasoline anymore. People are too damn sick of putting up with their shit, and will only put up with it as long as they have to.

[Puzzoozoo]

You're confusing technology with energy. Manufactured hydrogen is not the same as non-renewable deposits of fossil fuels and will not yield either the portability or the horsepower equivalency of oil. As primary energy sources are depleted, there will be less real wealth to purchase more expensive replacements, even if we can find ways to burn those replacements more efficiently, and waving money at the problem will not cause geological and physical constraints to disappear.

[uberjim83]

It actually already has, and there are hydrogen-fueled cars in testing that have smaller, more powerful engines than the cars you and I drive.

[Puzzoozoo]

And where are the supplies of accessible hydrogen in the world to power these cars?

[uberjim83]

Hydrogen is already the most abundant element in the world (you may have heard of water). Also, since it is the simplest element, it is the easiest to produce through artificial means.

[Puzzoozoo]

I said accessible hydrogen, not hydrogen chemically bonded with other elements. And to get the hydrogen from water, you have to use energy.

[uberjim83]

Oh, I didn't realize you thought there was a difference. The amount of energy required to separate hydrogen from water is infinitesimal compared to the amount one gets from hydrogen. The "arguments" against hydrogen power are all equally applicable to gasoline. It takes energy and resources to refine into usable form, and is WAY rarer than hydrogen.

[Puzzoozoo]

Actually the energy you get from hydrogen is practically the same as you need to use to break the chemical bonds, and even if you could get more energy from the now liberated hydrogen, you'll never get enough to replace the 84 million barrels of oil used perday to maintain the current standard of living. Plus there is no single silver bullet for replacing the many uses of oil. And FWIW 97% of manufactured hydrogen comes from refining natural gas, a by product of the oil field reservoirs. :-)

[uberjim83]

1: Have a look at the manufacture and use of hydrogen bombs. If your statement was true, they would be inert.

2: Hydrogen is a lot more plentiful than oil, and since hydrogen fuel cells expel water as exhaust, it is renewable.

What solution do you think is feasible, if any?

[Puzzoozoo]

1, You really have no idea about physics do you.

2, Once again hydrogen is chemically bound up with other elements, and needs energy to free it. There are no free deposits of hydrogen anywhere on this planet.

There is no solution to replace oil and maintain our current standard of living.

[uberjim83]

1: Notice how I make clear, concise arguments, and you respond with vague insults? If you thought I was wrong, you'd have corrected me, so I think this constitutes a concession on your part.

2: Oil needs energy to process into usable fuel as well. This doesn't prevent it (or hydrogen) from being used as fuel. As for the lack of free deposits of hydrogen, two-thirds of our planet is covered in them.

[Puzzoozoo]

1, I'm giving you a dose of reality, as you are confusing technology with natural resorces. As you either do not know what you are talking about or you are ignorant of the fact hydrogen is not an energy source, but is an energy carrier. I suggest you learn some basic physics.

2, Energy required to refine light crude is a fraction of the energy you get from it. The energy used to seperate hydrogen from water is practically the same amount of energy you get from the hydrogen, i.e. a net loss.

[uberjim83]

Again, if there was a "basic physics" based reason that what I said was wrong, you would have said that. And again, if the energy required to separate hydrogen from water was the same as the amount you got from hydrogen, then hydrogen bombs would be inert. If you don't have anything to support your argument, then go talk about something else rather than resorting to random insults. You're only making yourself look intellectually dishonest.

[Puzzoozoo]

You are making yourself look an idiot with your bluster. I suggest you go and learn something about physics. As you are under the impression that hydrogen is an energy source. As for the h-bomb it is deuterium they use, NOT hydrogen.

[uberjim83]

Oh. My mistake, I had thought they split hydrogen atoms, interfering with the "strong nuclear force" resulting in a huge expulsion of energy. My assumption had been based on the fact that they were called hydrogen bombs, and I didn't think they'd name them that if they didn't use hydrogen in some important way.

[Puzzoozoo]

Kind of hard to 'split' a single proton, unless you had access to the Large Hydron Collider that is. :-)

[Puzzoozoo]

I strongly doubt we'll be running our current global economy on bio fuels, wind turbines, plastic from sugar cane, or some other technological fix while our primary energy source (on which the manufacture of the said technology depends) goes into decline.

[KenCat1337]

Share this with your whole contact list.

[DeraJa]

I love your work! Keep it up comrade!

[nbm34]

THESE ARE NOT FUCKING MuSLIM TERRORIST they are

AMERICANS.THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS GOING TO SHIT IN A HAND BASKET.

[ChaosThe2nd]

WARNING!!!

dear viewers: warning!!!

every comp has an ip address that can be tracked down... don't believe those who impose as somebody their not

mi6/cia/fbi/mosad/shabak etc...

[lordblazer]

ip adresses can be tracked down, but they can be renewed, and also they can be masked via proxies. I don't think you should worry because that aspect of the net has always been around. YOu can't pinpoint someone's exact location because of it. You can get city, and area etc etc. Your MAC address is a different story. Though that isn't transmitted. But ip addresses have always been used youtube servers have ip address lol.

[ChaosThe2nd]

thank you so much for the info

but how exactly could the p.d pin down the houses?

[smartguy5858]

I also grew up in the hood during the Reagan/Bush drug wars and crack epidemic. I know what it is like to live under a military occupation(Drug Police), have 5th amend. rights taken away (stop and frisk) and government orchestrated chemical warfare (Crack Cocaine). If a group of Black kids decided to occcupy and trash a police station in the hood, we would all be charged with felonies, or even killed. But these white brats, trash a FEDERAL facility, and all they get are citations.Disgusting

[losplatosdemaria]

Thanx stimulator! That vid was inspiring! I've been so frustrated about our march into total fascism and feeling a bit lost as to how to combat it. Keep up the good work!

[lordblazer]

I think it's just going to happen. There isn't much we can really do unless all americans took a stand. Without unity we are nothing. That's real truth, and we won't have that because we have Americans who will call unifying under a single goal collectivism, and will shun it for pure individualism even though societies exist to benefit individual humans, but individual humans must benefit society for them to receive such benefits themselves.

[Scoppertop]

LOL!! The police were surrounded! Hilarious!

[SirRic]

Welcome to the NWO! If you aren't part of the controlled MSM or doing their spin, You will be harassed and "detained" on bogus charges under the New Homeland Anti-terror, Constitutional destroying, laws that allow police and government to violate anyone's civil right. Wow, The power on 19 terrorist over the most powerful nation has come true. After 9/11 were swore we won't let the terrorist win...But now they have, even if you buy the "official" BS story!

[marissacalderon]

Stimulator is fucking awesome! Another great show!

[deirdrec1]

I'd better qualify that!! I do not encourage people to do anything I wouldn't do myself, whether out of fear, or respect for authority. So I don't encourage this reckless behaviour, OK??!!!

[deirdrec1]

This channel is gr8!! :)

[onlyonedeb2000]

Love this channel.

[66flamer]

hi. i love that you guys are doing this. great source for info. get creative, disconnect this bullshit. find creative non violent ways to disestablish the illusion....what do i mean? cop bikes dont work if.... fill it in yall hurt no one.  hurt no one. throw theater in their face. it works. im hoping for you st paul!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you for this effort. monkey wrench this scene!

[SilasWolfe]

What do Dick and George have to be afraid of?

Is it the threat of physical harm that is pretty much non-existent?

Maybe a jeer yelled from a person among the crowd that will either never get televised, or if it does, won't mean shit?

Step it up.

[DecentralizedTommy]

Yes, Dick and George have nothing to fear, no one has been able to stop them for 8 yrs plus. They can protest all they want, they have that right, or should have it. But the protester have no solution to anything, not an actual real viable solution. vote. o r g

Lets have a real democracy. The republic has failed.

[t0kt0k]

Amy Goodman kicks ass.

[medulalumosa]

She's fearless!-And one of the few journalists alive who would make Murrow proud.

[ldhablo666]

great job stimulator.

"Get your hands off her"-- unseen guy with elevated position on the cop and Amy Goodman

Well, what are you gonna do if he doesn't? How many times do I need to say this shit? These pigs will do whatever the fuck they want as long as they have guns and you don't.

AK-47's are around 350bux in your local gun shop. Wise investment.

READ: Pacifism as Pathology (Ward Churchill)

READ: Endgame (Derrick Jensen)

[ChaosThe2nd]

violence is not the answer!!!

watch?v=TgKEZXYQQOA

please stop, you're making thing worst

this kind of provocation is exactly what "they" want!

falastin is full of dead bodies.

[ldhablo666]

(Chaosthestupid)-- Uh, yeah the British crown "wanted" the colonists to use violence too, right? oh, shit-- but the Crown got the shit kicked out of them and lost the war. SNAP!

welcome to logic married to historical context, enjoy your stay

Lock & load pussy ass liberals

[ChaosThe2nd]

listen, i'm a "pali" (like u brits like to call us) from palestien i had my share of dead but u on the other hand come from a safe comfortable nice and safe inviormant how dare u

[ldhablo666]

(chaostheparanoid) you've missed my point. here in america (i'm not british) we had a violent revolution in 1776. so, your retarded logic that "they" WANT us to be violent just doesn't make sense historically. what "they" WANT is for us to continue marching around-- and eschew the kind of resistance our founders used.

you may want to consult history.

SEE: TOM PAINE...

[ChaosThe2nd]

now i understand, we had the same thing here; "YOU WORK FOR THEM" (you want things to escalate, cause if you where for real u wouldn't talk about it)

... why?

and i saw ur profile BRIT!!!

imposing as an american!!!

[ldhablo666]

(chaostodaretardedend) i don't "work" for anyone.

i am merely dismantling your pacifistic fallacies. and the first amendment allows me to do so. so i am not breaking any law by making the point that violent rebellion works, is ethical, and is HOW THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED... (godammit) try to engage me on the points i made ok?

lastly, if you saw my cache of weapons you would know i was no Brit. lol. here in the states we still have the right to keep and bear arms. i exercise that right.

[ldhablo666]

HEY Chaosfuckface--

is WARD Churchill or Derrick Jensen not "for real" cuz they talk about this shit too? Do you even know how to read or think?

[ChaosThe2nd]

1) your a brit! (lol)

2) you talk too much!

3) i'm waiting for u to come and enlighten me

4) y do have to use foul language?

5) ok so u don't work for them... ;)

6) may peace be upon u & i wish u all the best

[Puzzoozoo]

If you think they are going to accomplish anything by waving banners and marching you are deluded. 100,000 people with banners marching on city hall gets the police and government reps concerned. 100,000 people all with guns ammo and and intent on burning city hall to the ground gets the police and government reps scared.

[ChaosThe2nd]

i love the fact that all u guys woke up!!!

but the revolution can't be achieved in one day! it is a very long and yearning process.

u can do allot:

educate ur self and your surrounding about the truth (banners help...) try to spread the word out, shut the t.v OFF, don't buy "stuff"

help ur community ,volunteer, help the other

don't drive, what else; i can't tell u what to do really i'm a nobody (my friend ldhablo666 he's right).

*they always have bigger guns*

but i like the idea of burning...

[Puzzoozoo]

I have told everyone I know about the crash thats coming, I have been educating myself on this for well over 18 months, I don't watch much TV anymore, I help my elderly parents and two elderly neighbours, I only but stuff I need, and I only use the car when I need to go some where as its cheaper then using the bus. I too am a nobody. As for bigger guns, the Iraqi insurgents seem doing a good job kicking uncle sams soldiers butts with small arms and IED's, and I'll supply the match. ;-)

[samagee1]

Then maybe we need to start taking out those who supply the matches as well.

BTW, a police action is not a war. If we were still technicaly at war, we would be destroying anything that moved and didn't move. Why not look up the historic resistance accounts of the Germans after WWII?

[Puzzoozoo]

What about the people who make disposable lighters? Best not tell the troops on the front that. BTW if some one is taking shots at you and you hear bullets wizzing past yoyr ear, you don't think you are in a police action.

[samagee1]

It gets you shot and killed. We are not to the point were we need to use violence in order to make the government do what needs to be done. We just need to start going into the courts, and funding legal cases against capital hill when they violate our rights.

[Puzzoozoo]

Unless you shoot back and kill the guy shooting at you. I bet George Washington, Thonas Jefferson and the rest of the guys thought that as well.

[zantar2580]

samagee1, your comments disturb me and here is why. you are sitting there telling me to goto court to fight for my rights, well as you can plainly see the courts are the ones handing out the warrants. soooo i guess if you are falsely imprisoned then the court will set it straight and set you free? not if the police have told them your a terrorist. you will be shipped off never to be heard from again. please wake up and realize that this is nationwide.

[ChaosThe2nd]

Wise investment; camera!!!

[dnHooligan]

great vid

[ChaosThe2nd]

a need for a guide:

The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters....

the most important thing u should memorize is:

do not talk to them until u have a legal representation!!!!!!!

and i mean DO NOT TALK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wize11]

I hope there will be chaos.

[TexanCyclist]

The anal retentive pigs in control are determined to crush opposition.  Repression will only work in the short term. Resistance is fueled by their every aggression.

[wretchedSTONER]

genius vid. as usual.

[ChaosThe2nd]

i'm dead serious: be careful,i have a very bad feeling it's going to escalate (it's like they took a fu**ing crash course from the shabak)

next thing they'll start planting evidence!!!

where's the N.L.G???

[medulalumosa]

-That was my initial thought, I was really surprised that they didn't plant "evidence." I think they'll next try to agitate some people so that they'll get aggressive (enough to fist fight) and then they'll use that as an excuse for all out, no-holds-barred war on the protesters and probably the press too. To me that's the most scary and ominous thing, attacking the press...I mean *DAMN*!!

[marniespeaks]

check out blah blah blah theuptake dotorg

also check out Nagin's brother and his house scam

[CNN911Fakes]

george bush don't like people.

His daddy likes money.

[CNN911Fakes]

Totally well done and thanks.

[sleepingskies]

The pigs are controlling our actions. They don't want protesters to disrupt the system, but the system is corrupt and we need to resist. I hope the RNC protests make history and this leads us a step closer to accomplishing anarchy.

[Democrats08]

Fuck the New World Order