Arminians pray like Calvinists

[Risen1s]

@tgillspy1 your comment shows you dont understand the Bible or what Calvinists even believe

[razputin34]

@tgillspy1 How do interpret or define "The Gospel?" 

[razputin34]

@tgillspy1 I am not one to start throwing around statements about Calvinists preaching another Gospel. Why do you think they are preaching another Gospel? Most of the greatest missionaries were Calvinist. Help me understand why you would go as far as to say they are preaching another Gospel. I often talk with Calvinist thinkers because I am trying to understand how they arrive at all of their conclusions. Some of what they believe just doesn't make sense to me as I understand the Bible.

[razputin34]

I find this interesting. I would consider myself an open Theist and I disagree with your final point. Why does my prayer HAVE to be for God to turn anyone's heart to force them to believe in Him? The question is turned right back on you. The Calvinist believes that God has chosen individuals to be saved before the world was formed, so those who God draws WILL be saved. No need to pray for anyone to be saved...for they are already saved. Acts 16:14. God opened her heart so she could hear...

[HermitintheRain]

Consider Jesus the Redeemer. In that quality is revealed more than meets the eye. God redeems-pays the debt. A debt paid, cannot be required again from the one redeemed. If God redeemed every soul that lived, there would be none tossed into the lake of fire. That there is indicates that there are those to whom redemption is not extended. The law of redemption is that it is in the hand of the Redeemer to elect who he will redeem.

[HermitintheRain]

@HermitintheRain The Son of Man who became surety for his people before the foundation of the world, must secure the salvation of each and everyone of them. the loss of even one will mean eternal failure to fulfill that surety. If there is to be found in the lake of fire one soul that Jesus became surety for, it will make Jesus to be a failure. But the LORD says of his Servant: He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: Isaiah 42:4a

[HermitintheRain]

@HermitintheRain It must be remembered: it is not any of us who is saving anyone-not even ourselves. It is truly all the work of the Lord. That the Father has purposed-to make foolish the wisdom of this world-to save them through the preaching of the gospel is but according to his will. It is still by the regenerating work of the Spirit that a soul is saved through the power of the atoning blood of the Son. The real issue is-who is sovereign? God or man's will? Whose throne is above all thrones?

[MODERATECALVINISM]

Psalms 119:130:7

O Israel, put your hope in the LORD, for with the LORD is unfailing love and with him is full redemption.

[GIGiulia]

I think that both Arminius and Calvin were partially wrong and partially right. We are exhorted to "put on Christ" we are exhorted to "choose this day whom we will serve" (OT, yet shadow of NT), yet we were chosen.

[GIGiulia]

I think that both Calvin and Arminius were partially right and also partially wrong and that the truth lies in between the two. We are exhorted to "put on Christ" and to "repent" which is something we do from our own will. Yet we were chosen before the creation of the world which is His will. Adam chose to sin, he was not ordained to, the seven churches are exhorted to repent. Another verse which comes to mind which is an OT one is "choose ye this day whom you will serve", a shadow of the NT

[Vargsvideoblogs]

Amen

[CBALLEN]

Very good teaching! I used to hate hearing all the scripture that said God chose me,then the light went off and I realized IT'S ALL TRUE!

[IpsaPaphum]

Inherent in any sort of theism, whether Calvinist, Arminian or Non-Christian, is the problem of evil. If God is omnipotent, He is ultimately responsible for evil, whether it's the evil manifesting in the world in general or the evil of the depraved individual. But if God is all-good, then logically evil can only be apparent evil.

[IpsaPaphum]

'Free will' is not a way out of this problem, because a) we don't really understand what free will is b) if there's such a thing as free will, it still can't be something that is not in God's control, because everything is in Almighty God's control.

[dubvishun]

Calvy, Armin etc..as MOST churches WILLINGLY-ITCHINGLY taking a false defintion/meaning from an easy to understand 1611 never to see all of the contextual paragraph on thru the chapter to know the error.battling.refusing just "knowing calv..armin etc..is the truth read here, see this scripture..etc..& aware of the warnings of "todays Apostative Scene" yet refuse to look - kinda like an evolutionist--atheist type thing..rational these people r finally here now...just like the bible said..FREEKIE

[IpsaPaphum]

Go easy on the coke!

[Testallthings]

Arminians pray to the wrong god.

They are idolaters. You didn't mention this.

[bereansearch]

Arminian for 24 years as a false convert, and for 2 years as a true convert. But as I came to understand HOW to understand the scriptures by using EXEGESIS, HERMENUTICS, AND CONTEXT... it was unavoidable. It is uncomfortable, humanly speaking, to think that God makes me born again, not me convincing God to do it. That is more like quid pro quo.

The question is "Is He Sovreign? Or am I?"

[truthseekno9]

You made an excellent point in this video concerning Arminian prayer. It's funny, I was thinking about what you discussed on this vid today and then happened upon your video! I liked the quick foundation you presented at the begining, also. Great scripture references. Thanks for the vid.

Sola Fide!

[calvinismisacult]

Calvinism is a cult.

[Calvinist4Christ]

prove it!

[ihaveaverybadcold]

yeah prove it.....your claim and nothing but a clanging symbol

[KarensFaith]

Great video! Thanks!

[mothcorrupteth]

This idea that Arminians pray like Calvinists has often occurred to me, as well. Really, there's no point in praying for *anything* that God doesn't have control over. How can we even trust that God hears our prayers? St. Paul pretty clearly links prayer to Perseverance of the Saints in Rom. 8. If you can't believe that God's power overcomes your weaknesses in faith and godly living, then how can you believe that He overcomes your weaknesses in prayer?

[Glorthac]

Keep it up.

[jesuitinfiltrator]

lol, I think if most arminians saw your MONORGISM Tshirt, they wouldn't have a clue what it means anyways... one time an arminian baptist was rebuking me because they had never heard of the distinction between imputed and imparted righteousness.

[calvinistgirl]

lol... well, most arminians I talk to agree with most of the points of Tulip... have you ever heard of Marc Carpenter? His position is that if you're an arminian you cannot be saved because you believe a gospel that is not true. Interesting...

[jesuitinfiltrator]

Yes I am fully aware of who Marc Carpenter is at Outside the Camp website. He rebuked James White and James White rebuked him back saying he was a hyptercalvinist... I would be in a greement with carpenters position, NOT whites on that particular debate.

[jesuitinfiltrator]

lol most of the points??? ahhh the 5 points either stand or fall together, there is no such thing as a 4 pointer grace believer. Every TRUE believer before they are truly converted to Christ I believe is an arminian polytheist... so I would be in agreement with carpenter on that.

[masterowa]

I believed in arminian ideas after I became a christian. It was God's mercy that He sorted out my theology (still, I didn't know I was a Calvinist, I got the shape of my theology from Bible), but it did not change that much how I lived. My theology was wrong but it did not affected my evangelizing that much. I knew it is all by grace even if i thought we have free will. Why God changed my theology? Probably because I will be studying it and i needed my grounds to be strong and correct.

[masterowa]

I am standing here with Spurgeon. I know a lot of people with wrong theology but it does not affect their lives much. They live fully for God and they do believe in grace even if they recognize some things wrongly. Spurgeon said he absolutely admire Wesley but he hated his teaching. I guess Whitefield had similar feelings but it would be wrong to say he was not saved because he made mistakes and yet he lived godlier than some people with good theology.

[Oct31st1517]

Yep. We are all calvinists on our knees.

[calvinistgirl]

Amen Brother.

[jesuitinfiltrator]

Furthermore, ask yourself, if you had never ever heard of John Calvin, and Augustine and their sacramental system of grace, would that make TULIP any less true? Or would it affect your salvation in Christ. I say no. These arminian versus calvinist debates are a prime example of prejudice and tradition based on ignorance that satan is quite happy about I am certain. Paul in corinthians even warned about following sectarian names as in one follows apollos, one follow this man, etc etc.

[jesuitinfiltrator]

TULIP = thumbs up... John Calvin = thumbs down.

Im a TULIP and doctrines of grace man myself, but why do people continue to hold onto the name Calvinist when John Calvin taught COMMON GRACE.. is there anything COMMON ABOUT GRACE?? NOOOO... I will say though that God has mercy on the wicked as well as the righteous, but to call this COMMON GRACE is not only distorting the nature of grace but giving the wrong idea about Gods decree. Calvin brought the rags of rome out of rome, he was paedobaptist.

[calvinistgirl]

Good morning and God bless you. CH Spurgeon said it best.. "We only use the term "Calvinism" for shortness. That doctrine which is called "Calvinism" did not spring from Calvin; we believe that it sprang from the great founder of all truth. Perhaps Calvin himself derived it mainly from the writings of Augustine. Augustine obtained his views, through the Spirit of God, from the diligent study of writings of Paul, and Paul received them of the Holy Ghost, from Jesus Christ...CH Spurgeon

[jesuitinfiltrator]

And Charles Spurgeon also invited the GREAT arminian Dwight L. Moody as a geust preacher to preach in HIS pulpit. So not everything spurgeon said and did was kosher let alone worth following. He was a big cigar smoker also, should we tell believers thats okay too? For spurgeon to say such is complete ignorance on his part. Calvinism most indeed did spring from JOHN CALVIN, calvinism is augustinianism with a refined sacramental polish on it. Christians do not need sacramental rags from rome.

[calvinistgirl]

The term calvinism depicts a system which I believe is the truest exposition of the bible. Most of the time I do indeed say that I'm a sovereign grace person (or reformed). Besides there is some baggage when one calls themselves a calvinist (people think hyper-calvinist etc). Thank you for your comment, you're right, most calvinists today do not believe in paedobaptism for certain... I'll have to do some praying and reading on the common grace issue. God Bless.

[jesuitinfiltrator]

Every presbyterian and dutch reformed calvinist church I have gone into MOST certainly does practise the filthy PAEDOBAPTIST practise indeed and Calvin argued strongly FOR IT on the grounds of it being a SEAL in relation to OT circumcision, which is nonsense. Water Baptism no more seals Gods grace to a believer in Christ than a confession of faith does. Most calvinists do not believe in paedobaptism??? huh??? ones that follow calvins institues most certainly do. Time to chuck unbiblical names.

[calvinistgirl]

I'm Baptist and do not believe in infant baptism... just relax we're on the same side. So, I'll rephrase my comment, every single baptist I've ever spoken to does not believe in infant baptism.

[jesuitinfiltrator]

Paedobaptism isn't the ONLY issue with Calvin and his system of teaching. You have to look at his entire teaching, not just one element, and his system is a departure from Pauls Gospel of Free Grace. What would the apostle Paul said of TULIP? I think he would of loved it, but Calvin I think he would of chucked him. Also MOST baptist today do NOT believe in most of the points of tulip, historically baptists used to, but not now. Reformed baptists are not a huge segment of the baptist world.

[calvinistgirl]

True... however over 40% of the graduating Seminary students are calvinist (aka reformed) in their theology. I love TULIP, I never truly understood God's amazing grace until I studied and learned TULIP and began reading historic baptist principles.

[jesuitinfiltrator]

lol, what are the other 60%.. calminian, half arminian and half calvinist? One book that really changed my life was a small book by Duane Edward Spencer simply called TULIP, it lays out both sides with scripture references. If you want a copy I can email it to you. I would also like to add, John Gill really was one of the first great baptist preachers who departed from Calvins system of teaching and most baptists today have nothing to do with his teachings for the most part.

[jesuitinfiltrator]

that may be true, but the majority of baptist NOW do believe in arminian pelagian heresy from hell, and THAT Is the issue, and hallmark of say the SBC or other large baptist ecclesiastic bodies.

[thor2me]

Nice shirt. I have one too!

Ever go on aomin's chat channel?

[calvinistgirl]

Hi thor2me....no, I haven't gone to the aomin chat channel... any particular day or time better than another?

[jesuitinfiltrator]

lol I got kicked out of aomin IRC chat by james white personally for telling presbyterians and other reformed types that paedobaptism is a wicked practise of rome. James White I have a lot of respect for though, EVEN if he is a baptist... hes a REFORMED baptist... I have more to say about such titles later.

[calvinistgirl]

Well, I'd be interested in hearing it. We do consider ourselves to be reformed baptists however we're in an arminian baptist church. I'm suprised James White would kick you out for that reason. Speaking of titles, what 'brand' of church do you attend?

[jesuitinfiltrator]

why would you be in an arminian baptist church when you believe TULIP is a good summation of the gospel?? Something is not right in that. What brand?? not any brand, I am not pushing a name or brand. Last baptist church I attended and was going there for awhile, they tried telling me that the Kingdom of Christ is here now and within us.. I didn't stay there long thats for sure, and that preacher was a solid 5 pointer as well. Kingdom NOW theology is heresy.

[calvinistgirl]

Well, I live in a very small town and I'm able to teach in this church. For now, this church is a mission field. So, my question for you is... do you go from church to church trying to find a good fit? Have you found that? What if there is no such thing? We're looking at a church plant here with a few other reformed thinkers.

[jesuitinfiltrator]

I live in such a pagan dark city, which I want to get out of soon as possible, that I have pretty well given up joining a fellowship here. If there is no such thing, then stay separated and try to start a fellowship in your own home, thats what the early first church did, there were no ecclesiastical hierarchies in Acts besides a council in jerusalem and antioch that met.

[Blaze25z]

Very well said...

[ATLpirate]

Amen!