Bill Ayers on public schools as "sorting machines" - part 2

[jeffofpa]

How do these people live with the lies they tell?

1. Arm citizens in DC. at the restoring honor rally never happen, it is against the law an the people at that rally were law abiding people.  Her radical left bombers would do it.

2. Right lean press, MSNBC is totally subsidiary of the GOP, please enough said.

3. Racist, again they keep saying it maybe the dumb will fall for it..

These are the people who bomb building and kill people. How do they have any creditability?

[captainkill1]

If i were his student in his class I would physically beat him to a pulp for his crimes against our country and hating our country. Nobody can be let off of the hook for free.

[teebs79]

@captainkill1

wasn't the vietnam war a crime against our country? how many Americans needlessly died in that war?

he did what he did out of love for the United States

[StacytheJew]

I don't trust a commie as far as I can throw him. Execute the stupid mamzer! He and his wife committed treason against the US in the 1970's, in an attempt to set up a communist government. Their group declared war on the United States. That's not something to take lightly.

[xxMadBomberxx]

People that commit treason should be executed.

[lura32000]

now this guy sounds like a realist!What the heck

[taghl]

Bill Ayers is a hard-left socialist, and the reason he is interested in education is that this is the time that young children can be indocrinated with hard-left socialism.

Remember, the Weather Underground advocated in meetings amongst themselsves, confirmed by FBI spies who had infiltrated that organization, entire "re-education camps" to be in the Amer. Southwest. If you could'nt be "re-educated", they were going to kill you.

His education golas are: left indoctrination. Period.

[ieatsalt]

do you actually disagree with anything he said, or do you think you can win an argument with Dr. Ayers by calling him a "hard left socialist"? You have to tackle the issue head on, not just try to smear him with labels that you misunderstand. E.g., "taghl is a fascist" is not a good counter to your post. And I personally don't think he's trying to indoctrinate anyone, but it's not clear that a leftist indoctrination would be worse than rightist, which is arguably what we have.

[taghl]

The educational problems in the US that we have are that we are having to educate kids for successful careers that in many cases are beyond what their intelligence is going to allow them to undertake.

Not every kid can be an accountant, doctor, lawyer, etc.

We are stuck with many kids with IQ's in the 80's who cannot make it in college even if they got there. We dont have the grunt work for them to do anymore as we have replaced them with Latinos as worker bees, and have outsourced factory

[taghl]

work to China. Whats left for this group is service work which is deeply humiliating t them, especially males. The females need only get pregnant to be offered housing and sustenance, making the males redundant. The fatherless children start the process all over again. Leftists then wring their hands over their lower test scores. Newsflash: The average Ashkenazi Jewish IQ is 113. The average S. Korean IQ is 107. The average white IQ is 105. The avereage black IQ is less than 90 (85 or so)

[taghl]

So what is to be done when kids who have higher IQ's and come from 2 parent very supportive families where books are read outscore underlcass kids on standardized tests? Ayers simply calls the tests racist and forges on for redistribution and blames society. I dont blame a quarterhorse for being able to outrun a Clydesdale, but I dont blame the Clydesdale for being a stronger animal than the quarterhorse.

If you want to see performance improved, focus on reading (NON--PC--Drivel, exciting

[taghl]

stories that appeal to boys especially), focus on drawing for spacial development, focus on math, and focus on science. Civics should again be taught along with history and even before it. Discipline is necessary to keep the disorderly from interrupting the students who want to learn.

Whats so sad, is that with the internet, the kids who WANT to learn will be having a bigger advantage than ever before, going around the teachers to gain knowledge at night. Kids OF COURSE sort themselves out

[taghl]

in school, by interests, good looks, social status, race, etc. This is natural and there is very little we can do about it without being Orwellian. Life does not give equal outcomes to different people no matter how much some want that. Ayers, a guy who used to plant bombs, but got off on technicalities (even though others in the W. Underground are in prison), got into education to use it for redistributive change. The truly rich love it, because it hamstrings lower middle and middle class kids

[ieatsalt]

I appreciate your thoughtful response, even if I find some of your ideas reprehensible (not b/c they're not "PC", as you would probably imagine, but b/c I consider them poorly thought out-- i.e., you seem to look at symptoms and think you understand the problem (comparative IQs, e.g.-- whatever you think there is no such thing as a pure aptitude/intelligence test-- all tests measure learning and skills to some extent.

[ieatsalt]

so, Newsflash, even if your data is accurate, it wouldn't say a conclusive thing about the potential of blacks versus jews versus koreans. It would say a lot about what kind of conditions they grow up in).

[ieatsalt]

I could go on. In particular, I'm tickled by your claims that the truly rich love redistribution and hamstringing the middle class. That's the kind of statement that only a total ideologue could make.--so vague as to be unverifiable, based probably 99% on innuendo you've picked up your whole life from ideological comrades, always building upon a story that puts you and your demographic in the single most victimized position in the social strata.

[ieatsalt]

In that way, you're no different, at all, from the select poor/minorities who you criticize for saying they've got it tough. But I do appreciate that you're trying, in your half-smart/half-ideological way, to think about these issues.

[taghl]

Explain CRA quotas in any other way. Explain section 8 housing in any other way. Explain private schooling and busing in any other way. The true elite love it, CRA development (15% of which has to be "affordable") sticks starter homes in w/McMansions (developer always does it last), and hurts equity of working/middle class. Section 8, whereby you may get a real Drug Dealer living next door to you smallish McMansion (my aunt literally did), is another assault on the equity of the middle class by

[taghl]

the uppermost class (Im speaking of the top 5% here). Public education, wet blanketed by "we-are-all-equal" drivel, is another assault on the lower middle through upper middle (incomes of 50K to 150K a year) by the elite, who send their own kids to private schools. Ayers, who should be in prison, is merely a tool, whether he knows it or not.

Nothing truly revolutionary in education will ever be allowed. The elite, through tokenism, can have potempkin diversity to protect the status quo

[taghl]

DO you want to know my REAL idea to reform education would be?

Outlaw Private schooling. Cross county busing that would make the wealthiest kids go to school with the poorest ones, no tutoring (letting the rich hire tutors to homeschool). Make the elite's precious darlings sit in class with barrio/hood kids. Then you'd see a real commitment to get it right. The elite dont care about educating kids whose parents only bring in 80K a year between them, trust me on that. They are cannon fodder

[ieatsalt]

which is it? are you for forcing integration across race and strata, or is that exactly what you hate? I am intrigued, but genuinely confused. I can't tell if you're sarcastic, or confused too!

[taghl]

Im not being sarcastic at all. The elite have abandoned public education because their own darlings aren't in it. Therefore they see it as an opportunity to use "forced equality" to hurt the potential competition emanating from it (the brightest students) by dumping the lumpen on their backs.

However, dont be dissapointed when there are still unequal outcomes. We will always have both talented brainiacs and average folk, just like we have beautiful and plain people.

Good luck though.

[bullbunnies]

i agree with this to some extent

sometimes you need a general to get kids to study

i live in Canada and all this 'child-growth-centered' education spoils kids, instills narcissistic entitlement, and deprives them of the necessary experience of failure.

the school system is fine. All it needs is more money, and more work from parents, not more input. Just let teachers do their jobs

[klickenpod]

Seriously. I think what he is saying is extremely relevant about education.