The BIG problem most Americans have is taking control of personal and practical responsibility. A lot of people have been fed with a silver spoon and are too spoiled to simply pull away. However the current US system will fail and those who don't plan within their own means will hurt terribly.
RON PAUL, WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR AN ANSWER! TELL AMERICAN PEOPLE HOW EXACTLY RU GOING TO CREATE JOBS? OK LETS SAY ALL TROOPS CAME BACK AND THEN WHAT? THEY ARE GOING TO SELL IPHONES AND BLACKBERRIES? DUDE BE A MEN, HOW RU GOING TO CREATE JOBS? POPULATION OF CHINA IS 1.4 B CHINESE WORK LIKE ROBOTS, BE HONEST TELL AMERICAN PEOPLE TO BUY UR BOOK U NEED CASH , U LOVE POWER, U LOVE CASH, U WILL NEVER CREATE JOBS, U HAVE NO ANSWER!
I would opt out. The additional 20% I saved would pay for my son's education (better than public education) and private investments, which already perform better than the social security that MIGHT be around when I need it.
The 10% opt out is not honest. Because all middle class WILL opt out... resulting in a flat tax of 10% I support this or not is irrelevant, just pointing out this opt-out thing is not honest game. As it results in a FLAT tax rate of 10%, so if you just want lower tax, just say it, you want 10% tax, don't hide it in this stupid game, or lies.
As I said in another post, Dr. Paul's fan base, thanks to modern media and oppressive government tactics like the Patriot Act, is growing exponentially. In reporting class the other night, we were "asked" which political party we belonged to, and a full 2/3 said they aligned mostly with the Libertarian Party. And these are our future journalists! That's amazing.
Convincing the American welfare society that it DOES have the power to succeed on its own will take time and effort. Convincing American government to get the hell out of the way and let it happen will take a miracle. That miracle begins with someone like Ron Paul in the White House who will do absolutely everything to let this happen.
I would agree with Ron paul but , what about , lets say , i am working, doing everything on my own and get attacked by a bum or get hit by a car or some other tragedy , how will i pay the medical bills that will be in the 40, 50, 60 , thousands dollars . live in New York
@SturmKorps that will not accomplish a thing alone. without the jobs and a friendly environment for business to start up, that is pointless and in effective and revolution will just cost more money and potentially make our country even worse.
Ive been listening to Ron Paul for years and he just said something profound that ive never heard from him before and that is the point about sad, demeaning and horrible it is for your high school and college kids to feel that without government telling them what to do and "giving" them the "needed" "support" they would not be able to function. That truly is sad and true, many people have this idea that without gov running their lives they would be worse off. The polar opposite is true
@pennjersey83 if you need all of these people to fund a bankrupt system, why don't you ask them to donate their money, maybe you will build a stronger community by communicating with your fellow citizens instead of using the government as the middle man to take from another by force.
Individuals, groups, corporations shouldn't be able to use the government as a middle man to transfer/steal money from others. (but they have and will continue) individual rights, including the right to keep what you earn is the solution.
If you cant opt out of something you are not truly free. Everything should be done on a voluntary basis and not with violent force. Join the conversation at HumanitoriumDOTcom
This is the stupidest man on the face of the earth. How do you opt out from the infrastructure? Yeah -- You opt out and pay a fee for fire department and a fee for police and a fee for EMT and a fee for driving on the roads and a fee for getting electricity and a fee to get water/sewer service and so on...
This is a red herring designed to stir the hearts of the weak minded fools who go for this idea that "every man for himself" is what the "founding fathers" had in mind.
exactly. The American people have fought hard for things like child labor laws, unemployment compensation, and social security. These programs were made out of necessity and Paultards fail to see that. They think freedom means having some 18 year old, unmarried, childless idiot opt out of the system for life. Foolish for Ron Paul to even bring this up. A great disrespect to my great grandparents who suffered during the depression without any government help.
Horrible idea. Bunch of 18 year old pitheads opting out. Then when they are 65 and disabled they will need government help. Children don;t know anything about community only out for themselves. Grow up ron paul nuts
@pennjersey83 By that logic you should be against 18 year olds signing up for the military because they don't fully appreciate that they might loose their lives at the whims of politicians. The point is they have the option to decide for themselves as an individual the course of their lives and so should they for their financial situation.
Btw telling people to grow up is very immature. Perhaps you wouldn't be fit to decide such matters but the smarter of us shouldn't be held back by you.
I am 28 years old and my general understanding of the world has greatly increased since I was an 18 year old young man. 18 year olds would opt out thinking "I can take care of myself without any help from society". 18 year olds have angst that grown adults don't have. They make foolish decisions that many adults dont make. Look at the music a typical 18 year old listens to. 18 yr olds without families are not capable of opting out for life. They know too little about life.
Look..You're a Paultard and I don't want to argue with you. Nothing I say will change your opinion. I will leave you one last comment. I joined the Air Force when I was 19, but I am much more responsible at age 28. The air force had a 4 year commitment. This proposal by Paul would allow a young, dumbass 18 year old to opt out of any public assistance for the rest of their life. No 18 year old is mature enough to make that decision. I would support a 6 year opt out at most.
@pennjersey83 people can think for themselves. I'm sorry you have so little faith in yourself but I don't need anyone to think for me or take care of me. Bye.
@pennjersey83 I'll never agree with the philosophy that the government has to protect you from yourself which is basically what your argument boils down to. Maybe I'll agree with 21 being the legal age of options but still think a free society should have such an option. Right now the best you can do is renounce your citizenship and move to another country and I can't think one many that don't tax more harshly and interfere just as much as the federal government.
I hope the future doesnt contain a bunch of homeless senior citizens who decided to foolishly opt out of any government aid when they were 18 year old children. My ancestors fought very hard for social security. Read a history book. Bye now
@pennjersey83 We're in two wars, the baby boomers are retiring and more people are locked in jail in american than any other country because of the drug war. If something doesn't give we might find ourselves in a situation where the elderly are opted out in order to save the system. Fact is the opt out stuff is just a passing fancy and not nearly the most important issue in front of us. With oil and later possibly food prices about to shoot up we might both find ourselves starving.
Don't be so negative. Ron Paul hates Keynesian economics so greatly he will say anything to get it changed. America's debt is at its lowest percentage of GDP since ww2. This 10 percent unemployment we're facing is the same as the early 80's and we bounced back strong in the 90's. Iraq war and afghan war are significantly cheaper to fund than ww2. Libertarians want to remove things like child labor laws and everything Americans fought for during the last century.
@pennjersey83 The thing about Ron Paul's understanding of economics is that he predicted so much of the current monetary crisis it's ridiculous. The man knows economics and a system that could avoid these bubbles needs to be considered seriously. As for Libertarians I only want to remove things that inhibit personal freedom and civil liberties which are the most important things Americans have ever fought for. I think we can do that and still protect children.
Ron Paul has been saying the system is going to collapse since the 1970's. It hasn't happened. In fact, 20 years after Ron Paul began preaching his theories of collapse, America experienced the greatest boom in its history, the 1990's. Ron Paul is a OBGYN and knows little of economics. Libertarians want to remove things that THEY believe inhibits personal freedoms. They even think it's a personal freedom for people to shoot up heroin. Nope, heroin should be illegal.
@pennjersey83 Even if it took him twenty years (he was more specific around 2006,7,8) he's still on the verge of being proven right. You you can't just look at a time when the market was good and pretend that we arn't in the situation that were in because of the bubbles created by the banks and then we bail them out.
BTW saying something that people want should be illegal is the same thing as saying this dangerous market should be controlled by criminals. Forbidden fruits are craved the most
With each monetary collapse during the last 100 years, the government replaces the system with a new one that's more controlled with more central authority. Usually monetary systems last about 40 - 45 years before they collapse under their own weight. Unless of course, they are a hard based sound money system that can last forever.Right now we are nearing the end of the third monetary system and collapse is imminent. Paul is correct.
@pennjersey83 It should be noted that these collapse are planned although no one is sure exactly when it will occur. It's just baked into the system like a fuse. The catalyst to take over the system to set up the boom and busts, The Federal Reserve System, happened in 1907. The second occured in 1944 following 2 planned booms and busts. It was called The Bretton Woods Agreement. When Bretton Woods broke down in 1971, we were put on a full Fiat Currency System. That was 40 years ago.
@pennjersey83 So in your mind, once an 18 year old person opts out of contributing to the government funds he won't contribute to his own retirement, the community, or help anyone else through direct charity? He will be selfish all his life and will all become a burden because without government involvement, noone can be successful? It seems that as a 28 year old you still have very little understanding of freedom and self reliance.
Yes retard. Thats exatcly what I'm saying. If 2,000,000 18 year old Paultards opt out, I'd estimate that 5 percent will have enough money to survive by the time their in their 80's. And god forbid if any unexpectedness happen to them. Like being unemployed for an extended period of time. The majority of Paultards won't be successful and I bet 50 percent of you already use some kind of government assistance. Go head and opt out you moron I could care less.
@pennjersey83 heres a translation of what you wrote, "I estimate that "insert fact out of my ass", then this will happen "insert fact out of my ass", then possibly this will happen "insert fact out of my ass". I be "insert fact out of my ass". Go head and opt out you moron I could care less."
No, we did not consent to any of it. It is the politicians who did with false promises, like Obama's antiwar promises during his campaign. And what do you get? High pay for all govt workers, dirty-dealing labor unions, and more taxes...
i like ron paul, but people are definitely NOT responsible with money. Smart people do need to tell dumb people what to do otherwise dumb people just cause trouble for everyone
@saleri give me all your money saleri and ill decide how you spend it ok? Do you trust I will spend it to better suit your needs than you would? Do you understand now?
as a fair reminder this just a rhetorical idealistic question ...a issue that may be debate but not mandatory....... the full details of the 10% idea just maybe considered...... just putting one of many options that can be set on the table of constitutional ideas go DR. RON PAUL! ^_^
i believe this 10% tax sure beats the taxes we have now like the income tax, inflation tax and so on which is far more than 10%. he would bring the troops home meaning far less spending and increase the value of our dollar and all lower prices. my business would be booming.
well depending on the conditions and regulations we would still have to face? rent is still high, food, electric. i dont' want anything for free. i just want all prices to be lower so we can save more. there is no good in the income tax nor the inflation tax.
my answer is i would if all prices are low and/or more customers come because they can afford goods and services i offer.
@moctezuma112 Well I have always had a theory that the more a business has to pay the more the can not hire workers and the economy can not grow,
I am seeing the argument being made that there is some that has accepted the brain washing, saying that a fair bit of business out there are evil of some sort when they voice there worries about having to pay more and more money,
@moctezuma112 it is long well past over due on the teaching of economics one on one this sort of thing that was taught in the grade school once upon a time this idea and thinking has been shut down for a very long time.
Folks, As someone else also pointed out that it is an option ...if you do not like it you can still be paying taxes at the current rate ... so, given that I would like to hear as to how many ppl would like to opt out ...
That thing he said about the news article. It says that 21 year olds wont be mature enough not responsible enough to make that choice. BUT yet at 18!!!! not 21. You can make a choice to go to the army and maybe die for your country. So hey you can go die for us @ 18 but cant say no to medicare @ 21. Same with alcohol..... It doesn't make sense...
Yea I'd go with 25% to wean initially the public off BIG gov't and into SMALL gov't, free civil liberty, reduced prices, robust job hires atmosphere. Only under emergency war or natural catastrophe would there be a bump-up but only temporarily.
Ahem sorry let me rephrase that... I'll be a little nicer ;D
The audience is a bit "confused"... Especially the high school students. In a nut shell, "You don't have to opt out!" It's only an option. You can stay on food stamps and welfare and free student aid if you want. But me... I basically live like I'm already opted out, except I'm still paying income taxes at exorbitant rates. This opt out will lessen the burden on my back. It'll help a lot of people become independent of the sys.
@MrDustock well public education is a as much a scam as social security. except in reverse. the older people pay for younger people's educations via taxation.
Yes but and one big but. The government rebate every dime with interest and inflation ajustment paid into it to fund my retirement , old age health care, and any other future benifit I have been taxed for without my consent.
@MrDustock so you think the majority of Americans are retarded? is that what you're telling me? or do they just need to be educated? but you're against public education aren't you? so how are they supposed to learn eco 101 if they don't have public schools that teach it? yes you are obviously a genius. we should just elect you president since you're so much smarter than everyone else.
10% and FEES. Lots of FEES. Want your burning house saved? Need the police? Hitman? Pay up. Shut up. Freedom thy smell is rotten with inequality. Sure you can still get medical care. You just have to PAY FOR IT, private FOR-PROFIT insurance firms known for their humanity and selfless attitude the answer. Just like the privatized justice system where they will soon CHARGE your family for your being locked up on charges of looking suspicious. Hey, it's profitable so it's ethical. Peas.
@AceHoale Yea we can't have freedom because it might mean someone does better than someone else because of the effort they put in. And what's wrong with profitability. Profit is what's left over after deducting all costs. If there's no profit motive, as in publicly financed everything, there's no incentive for cost controls. Prices go up. And you don't pay the federal government for police and fire protection. This is one time where the commentors name truely matches his personality.
@AceHoale if they earned it legitimately through the free market system without government intervention then yes it is perfectly OK and reasonable. It's only those who do not earn it that way that are at fault. You're confusing wealth in general, as it's methods of capital accumulation, either that of honest hard work and ingenuity or through some form of taxpayer subsidy, like the bailouts which were a joke.
@AceHoale Why do you care so much about what the top 400 earners made? Yea it's OK with me that people can earn more money than someone else. As long as I can earn the money I do without half of it going to the government so they can give it to someone that didn't earn it. It's the progressive income tax that bothers me. If we have to have a tax on income let it be a flat tax where everybody pays the same percent. How is that not fair?
Taking care of yourself is great... but then what of the people who can't? There are millions who DO depend on the system, and to remove the system from under them would cripple them. I'm afraid Ron Paul is just too caught up in the past :(
I am disgusted by the way that Paul was shunned and dissed by the Young Americans for Freedom. IT goes top show that unless they're willing to rescind their decision to banish Paul, they have NO credibility! If that's the future of YAF, I say let's censure them! There are at least two better pro-liberty groups out there. Besides Campaign for Liberty, there is the Young Americans for Liberty.
If you save 10% of you income from age 25 to 65 and invested it you would have 3 times what SS will give you. No one can live on SS without other income.
The income for workers works on a post-tax scale. If you reduced the taxes, employers would just reduce the wages and take more home for themselves. This is a proven economic fact. Taxes really only limit how rich you can get, they don't affect the middle and lower classes.
I'm starting to doubt Stossal's street cred as a Libertarian after hearing him say we should have "free" high speed internet.
From that perspective, why would he not support free health care, or any other freebies he finds worthy of robbing his neighbors to produce?
Why is "free internet" more important than health care? Could it be because he knows that arguing for free health care would destroy his charade? He'll just slip this one in occasionally, and hope nobody notices.
Yes, it is about time that more young people turn out to support Ron Paul's concept of freedom. Freedom for them should mean first of all not to listen to their misguided socialist teachers. Make them learn to dig patoatoes if they don't even know how to raise carrots. Keep only the best of them to teach over the internet. Above/beneath all criticism dismiss all teachers unions, self-seeking parasites, who have no committment to educating the young.
@focus21x I'm spreading Ron Paul's ideas around my school. Even those blind hardcore democrats who don't know anything of politics and are just democrats because it seems to be popular agree with Ron Paul ideas.
Great new ideas for a better country. Down with the stale old Republicans like the Nazi girl's husband and the war criminal, whatever was his name....
Its time to exercise personal responsibility. Educate ourselves, earn a living, shop locally, and care for our families.
As long as you agree to pay an illegal IRS bill that subsidizes illegal private federal reserve interest and devaluations, illegal wars, illegal puppet dictatorships, illegal corrupt politicians, illegal global governance, illegal trade and illegal immigration and illegal employment, illegal weather weapons & manipulations - ITS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO LET IT ALL HAPPEN
For a household of two working adults each earning on average 50K annually (100K/yr combined) this would result in about a 20% (20K savings PER YEAR).
That is an excellent trade off as most of those families do not receive $20,000 per year in benefits from the US Govt.
Over a 30 year period that is a total saving of $600,000 (obviousy more in terms of NPV) in which they could pay debt-free and invest for future needs minus out-of-pocket expenses of "govt services" - if any.
Govt subsidizes critical functions like healthcare and education, means govt takes control. Govt corruption is then the number one problem. Lobbyist then take control of govt officials, legislation, courts, and public policy. Game over for the people, and that is what we have today.
The Obama healthcare law benefits big business by mandating healthcare insurance.
The only thing I have never understood about America is how they are so adamantly opposed to government subsidized Healthcare and Education. Considering the infinite number of Black-Holes that government pours money down the toilet on how, has it that the population has been poisoned against two of the key components of a healthy society? Everyone seems happy killing and waging war all over the planet and wasting trillions in the process but talk about taking care of people and your a commie?
@cjtherriault He said himself, that it was a rhetorical statement... not something that he's running on. Just because the rhetorical statement was a compromise doesn't mean that HE is going to compromise.
I've opted out by reclaiming my sovereign indigenous rights and living in republic with like minded american nationals. Don't succumb to the pressures of USAinc.!!!!!
i just want to play devil's advocate on this. it is sad for sure that the kid who asked the question wants to depend on the government for financial aid. but doesn't he have a point? at the CURRENT tuition rates of colleges, how is anyone going to be able to afford those? i guess peter schiff would argue that if no more financial aid is given, colleges would HAVE to drastically cut down their costs? anyway, i hope RP runs.
@wunderbeast same reason I can't eat lobster every night, if you can't afford it then you will not get it. Everyone is not guaranteed a high level college education by the constitution. Additionally with the Austrian free market system if less and less people can go to college then those tuition rates will plummet.
@MisterBig04 this is true. frankly, i think kids should be looking into more affordable schools where you wouldn't need loans. when i was in high school, i was convinced by my parents and society that i HAD to go to schools like NYU, columbia, dartmouth etc. there's a lot of societal pressure to be accepted to those colleges.
@wunderbeast When the government subsidizes education, the cost of education rises. Think how it would work in a free market system. If colleges charged too much then seats would go empty. Airlines, hotels, and theaters fix that problem. Empty seats mean lost revenue. So they let seats go for less to fill them up (put butts in the seats). Costs would come down to market rates. When government insures loans so more people can go to school, you get more kids than seats. Demand pushes prices up.
@oldhacks Actually he works for the people in his district, but yes he gets paid by Uncle Sam. Also he introduced a bill for congress to take a pay cut (obviously he diden't get many votes in favor) and he return certain percentage of his pay every year.
@fabregatoribio so you're saying he's for democracy? He's strictly a voice of the people? well then how come he's against direct democracy? if he's there for the people, why not just let "the people" speak or themselves by a vote?
@oldhacks We live in a democratic republic, that means our representatives are voted in by the people, so yes he is the voice of the people in his district, they have voted for him consistently. He is against direct democracy because we are a REPUBLIC with means yes majority rules as long as it follows the rule of law of this land, which is the constitution. So if is not in the constitution he wont vote for it. A Direct Democracy is dangerous because it doesn't protect individual rights.
@fabregatoribio our republic is anything BUT democratic. each election we are given the choice "what do you like best? piss or shit?" THATS NOT A CHOICE! the only way you can get elected is by raising MILLIONS of dollars from the special interest groups, while going around giving speeches about how you're going to take the special groups on. we have no representatives, only corporate america gets representation in this country.
@oldhacks The tea party has been pretty successful in voting out establishment candidates, and I kind of disagree because is not the system fault, is the people who don't give a damn about their country and are more worried about football, jersey shore, crap music ect and don't take the time to educate themselves to make a proper choice but I do agree that when in comes to presidential elections u are very right. That is the reason we got to start locally.
@fabregatoribio the tea baggers are a joke.and it IS the systems fault. the founding fathers screwed all of us when the only right they gave us was to the right to complain (freedom of speech). the constitution granted them full authority and the very first thing they did was enact laws to PROTECT slavery. the federal government is ran,owned, and operated by the Elites. And it always has been. in the early days it was slave owners, now it's industrialists.
@oldhacks well that is just your opinion, the founders gave you the second amendment not only the freedom of speech, it gave the citizen the possibility to overthrow their government by force if necessary but like i said, people in the united states have been more worried about celebrities than their own personal freedoms and government so they got what they deserve. Anyways, you must like Paul to a degree he is trying to get rid of the federal reserve (elite private bankers)
@oldhacks Exactly, why do you think we have the bullshit electoral system? Because the founding fathers were a bunch of elitists who thought people couldn't make decisions for themselves.
@oldhacks haha thank you man. The American political system is all smoke and mirrors. It was so cleverly contrived by the Founding Fathers to be that way that no one has figured it out. Or was it the founding fathers? Was it the loss of the confederacy during the civil war which eventually put us in our place today? There is no American Freedom, only American occupation and deception.
You're the only one that's figured out that The American Political System is all smoke and mirrors? You must be a genius. But what's interesting is that your unsurmountable genius also believes that the original government our founding fathers set up is the same one we have today. If you believe that, then genius is NOT the word I would use to discribe you. Our Founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves over what we've done to the gift they gave us.
@mickeysears It doesn't take a genius to figure out most governments are not for the, but for the government itself. The founding fathers I believe had SOME good intentions but not all. They knew that there talk and bravado would when over win over the people, and IT STILL DOES. You're an example of a person who has trouble believing that a country supposedly marked for freedom is built on whitewash. I still believe the American is great, but I believe our current state is not where it could be
@Thadigitalkid ". You're an example of a person who has trouble believing that a country supposedly marked for freedom is built on whitewash."
I think you're wrong. When America was born it was the most liberal idea ever heard in its day. The idea that people can government themselves, everyone is equal, and no one was above the law in a day where every other country was a monarchy or dictatorship. I think this country WAS marked for freedom. The whitewash came later.
@mickeysears Also, I believe there is no way to avoid a government being not in control of a certain elite, because that is just how human nature is. The best provided lead, the least will be conquered.
@oldhacks but anyways I recommend you watch some videos of republic vs democracy so u can get a better understanding, ill for sure explain it better than I can in this small boxes.
@oldhacks A full democracy is not a republic. In a democracy, 51% of the population rules the other 49%. So if 51% voted to take the money or some rights of the other 49%, democracy dictates that's OK. In a repsentative republic, you can't vote to take someones rights away no matter how many votes you have. In a presidential election, the majority of votes occur on the coasts. The entire center of the country would have no representation and candidates would never campaign there.
@mickeysears democracy and republic mean the same thing. Law and Order. %51 of Americans are thoughtful human beings. "in a rep republic you can't vote right away"??? what about the Patriot Act?! not to mention, 120,000,000 registered voters. so roughly %40. so it would actually be only 60,000,000 Americans enacting laws. the most informed and diligent of our society. ppl like you and me, ppl that actually care enough to go vote. also, why do you fear your own country?
@oldhacks A democracy and a republic are not the same thing. The Patriot Act is anti-constitutional and sooner or later will be repealed. And 60 million people might decide the elections but they are not enacting laws. You can't blame that on the people that vote. If the other don't want to participate then they should shut up and not complain. And I cartainly don't fear my country. I'm proud of it. finally people are starting to wake up and get involved. It took 100 years but it's here.
The sad thing is that Medicare, Social Security even the postal service are BROKE!! so eventually you won't op-out but you wont be able to receive this services or the quality of them will go lower than what they already are. The government has a track record of failing why keep the same policies? madness i say!!!!
$300 for a semester? If I could earn 10-15k a semester I would gladly pay my own way through college. As it stands right now... We suffer from a serious lack of education. And putting yourself 100k in debt isn't exactly motivating a lot of people to learn.
We're quickly becoming a world where an education is one of the most valuable assets. High school doesn't cut it anymore in a world market.
Ron Paul, you're on the right track, but you still have a little ways to go.
@me259259 In that case it would be better for that individual not to op-out. Or do what i did, join the army or other service branch for 3 years and get your GI-Bill or go into the reserves if you don't want to do all that time. Plus, you'll feel better about yourself if you know u earned yours instead of expecting a handout.
@fabregatoribio Isn't joining a branch of the service doing the same thing? Yes, you are paying for your education with your service and commitment to the country... However, the government is paying for your armed service training, and your education. It's not like your service earns the government the money to pay for the education like a regular job does. In a sick sense, it's still kind of like a government handout.
@fabregatoribio I agree, those who want an education shouldn't opt out. However, if everyone who wanted an education could afford it, we wouldn't need the government to provide financial aid in the first place. The opt-out program would have the same effect as if we cut all of those programs.
In the end, we need to decide what is important. If education is important to our country as a whole, we should fund it. If not, then we shouldn't. It's as simple as that.
@me259259 If "we" fund it, education will continue to dumb down Americans. Why do almost no Americans understand economics and finance? Why do Americans not understand that the U.S. bullies the world and arms dictators? Why are Americans stuck on junk food and consumerism? That's what they've been educated for. Anything the government "provides" with a fraction of the money they take from us, is always of poor quality, since the gov. has a monopoly with no competition, loves bureaucracy
@me259259 I wouldn't call it a handout, specially if your deploy your working 12-15 months 7days a week 12 hour a day, is more like an incentive that they give you to attract people to join, sense the pay is not all that. Yeah the work doesn't directly provide the government with any cash but the country needs armed forces anyways so instead of a higher pay they provide us with a lot of benefits which in the long run is cheaper for them bc only 20% of veterans end up using their GI Bill.
I'M FOR RON PAUL, BUT WHY PAY 10% TO OPT OUT..WHY NOT JUST OPT OUT PERIOD AND MAKE VOLUNTARY DONATIONS IF YOU SO CHOSE TO.
whothehellgivesadamn 3 months ago
If Ron gets elected and doesnt get popped by the global elite then i am moving straight to America!
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@bigchinamike HAHAHA yesss
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The BIG problem most Americans have is taking control of personal and practical responsibility. A lot of people have been fed with a silver spoon and are too spoiled to simply pull away. However the current US system will fail and those who don't plan within their own means will hurt terribly.
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RON PAUL, WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR AN ANSWER! TELL AMERICAN PEOPLE HOW EXACTLY RU GOING TO CREATE JOBS? OK LETS SAY ALL TROOPS CAME BACK AND THEN WHAT? THEY ARE GOING TO SELL IPHONES AND BLACKBERRIES? DUDE BE A MEN, HOW RU GOING TO CREATE JOBS? POPULATION OF CHINA IS 1.4 B CHINESE WORK LIKE ROBOTS, BE HONEST TELL AMERICAN PEOPLE TO BUY UR BOOK U NEED CASH , U LOVE POWER, U LOVE CASH, U WILL NEVER CREATE JOBS, U HAVE NO ANSWER!
democratsaresmart 7 months ago
6:22 you can hear Ron Paul igniting his lightsaber, thus revealing his secret identity as a Jedi Master. LOL!!
bigchinamike 8 months ago 3
He's too good.. He's gonna get shot.
MrLittletomdj 8 months ago
Why does Stossel look mad? Holding that red sword makes him look like a Sith.
enlighteneveryone 9 months ago
@King100Joe Would you like another? Bill O'Reilly.
ChiefsFan581 9 months ago
@King100Joe Chris Matthews.
ChiefsFan581 9 months ago
Stossel is one of the few in the MSM that hasnt let the corruption get to him. Hats off to him for giving RP a fair interview. Much respect.
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MatthewDZak 9 months ago
I would opt out. The additional 20% I saved would pay for my son's education (better than public education) and private investments, which already perform better than the social security that MIGHT be around when I need it.
jlzimmerman 10 months ago
I think a max 19% for everyone is good enough.
The 10% opt out is not honest. Because all middle class WILL opt out... resulting in a flat tax of 10% I support this or not is irrelevant, just pointing out this opt-out thing is not honest game. As it results in a FLAT tax rate of 10%, so if you just want lower tax, just say it, you want 10% tax, don't hide it in this stupid game, or lies.
garytcw 11 months ago
It will be a trajedy if Mitt Romney wins the Republican presidential candidacy. There will still be no budget in America.
360TheaterOfPWN 11 months ago 2
Ron Paul is all that is reasonable. John Stossel is a libertarian too so I know he favors congressman
360TheaterOfPWN 11 months ago 2
Great fuckin American that Ron Paul is!
deadrepublicantv 11 months ago 2
"Do they want to depend on the responsible people in Washington?"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Brilliant!
deadrepublicantv 11 months ago
John Stossel and Ron Paul, two great Americans!
Deathfromthesky2112 11 months ago 2
As I said in another post, Dr. Paul's fan base, thanks to modern media and oppressive government tactics like the Patriot Act, is growing exponentially. In reporting class the other night, we were "asked" which political party we belonged to, and a full 2/3 said they aligned mostly with the Libertarian Party. And these are our future journalists! That's amazing.
kaylasdaddy55 11 months ago
Ron Paul? More like Ron Poop!
TerrorWarrior5000 11 months ago
@TerrorWarrior5000 Really? That's the best burn you can come up with? Ron Poop?
UNDguy1987 11 months ago
@UNDguy1987 To be fair, most people who don't like Ron Paul aren't very intelligent.
ChiefsFan581 10 months ago
We've got to get this man in office.
Ron Paul 2012!
4MyNation 1 year ago
Ron Paul 2012!! Get the frickin' government off my G-D back...I am nearly 57 years old and I am damned tired of the tyranny!!
watertonrivers 1 year ago
Convincing the American welfare society that it DOES have the power to succeed on its own will take time and effort. Convincing American government to get the hell out of the way and let it happen will take a miracle. That miracle begins with someone like Ron Paul in the White House who will do absolutely everything to let this happen.
America, you decide... freedom or slavery.
littlemisspissy 1 year ago
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mu5ickman 1 year ago
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mu5ickman 1 year ago
I would agree with Ron paul but , what about , lets say , i am working, doing everything on my own and get attacked by a bum or get hit by a car or some other tragedy , how will i pay the medical bills that will be in the 40, 50, 60 , thousands dollars . live in New York
MegaVladimir1988 1 year ago
Ron Paul wants to 9/11 our country and than start from the america revolutionary war lol. Osama Bin Laden would be happy with that.
JBBlitz 1 year ago
@JBBlitz
Well, it's difficult not to choose a revolution now, it's the only way to destroy the federal reserve.
SturmKorps 1 year ago
@SturmKorps that will not accomplish a thing alone. without the jobs and a friendly environment for business to start up, that is pointless and in effective and revolution will just cost more money and potentially make our country even worse.
JBBlitz 1 year ago
@JBBlitz
So what, it's the only way, total collapse, sounds good to me.
SturmKorps 1 year ago
Ive been listening to Ron Paul for years and he just said something profound that ive never heard from him before and that is the point about sad, demeaning and horrible it is for your high school and college kids to feel that without government telling them what to do and "giving" them the "needed" "support" they would not be able to function. That truly is sad and true, many people have this idea that without gov running their lives they would be worse off. The polar opposite is true
slickbtk 1 year ago
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HumanitoriumDOTcom 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 if you need all of these people to fund a bankrupt system, why don't you ask them to donate their money, maybe you will build a stronger community by communicating with your fellow citizens instead of using the government as the middle man to take from another by force.
HumanitoriumDOTcom 1 year ago
Individuals, groups, corporations shouldn't be able to use the government as a middle man to transfer/steal money from others. (but they have and will continue) individual rights, including the right to keep what you earn is the solution.
HumanitoriumDOTcom 1 year ago
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whothehellgivesadamn 1 year ago
Ron Paul? More like Ron Poop!
TerrorWarrior5000 1 year ago
I dream of the day when the goverment is not screwing the masses.
gunguy54 1 year ago
This is the stupidest man on the face of the earth. How do you opt out from the infrastructure? Yeah -- You opt out and pay a fee for fire department and a fee for police and a fee for EMT and a fee for driving on the roads and a fee for getting electricity and a fee to get water/sewer service and so on...
This is a red herring designed to stir the hearts of the weak minded fools who go for this idea that "every man for himself" is what the "founding fathers" had in mind.
cloudwaters 1 year ago
@cloudwaters
exactly. The American people have fought hard for things like child labor laws, unemployment compensation, and social security. These programs were made out of necessity and Paultards fail to see that. They think freedom means having some 18 year old, unmarried, childless idiot opt out of the system for life. Foolish for Ron Paul to even bring this up. A great disrespect to my great grandparents who suffered during the depression without any government help.
pennjersey83 1 year ago
"Thinking that 'I can't get anywhere unless the government takes care of me...' That is so sad..."
It really IS sad the mentality that kids have nowadays. Think of how awful education and healtchare have become since government became involved...
EddieSatan 1 year ago
Horrible idea. Bunch of 18 year old pitheads opting out. Then when they are 65 and disabled they will need government help. Children don;t know anything about community only out for themselves. Grow up ron paul nuts
pennjersey83 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 By that logic you should be against 18 year olds signing up for the military because they don't fully appreciate that they might loose their lives at the whims of politicians. The point is they have the option to decide for themselves as an individual the course of their lives and so should they for their financial situation.
Btw telling people to grow up is very immature. Perhaps you wouldn't be fit to decide such matters but the smarter of us shouldn't be held back by you.
BlindMaphisto 1 year ago
@BlindMaphisto
I am 28 years old and my general understanding of the world has greatly increased since I was an 18 year old young man. 18 year olds would opt out thinking "I can take care of myself without any help from society". 18 year olds have angst that grown adults don't have. They make foolish decisions that many adults dont make. Look at the music a typical 18 year old listens to. 18 yr olds without families are not capable of opting out for life. They know too little about life.
pennjersey83 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 but they are responsible enough to decide to join the army and potentially be killed. Get real.
MisterBig04 1 year ago
@MisterBig04
Look..You're a Paultard and I don't want to argue with you. Nothing I say will change your opinion. I will leave you one last comment. I joined the Air Force when I was 19, but I am much more responsible at age 28. The air force had a 4 year commitment. This proposal by Paul would allow a young, dumbass 18 year old to opt out of any public assistance for the rest of their life. No 18 year old is mature enough to make that decision. I would support a 6 year opt out at most.
pennjersey83 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 people can think for themselves. I'm sorry you have so little faith in yourself but I don't need anyone to think for me or take care of me. Bye.
MisterBig04 1 year ago
@MisterBig04
If you are under 30, you do need someone to take care of you. You are not as mature as you think you are. Bye
pennjersey83 1 year ago
@MisterBig04
opt out retard and good luck
pennjersey83 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 I'll never agree with the philosophy that the government has to protect you from yourself which is basically what your argument boils down to. Maybe I'll agree with 21 being the legal age of options but still think a free society should have such an option. Right now the best you can do is renounce your citizenship and move to another country and I can't think one many that don't tax more harshly and interfere just as much as the federal government.
BlindMaphisto 1 year ago
@BlindMaphisto
Opting out for life is off the table..sorry....later
pennjersey83 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 Never know what the future may bring.
BlindMaphisto 1 year ago
@BlindMaphisto
I hope the future doesnt contain a bunch of homeless senior citizens who decided to foolishly opt out of any government aid when they were 18 year old children. My ancestors fought very hard for social security. Read a history book. Bye now
pennjersey83 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 We're in two wars, the baby boomers are retiring and more people are locked in jail in american than any other country because of the drug war. If something doesn't give we might find ourselves in a situation where the elderly are opted out in order to save the system. Fact is the opt out stuff is just a passing fancy and not nearly the most important issue in front of us. With oil and later possibly food prices about to shoot up we might both find ourselves starving.
BlindMaphisto 1 year ago
@BlindMaphisto
Don't be so negative. Ron Paul hates Keynesian economics so greatly he will say anything to get it changed. America's debt is at its lowest percentage of GDP since ww2. This 10 percent unemployment we're facing is the same as the early 80's and we bounced back strong in the 90's. Iraq war and afghan war are significantly cheaper to fund than ww2. Libertarians want to remove things like child labor laws and everything Americans fought for during the last century.
pennjersey83 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 The thing about Ron Paul's understanding of economics is that he predicted so much of the current monetary crisis it's ridiculous. The man knows economics and a system that could avoid these bubbles needs to be considered seriously. As for Libertarians I only want to remove things that inhibit personal freedom and civil liberties which are the most important things Americans have ever fought for. I think we can do that and still protect children.
BlindMaphisto 1 year ago
@BlindMaphisto
Ron Paul has been saying the system is going to collapse since the 1970's. It hasn't happened. In fact, 20 years after Ron Paul began preaching his theories of collapse, America experienced the greatest boom in its history, the 1990's. Ron Paul is a OBGYN and knows little of economics. Libertarians want to remove things that THEY believe inhibits personal freedoms. They even think it's a personal freedom for people to shoot up heroin. Nope, heroin should be illegal.
pennjersey83 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 Even if it took him twenty years (he was more specific around 2006,7,8) he's still on the verge of being proven right. You you can't just look at a time when the market was good and pretend that we arn't in the situation that were in because of the bubbles created by the banks and then we bail them out.
BTW saying something that people want should be illegal is the same thing as saying this dangerous market should be controlled by criminals. Forbidden fruits are craved the most
BlindMaphisto 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 Here a fact;
With each monetary collapse during the last 100 years, the government replaces the system with a new one that's more controlled with more central authority. Usually monetary systems last about 40 - 45 years before they collapse under their own weight. Unless of course, they are a hard based sound money system that can last forever.Right now we are nearing the end of the third monetary system and collapse is imminent. Paul is correct.
mickeysears 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 It should be noted that these collapse are planned although no one is sure exactly when it will occur. It's just baked into the system like a fuse. The catalyst to take over the system to set up the boom and busts, The Federal Reserve System, happened in 1907. The second occured in 1944 following 2 planned booms and busts. It was called The Bretton Woods Agreement. When Bretton Woods broke down in 1971, we were put on a full Fiat Currency System. That was 40 years ago.
mickeysears 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 So in your mind, once an 18 year old person opts out of contributing to the government funds he won't contribute to his own retirement, the community, or help anyone else through direct charity? He will be selfish all his life and will all become a burden because without government involvement, noone can be successful? It seems that as a 28 year old you still have very little understanding of freedom and self reliance.
mickeysears 1 year ago 2
@mickeysears
Yes retard. Thats exatcly what I'm saying. If 2,000,000 18 year old Paultards opt out, I'd estimate that 5 percent will have enough money to survive by the time their in their 80's. And god forbid if any unexpectedness happen to them. Like being unemployed for an extended period of time. The majority of Paultards won't be successful and I bet 50 percent of you already use some kind of government assistance. Go head and opt out you moron I could care less.
pennjersey83 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 heres a translation of what you wrote, "I estimate that "insert fact out of my ass", then this will happen "insert fact out of my ass", then possibly this will happen "insert fact out of my ass". I be "insert fact out of my ass". Go head and opt out you moron I could care less."
Your such a joke man
MisterBig04 1 year ago 2
No, we did not consent to any of it. It is the politicians who did with false promises, like Obama's antiwar promises during his campaign. And what do you get? High pay for all govt workers, dirty-dealing labor unions, and more taxes...
focus21x 1 year ago
i like ron paul, but people are definitely NOT responsible with money. Smart people do need to tell dumb people what to do otherwise dumb people just cause trouble for everyone
saleri 1 year ago
@saleri give me all your money saleri and ill decide how you spend it ok? Do you trust I will spend it to better suit your needs than you would? Do you understand now?
MisterBig04 1 year ago
Ron Paul made so many better points in his CPAC speech. Yet that statement, which wasn't really a sincere proposal gets all the attention.
mcmonkey001 1 year ago
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NeoLiberalPoverty 1 year ago
as a fair reminder this just a rhetorical idealistic question ...a issue that may be debate but not mandatory....... the full details of the 10% idea just maybe considered...... just putting one of many options that can be set on the table of constitutional ideas go DR. RON PAUL! ^_^
DataSerpent 1 year ago
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moctezuma112 1 year ago
i believe this 10% tax sure beats the taxes we have now like the income tax, inflation tax and so on which is far more than 10%. he would bring the troops home meaning far less spending and increase the value of our dollar and all lower prices. my business would be booming.
hmmm yep i'll go for the 10% by far
RON PAUL 2012
moctezuma112 1 year ago
@moctezuma112 a few questions I have for you,
if your business did not have to pay the following, health care, license, a income tax,
I not sure what else a business has to pay
If you only had to do registration but not pay anything
If the people are willing to learn your job correctly before asking for pay
And anything else that saves your business money would you be more forth coming to give persons a job?
bazsohamster 1 year ago
@bazsohamster
well depending on the conditions and regulations we would still have to face? rent is still high, food, electric. i dont' want anything for free. i just want all prices to be lower so we can save more. there is no good in the income tax nor the inflation tax.
my answer is i would if all prices are low and/or more customers come because they can afford goods and services i offer.
why you ask?
moctezuma112 1 year ago
@moctezuma112 Well I have always had a theory that the more a business has to pay the more the can not hire workers and the economy can not grow,
I am seeing the argument being made that there is some that has accepted the brain washing, saying that a fair bit of business out there are evil of some sort when they voice there worries about having to pay more and more money,
bazsohamster 1 year ago
@moctezuma112 it is long well past over due on the teaching of economics one on one this sort of thing that was taught in the grade school once upon a time this idea and thinking has been shut down for a very long time.
bazsohamster 1 year ago
The role of the federal government is to protect us from Fraud and Foes. That's it.
RON PAUL 2012 !!!
iannetta11 1 year ago
Folks, As someone else also pointed out that it is an option ...if you do not like it you can still be paying taxes at the current rate ... so, given that I would like to hear as to how many ppl would like to opt out ...
LORDOFWARS8 1 year ago
Stossel should interview Hulk Hogan again and get body slammed again. He's such an ass and now he's pushing another fake news program.
thereallurker 1 year ago
That thing he said about the news article. It says that 21 year olds wont be mature enough not responsible enough to make that choice. BUT yet at 18!!!! not 21. You can make a choice to go to the army and maybe die for your country. So hey you can go die for us @ 18 but cant say no to medicare @ 21. Same with alcohol..... It doesn't make sense...
bboy310 1 year ago
Yea I'd go with 25% to wean initially the public off BIG gov't and into SMALL gov't, free civil liberty, reduced prices, robust job hires atmosphere. Only under emergency war or natural catastrophe would there be a bump-up but only temporarily.
jibbi4one 1 year ago
I like the 10% tax rate. But how about as much as 25%, capped there, during times of war?
Most Americans pay between 30&35% of their income in taxes, so this is still a tax reduction.
rashawn770 1 year ago
Ahem sorry let me rephrase that... I'll be a little nicer ;D
The audience is a bit "confused"... Especially the high school students. In a nut shell, "You don't have to opt out!" It's only an option. You can stay on food stamps and welfare and free student aid if you want. But me... I basically live like I'm already opted out, except I'm still paying income taxes at exorbitant rates. This opt out will lessen the burden on my back. It'll help a lot of people become independent of the sys.
izlude2 1 year ago
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izlude2 1 year ago
@MrDustock well public education is a as much a scam as social security. except in reverse. the older people pay for younger people's educations via taxation.
oldhacks 1 year ago
Yes but and one big but. The government rebate every dime with interest and inflation ajustment paid into it to fund my retirement , old age health care, and any other future benifit I have been taxed for without my consent.
fizzywool 1 year ago
@MrDustock so you think the majority of Americans are retarded? is that what you're telling me? or do they just need to be educated? but you're against public education aren't you? so how are they supposed to learn eco 101 if they don't have public schools that teach it? yes you are obviously a genius. we should just elect you president since you're so much smarter than everyone else.
oldhacks 1 year ago
AceHoale 1 year ago
@AceHoale Yea we can't have freedom because it might mean someone does better than someone else because of the effort they put in. And what's wrong with profitability. Profit is what's left over after deducting all costs. If there's no profit motive, as in publicly financed everything, there's no incentive for cost controls. Prices go up. And you don't pay the federal government for police and fire protection. This is one time where the commentors name truely matches his personality.
mickeysears 1 year ago
@mickeysears How come the top 400 earners in America made as much as the lowest 100.000.000?
That OK for you?
Profit is OK with me, as long as everyone stays sane.
Also I'm sorry to hear about your condition.
Peas.
AceHoale 1 year ago
@AceHoale if they earned it legitimately through the free market system without government intervention then yes it is perfectly OK and reasonable. It's only those who do not earn it that way that are at fault. You're confusing wealth in general, as it's methods of capital accumulation, either that of honest hard work and ingenuity or through some form of taxpayer subsidy, like the bailouts which were a joke.
adamhaye 1 year ago
@AceHoale Why do you care so much about what the top 400 earners made? Yea it's OK with me that people can earn more money than someone else. As long as I can earn the money I do without half of it going to the government so they can give it to someone that didn't earn it. It's the progressive income tax that bothers me. If we have to have a tax on income let it be a flat tax where everybody pays the same percent. How is that not fair?
mickeysears 1 year ago
RON PAUL 2012!!!
killergames187 1 year ago
Taking care of yourself is great... but then what of the people who can't? There are millions who DO depend on the system, and to remove the system from under them would cripple them. I'm afraid Ron Paul is just too caught up in the past :(
insaneapples 1 year ago
i love ron paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1paulmohill 1 year ago
I am disgusted by the way that Paul was shunned and dissed by the Young Americans for Freedom. IT goes top show that unless they're willing to rescind their decision to banish Paul, they have NO credibility! If that's the future of YAF, I say let's censure them! There are at least two better pro-liberty groups out there. Besides Campaign for Liberty, there is the Young Americans for Liberty.
thespeez 1 year ago
Ron Paul continues to propose sensible solutions to our nations problems... Thanks
And I hope everyone plans on donating a little the "LibertyPAC Presidents Day MoneyBomb" tomorrow
mkauai2 1 year ago
ooh the high school kids disagree. what a discerning knowledgeable group of the finest american youth
Jicim 1 year ago
If you save 10% of you income from age 25 to 65 and invested it you would have 3 times what SS will give you. No one can live on SS without other income.
quizerry 1 year ago
I like this idea, but this really shouldn't be his platform if he's planning on running in 2012
transistor311 1 year ago
The income for workers works on a post-tax scale. If you reduced the taxes, employers would just reduce the wages and take more home for themselves. This is a proven economic fact. Taxes really only limit how rich you can get, they don't affect the middle and lower classes.
djsinatra100 1 year ago
There are countries that are run like Ron Paul wants to run ours, and they're all hellholes.
djsinatra100 1 year ago
@djsinatra100 can u name an example? it would make the statement a little more credible.
fabregatoribio 1 year ago
Dr. Ron Paul for POTUS in 2012
Judge Andrew Napolitano for VPOTUS in 2012
Alan Keyes for Secretary Of State in 2012
Peter Schiff for Secretary of Treasury in 2012
Norman Schwarzkopf for Secretary of Defence in 2012
John Stossel for Press Secretary in 2012
ENDtheFED2012 1 year ago
I'm starting to doubt Stossal's street cred as a Libertarian after hearing him say we should have "free" high speed internet.
From that perspective, why would he not support free health care, or any other freebies he finds worthy of robbing his neighbors to produce?
Why is "free internet" more important than health care? Could it be because he knows that arguing for free health care would destroy his charade? He'll just slip this one in occasionally, and hope nobody notices.
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
Ron Paul is amazing!
Ron Paul for President 2012!
a4finger 1 year ago 21
Yes, it is about time that more young people turn out to support Ron Paul's concept of freedom. Freedom for them should mean first of all not to listen to their misguided socialist teachers. Make them learn to dig patoatoes if they don't even know how to raise carrots. Keep only the best of them to teach over the internet. Above/beneath all criticism dismiss all teachers unions, self-seeking parasites, who have no committment to educating the young.
focus21x 1 year ago 10
@focus21x Well said.
racehorse593 1 year ago
@focus21x I'm spreading Ron Paul's ideas around my school. Even those blind hardcore democrats who don't know anything of politics and are just democrats because it seems to be popular agree with Ron Paul ideas.
Paul 2012!
Maelstrom787 1 year ago
Great new ideas for a better country. Down with the stale old Republicans like the Nazi girl's husband and the war criminal, whatever was his name....
focus21x 1 year ago
Its time to exercise personal responsibility. Educate ourselves, earn a living, shop locally, and care for our families.
As long as you agree to pay an illegal IRS bill that subsidizes illegal private federal reserve interest and devaluations, illegal wars, illegal puppet dictatorships, illegal corrupt politicians, illegal global governance, illegal trade and illegal immigration and illegal employment, illegal weather weapons & manipulations - ITS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO LET IT ALL HAPPEN
mrscambuster1001 1 year ago
For a household of two working adults each earning on average 50K annually (100K/yr combined) this would result in about a 20% (20K savings PER YEAR).
That is an excellent trade off as most of those families do not receive $20,000 per year in benefits from the US Govt.
Over a 30 year period that is a total saving of $600,000 (obviousy more in terms of NPV) in which they could pay debt-free and invest for future needs minus out-of-pocket expenses of "govt services" - if any.
mrscambuster1001 1 year ago
Govt subsidizes critical functions like healthcare and education, means govt takes control. Govt corruption is then the number one problem. Lobbyist then take control of govt officials, legislation, courts, and public policy. Game over for the people, and that is what we have today.
The Obama healthcare law benefits big business by mandating healthcare insurance.
mrscambuster1001 1 year ago 3
And for each 10% opt out, the fed has to lower the debt ceiling for the loss of revenue. The war hawks can work at Walmart for money to empire build.
sunRsaturn 1 year ago
The only thing I have never understood about America is how they are so adamantly opposed to government subsidized Healthcare and Education. Considering the infinite number of Black-Holes that government pours money down the toilet on how, has it that the population has been poisoned against two of the key components of a healthy society? Everyone seems happy killing and waging war all over the planet and wasting trillions in the process but talk about taking care of people and your a commie?
TheFallenWon 1 year ago
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TheFallenWon 1 year ago
Look out Stossel. David Schultz is coming for ya!
Downfacingdog 1 year ago
ron paul accepting compromises? WTF!?!?
cjtherriault 1 year ago
@cjtherriault He said himself, that it was a rhetorical statement... not something that he's running on. Just because the rhetorical statement was a compromise doesn't mean that HE is going to compromise.
thedemoboy 1 year ago
I've opted out by reclaiming my sovereign indigenous rights and living in republic with like minded american nationals. Don't succumb to the pressures of USAinc.!!!!!
FairEnterprise 1 year ago
"WOW!"
Lol, I love Ron Paul.
308 vs. 3. It looks like the nanny state is failing.
MrDeathSmiles 1 year ago
@MrDeathSmiles yep. at least Someone here appreciates Democracy.
oldhacks 1 year ago
i just want to play devil's advocate on this. it is sad for sure that the kid who asked the question wants to depend on the government for financial aid. but doesn't he have a point? at the CURRENT tuition rates of colleges, how is anyone going to be able to afford those? i guess peter schiff would argue that if no more financial aid is given, colleges would HAVE to drastically cut down their costs? anyway, i hope RP runs.
wunderbeast 1 year ago
@wunderbeast same reason I can't eat lobster every night, if you can't afford it then you will not get it. Everyone is not guaranteed a high level college education by the constitution. Additionally with the Austrian free market system if less and less people can go to college then those tuition rates will plummet.
MisterBig04 1 year ago
@MisterBig04 this is true. frankly, i think kids should be looking into more affordable schools where you wouldn't need loans. when i was in high school, i was convinced by my parents and society that i HAD to go to schools like NYU, columbia, dartmouth etc. there's a lot of societal pressure to be accepted to those colleges.
wunderbeast 1 year ago
@wunderbeast When the government subsidizes education, the cost of education rises. Think how it would work in a free market system. If colleges charged too much then seats would go empty. Airlines, hotels, and theaters fix that problem. Empty seats mean lost revenue. So they let seats go for less to fill them up (put butts in the seats). Costs would come down to market rates. When government insures loans so more people can go to school, you get more kids than seats. Demand pushes prices up.
mickeysears 1 year ago
@MrDustock I say abolish the congress. and the senate. and the presidency. we don't need em. we can govern ourselves by ballot.
oldhacks 1 year ago
@MrDustock so Ron Paul is like your nanny? protecting you from me? srsly?
oldhacks 1 year ago
75% of the people in this country want something for nothing. Unbelievable.
czubspenx 1 year ago
@MrDustock so you trust Ron Paul and the government more than yourself and the public? well then why complain?
oldhacks 1 year ago
@MrDustock he works for the government. how can you be against something and be hired by it at the same time?
oldhacks 1 year ago
ron paul works for the government. fact.
oldhacks 1 year ago
@oldhacks Actually he works for the people in his district, but yes he gets paid by Uncle Sam. Also he introduced a bill for congress to take a pay cut (obviously he diden't get many votes in favor) and he return certain percentage of his pay every year.
fabregatoribio 1 year ago
@fabregatoribio so you're saying he's for democracy? He's strictly a voice of the people? well then how come he's against direct democracy? if he's there for the people, why not just let "the people" speak or themselves by a vote?
oldhacks 1 year ago
@oldhacks We live in a democratic republic, that means our representatives are voted in by the people, so yes he is the voice of the people in his district, they have voted for him consistently. He is against direct democracy because we are a REPUBLIC with means yes majority rules as long as it follows the rule of law of this land, which is the constitution. So if is not in the constitution he wont vote for it. A Direct Democracy is dangerous because it doesn't protect individual rights.
fabregatoribio 1 year ago
@fabregatoribio our republic is anything BUT democratic. each election we are given the choice "what do you like best? piss or shit?" THATS NOT A CHOICE! the only way you can get elected is by raising MILLIONS of dollars from the special interest groups, while going around giving speeches about how you're going to take the special groups on. we have no representatives, only corporate america gets representation in this country.
oldhacks 1 year ago
@oldhacks The tea party has been pretty successful in voting out establishment candidates, and I kind of disagree because is not the system fault, is the people who don't give a damn about their country and are more worried about football, jersey shore, crap music ect and don't take the time to educate themselves to make a proper choice but I do agree that when in comes to presidential elections u are very right. That is the reason we got to start locally.
fabregatoribio 1 year ago
@fabregatoribio the tea baggers are a joke.and it IS the systems fault. the founding fathers screwed all of us when the only right they gave us was to the right to complain (freedom of speech). the constitution granted them full authority and the very first thing they did was enact laws to PROTECT slavery. the federal government is ran,owned, and operated by the Elites. And it always has been. in the early days it was slave owners, now it's industrialists.
oldhacks 1 year ago
@oldhacks well that is just your opinion, the founders gave you the second amendment not only the freedom of speech, it gave the citizen the possibility to overthrow their government by force if necessary but like i said, people in the united states have been more worried about celebrities than their own personal freedoms and government so they got what they deserve. Anyways, you must like Paul to a degree he is trying to get rid of the federal reserve (elite private bankers)
fabregatoribio 1 year ago
@oldhacks Exactly, why do you think we have the bullshit electoral system? Because the founding fathers were a bunch of elitists who thought people couldn't make decisions for themselves.
Thadigitalkid 1 year ago
@Thadigitalkid Ding Ding Ding! Finally someone in this comment section that can think for himself! bravo.
oldhacks 1 year ago
@oldhacks haha thank you man. The American political system is all smoke and mirrors. It was so cleverly contrived by the Founding Fathers to be that way that no one has figured it out. Or was it the founding fathers? Was it the loss of the confederacy during the civil war which eventually put us in our place today? There is no American Freedom, only American occupation and deception.
Thadigitalkid 1 year ago
@Thadigitalkid Right!!!!
You're the only one that's figured out that The American Political System is all smoke and mirrors? You must be a genius. But what's interesting is that your unsurmountable genius also believes that the original government our founding fathers set up is the same one we have today. If you believe that, then genius is NOT the word I would use to discribe you. Our Founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves over what we've done to the gift they gave us.
mickeysears 1 year ago
@mickeysears It doesn't take a genius to figure out most governments are not for the, but for the government itself. The founding fathers I believe had SOME good intentions but not all. They knew that there talk and bravado would when over win over the people, and IT STILL DOES. You're an example of a person who has trouble believing that a country supposedly marked for freedom is built on whitewash. I still believe the American is great, but I believe our current state is not where it could be
Thadigitalkid 1 year ago
@Thadigitalkid People*
Thadigitalkid 1 year ago
@Thadigitalkid ". You're an example of a person who has trouble believing that a country supposedly marked for freedom is built on whitewash."
I think you're wrong. When America was born it was the most liberal idea ever heard in its day. The idea that people can government themselves, everyone is equal, and no one was above the law in a day where every other country was a monarchy or dictatorship. I think this country WAS marked for freedom. The whitewash came later.
mickeysears 1 year ago
@mickeysears Also, I believe there is no way to avoid a government being not in control of a certain elite, because that is just how human nature is. The best provided lead, the least will be conquered.
Thadigitalkid 1 year ago
@Thadigitalkid this comment should be top rated, seriously.
oldhacks 1 year ago
@oldhacks but anyways I recommend you watch some videos of republic vs democracy so u can get a better understanding, ill for sure explain it better than I can in this small boxes.
fabregatoribio 1 year ago
@fabregatoribio I Started the representative government versus democracy debate on youtube! ask anyone!
oldhacks 1 year ago
@oldhacks A full democracy is not a republic. In a democracy, 51% of the population rules the other 49%. So if 51% voted to take the money or some rights of the other 49%, democracy dictates that's OK. In a repsentative republic, you can't vote to take someones rights away no matter how many votes you have. In a presidential election, the majority of votes occur on the coasts. The entire center of the country would have no representation and candidates would never campaign there.
mickeysears 1 year ago
@mickeysears democracy and republic mean the same thing. Law and Order. %51 of Americans are thoughtful human beings. "in a rep republic you can't vote right away"??? what about the Patriot Act?! not to mention, 120,000,000 registered voters. so roughly %40. so it would actually be only 60,000,000 Americans enacting laws. the most informed and diligent of our society. ppl like you and me, ppl that actually care enough to go vote. also, why do you fear your own country?
oldhacks 1 year ago
@oldhacks A democracy and a republic are not the same thing. The Patriot Act is anti-constitutional and sooner or later will be repealed. And 60 million people might decide the elections but they are not enacting laws. You can't blame that on the people that vote. If the other don't want to participate then they should shut up and not complain. And I cartainly don't fear my country. I'm proud of it. finally people are starting to wake up and get involved. It took 100 years but it's here.
mickeysears 1 year ago
@oldhacks i agree
RonPaulIsiah 1 year ago
The sad thing is that Medicare, Social Security even the postal service are BROKE!! so eventually you won't op-out but you wont be able to receive this services or the quality of them will go lower than what they already are. The government has a track record of failing why keep the same policies? madness i say!!!!
fabregatoribio 1 year ago
$300 for a semester? If I could earn 10-15k a semester I would gladly pay my own way through college. As it stands right now... We suffer from a serious lack of education. And putting yourself 100k in debt isn't exactly motivating a lot of people to learn.
We're quickly becoming a world where an education is one of the most valuable assets. High school doesn't cut it anymore in a world market.
Ron Paul, you're on the right track, but you still have a little ways to go.
me259259 1 year ago
@me259259 In that case it would be better for that individual not to op-out. Or do what i did, join the army or other service branch for 3 years and get your GI-Bill or go into the reserves if you don't want to do all that time. Plus, you'll feel better about yourself if you know u earned yours instead of expecting a handout.
fabregatoribio 1 year ago
@fabregatoribio Isn't joining a branch of the service doing the same thing? Yes, you are paying for your education with your service and commitment to the country... However, the government is paying for your armed service training, and your education. It's not like your service earns the government the money to pay for the education like a regular job does. In a sick sense, it's still kind of like a government handout.
me259259 1 year ago
@fabregatoribio I agree, those who want an education shouldn't opt out. However, if everyone who wanted an education could afford it, we wouldn't need the government to provide financial aid in the first place. The opt-out program would have the same effect as if we cut all of those programs.
In the end, we need to decide what is important. If education is important to our country as a whole, we should fund it. If not, then we shouldn't. It's as simple as that.
me259259 1 year ago
@me259259 If "we" fund it, education will continue to dumb down Americans. Why do almost no Americans understand economics and finance? Why do Americans not understand that the U.S. bullies the world and arms dictators? Why are Americans stuck on junk food and consumerism? That's what they've been educated for. Anything the government "provides" with a fraction of the money they take from us, is always of poor quality, since the gov. has a monopoly with no competition, loves bureaucracy
leafwatch 1 year ago
@me259259 I wouldn't call it a handout, specially if your deploy your working 12-15 months 7days a week 12 hour a day, is more like an incentive that they give you to attract people to join, sense the pay is not all that. Yeah the work doesn't directly provide the government with any cash but the country needs armed forces anyways so instead of a higher pay they provide us with a lot of benefits which in the long run is cheaper for them bc only 20% of veterans end up using their GI Bill.
fabregatoribio 1 year ago