Scarborough: O'Reilly "Lies" & "Goes Off the Deep End"

[Kougeki1000]

Ya, O'Reilly's a fucking asshole, but so is Joe Scarborough, like why the fuck is he on MSNBC?

[torr5962]

@Kougeki1000 Great point. O"Reilly's biggest problem is he spouts about things he has not researched thoroughly. But Scarbourgh's arrogance and overall smug attitude is just as sickening. Pretending there isnt a national media bias is crazy.

[Zallastris]

So, if a lie is an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker to be untrue with intent to deceive... what if Bill O'Reilly actually believes what he says? He'd be the perfect misinformation machine. What if he doesn't actually believe in anything that he doesn't say? What if he doesn't think he's lying?

Shit, I'm scared just thinking about it. I need some ice cream and a Nicholas Sparks movie to laugh at before I think about this too much.

[BeauJames59]

LOL......O'Reilly reminds me of Fundamentalist Protestants. In their impossible quest to be not worldly, they have to denigrate more and more and more things as worldly. O'Reilly's list of "far left" grows and grows. Next he's going to tell you Newt, Glenn, and Rush are "far left" and HE's the only conservative left........(if you think he's an independent, we have NOTHING to talk about) Bless ya'll and god bless America, where we have a bit of freedom of the press.

[enomarekim]

shill shill shill shill shill shill shill. Shillll shill shill shilll shill shillll shillshill shill shill shillllll. shill shill shill shill shill shill shlll.

[ensconse]

Joe a "shill"? He's Republican. Can you explain?

[enomarekim]

@ensconse

All political pundents do is make fun of each other. They never actually talk about real issues, they only ever shill for either themselves, their network, or others with similar viewpoints.

[ensconse]

Thanks. Alot of wasted brain power. I find Limbaugh & Hannity huge "shills" (RL at least is a brilliant orator; SH a talking point parrot-puppet).

In addition to shilling 4 political parties, they shill their own phony writing careers.

[BeauJames59]

@ensconse LOL......exactly...O'Reilly's just going farther off the deep end..........

[benjaminmagnus]

There is no left Wing in USA only right Wing and far right

[BootyBot]

the worst part is that O'rielly justifies what he does by pointing the finger. It's as if he interprates everything he does as if it's a war.

[solauerbach]

whats the difference between orielly and hannity? The pen!!!! (in seans finger)

[ProudtobePagan]

No it's the amount of bullshit coming for O'Rielly's mouth

[BootyBot]

i found that both networks seem to choose a side: one greatly left, and one greatly right. This tends to isolate the viewers and make them choose sides too. Personally though, I prefer NBC.

It seems that people like O'reilly have made blatant lies such as this, and on a smaller level, when he lied about telling people to shut up. He said that he only said it once in six years, but I just watched a montage of him saying it at least 8 or 9 times. Even the small things like that bother me.

[theliberalparis]

except that one gives news and the other one doesn't. MSNBC gives facts, even they flatter the left wing, they are facts.

[LiberalcideHellYah]

Joe Scarborough is in denial and a closet liberal. Obviously he works for one of the most liberal TV networks in America and NBC is DEFINITELY in bed with the fanatical and liberal NY Times.

[quinton01]

This pugilism between the liberal MSNBC and the Fabian faux-conservative Fox News is destructive in its effects on the American mind. This contest serves only to buttress a false left/right, republican/democrat paradigm, no different from the theatrics of WWE.

What is paramount here is that News Corp. (Fox News), NBC, ABC/Disney, PBS, CNN, Time Warner are all corporate members of the Council on Foreign Relations, while they may seem to see things differently, their goal is the same.

[sypher113]

This was posted nearly two years ago, has the serge worked yet?

[flyboymd82]

Everyone hates NBC news(aka the liars).

[TGW5555]

Bill O'Reilly just hate NBC news period the end.

[asderathos]

Everyone but fox constantly hedges & censors the truth to promote socialist globalization & dictatorial xenophelia which BUSH IS FOR so they brand him a right winger pushing popular opinion further left. Ignore the fact that Clinton bombed Christian Serbs for defending themselves against Muslims, War is Peace as long as the bombs have a D writ on em. Not to mention Bush's Progressive Leftist Globalist act of taking guns from Iraqi Christians & then not defending them triggering genocide/exodus.

[GstateBALLER925]

please dont put fox on a pedastel like that... they havent done anything to deserve credit. they belong in the dumpster.

[asderathos]

So you want the whole TV media to be a liberal monopoly No conservatism whatsoever on screen. I suppose your also for the fairness doctrine, applied in one direction only too. What ever happened to the Sane Democrats that said "I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"? Now its just "the debate is over" shouting down & ignorant blanket condemnation. Yours is a story of the greatest irony in history; self proclaimed liberals are only fascists in practice

[GstateBALLER925]

no, just dont claim that they tell the truth and are honest with their viewers, and msnbc is not. all of the media is pretty biased, and it just depends on what pundits/anchors you want to watch. fnc is no different than any other network, but on top of that they pedal republican propaganda to benefit a conservative ideology. if you cant see that, then you must be a conservative yourself, or your just blind. by the way, fox news is the one who shouts down its guests more than any other network.

[asderathos]

I've barely watched FOX at all, but I can tell having watched the local NBC station that There are lies NBC will tell that Fox WON"T. The Liberalism of NBC is synonymous with intellectual dishonesty. Anything to do with Illegal Immigration they call Immigration as if it is whole and right that America shouldn't have sovereign borders. There's borderline Treason & there's mistakes that happen in the news. NBC tells consistent lies in line with their anti-American agenda.

[GstateBALLER925]

then prove it. ill prove more lies from fox news that you have of nbc. lets see what you got.

[asderathos]

Oh yeah, I'm a rich guy, billionaire actually & I HAVE the resources to go into fact finding & verifying missions on three media fronts. (That is called sarcasm (if yuh dint no) Firstly though i didn't say NBC lies more I said their lies are consistent many or most of which FOX doesn't tell.

[GstateBALLER925]

you dont have to be rich... you research and you find it out. thats what the internet is for. and with all that stuff you gave me and telling me to google, im not going to do it. im not the one making the claims so i have no need to go find them out.

[asderathos]

List of subjects Omitted censured or hedged in the mainstream media; Illegal immigration, IslamoFascism, Obama Affiliations, Bush, War, CAIR, Black Slavery in the middle east, Iraqi Christian genocide/exodus, Clinton's bombing of Serbian Christians, Antisemitism in the Quran, The macro micro parallels of the economy, Consistent failures of socialism, Democratic oppression of blacks (no school vouchers) Some of this might be due to ignorance OR they're not doing their job, Google it!~

[GstateBALLER925]

can you be a little more specific please? if you actually think i have the time to google a bunch of things that probably dont even deserve the time of day to research, your crazy. i can give you specific examples of fox news and their lies, but your expecting me to do the all the work here. get into more detail and then we'll talk.

[asderathos]

Something not from host bickering? lets hear it! anything to do with illegal immigration? chinese sex slavery(in America)? The fact that Bush didn't lie? The Economy)being the fault of false capitalism) as a means to corporate socialism same as hitler's nazi-ism?

[AJSkullCrusher]

bush did lie, he told an untruth. that's a fact, hence not a lie on my part.

[asderathos]

The Specifics anecdote of Calling Illegal Immigrants & Illegal Immigration JUST Immigrants & JUST Immigration, consistently, is all I got atm. (Its the post Election lag in paying attention to the news) there's also never mentioning non-white criminals by race but that's only Political Correctness Not a lie. I'm not paying enough attention, I just vent & forget. Ah sanity on the radio a PC free zone. Visit my channel for a glimpse.

[GstateBALLER925]

alright... i guess ill get back to you then. im too lazy to check right now. lol

[asderathos]

same here!!!~ *sloth*

[asderathos]

ALSO I just scream at my TV when I see a stupid lie. I'm not indoctrinated into an ideology of omni-scopic distrust of the last vestiges of dissent in TV medium; I don't write the lies down, rather I attempt to retain the truths I find elsewhere. But maybe that's what marginalization breeds. I know my issues. Ask me about any of those topics listed below, hear my answer & research it yourself for a well rounded conclusion. be forewarned some knowledge came from FOX. Not much but some.

[sxmadrid]

What a fucking headache the bloke is. 'Tackling issues' with a frying pan, but mostly promoting corporate tv.

[thunderbirdsdog]

Fox so called 'journalists' are absoloute

tools of the government they promote war, squash questions about 9 - 11 & the collapse of WTC 7 & the object that hit the Pentagon I wish the people of America would get out on the streets & order that Fox be shut down & its executives charged with incitement & treason,please America stop hiding behind the flag that has been taking over by absolute scum of earth people that would have no problem seening you death if you got in their way.

[bigtexansfan]

Bill O'Reilly is a fucking douchebag!

[MetalScholar]

O'Reily is a piece of shit... and that's coming from a 'fellow' conservative...

[beninbf]

Thank you sir!!

[islakid]

lol i cant believe they accused engel, when clearly there the ones thats biased

[alegria690]

Scarborough liberal right wing? Scarborough was regarded as a reliable conservative, receiving a 95 percent lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union.

[devilstroublebrewing]

Does Fox News even have a research department?

[Brettah31]

your kidding, right?

[devilstroublebrewing]

Yes, I'm sure they have a research department. My sarcasm was due to the fact that O'Reilly is incorrect, a lot. The fucking White House is citing NBC reports, so please spare me the anti-NBC rant. Also, it's "you're kidding". "Your kidding" would mean that I have ownership over a "kidding."

[Brettah31]

lol i know, i added that comment for the lulz.

also, please no grammar nazism in youtube comments. its much too late and i dont realy watch my grammar here. i would keep an eye on it whilst writing an engineering report or somthing else important however.

but back to the point: fawx = propaganda, not journalism.

[stevethul1]

Yes, Fox has a research department and it concentrates on how to mislead the people of the U.S. in this War of Lies.

It is time that we stand up for our country and Support Impeachment of Bush on 25 July 08 before Fox has to come up with more propaganda about a war in Iran and/or WW III.

SUPPORT IMPEACHMENT 25 JULY 08

[Velayasha]

stevethul, Is Fox a little conservative? Yes. But MSNBC is is far to the left. You want to talk about bias? Keith Olbermann is the king of left wing bias. I personally don't think O'Reilly is a conservative or a liberal. He's just a feisty Irishman who's hard on everybody. The one thing I'll say about O'reilly in his favor is that I've never seen his show where the opposite viewpoint was not presented. I cannot say the same for Olbermann.

[realcyrus26]

Oreily hardly presents the opposite viewpoint. He usually cuts the other person making the point off of interrupts with his "feistyness".

"..hard on everyone..", I dont think so. This gut is a total self righteous, hypocritical, racist, propaganda spewing, lying, a**hole.

I watch all news from every station. I watch as many full, unedited, uncensored, videos as I can from more reliable sources, there may be other news stations that spin things to their view, but fox is THE WORST!

[Velayasha]

realcyrus I think your disdain for O'Reilly colors your view of his journalist skills. I think any object observer can see that for the most part, O'Reilly is a rough, but honest and fair broker. Like I said, I've never seen a show of his where there was no opposing view. And I've seen him grill Republicans as well. And for the record, I don't agree with half of time.

[Jarodahl]

He doesn't present the opposing viewpoint in any useful way. Pay attention to how he puts words in peoples mouths.

[override367]

Keith Olbermann doesn't have a pretense, he tells you he is left wing. O'reilly claims he isn't conservative and has fair and balanced graphics fly at you

[bigtexansfan]

There's no way you can spin it, O'Reilly is a douchebag, simple and plain!

[hkkorly]

WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!! FUCK IT!!

[pididle]

Fuckin' thing, SUCKS!!

[spaceorbison]

Bill O'Rielly is corporate owned monkey.

[Rayzkevin]

Steven Colbert at 3:28

[paul8kangas]

Do you know that in 2005 the Energy Policy Act, which had enormous tax break giveaways to oil companies, was on the table, & Clinton and Kerry voted against it, even McCain voted against it?

He pauses for a beat. "BO voted for it."

At one point he cites a quote from a political blog: "Obama speaks like King , but votes like Bush."

BO voting for billions in military appropriations to expand Iraq. BO's voting record, he says, has resonated favorably with defense industry executives.

[Gutcheckcoming]

wow another big video of msnbc lies

[GstateBALLER925]

msnbc lies? prove it... and if anything, they are proving fox news lies, which happen everyday on that stupid channel.

[Gutcheckcoming]

msnbc is tabloid journalism leaning so far left i cant breathe, fox news is pretty bad about going right but not nearly as right as msnbc is left, hit up cnn they switch up between conservatives and liberals throughout the day , gives a clear picture instead of msnbc which just lays their opinion without any story research

[GstateBALLER925]

how is msnbc so far left? they bring on more conservatives than fox news does liberals. tony blankley, joe scarborough, pat buchanan, tucker carlson, chris matthews (he voted for bush in 2000), and many more. all of those guys have a big voice on every single msnbc show except countdown which is run as a newscast, not a yelling match between sides. who are the liberals on fox news? alan colmes? he barely gets a word in? van susteren... she is as weak a liberal as can get. ellis henican? same.

[GstateBALLER925]

oh yes very clear picture... yelling matches between crazy talking heads, what a great way to get news huh? lmao without any story research? what world are you living in? fox news is known for its terribly inaccurate news stories. they are so out there with accuracy its pathetic. you are an idiot if you thik that. they even label republicans as democrats. and any story msnbc gets wrong, they have fessed up to it and admitted their mistake. do a little research yourself before bsing like you are.

[GstateBALLER925]

and just to clarify, the talking heads on msnbc yelling at one another are different than the ones on fox because there is more moderation on msnbc... fox news just has idiots who yell and dont let anyone talk, including the hosts of the show. not even they can moderate a simple debate.

[Gutcheckcoming]

lol at countdown being a newscast , its an opininated smutcast ,a jack off like olbermann saying who the worst person in the world is when all he needs to do is look in the mirror

[GstateBALLER925]

do you realize how fucking stupid you look? opinion is in every single show... what would any news show be without opinion? would you rather listen to bill oreilly with his crazy talking points that pander to the far right and yelling down and cutting off his guests? you dont gain any knowledge or news for him or any other fox news show, just far right propaganda. if you want to go retarded, watch that jerkoff. his show and its ratings are sinking like the fucking titantic, if not worse.

[Gutcheckcoming]

lol you dont watch ratings then olbermann's audience isnt even half of Glenn Becks on cnn lol

[GstateBALLER925]

wtf are you talking about? you must be a fucking idiot if you think some bullshit like that. i watch the ratings on a daily basis and i know exactly what they are. olbermann gets more viewers at his 8pm show than becks two shows COMBINED in both the key demo and total viewers.

countdown 8pm

key demo 453,000 (top rated news show)

total 1,069,000

glenn beck

key demo 7pm 152,000

total 7pm 434,000

key demo 9pm 147,000

total 7pm 439,000

do the math on that, if you know how to.

[GstateBALLER925]

that last line that says total is supposed to be 9pm, not 7.

[Gutcheckcoming]

o'reilly has over 2 million viewers check the neilson ratings instead of making up numbers jackass, is it fun being a liar ?

[Gutcheckcoming]

and beck is a 1.5 which is 1.5 million also beating olbermann

[GstateBALLER925]

"and hostile to people whom they disagree"

isnt that what bill oreilly does to his guests on a daily basis?

[Srhandel]

I would like to see O'Reilly & Olbermann in a Cagefight, O'Reilly would make sure Olbermann would shut his mouth permanently.

[GstateBALLER925]

lmao your telling me a shriveled up 60 year old pansy with a comb-over like bill oreilly would beat down on olbermann who is 10 years younger than him? oreilly would be lucky if he didnt break his hip in first minute of that fight.

[yuothineyesasian]

shrandel... u stink

[chrisjames2006]

Wouldn't it be great to see Kieth Olberman and Bill O'Reilly go head-to-head on neutral ground, I wonder who would win with both doing their own research, no staff help, see who's more wits, facts and truth, and who is all talk and bullsh-....wonder how someone can get that to happen

[GstateBALLER925]

keith olbermann would absolutely love to debate bill oreilly, but oreilly refuses to even acknowledge olbermann or say his name. very immature and unprofessional. any normal journalist would be brave enough to face his rival. but no, oreilly is a coward in my opinion, and he will never come himself to debating keith... maybe when fish ride bicycles.

[Gutcheckcoming]

thats because olbermann isnt qualified to be on the news and nbc is tabloid jouranlism

[GstateBALLER925]

and fox news is what? award winning accurate journalism? its more like a bunch of fascist right wing idiots who believe their own lies.

[AydenThropp]

I honestly think that what gives Bill O'Reily his power (or insanity) is the fact that people pay attention to him. Treat him like that crazy family member who nobody talks about and ignores. His fuel comes from the attention given to his comments. What's sad is that he believes the lies, so he has a serious mental problem. Either commit him or ignore him!

[karlobarlo]

srhandel- by the way....instead of having a pop at Joe scarborough....will you admit that O'reilly blatantly lied here? You know he did, but you will probably refuse to admit it!

[karlobarlo]

srhandel- I am sorry to tell you this but Fox News is the most disgraceful network in history since Murdoch took over. I have never ever seen a more disgraceful, pumped up show than the O'Reilly factor. He cant be taken seriously, he is an idiot. If you cant see that, you too....are an idiot!

[Srhandel]

He had Hillary on this week, John McCain next week and he'll probably have Obama on the week after, but Obama is such a pansy, he won't go on with O'Reilly, he only does the View and the Today Show. Obama is a c*nt.

[GstateBALLER925]

obama doesnt want to go on with oreilly because he probably dislikes the man so much. and he has nothing to prove to oreilly.

[Srhandel]

Obama is too much of a c*nt to go on O'Reilly's show, he is too much of a pussy to debate Hillary, why would he be man enough to go on O'Reilly's show? He couldn't even answer a question about why Carter went to talk to Hamas, he said, "can't I just eat my waffle?"

[fsem10]

left wing is hostile......lol....Angle is anti war....well Oreilly has always been pro war....and there is noone more hostile then him in the news business

[XXXR84]

He likes to pit everyone against each other! He is in the politics of division because he wants to implement his ideology on society via Fox News.

[jnycnuk]

it's sad when people are allowed to claim that they are actually journalists reporting news when all they are is entertainers. that's you billy goat!!!!

[luki22fab]

O'Reilly stop worrying about Obama and Edwards .. try stopping Keith Olbermann from intelectually kicking your ass!

[gematria79]

O'reilly is 6'4". He SHOVED 6'8 Obama staffer, screamed in his face and called him "low class". O'Reilly plans to hold the footage of his little stunt until his show airs Monday so it can be edited & SPUN. Fox, YouTube and other Rupert Murdoch owned medias are blasting O'Reilly's false version as fast as they can. Don't play into their game. Don't treat them like they are really a legitimate news agency. Murdoch and everything he touches is garbage, and should be treated that way.

[Srhandel]

So what happened to Joe's primetime show? They put him on early in the morning to shut him up. MSNBC is a horrible network. I remember one time Joe said he worked at Fox.

[piratejayftl]

Joe ended "Scarborough Country" to take Imus' place in the 6-9 morning time slot. If MSNBC wanted to "shut him up", I hardly think they would have put him on for 2 more hours.

[roscoe85cj]

yep, Joe is becoming like that freak Olberman, another socialist MSNBC talkinghead .. neither one of these two libdinks would have jobs if it wasn't for the 1% america-hating crowd that actually watches

[falcon2154]

Fuck you jack ass! Your the only America hater here.

[roscoe85cj]

watch it sparrowdung .. the ratings speak for themselves ... your heroes at NBC/MSNBC are bottomfeeders like you .. hehe and how about that pro-troop ad that they refused to run last week that they got their butt kicked over and now accepted ?? hahahah stupid fucking liberals crack me up !

[falcon2154]

All I read was: blah blah blah, I'm a dumb inbred redneck, blah blah.

[Srhandel]

MSNBC has the lousiest news coverage I have ever seen. I wish Pat Buchanan would leave that network and go work for Fox or CNN. Joe Scarborough used to be good on his primetime show. Now he was told to "shut up" on conservative issues by NBC and put on early in the morning. Msnbc only has 2 primetime shows, Olbermann & Abrams. The rest of the time they show lousy documentaries. They are a psuedo news network, they exist to attack Fox News. CNN is a much better network than MSNBC.

[VoodooMagicMan]

Scarborough used to be normal. Look what TV on MSN did to him. Sad!

[ginganz13]

Is there any difference between American news media and WWF?

[ghostzapper2006]

O'reilly, like Hannity, like Gingrich, like Bennet like Beck like limbaugh is a classic gutless fake flag waving patriot. He and his ilk won't risk their own lives but will cheer an unnedeed war incessantly. Gutless lying cowards and O'Reilly is delusional if he thinks his daily drivel even approaches objective news material. O'Reilly can't hold Engles jock and he knws it.

[riversyorke2]

why, alexraccoon, is that o'reilly's hand up your ass? your line sounds like something regurgitated wholesale from his whining rhetoric. One don't tell me I "cannot say things are unbiased". I wont, but even more than that it is absurd, dilusional, and bordering on insideous that anyone would claim fox (or ANY network you unthinking moron) and especially O'Reilly to be "fair and balanced". That phrase is an obsene joke.

[LogicalLove895]

Id have to aggree with fritz. Most forms of media in Corporate America are corrupt.

[frits1234567890]

and also in europe ,they just do what oil-nazi's tell them to do!

[AlexanderRaccoon]

Fox news is often the only one that gives you both sides of issues. The liberal slant on things now is so blatant you cannot say things are unbiased.

[burbonboy]

NEO-con jEws run Fox news. Are you delusional or what?

[sagondo]

People who believe Fox is "fair and Balanced" are true idiots who cannot form their own opinions, they need some idiot who is smarter than them to provide them one.

[James8516]

People who think NBC, CBS, the New York Times, etc. are fair and balanced are truly the idiots, who form their opinions off of left-wing nuts

[BobbieandSteveDooley]

That's why you watch it right! Lefties are Foxes biggest numbers!

[frits1234567890]

Bill is corrupt that is clear,bur ARE there any honest tv stations?they are all owned by the same clan!!!So we are lucky to have internet,now we can share info with people all over the world!

[VoodooMagicMan]

Amen Brother.

[frits1234567890]

thanks brother

[frits1234567890]

i mean thanks sister

[darwin489]

and fox news is the bush far right conservative propoganda machine, o'reilly is a complete idiot.

[TruthSpotter]

Everyone knows NBC is a wacko left wing propaganda wing of Media Matters or Move On.

[bambam1157]

O'Reilly's family should organize an intervention for him. He needs psychiatric help immediately!! What's worse is there are those who still continue to support him inspite of his endless lies. He's also paranoid about NBC and esp. msnbc. He's truly obsessed with the fact that they have class, truth and COMMON SENSE on their side. O'Reilly doesn't even qualify for being a hack...he's much, much worse.

[TruthSpotter]

NBC is a left wing wacko organization and everyone know it. Why pretend otherwise?

[vanzantyt]

LOL. You're funny.

[WemfRaver2003]

Funny, replace NBC with Fox and Left with Right and you get what the rest of the world thinks. But I guess the rest of the world is just wacko, better send the US to liberate us I guess.

[0u8shirt8]

How is any of this stupid retard baiting and infighting considered news?

[foxybrown323]

O'Reilly & Scarborough along with many others have this lovely way of MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS, because there seems to be no facts to support the statements. Or better yet if people don't agree with them they should suggest that those people be put in a straight jacket. Yeah they are reporting "REAL" news!

[signsbyrusty]

O'Reilly is an idiot

[moseljack]

Any one who says violence in Iraq has dropped 80% ! Is a sick man and an obvious bag man to continue to sell the lives away of our kids and hero servicemen and women alike. O'reilly is a BAGMAN an errand BOY.

[wiskawind]

O'Relly is a joke and so is his news. If Bush stopped fast, O'Rielly nose would be right up his backside. I am so glad to be left, where freedom is for the many not the few. Only way to get the real news, is "You Tube and the underground! (smile) Thank God for the internet, where the people still rule.

[pantselves]

If we stop listening to these talking heads (esp Orielly) they WILL go away.

[Isaac70]

1/3 of MSNBC programing is about life in prisons, 1/3 about Scooter Libby and the remaining 1/3 is about Bill O'Reilly.

[Ricky2112]

As a follow up, search YouTube for " Ann Coulter and Bill OReilly did 9/11: WTC 7 BBC bombs 911 " and see this guy's posts to learn more - my accnt doesn't have what I mentioned.

[Ricky2112]

If ONLY we had a left wing conspiracy. If only the left wing would grow spine fight back aginst these facsist lunatics. I will say that I'm proud to see the Dems back out of the Nevada debate - BRAVO! Oh, by the way, the neo cons crashed our own planes into our own buildings and then blew them up on 9/11/01. The defunked "Operation Northwoods" from 1962 finally had it's day in the limelight! Click on my name to learn more.