@GallagherWellerBrown Taylor's basic decency makes him a very likable person. He just found himself out of his depth with the England job. Not necessarily because of the standard of international football or even his own mistakes so much - Egil Olsen got Norway to 2nd place in FIFA's rankings with weaker players and the same long-ball style - but because of the broader culture of English football.
Crap to work with? Under his reign he had Lineker, Gazza (albeit injured for large chunks), Shearer (same again), David Platt, David Seaman (before he turned into a calamity in his older age he was a classy GK), Chris Waddle, Tony Adams, Ian Wright, Teddy Sheringham, Bryan Robson-I could go on but you get teh point. It is the basis of a decent team. May be world beaters but should be more than strong enough to qualify for the WC!!!!
@TeamOfThe80s Lineker and Robson were coming to the end of their careers. Players like Ian Wright, Teddy Sheringham and David Seaman were not established internationals at that point. Added to that, a number of key players suffered injuries.
@tomd2103 Indeed. It was stupid to think of Italia 90 as laying down any sort of solid foundations. With a couple of exceptions, that was a squad largely at their peak (or already past it). And even the younger players never lived up to their potential for reasons that had nothing to do with Taylor.
he should never had been given the job - never won anything as a player or a manager. 1990 Howard Kendall - had won an FA Cup, 2 league titles and a European Trophy in a 6 year period - he was far more qualified.
@duckwrangler Previous glories only go so far though. Don Revie achieved more than Kendall did. Capello is a Champions League winner! Alex Ferguson fucked up the Scotland job. My own personal pick for England would be Roy Hodgson, yet you might point out that his record at club level is the same as 'Wally' McClaren's.
England have always had outstanding individual players... the problem is a succession of average managers since 1970. Appoint a top manager (so no English), one can speak English and also understand the strengths of English players (no Capello), and one who can solve the age old problem of getting the notoriously divided English players united (discarding all club/regional differences) and performing as a team.. then finally England will have a chance. Until then.. quarters at best.
I actually came out of this documentary liking and respecting Taylor more than I'd been led to believe he was worth. Sure, he's no Brian Clough, but he knows his...erm...onions and is a fundamentally decent bloke.
beats me why the old farts at the F A seem to get away with critisism. About time we had somebody in charge of football in this country who has knowledge of the game instead of old hangers on getting paid for nowt. Of course they wont give up cushy money when there is always someone else to carry the can
Piss poor training, piss poor coaching, mediocre players, uneducated supporters/media, and an over-reliance on Paul Gascoigne for any kind of creativity.
I feel sorry fro Graham he was a thouroughly decent man who was realistically out of his depth . . and he wasnt good enough . but the treatment he got was awful.
Taylor is a comedy genius!! you watch this whole documentary..and its so bloody funny-how he swears, the things he says, his tactial knowledge is quite basic shall we say...but the players were a fucking a disgrace...arrogant idiots...and at the end..you feel sorry for Graham...hes got more respect from me after watching this...
Taylor is a comedy genius!! you watch this whole documentary..and its so bloody funny-how he swears, the things he says, his tactial knowledge is quite basic shall we say...but the players were a fucking a disgrace...arrogant idiots...and at the end..you feel sorry for Graham...hes got more respect from me after watching this...
@guv859 what!? david batty was a great centre midfielder for years, he won the premiership twice and is a leeds and blackburn legend not to mention a fans favourite at newcastle, and dorigo was class - he was one of the fastest players in the league, was great for years at leeds and won the premier league with them also, he should have had alot more caps once he took pearce's place but unluckily tore his hamstring! as for walker and palmer you probably right there!
That showed what a bad manager he was - He picked crap players ahead of better ones. He wasn't obliged to play Palmer and Sinton. He had more than enough to qualify. This wasn't the worst generation of English football, just the era when the worst footballers of the time represented England. There is a huge difference. The blame for that goes straight to Taylor. Not picking Beardo for god's sake... Says it all.
Bollocks. He had Shearer, Gazza, Adams, Barnes, Platt, Flowers, Seaman, Keown, Pearce, Batty, Ince, Ian Wright, Mark Wright, Beardsley, Des Walker, Sheringham, Clough, youngsters like McManaman and Le Saux. He had no excuse for not qualifying. People that write things like. "He had no chance of qualifying with crap like Palmer, Sinton and Dorigo" (Who wasn't half bad) are completely missing the point..
hard to believe they chose him over brian clough for the job....clough was old but you can guarantee he would of got more out of that bad squad than taylor,the biggest indictment of a managers ability is the attitude his players show on the pitch,it was quite clear that they didnt give a fuck...especially gazza and des walker
Absolute garbage. First of all, Cloughie was an alcoholic by the time Taylor was in charge. There was no way in hell that he was fit to be England manager. Secondly, I have not heard a bad word said about Taylor by any of the players he managed, apart from Gary "sour grapes" Lineker.
Its hilarious as he says 'you have to be mentally tough to be in this job' you see him bickering with some yobbo fans and the danish player has to pull him away haha
I agree with other comments about Taylor, he demonstrates a good understanding of the game and was passionate and patriotic, and still is when he commentates on England matches on the radio. He wasnt the problem, he had yes men like Phil Neal (look at him copying on 3.06) and the worst generation of England players available to him. Geoff Thomas? Nigel Clough?Sharpe? Curle? Salako? Webb?
When Fergie sells Sharpe while hes still young it means hes not good enough. Shame on us.
I think this progaramme, while be entertaining enough, was harsh on Taylor, and as previous comments have alluded, he had a shit backroom staff, idiots like Phil Neal and yesterday men like Lawrie Mcmenemy, no wonder it was the impossible job.
Taylor was too honest, a good guy with a noose around his neck. With a shit backroom staff and shit players like Palmer giving it the large, he has no chance. English football at this time was absolute shite.
I think its a disgrace the abuse some of our past england managers get from the fans,its only a fucking game,yeah i get really emotional when england play but at the end of the day that manager would like nothing more than to lift the world cup with england.
It wasn't Taylor's fault that England were so bad (and not helped by a bent referee in Holland). This was the worst generation of footballer's England has ever known. Dorigo, Carlton Palmer, an amazingly slow Des Walker, Dvid Batty, an absent and injured Alan Shearer ... He had crap to work with.
He picked players that weren't international class and played them out of position. Of course it was his fault. Sharpe at full back in Norway? Keith Curle at left back against the pace of Denmark in a massive game???? Behave
@guv859 you could say that about mclaren but taylor never picked the best team - leaving out (european player of the year) waddle and beardsley etc was crazy, his team selection was crap.
You're right. I remember how Des Walker was touted by the British Press as one of the best defenders in the world, yet he completely fell apart against Norway. Remember how he remonstrated with the referee, whilst the Norwegian player raced behind him with the ball and scored?
@a121509 Des had one bad game - moment even - and never played for England again - a bit harsh given how good he was and how he kept Sheffield Wednesday from getting battered week in and week out!
@guv859 what!? david batty was a great centre midfielder for years, he won the premiership twice and is a leeds and blackburn legend not to mention a fans favourite at newcastle, and dorigo was class - he was one of the fastest players in the league, was great for years at leeds and won the premier league with them also, he should have had alot more caps once he took pearce's place but unluckily tore his hamstring! as for walker and palmer you probably right there!
@guv859 what!? david batty was a great centre midfielder for years, he won the premiership twice and is a leeds and blackburn legend not to mention a fans favourite at newcastle, and dorigo was class - he was one of the fastest players in the league, was great for years at leeds and won the premier league with them also, he should have had alot more caps once he took pearce's place but unluckily tore his hamstring! as for walker and palmer you probably right there!
@guv859 Yeah, but he ignored good proven talent - Chris Waddle, Pedro Beardsley, Steve Bull were frozen out by him and replaced by carlton palmer, Geoff Tomas, Andy Sinton, the manager must take the blame for me.
@guv859 Russbish! He picked the wrong players. He had Platt, Gascoigne, Waddle, Le Tissier, Ince, Merson, Pearce, Adams, Seaman, Keown, Shearer...loads of great players. He made ridiculous decisions, like playing Carlton Palmer or subbing Lineker for Alan Smith.
@guv859 Russbish! He picked the wrong players. He had Platt, Gascoigne, Waddle, Le Tissier, Ince, Merson, Pearce, Adams, Seaman, Keown, Shearer...loads of great players. He made ridiculous decisions, like playing Carlton Palmer or subbing Lineker for Alan Smith.
@GallagherWellerBrown Lineker had retired, Shilton retired even earlier (right after the 3rd/4th place play-off in 1990), Sherringham didn't emerge until later, Barnes was poor for every England manager, Waddle was even older than Beardsley by this time, Sherringham was an unknown quantity till he was picked by Venables, and Gazza was injured most of the time.
@guv859 Barnes was at his best in the 1980s, a time of ferocious racism in English football, booed at every away ground ,bananas thrown on the field, and was "the Jamaican" who never felt welcome playing for England. Shameful
Seaman was a superior keeper to shilton (the German equaliser in Turin 1990 was shocking goalkeeping as was his diabolical attempts in the shoot-out). Ian Wright (another black who suffered with England) was at his peak in 93. England had the players, not the coach
@guv859 you are talking shite,england had some quality players at that time, the players you mention were quality apart from palmer who was shite-dorigo won the championship as did batty aswell as playing in a world cup and two european competition semi finals and an fa cup final.des walker played for one of the best sides in the best league in the world at the time. you talk shit lad
@wozwozzer Behave and shut the fuck up. Most of England's best players were injured or had retired. Not that you'd know, being obviously about ten (mentally, if not physically). Des Walker could hardly get a game for Forest soon after the World Cup, and ended up at Sheffield Wednesday.
@wozwozzer Really Dorigo an intermational player have a word with yourself, though i agree Taylor was out of his depth and was the safe option in 1990 when Kendall of Clough would have done a better job!!!.
@guv859 Let's not forget cry baby Gascoigne. Might have been a decent midfield player, but his self importance and snivelling, feel sorry for himself attitude didn't help England.
Taylor just wasnt up to the job, end of. That said in my opinion hes no worse than Maclaren, who in my view had a more tallented pool of players to pick from. Still Phil Neal aint half entertaining!!!CARLTON CARLTON!!!HA HA!!!
you're defending Graham Taylor, and I'm the one not thinking before I speak? he was one of the worst England managers in history, we're well shot of him and his ilk and you're an idiot
Oh shoot me down, i spelt curle with a K, how very dare i! I agree that we are better off without him being manager. My point was he got hammered and crucified way to much.
you implied he had to pick curle and dorigo, although you can't even spell curle's name. he didn't have to pick them, obviously, he had loads of better players. he picked andy sinton ahead of chris waddle, for example. WHy drop Chris Waddle? And Carlton Palmer played in central midfield, with Gazza pushed right. Why? And Dorigo ahead of Keown or Parker. And he played flat 442 long ball tactics with a big target man, when italia 90 had proved that strategy useless. and barnes got 79 caps for Eng
bad players? all he had was curle and dorigo? eh? gazza, ince, pearce, barnes, platt, adams, wright, shearer, ian wright, waddle (ludicrously dropped most of the time)
Where did i say he ONLY had curle and dorigo? You mentioned 10 players there, it takes 11 to make a team, shearer was badly injured in the qualifiers, adams-brilliant footballer but always crocked, wright never quite did it for england, barnes-brilliant for liverpool but shite for england. Think before you speak
he still had a pretty good side at his disposal. not world beaters but good enough to qualify for a flamin world cup tournament. there was some good keepers about, likes of nigel martyn, seaman. centre halfs dont come much better than adams, keown,walker, pallister, stuart pearce. talented midfields like gazza, ince, platt, waddle, barnes. strikers like sheringham, ferdinand, shearer, ian wright. if he cant get that team to qualify then its a shit performance/tactics by him.
fair enough when you put it like that, BUT, most of them players were not what they turned out to be then, even Adams.....Sheringham was only good from 98 onwards, Barnes was past his best, Walker hardly able to walk, Ferdinand was nothing until 96.........not saying we were shit and he was blameless, but them players were not all that during his time their,,,,,,,,,,,as proved cos they played utter dog shit......Andy Sinton for fucks sake.........
Look at the players he had to chose from at that time, shilton had gone, so had butcher, lineker also. In come palmer, kurle, dorigo, no mangaer could have got that shower of shit to qualify. Taylor was and still is a very humble and decent man who got unfairly slaughtered.
Just Watching the 1st Minute of that had me Pissing Myself! "CARLTON We're Losing our Shape, TONY!" This is on again on ITV4 at 11pm! The Impossible Job it's Called! England really did have some shit players in the team back then! Considering how well they did in 90W.C and Euro96 makes the "in between" period all the more Random!
I wonder how England would do now with Holland, Turkey, Poland and Norway in our qualifying group?? Bar the recent Croatia result, I would suggest that we would not qualify now either!! Watching this film has made me realise how useless McMenemy and Neal were!!
Definately and with Subtitles! Because at some points in the program it's hard to hear what some of the players are saying to each other! Dodgy Mike work or just general mumbling!
In hindsight, Graham Taylor should have probably never agreed to do this programme.
tomd2103 3 months ago
CARLTON!!!!
midierror 3 months ago
I don't know why, but I actually quite like Graham Taylor, even though this documentary showed him up to be totally incompetent at his job.
GallagherWellerBrown 4 months ago
@GallagherWellerBrown Taylor's basic decency makes him a very likable person. He just found himself out of his depth with the England job. Not necessarily because of the standard of international football or even his own mistakes so much - Egil Olsen got Norway to 2nd place in FIFA's rankings with weaker players and the same long-ball style - but because of the broader culture of English football.
kisbie 1 month ago
Crap to work with? Under his reign he had Lineker, Gazza (albeit injured for large chunks), Shearer (same again), David Platt, David Seaman (before he turned into a calamity in his older age he was a classy GK), Chris Waddle, Tony Adams, Ian Wright, Teddy Sheringham, Bryan Robson-I could go on but you get teh point. It is the basis of a decent team. May be world beaters but should be more than strong enough to qualify for the WC!!!!
TeamOfThe80s 5 months ago
@TeamOfThe80s U MEAN GAZZA RAOUL MOAT'S BESSIE MATE
DAJAZDJ1 4 months ago
@TeamOfThe80s Lineker and Robson were coming to the end of their careers. Players like Ian Wright, Teddy Sheringham and David Seaman were not established internationals at that point. Added to that, a number of key players suffered injuries.
tomd2103 3 months ago
@tomd2103 Indeed. It was stupid to think of Italia 90 as laying down any sort of solid foundations. With a couple of exceptions, that was a squad largely at their peak (or already past it). And even the younger players never lived up to their potential for reasons that had nothing to do with Taylor.
kisbie 1 month ago
Surely we should have qualified with that squad we had
HarryTaylor91 6 months ago
I wonder if Graham Taylor thinks of the word TURNIP every day?
Will there ever be a time when he walks past the veg shelves in the supermarket and doesn't twitch in fear?
MrShempenman 7 months ago
Can we not knock it?
dbg3006 8 months ago
he should never had been given the job - never won anything as a player or a manager. 1990 Howard Kendall - had won an FA Cup, 2 league titles and a European Trophy in a 6 year period - he was far more qualified.
duckwrangler 8 months ago
@duckwrangler Previous glories only go so far though. Don Revie achieved more than Kendall did. Capello is a Champions League winner! Alex Ferguson fucked up the Scotland job. My own personal pick for England would be Roy Hodgson, yet you might point out that his record at club level is the same as 'Wally' McClaren's.
kisbie 7 months ago
@kisbie Roy Hodgson is a brain dead retard. My arse could do a better job managing England than that cunt.
FinnSolomon 1 month ago
Love It
r4h4al 9 months ago
Taylor made some mistakes but he had more passion for the team than Sven.
BejnXander 10 months ago
England have always had outstanding individual players... the problem is a succession of average managers since 1970. Appoint a top manager (so no English), one can speak English and also understand the strengths of English players (no Capello), and one who can solve the age old problem of getting the notoriously divided English players united (discarding all club/regional differences) and performing as a team.. then finally England will have a chance. Until then.. quarters at best.
Ali74 10 months ago
Always a pleasure to hear his analysis on Five Live as well. More than makes up for Alan Green's pathetic whining.
kisbie 11 months ago
I actually came out of this documentary liking and respecting Taylor more than I'd been led to believe he was worth. Sure, he's no Brian Clough, but he knows his...erm...onions and is a fundamentally decent bloke.
kisbie 11 months ago
beats me why the old farts at the F A seem to get away with critisism. About time we had somebody in charge of football in this country who has knowledge of the game instead of old hangers on getting paid for nowt. Of course they wont give up cushy money when there is always someone else to carry the can
robinlincs 1 year ago
Piss poor training, piss poor coaching, mediocre players, uneducated supporters/media, and an over-reliance on Paul Gascoigne for any kind of creativity.
At least it's better now. Oh, wait . . .
everton777 1 year ago
cheers mate for uploading this - as a 44 year old ex-pat livig in boston ma., this is a real friday night treat. thank you.
MrStu1966 1 year ago 2
@MrStu1966 wheres whitey?
SmackNcrack01 1 year ago
@SmackNcrack01 i saw him working the 3rd shift at dunkins just the other day...
MrStu1966 1 year ago
ALL managers are out of depth in the England job.
shakercoola 1 year ago
I feel sorry fro Graham he was a thouroughly decent man who was realistically out of his depth . . and he wasnt good enough . but the treatment he got was awful.
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Taylor is a comedy genius!! you watch this whole documentary..and its so bloody funny-how he swears, the things he says, his tactial knowledge is quite basic shall we say...but the players were a fucking a disgrace...arrogant idiots...and at the end..you feel sorry for Graham...hes got more respect from me after watching this...
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Taylor is a comedy genius!! you watch this whole documentary..and its so bloody funny-how he swears, the things he says, his tactial knowledge is quite basic shall we say...but the players were a fucking a disgrace...arrogant idiots...and at the end..you feel sorry for Graham...hes got more respect from me after watching this...
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@guv859 what!? david batty was a great centre midfielder for years, he won the premiership twice and is a leeds and blackburn legend not to mention a fans favourite at newcastle, and dorigo was class - he was one of the fastest players in the league, was great for years at leeds and won the premier league with them also, he should have had alot more caps once he took pearce's place but unluckily tore his hamstring! as for walker and palmer you probably right there!
lucad11 1 year ago
thanks for uploading!
jamiep7 1 year ago
Taylor may have failed.....but he will go down as a legend for this programme.
BravoBoogle 1 year ago 8
That showed what a bad manager he was - He picked crap players ahead of better ones. He wasn't obliged to play Palmer and Sinton. He had more than enough to qualify. This wasn't the worst generation of English football, just the era when the worst footballers of the time represented England. There is a huge difference. The blame for that goes straight to Taylor. Not picking Beardo for god's sake... Says it all.
JimmyMc1979 1 year ago
Bollocks. He had Shearer, Gazza, Adams, Barnes, Platt, Flowers, Seaman, Keown, Pearce, Batty, Ince, Ian Wright, Mark Wright, Beardsley, Des Walker, Sheringham, Clough, youngsters like McManaman and Le Saux. He had no excuse for not qualifying. People that write things like. "He had no chance of qualifying with crap like Palmer, Sinton and Dorigo" (Who wasn't half bad) are completely missing the point..
JimmyMc1979 1 year ago
Look at Gazza 4.38-4.32. Genius player, but evidence at every turn of psychological issues.
myfanwy7 1 year ago
hard to believe they chose him over brian clough for the job....clough was old but you can guarantee he would of got more out of that bad squad than taylor,the biggest indictment of a managers ability is the attitude his players show on the pitch,it was quite clear that they didnt give a fuck...especially gazza and des walker
clarkey21211 1 year ago
@clarkey21211
Absolute garbage. First of all, Cloughie was an alcoholic by the time Taylor was in charge. There was no way in hell that he was fit to be England manager. Secondly, I have not heard a bad word said about Taylor by any of the players he managed, apart from Gary "sour grapes" Lineker.
a121509 1 year ago
So many parrallels between 90s england team and the current crop
Rooney = Gazza = the one genius always injured when england needs them most
Terry = Adams = the old fashioned centre half who kicks lumps out of everyone and yells at referee when things go wrong
Ferdinand = Walker = out of sorts and form ball playing graceful centre back
Defoe = Ferdinand = looks sporadically promising at international level but somehow doesnt seem at home
Walcott = Daley = shit winger with pace only
MrSayitagain 1 year ago
IS THIS THAT MIKE BASSETT FILM??
ogfunk187 1 year ago 5
I hate the english mentality GET HIM OUT GET HIM OUT!!!!
Could the press and the fans not see that the england side was way below standard. It wasn't Taylor's fault
kingelnino9 1 year ago
Its hilarious as he says 'you have to be mentally tough to be in this job' you see him bickering with some yobbo fans and the danish player has to pull him away haha
innit27 1 year ago
I agree with other comments about Taylor, he demonstrates a good understanding of the game and was passionate and patriotic, and still is when he commentates on England matches on the radio. He wasnt the problem, he had yes men like Phil Neal (look at him copying on 3.06) and the worst generation of England players available to him. Geoff Thomas? Nigel Clough?Sharpe? Curle? Salako? Webb?
When Fergie sells Sharpe while hes still young it means hes not good enough. Shame on us.
Mikez4 1 year ago
I think this progaramme, while be entertaining enough, was harsh on Taylor, and as previous comments have alluded, he had a shit backroom staff, idiots like Phil Neal and yesterday men like Lawrie Mcmenemy, no wonder it was the impossible job.
manuelnegrete 2 years ago
that was sly on taylor
ste7836scouser 2 years ago
gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
8Bigdaddycool 2 years ago
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
8Bigdaddycool 2 years ago
Taylor was too honest, a good guy with a noose around his neck. With a shit backroom staff and shit players like Palmer giving it the large, he has no chance. English football at this time was absolute shite.
RUBBERMOOG 2 years ago
Gazza and Palmer didn't have a brain cell to round between them
SoiCowboy2 2 years ago
I think its a disgrace the abuse some of our past england managers get from the fans,its only a fucking game,yeah i get really emotional when england play but at the end of the day that manager would like nothing more than to lift the world cup with england.
Jockster2007 2 years ago
The summer of 1994 was the worst summer of my life,please god let england get to south africa.
Jockster2007 2 years ago
It wasn't Taylor's fault that England were so bad (and not helped by a bent referee in Holland). This was the worst generation of footballer's England has ever known. Dorigo, Carlton Palmer, an amazingly slow Des Walker, Dvid Batty, an absent and injured Alan Shearer ... He had crap to work with.
guv859 2 years ago 18
He picked players that weren't international class and played them out of position. Of course it was his fault. Sharpe at full back in Norway? Keith Curle at left back against the pace of Denmark in a massive game???? Behave
SoiCowboy2 2 years ago 3
@SoiCowboy2
Lee Sharpe played full back for Manchester United at times too.
mofi500 1 year ago
@SoiCowboy2 Let it go boys, let it go.
DangerSteve 1 year ago
@SoiCowboy2 Let it go boys, let it go.
DangerSteve 1 year ago
@SoiCowboy2
Keith Curle was one of the quickest players in the league, so this mythical 'pace' that the Danes had shouldn't have been the issue.
Who would you have played at left back btw? Sharpe also played full back many times, it's where he started his career in fact.
You don't know very much.
1878EFC2008 11 months ago
@1878EFC2008 Quickest and shittest
duncabbin 5 months ago
@guv859 you could say that about mclaren but taylor never picked the best team - leaving out (european player of the year) waddle and beardsley etc was crazy, his team selection was crap.
ogfunk187 1 year ago
@guv859 Batty was an excellent footballer. Did you ever watch him play or just assume he was rubbish?
JimmyMc1979 1 year ago
Des World was one of the best defenders at the 1990 world cup even the current are doing just as rubbish has taylor's reign at the moment
paul2008uk 1 year ago
@guv859
You're right. I remember how Des Walker was touted by the British Press as one of the best defenders in the world, yet he completely fell apart against Norway. Remember how he remonstrated with the referee, whilst the Norwegian player raced behind him with the ball and scored?
a121509 1 year ago
@a121509 Des had one bad game - moment even - and never played for England again - a bit harsh given how good he was and how he kept Sheffield Wednesday from getting battered week in and week out!
gray499kcw 1 year ago
@guv859 Lineker? Gascoigne?
THthefirst 1 year ago
@guv859 what!? david batty was a great centre midfielder for years, he won the premiership twice and is a leeds and blackburn legend not to mention a fans favourite at newcastle, and dorigo was class - he was one of the fastest players in the league, was great for years at leeds and won the premier league with them also, he should have had alot more caps once he took pearce's place but unluckily tore his hamstring! as for walker and palmer you probably right there!
lucad11 1 year ago
@guv859 what!? david batty was a great centre midfielder for years, he won the premiership twice and is a leeds and blackburn legend not to mention a fans favourite at newcastle, and dorigo was class - he was one of the fastest players in the league, was great for years at leeds and won the premier league with them also, he should have had alot more caps once he took pearce's place but unluckily tore his hamstring! as for walker and palmer you probably right there!
lucad11 1 year ago
@guv859 Yeah, but he ignored good proven talent - Chris Waddle, Pedro Beardsley, Steve Bull were frozen out by him and replaced by carlton palmer, Geoff Tomas, Andy Sinton, the manager must take the blame for me.
gray499kcw 1 year ago
@guv859 Russbish! He picked the wrong players. He had Platt, Gascoigne, Waddle, Le Tissier, Ince, Merson, Pearce, Adams, Seaman, Keown, Shearer...loads of great players. He made ridiculous decisions, like playing Carlton Palmer or subbing Lineker for Alan Smith.
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@guv859 Russbish! He picked the wrong players. He had Platt, Gascoigne, Waddle, Le Tissier, Ince, Merson, Pearce, Adams, Seaman, Keown, Shearer...loads of great players. He made ridiculous decisions, like playing Carlton Palmer or subbing Lineker for Alan Smith.
narchard 1 year ago
@guv859 Des Walker was still quick at 38 at Nottingham Forest the others like Dorigo,Palmer etc they were shit but Des walker wasn't
tnewton1988 1 year ago
@guv859 That statement doesn't even begin to be true..
WillyWallen 1 year ago
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@guv859 That statement doesn't even begin to be true
WillyWallen 1 year ago
@guv859 Beardsley, Linekar, Shilton, Gazza, Sheringham, Barnes, Pearce, Waddle...
GallagherWellerBrown 10 months ago
@GallagherWellerBrown Lineker had retired, Shilton retired even earlier (right after the 3rd/4th place play-off in 1990), Sherringham didn't emerge until later, Barnes was poor for every England manager, Waddle was even older than Beardsley by this time, Sherringham was an unknown quantity till he was picked by Venables, and Gazza was injured most of the time.
guv859 10 months ago
@guv859 Barnes was at his best in the 1980s, a time of ferocious racism in English football, booed at every away ground ,bananas thrown on the field, and was "the Jamaican" who never felt welcome playing for England. Shameful
Seaman was a superior keeper to shilton (the German equaliser in Turin 1990 was shocking goalkeeping as was his diabolical attempts in the shoot-out). Ian Wright (another black who suffered with England) was at his peak in 93. England had the players, not the coach
Ali74 10 months ago
@guv859 you are talking shite,england had some quality players at that time, the players you mention were quality apart from palmer who was shite-dorigo won the championship as did batty aswell as playing in a world cup and two european competition semi finals and an fa cup final.des walker played for one of the best sides in the best league in the world at the time. you talk shit lad
wozwozzer 8 months ago
@wozwozzer Behave and shut the fuck up. Most of England's best players were injured or had retired. Not that you'd know, being obviously about ten (mentally, if not physically). Des Walker could hardly get a game for Forest soon after the World Cup, and ended up at Sheffield Wednesday.
guv859 8 months ago
@guv859 he was at samp u nobhead
wozwozzer 1 month ago
@wozwozzer Really Dorigo an intermational player have a word with yourself, though i agree Taylor was out of his depth and was the safe option in 1990 when Kendall of Clough would have done a better job!!!.
jaseywasey50 8 months ago
@guv859 Let's not forget cry baby Gascoigne. Might have been a decent midfield player, but his self importance and snivelling, feel sorry for himself attitude didn't help England.
terrycharnley 8 months ago
ow pissed is gazza ferkin laugh
dazshark 3 years ago
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graham turnip taylor
wat a fakkin clown
zulutoplad 3 years ago
Phil Neale is Billy Dodds.
aardmans 3 years ago 2
dave dodds lol
mikeyboy2810 3 years ago
Lawrie McMenemy is Lonnie Erkhart.
AndyPass1976 2 years ago
Taylor just wasnt up to the job, end of. That said in my opinion hes no worse than Maclaren, who in my view had a more tallented pool of players to pick from. Still Phil Neal aint half entertaining!!!CARLTON CARLTON!!!HA HA!!!
odsall 3 years ago 3
I see Carlton Palmer in an England shirt.
I am expecting now my unexpected callup from Brazil.
YouaresoCrap 3 years ago 3
he ignored waddle - cardinal sin
YouaresoCrap 3 years ago
you're defending Graham Taylor, and I'm the one not thinking before I speak? he was one of the worst England managers in history, we're well shot of him and his ilk and you're an idiot
devseven 3 years ago
Oh shoot me down, i spelt curle with a K, how very dare i! I agree that we are better off without him being manager. My point was he got hammered and crucified way to much.
tonester08 3 years ago
best press conferences ever though
n136ha 3 years ago
you implied he had to pick curle and dorigo, although you can't even spell curle's name. he didn't have to pick them, obviously, he had loads of better players. he picked andy sinton ahead of chris waddle, for example. WHy drop Chris Waddle? And Carlton Palmer played in central midfield, with Gazza pushed right. Why? And Dorigo ahead of Keown or Parker. And he played flat 442 long ball tactics with a big target man, when italia 90 had proved that strategy useless. and barnes got 79 caps for Eng
devseven 3 years ago
bad players? all he had was curle and dorigo? eh? gazza, ince, pearce, barnes, platt, adams, wright, shearer, ian wright, waddle (ludicrously dropped most of the time)
devseven 3 years ago
Where did i say he ONLY had curle and dorigo? You mentioned 10 players there, it takes 11 to make a team, shearer was badly injured in the qualifiers, adams-brilliant footballer but always crocked, wright never quite did it for england, barnes-brilliant for liverpool but shite for england. Think before you speak
tonester08 3 years ago
he still had a pretty good side at his disposal. not world beaters but good enough to qualify for a flamin world cup tournament. there was some good keepers about, likes of nigel martyn, seaman. centre halfs dont come much better than adams, keown,walker, pallister, stuart pearce. talented midfields like gazza, ince, platt, waddle, barnes. strikers like sheringham, ferdinand, shearer, ian wright. if he cant get that team to qualify then its a shit performance/tactics by him.
perfecto100 3 years ago
Shearer and gazza where mostly injured throughout his time as boss. If they had been fit I think they would have got there easy.
mkclash 3 years ago 2
fair enough when you put it like that, BUT, most of them players were not what they turned out to be then, even Adams.....Sheringham was only good from 98 onwards, Barnes was past his best, Walker hardly able to walk, Ferdinand was nothing until 96.........not saying we were shit and he was blameless, but them players were not all that during his time their,,,,,,,,,,,as proved cos they played utter dog shit......Andy Sinton for fucks sake.........
melvinceltic 2 years ago
I actually saw Liverpool play England in Alan Hansen's testimonial @ 80% competitiveness .
Liverpool had a better midfield , the ball was worked through midfield quicker and no flat 4 - 4 -2 + long ball .
That might explain why Barnes played better for Liverpool ?
squeakyadam 2 years ago
Look at the players he had to chose from at that time, shilton had gone, so had butcher, lineker also. In come palmer, kurle, dorigo, no mangaer could have got that shower of shit to qualify. Taylor was and still is a very humble and decent man who got unfairly slaughtered.
tonester08 3 years ago 2
Couldn't of said it better myself!
MacLaren though, had a great squad and deserves the criticism.
Bromleycafc 3 years ago
Too right mate, Maclaren is also a wanker, deserves all the stick he gets.
tonester08 3 years ago
Also MaClaren wasn't man enough to resign and took £2m payout.
Bromleycafc 3 years ago
you gotta feel sorry for the guy the way the press got him though!!!
dessieb123 3 years ago
I love that Gazza goal, the way he puts the defender on his arse and slots it home, pure genius!
Gazspurs 3 years ago
Norway were so much better than England. We laughed at you. Today we stopped laughing , just memories to live on...
balo11 3 years ago
Just Watching the 1st Minute of that had me Pissing Myself! "CARLTON We're Losing our Shape, TONY!" This is on again on ITV4 at 11pm! The Impossible Job it's Called! England really did have some shit players in the team back then! Considering how well they did in 90W.C and Euro96 makes the "in between" period all the more Random!
Cashback13 3 years ago
I wonder how England would do now with Holland, Turkey, Poland and Norway in our qualifying group?? Bar the recent Croatia result, I would suggest that we would not qualify now either!! Watching this film has made me realise how useless McMenemy and Neal were!!
Pinkleylandii 3 years ago
@Pinkleylandii, don`t forget about San Marino. Greetings from Poland.
Adam29101981 1 year ago
Classic, cheers
DAVIDRCGRAY 3 years ago
The powerful influence of Taylor can still be seen in the dark corridors of football, and long may that continue.
petenear 3 years ago
Luckily we learnt from this shambolic period and moved on :(
terrific post would love this on dvd
mplscfc 3 years ago
Definately and with Subtitles! Because at some points in the program it's hard to hear what some of the players are saying to each other! Dodgy Mike work or just general mumbling!
Cashback13 3 years ago
thanks so much for posting this. Dying to see it since it was first on. "CARLTON, CARLTON", TREMENDOUS.
markdaviesYT 3 years ago