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  • i stopped when i heard that guy from the venus project. he promotes the abolishing of private property, in short, hardcore communism.

  • Capitalism, with its cutthroat corruption and foolish, irresponsible consumption, has seen its day. We have to know when to let go. It's just a big game of Monopoly, y'know... a game that ends when someone has all the money and all the properties.... and everyone else has gone bankrupt. And we're just about there. Time for an update, with science and technology at the forefront.

    Great job with the editing and production of this video!

  • Anyone who speaks against capitalism should be deported to europe.

    You need to realize that technologies like solar, wind, geothermal, computers, medicines, running water etc were result of capitalism.

  • Wow, according to this there is no shortage of things in the world. We only need to not own anything and then we can have everything. Its like fortune cookie arguments.

  • Capitalist ideology defends the economic system with a dishonest conception of work. It says that in order to have, one must work. At the same time however, it must remain ignorant of the idleness of the capitalist class.

  • just for kicks, it would be great if everyone in the english speaking world were to read 'The Engineers and The Price System'. just so we all have somewhere common to begin our 'discussions' from. it's easily searchable on the web for free and isn't even that long or difficult of a read. it's somewhere to start, if nothing else.

  • 1. NOPE. You can custom build or build your own computer that will last a lot longer, but it will be obsolete due to advancing technology. Moore's law (go look it up).

    2. NOPE. Machines may replace workers, but those machines require people to design and build thus the result being net gain in employment and faster and more efficient production.

    3. NOPE. Profit is not the ONLY motive, but it is the BIGGEST. Ask Henry Ford or Wright brothers, and the list is endless.

    To summarize, TRY AGAIN.

  • @tjohn1986 1.) Exactly, that's why we need replaceable, universally interchangeable parts.

    watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

    2.) That's true, creation of automations does take human effort, but advancing the machines is not a requirement. If we employed all the automation we have today, we could take care of everyone around the world. Then we can worry about advancement.

    3.) It shouldn't be the biggest.

  • its funny because you blame this current crisis on capitalism when ironically Keynesian economics are to blame. good job retard.

  • @poopguypenis2 It is caused by resources not getting to the people who need them. It doesn't matter who said what, the system itself is fucking up.

  • I got no iPod, no iPhone, no Blackberry, no Beats By Dre, I don't need that all. I got basic stuff. Why the fuck people always need to get all that bullshit, explain me.

  • (6) All in all, this is an entirely blind and dreadfully misinformed view of capitalism. I feel bad that you hold this resentment towards a political system in which you live (although the U.S. is a little bit socialist, fascist, and capitalist) and that you unjustly blame it for (a) things that are simply not factual (b) things that have nothing to do with capitalism (c) and things that actually help provide the quality of life you live.

  • (5) And one more point about monopoly: it has been proven that it is more or less impossible to create a natural monopoly because predatory pricing requires a VAST VAST VAST amount of money which is entirely unsustainable. And you seem to hate on competition with the monopoly game script: it seems you aim for homogeneity and no innovation and no incentive to produce more quality and more efficiently.

  • (4) As to distribution of wealth: The government has NO MEANS by which to rationally allocate resources , so if you're argument entails the government forcefully redistributing wealth (socialism), then it will do more harm than good. "False scarcity" Oh God....not a single person in the world would put those two words together... And the whole "success" bit has nothing to with anything. I can guarantee you that half of what you blame capitalism for is actually the governments fault.

  • @jsmithr56 First off, socialism is not about forcing redistribution of wealth, it's about socializing the necessary services of the economy to a multiple payer system. Artificial scarcity is completely real, the Agricultural Adjustment Act is one of many examples of how artificial scarcity is directly implemented. The government is part of the economy, politicians are working a job. If they were altruistic, they would accept government housing and no campaign donations. Think about it.

  • (3 cont.) What does the profit motive have to do with monopoly? A monopoly by definition is a firm that has been granted exclusive rights to a market by the government or some other coercive force. A natural monopoly (a monopoly that has occurred without the help from the government) has NEVER occurred historically. The government is not an inherent feature of capitalism.

  • (3) Profit motive: "it incentivizes greedy business practice, human rights violations, and monopolistic tendencies" There are so many things wrong with this statement. First off, greed is good, look at any economics textbook (I'm sure it will be your first). Second, in what way does a profit lead to human rights violations??? Capitalism by nature discourages human rights violations...If I kill you, nobody will do business with me, see? But if I want a profit, I won't kill you.

  • @jsmithr56 If I killed you, and took all your land because I'm greedy, would you consider that good?

    Kardashian's using sweat-shops, nuf said about that.

    Except when pharmaceutical companies push drugs and work against the scientific model to get faulty products out there to make as much money as possible. As long as not too many workers die, it's all good, because there will always be more consumers.

  • Your use a definition of efficiency is not an economic one and there for is not valid in its application to capitalism. And you're clearly a neo-Luddite who thinks that advances in technology are a bad thing because they get rid of jobs. This view has been discredited so many times. It is said that the more prosperous a society, the less work that needs to be done. "As if it's the only motivating factor...." Only you said this.

  • @jsmithr56 No, he's clearly a part of the Zeitgeist Movement, and thinks that automation is good, because it removes repetitive and very often socially useless jobs.

    Except it hasn't, because today around 80% of the jobs in the US are service jobs. The "Luddite Fallacy," is no fallacy, it is the most brilliant thing in modern society. A means to make work something we do as hobby, not necessity.

  • (1) "Capitalism encourages waste" I mean really... Capitalism encourages producers to respond to consumers. If consumers don't want waste, then producers won't waste. There is nothing inherent within capitalism that at all encourages waste. (2) "Efficiency is the enemy of capitalism" This is the opposite of the truth. The whole point of capitalism is that suppliers respond to demanders at a point of competitive equilibrium (profit maximizing), which by definition is allocative efficiency...

  • The only reason that the entire planet exists and spins is so that "Capitalists" can relentlessly capitalise on everyone and every living thing - everybody knows that. And in saying that I mean that there would bo no good reason for the planet or even the universe to exist if it wasn't for money. So what does the mon(k)ey do? Exactly what he sees. Mon(k)ey see - mon(k)ey do. Bringing the relentless system to another galaxy near you...

  • This is phucking brilliant!!

  • very well done. I hope we get to cross the "river" (called capitalism). Unfortunately I think what's more likely to happen is the coming of a new world currency (the amero), followed a few years later by the accumulative collapse of our civilization.

  • capitAlism is like marriage... SHIT but better than the alternative... O.o

  • Profit is the prophet of corruption and despair.

  • Thats why i have android.

    >Key point here

    >Apple makes shitty products.

    Put a case and a screen protector on it, and a case, and it will last. usurp the circle.

  • Next we would have socialism which can function but only by ristricting the freedoms of the people. People like you who do not like the system will be punished.... Dont get me wrong sir i do not mean to say capitalism is perfect by no means do i say that.i will leave with a simple quote "capitalism is the worst form of government, excluding all others that have been tried

  • Im going to break your video using your own quote at the begging. Let me ask you how good is the economy in kenya doing right now????? The ppl there enjoy nothing to be compared with the capitalist society that allowys you to go out earn moeny so you can turn around and diss it on the internet. Let me ask you sir if not capitalism then what? History has proven communism fails unless it is applied on an extremly small scale. Fascism does function but no one wants that nazi germany anyone ?

  • @jonatron5 1. kenya is doing badly because our capitalist economies are directly profiting at their expense. the reason we appear so well off in comparison is because our corporations have stolen all of their resources.

    but that point aside, i just wanted to say that i do not support communism, socialism, or any other previously defined philosophy. i support a society that bases it's decisions not on the wills of charismatic figures, but on scientific understandings.

    see:

    watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

  • @saydaysago2008 We need both the best of free & fair trade

  • @jonatron5 Let me break your comment down using the beginning of the video, "consume, consume, consume until we have no planet left to consume" that means consume the animals, kill them all off, consume the trees, deforest them all, consume the resources, burn all the oil! How long can the snake consume its tail before it gets to its own head?

  • @jonatron5 I think you'll find the only reason that people are so poor in Kenya is because of corruption and war and the fact that unreliable weather patterns have made it very difficult for people to farm and produce - which meant they were stuffed right from the start.They weren't on a level playing field to begin with.As for the other crap u said about small scale comm. the only reason it failed is because of the fact that it was small scale to begin with - it only works if all do it. Yes,U 2

  • @jonatron5 If you wanted legitimate answers to those questions, you would have found them on your own, but you're obviously the narrow-minded type. Your argument for capitalism is pretty lame. "Allowys you to go out earn moeny" translates to "allows you to go out and commit about 40% of the time in your life to a task that is in all likelihood pointless just so you can have the ability to eat, have a roof over your head, and be yourself in the small amount of free time you have.

  • @jonatron5 Capitalism, not always but mostly, works in the favor of those who are the most ambitious for wealth and power, which are often the most contemptible types of people who exploit everyone else. This is what you ignorants consider to be human nature. Funny, considering that that only has basis on your own warped narrow-minded perceptions and not on any actual facts.

  • @jonatron5 I agree Capitalism as a general sphere of economic and social philosophy is excellent & necessary for having a vibrant economy. The corporation inside this capitalism is the actual gear in capitalism with sand in its gears which scratches everyone around them. Consumers will be consumers...but should all needs be satisfied? Should there be an ethical capitalistic framework which encourages environmental and resource preservation as a profitable goal?

  • @jonatron5 saydays right. Its called economic hitmen and our corporations have been doing it for year. Enslaving others for our benefit. And we have NEVER seen a true communist society, and some would argue a socialist as well. Look them up yourself and quit listening to the brainwashing mainstream media. Just look up The Venus Project if you wanna see a real solution

  • Lots of angry comments. Few thoughtful objections.

    Very well done!!

  • Capitalism...the best way to control peoples mind. It simlpy hold them as slaves. If they do not get money, they have to die. LOL LEARN SOME HUMANISM YOU FRUSTRATED MONEY FANATIC BASTARDS

  • Using MJK-s music in this ignorant video is insulting!

    - A Maynard fan and someone who has actually lived under communist rule and now lives in an ex-communist country.

    I can not believe im reading Americans preaching socialism. We used to look up to Americans. Have fun fucking up the your country...

  • Sorry about the typos!

  • Thats their choice (Chinese) to be communist. We didn't get involved in their decision. Its not your fault there are poor people, corrupt people, chilled out people that don't want to work based on their culture. This is all text book knowledge here. No smart people. All superficial stuff that I have heard before. Drunk people that homeless which many are like to be that way. I was one.

  • Roseanne Barr for President 2012!

  • Socialism and communism are ALSO based on philosophy & not built in a vacuum. There's an underlying structure w/ principles you use. Communist laws are based upon reality, unlike capitalism, such as constraints of time and space: 2 objects can't occupy the same place at the same time, finite supplies, and who actually does the work, not meaningless titles of ownership, etc.

  • @mphello I just love your comment, really well said, good on you mate.

  • @PeterJohnJnb

    Thanks. I try to be as reductionistic as I can be, which means being very abstract at times, so I am at risk of losing the reader.

  • Capitalists like spec should be executed by the state, because they are the biggest hypocrites in the world. They preach that they want no laws for anything, but in reality they only want no laws that inhibit what THEY want to do, not what somebody else might do that conflicts with them.

    If police and prison guards don't want to get their heads blown off, then they should hold people hostage in prison against their will.

  • It's hard to believe that people are this stupid. but the original poster proves that it's true. He's been drinking the koolaid way too long. Capitalism is the only thing keeping your worthless ass out of poverty, clown.

  • @spec24 you make no sense. Capitalism creats poverty. Capitalism can't exist without false scarcity, without that there's no profit. Unemployment is needed to force rediculously cheap wages. Keeping people desperate for work makes it harder for them to refuse shit wages. If Capitalism really helped people, there wouldn't be the concentration of wealth; there wouldn't be the rich. Its classim that benifits only the rich. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Fuck the rich.

  • @johnniefive80 AWESOME COMMENT!

    = Capitalism creats poverty. Capitalism can't exist without false scarcity, without that there's no profit. Unemployment is needed to force rediculously cheap wages. Keeping people desperate for work makes it harder for them to refuse shit wages. If Capitalism really helped people, there wouldn't be the concentration of wealth; there wouldn't be the rich. Its classim that benifits only the rich. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.=

  • There are some very valid points made in this film and capitalism is going up its own axxx at the moment. It does and should make you think. We cannot go on like this playing with our childrens futures. But I do not know what the answer is. i just know it aint communism

  • everything has too be earned, you even owe your love to those who fed and raised you.

  • @34lbs sorry, before people attack my accidental misspelling of to, and claim that that makes me wrong, i will rephrase "Everything in life has to be earned, you even owe your love to those who fed and raised you"

  • It's all good saying "keep it in the box" but at the end of the day the only box that matters is the one were all headed to since the day we were born.....the coffin.

  • I'll take a system of human beings having the freedom to choose how they use the fruits of their own effort than a system of a group of people in a building deciding how millions of people will live. I support my own freedom. Too bad it hasn't really existed in the US since 1913.

  • @cate669 Nice ideal. Also, as long as you take into account all the consequences of your actions - including their affect on non-human animals. But, assuming you do: you won't achieve that ideal unless you wage war upon those who you believe (or think or know - I don't care about the semantics) to unjustly pass laws against you. So, if a few revolutionaries or radicals (again, semantics and labels don't matter) do wage war on your behalf, you can't call them "lunatics" or "provacateurs" or

  • @mphello "insane" or any insulting name whatsoever. You have to stand by them and honor them for their loyalty and courage.

  • ok i pod man. what about water, roof over your head. guess a poet is going to build ya the best dwelling in which to keep your children safe. it all got bonkers in 1913 or just before and everybody feels ripped off hence entitled. so now we got a bunch of people that didn't build a country, doesn't know how to maintain shit gonna take over. can't wait, while ya hippies are off in the woods I'll be buyin those woods,cuting down those tree's and building homes for ur socialist gov

  • I stoped watching after you said "wage slavery." A wage is a contract between someone with the physical capital to produce something and another with the time and labor to use the capital to make the product. You agree to work what you work for. People in China do not work for a dollar a day because they are forced to, they do it because it is better than working in the fucking rice paddies. When you say your ipods are replaced with a warranty, it costs apple money to do that.

  • AWESOME video

  • Ctd . - the viral nature of humans to gather and hoard as Much as they can

  • I believe this video shows the true evils of the modern age , money , personal property and a "I must have more" society . Imagine a world with no money , where it isn't an object where it doesn't subjudgigate billions of people . I understand the purpose behind currency but it's original idea has been destroyed by greed and selfishness. Money and stuff doesn't bring self preservation working with your peers to strive for a better Tommorow and mutual benefits will in the end replace the viral n

  • The only ones who aren't successful in Capitalism are the leeches, ignorant, and lazy people of society. 

  • Too bad it does not exist a Capitalist country in the world, maybe the creator of this video could prove that Capitalism kills everybody and is evil. The most Capitalist country in the world is Hong Kong and they are doing great without any resources what so ever, just like Singapore.

  • @deadlyorgans i don't really think so, capitalism is an economic system under which the means of life are held by some individuals from others by way of a ransom called 'cost'.

    liking, favoriting, and subbing are just part of youtube's online popularity contest. no one's life hangs in the balance of how many 'likes' they get (unless they've enrolled in youtube's partnership program, and make their living that way, in which case it would be capitalism), unlike $'s.

    thanks for your comment!

  • @saydaysago2008 Capitalism is based on philosophy & not built in a vacuum. There's an underlying structure w/ principles you use. Let's pretend youtube is a free-market gov't w/ limited regulation. Within that framework, you privately operate the video & compete w/ other videos. You want us to help you rise the ranks by subbing. You can be 'liked' indefinitely without intervention. Youtube protects your property rights. We cannot change the video. If you want socialism, move to wikipedia.

  • @saydaysago2008

    Best response to a brainless shithead no-thought comment by deadlyorgans ever!

  • @saydaysago2008 You don't know what capitalism is clearly. Capitalism is an economic system in which goods and services are produced by the private sector. 

  • @deadlyorgans (cont'd)

    just wanted to add that even if i was making money from this channel, it wouldn't invalidate my argument, as I still live in a quasi capitalistic society and therefore need to 'earn' my right to live on this planet, so participation in any system that first puts a stranglehold on resources and then prices them out is not by my own voluntary choice, or in any way according to my values.

  • @deadlyorgans no - is he making any money? Read a fucking dictionary before you post your stupid comments in here... It's videos like these who wake certain people up. GREAT VIDEO

  • @deadlyorgans Yes it is. Commuinists usualy cant see thier own hypocracy. Like the guy shouting on the megaphone, he didn't need. What does he do for a living bsdies anyoying other people?

  • This video is a crushing defeat over capitalism... if you disagree it's best that you kill yourself and make way for a better world without this barbaric system.

  • @elbowbiter1 The only barbarous system now is Statism. Get over yourself. This video does expose a barbarous system, Crony Capitalism, where the business men are given corporate welfare by their politician buddies who steal the money from EVERY producer. Pure Capitalism, without gov't intervention would beat the shit out of your idealized moneyless society any day. Good luck figuring out what to make and how much of it without price signals. No one has figured out how to do it yet.

  • @metzger90 If it is more profitable to live with or make a problem than it is to solve or avoid a good capitalist creates or maintains a problem. It doesn't matter which flavour of Capitalism it is the fundamental flaw of ALL capitalism. As for "figuring out what to make... [absent] price signals" that's absolutely irrelevant my friend. This isn't the 20th century any more Metzger, think a millimetre outside of your programmed box and you'll see the solution yourself.

  • @metzger90 Produce based on need. If all needs are met. Produce based on leisure. Give to give. Too simple for us to comprehend or believe would work.

  • @metzger90 this "pure capitalism" doesn't exist; it never has, and it never will. The INSTANT someone wins the competitive market, they use their size to their advantage politically.

  • @metzger90

    = Good luck figuring out what to make and how much of it without price signals. =

    I'm working on a new system right now. It's a meta-theory, not a theory. An endlessly evolving system of laws and destruction of those laws whereby everyone has to continuously prove the value of what they do to each other using mathematical and logistical modelling.

    i.e. Each person keeps a ledger of the positive and negative effects of every other person: both moral and economic.

  • One day in the near future people will look back at these years and laugh just like we do when we learned that people use to think the world was flat

  • Are people idiots. Let's think for a second: America before socialistic Obama: Successful, generous, great, prosperous, powerful.

    Socialistic country's have not shown ANY success, generosity, greatness, prosperity, or power.

  • @MarineGuild Obama isn't the cause of our economic decline. You can thank Bush Jr. and Reagan for that, spending such an ungodly amount of money on our military while cutting taxes. Yeah, spending a lot of money and cutting taxes do not equal a balanced budget. Besides, there is nothing wrong with a bit of socialism. Japan and many European countries have universal healthcare, and their economies rival ours. Sorry. :-/ You have feces for brains?

  • @Nathan173AB Are you fkn kidding me? Look at the charts, sure it started with Bush but look how much worse it got with your obama. I have a question for you, what is one good think Europe has really done with their socialism besides tax their citizens 15%.

  • @MarineGuild Correlation does not imply causation. I can look at two charts, one that shows the decline in sea pirates and one that shows a rise in global temperatures, and by your feces-for-brains logic, it would seem like the decline in number of sea pirates causes a rise in global temperatures. Sorry, but Obama did not cause the recession just because he was elected into the office at about the same time it happened. As a matter of fact, the recession started BEFORE he got into office.

  • @MarineGuild You really need to get your facts straight. 15% tax rate? Wow, how horrible. Yeah, Americans pay more. A LOT more. Just google "american tax rates" okay. Get some genuine information. Don't just take a dump and post that.

  • @Nathan173AB Connecticut has the highest tax rate in the US, it happens to be 7.4%.

  • capitalism will fail eventually period

  • The Solution is a "Resource Based Economy", period.

  • FUCK COMMUNISM !

  • Capitalism is a good thing apart from its encouragment of mass consumerism

  • Capitalism? Sometimes is trash. Belive in this mess of today? I close the eyes every time i see shit.

  • Evil capitalism is as evil as evil communism.

  • Capitalism is evil! It really only benefits the richest 1%. Our planet is dying because of this rotten 'system'.

    Karl Liebknecht: "The basic law of capitalism is you or I, not both you and I."

    Karl Liebknecht: "Capitalism is war; socialism is peace."

    Karl Liebknecht: "For capitalism, war and peace are business and nothing but business."

  • the future is a society based on robots... you send your robot to work... LOL

  • @notengonickcojones Spoken exactly like a stubborn fool who refuses to understand or solve problems.

  • @Nathan173AB Spoken like someone who knows about robotics and see how friends loose their jobs because of new technologies.

  • @notengonickcojones Technology replacing manual human labor is an inevitable fact that's only going to become more prevalent. Get over it.

  • @Nathan173AB get over it? that is your answer? robotics will sustitute ever humain act, i obviously cannot get over it.

  • @notengonickcojones So you think it is better for people to do repetitive, menial, and often times dangerous and unsanitary labor instead of machines?

  • @Nathan173AB not at all!!! that is why i pointed (sorry about my english, i'm from Spain) that robotics will change this, AND will destroy capitalism.

  • capitalism as any other ism is based on the assumption that people are angels that do not commit fraud.

  • No political idea to date works perfectly. That is 100% true. But Passive Capitalism has been proven to work the best. Communism? Fucked up China and is currently fucking up Russia. Fascism? Well.... look back 70 years. See how that turned out. Socialism? Led to the USSR, which led to Lenin, then Stalin. Again, Capitalism isn't perfect, but it works a hell of a lot better than everything else.

  • nothing valuable. like back to USSR ;) Enjoy Capitalism

  • @JakobsMovieTutorials just replying to pin this comment up top because so many people don't get this.

    Markets necessitate government. If you have markets, in order to prevent the negative behaviors incentivized by such a system, you need government controls / regulations, and you end up with corporatism.

    You can't expect people to behave ethically in a market, because profit (social incentive) is given out for highly unethical behaviors. The environment of a market promotes them.

  • Finally! someone who says it clearly with no ambiguity! I've known this for years but haven't ever articulated it this well. Thanks for making this. I hope it begins to catch on...Capitalism blames the victim by claiming they are not working hard enough.

  • Failing to understand the difference between Capitalism and Corporatism = Epic Fail.

  • @JaysThoughts Capitalism leads to corporatism. Sorry. :-/

  • People, the idea of a Jacque Fresco society is fine, and I believe humans will one day achieve such a society, but how do you get there from where we are now. That is what you should be talking about. To achieve his dream society, you have to understand the concepts of self ownership and self responsibility. With those concepts people are able to work together to create such a society. Read my website libertyeverafter. com

  • @nikolayzou ' how do you get there from where we are now. That is what you should be talking about.'

    completely agree

    'you have to understand the concepts of self ownership and self responsibility'

    responsibility? yes, of course...

    self-ownership is a silly concept that commodifies humans. nobody owns themselves or anybody else for that matter (or anyTHING else for that matter). we are ourselves, we don't own ourselves.

    you've got your website plug in, we can talk but no more spam.

  • @saydaysago2008 I don't agree, you definitely own yourself, it is ridiculous to say you don't known yourself. You are the controller of your own destiny and can do whatever you like with your own body. I can do whatever I like as long as I don't hurt others or pollute the environment. What possible backing can you have with the statement that people don't own themselves? What a ridiculous notion.

  • @saydaysago2008 If a person has the capability to end their own life, then that person owns them self. What greater demonstration of self ownership is their. People may believe the person is wrong to take their own life, but this is beside the point because there is no way of stopping that person, and if you did, you will be perpetrating violence onto that person anyway. So the notion that you don't own yourself is totally baseless and false.

  • @nikolayzou As I said before, you don't own yourself, you are yourself. To talk about ownership implies there is an owner and something owned. If you accept that you own yourself, you accept the possibility that someone else could hypothetically own you. Since ownership is simply a human construct, I choose not to apply it to my person. Nobody owns me, not even me, I just 'am', and I 'do'.

    The ability to end your own life is a non-sequitur, are you saying that a murderer 'owns' his victims?

  • @saydaysago2008 You are taking it all out of proportion, to own yourself does NOT imply that somebody may own you. If you don't take ownership of yourself, then somebody else will. In a sense, a murderer does own his victims if he takes their life, but I wouldn't use those words, there your words. But that victim, before becoming a victim, has the right to defend their life, and use force to do so because they are the owner of their life and can prevent the murderer from owning their life.

  • @nikolayzou 'If you don't take ownership of yourself, then somebody else will'

    I have never claimed ownership of myself, and neither has anyone else claimed ownership on me..

  • @saydaysago2008 You also own what you create because a person will have to perpetrate violence upon you to take it, and you can't support violence in your perfect world. These are very basic notions that you must understand if you want any chance of your perfect world. There is no way in hell of achieve your perfect world if you can't understand these very very very simple notions. The focus on ownership is not helping your cause, and you come across as sounding stupid, I'm sure your not.

  • @nikolayzou

    So now you are saying that ownership is necessary as long as people continue to act through force and violence? I agree with you. However, the answer is to address the causes of the violence, not to retain the notion of ownership, which in itself, causes much of the violence.

  • @saydaysago2008 I know that when some resources become plentiful, they practically become free and it does seem silly to have an idea of money. HOWEVER, there will ALWAYS be items that are scarce, for example, original art works. If I create a Mona Lisa painting, then I own my painting, what right do you have to take it away from me, none at all. So even in your perfect world, scarcity will always exist because people are unique individuals, not machines.

  • @nikolayzou

    mona lisa painting - nobody can take your painting, but if you allowed us, could we make copies? if not, that's your choice, but it seems kind of silly to create the false scarcity of a painting.

    people are unique and will continue to make unique creations... which machines can then copy for others. :).

  • @saydaysago2008 And yes, if I create a Mona Lisa, I will probably donate it to some museum one day for all to enjoy, but that is my choice. Your idealistic world assumes we are something other than individual human beings, rather we are part of some massive organic machine connected together. Human individuality comes hand in hand with self ownership and property ownership, that is just common sense.

  • @nikolayzou ok, that's fine. if i write a very popular book, someday i might donate the original manuscript to a museum. in the meantime, every else can enjoy a replica.

    'Human individuality comes hand in hand with self ownership and property ownership, that is just common sense.'

    Common sense to you. Philosophically unsound and empirically incorrect to me.

  • @nikolayzou There is no such thing as individualism. Like it or not, the "individual" and the environment are interdependent. This is a fact that lies at the heart of all scientific study. You cannot know one thing unless you know something about its environment. This is why ownership is an illusion, because it assumes independence from the environment. The electronics you use, they were made from materials harvested from the Earth. You had nothing to do with it. We ARE cells in a vast organism.

  • @saydaysago2008 Let's talk about selfishness. What is wrong with being selfish? Selfishness is an emotion just like happiness. You feel selfish when you enjoy a cup of coffee, or when you are in love, or view art work. There is nothing wrong with that, it is a natural human emotion. You also feel happiness when you give a present or when you give love, these are all natural. So embrace your selfishness and feel happy about it. WOW, I impressed myself with that statement.

  • @nikolayzou

    The only problem with selfishness is when it is practiced in a complete and narrow sense, cumulatively causing harm to others by the 'selfish' persons complete disregard for every other human. The selfishness you spoke of is just fine, though I think you were giving a better description of self esteem, not selfishness.

  • @saydaysago2008 I also agree that you should never cause harm to others, but I'm not sure what selfishness you are referring to. If you are referring to how socialist governments are in bed with a banks to keep house prices high in order to enslave their fellow man, then I agree with you, that is wrong and should be stopped. So what selfishness are you referring to?

  • @nikolayzou by selfishness I am referring to any act that is taken strictly for personal gain, while either not investigating or willfully ignoring the negative effects of that action upon others.

    Selfishness that does no harm to others is fine, even good.

    However, markets reward selfishness, and does not always make this distinction, reward outright anti-social and/or sociopathic behaviors. eg a factory who is not in bed with any gvm't burning coal for it's own profit, ignoring environment.

  • @saydaysago2008 Well you can argue that burning coal causes pollution which causes violence upon the person who breaths that air. I totally agree that is wrong and that is why we should have laws to protect human liberty. However, what you find is that the only reason they are allowed to burn coal is because they have made a deal with a Socialist style government who have regulated the market and pushed out the competition. Lookup Ayn Rand and have a read of the book, Atlas Shrugged.

  • @nikolayzou

    I've read it. it's an amazing novel, interesting fatasy.

    So who, exactly, in a society like the one rand describes, is going to tell me I can't burn coal? Not the government.. certainly not my fellow industrialists..

    Rand painted a picture where the only things one could do that were profitable were helpful to humanity. This is not reality, and in reality, her type of society would exacerbate every profit driven problem we have today.

  • @saydaysago2008 THE LAW, Ayn Rand isn't an Anarchist, she believes in minimum Government to protect liberty . Business must operate within the law. If the law states you can't pollute or sets limits on pollution, then you must obey or you will be prosecuted. If you allow Government to regulate things, then the opposite happens, and Governments start to make deals with corporations to keep them in power and everyone loses. Free market capitalism is the ONLY moral solution.

  • @nikolayzou what's the difference between a government law on pollution and any other regulation? So now you are advocating a slightly regulated market.. ok, that's fine. So now how do we prevent corruption (the owner of a factory pays a little extra to his politician friend to look the other way on his polluting, allowing him to produce more and gain an unfair edge)? What is going to stop this minimal government that exists only to protect liberty from making deals with corporations?

  • @saydaysago2008 Any form of goverment should not be taken into consideration.

  • @laitela01 ok, so then back to my first question, what, in a free market, prevents a person from partaking in behaviors that are profitable, yet damage the environment (essentially an act of force against the populas), among other bad behaviors incentivized by profit?

    nikolayzou said that we needed a minimal government, what is your answer?

  • @saydaysago2008 Nothing would prevent that from happening as far as I'm concerned. I agree with you on this debate. It just seemed like you as a RBE supporter are okay with goverment? Sorry if I misinterpeted.

  • @laitela01 nah, i was basically saying that markets necessitate a government. If you hsvr msrkets, in order to prevent the negative behaviors incentivized, you need government controls, and you end up with corporatism. If you don't have markets or a government (rbe), there is no contradiction.

  • @saydaysago2008 NO TAXATION, look, I can't be bothered now, I am too busy planning my trip to America to fight for liberty and freedom on the Ron Paul campaign. I am sure someone else will set you straight one day.

  • @saydaysago2008 I don't think I am getting through to you. Can somebody enlighten this person please, I have spent enough time on this.

  • monopoly = capitalism chess = imperialism

  • @Archraveful monopoly = government = corporatism = imperialism = poverty = slavery AND

    liberty = freedom = free market capitalism = self ownership = self responsibility = prosperity for all, not just the rich

  • NWO

  • NATIONAL SOCIALISM FOR THE WIN!

  • It's no suprise there.

    The goal of our leaders is to feed them selves and only them selves. They don't care about anything else. Country and humanity is what they despise. Money, power and family is what they love. Capitalism is a pure example of pure evil, there is no other way to describe it.

    What most people have forgotten: Humanity survived, because we are more united than a common animal. Survival of the fittest doesn't work against an exploding sun. Not like anyone cares... but me.

  • Yes. These things are true. These are the facts. People may want to ignore the facts, but look where this system is taking us. It's unsustainable on so many levels. Served us well in the past, but now outdated. All the other systems mentioned in the comments also have a monetary system, where corruption is inherent. Is a society without a monetary system possible now? It might be. Technological advancements have made it possible. Probable? I dunno. But possible.

  • Just an FYI, I will now be deleting comments that contain no arguments other than ad hom attacks or other similar bs. For example, I just deleted a comment that informed me I am an 'egoistic faggot'.

    Disagree/debate all you want, but from now on I have a zero tolerance policy for petty name calling, or references to violence against myself (which has happened twice so far).

    Seiously people. I understand some of you love Capitalism but get the over the silly temper tantrums.

    peace.

  • this is absolutly brilliant! i really like your idea, i was just thinking of how much better a place the world would be if there were no religions

    im going to that website straight away.

    you' ve totally motivated me

  • All I can say is Read Read Read Read Read Read, Learn Learn Learn Learn. Watch this video, that's fine, but also learn all about liberty, free market capitalism, voluntary socialism, corporatism, government socialism, communism, big government, small government. Learn all these things before you make a very stupid video like this one.

  • I have learned since I made this video, and am considering a follow up (or the same level of intellectual discourse... ;P), but watching this video over again, almost a year later, I can't see a single point I made that isn't valid.

    This video may be 'stupid' (It's called 'capitalism epic fail'.. what did you expect?).

    But I'd rather you didn't assume that because I don't agree with free market capitalism, I haven't looked into (and continue to look into) all the things you mention.

  • @saydaysago2008 When I was growing up, my parents where socialist and I was against capitalism. I have learned a great deal since then and what did it for me was understanding how free market capitalism is different than corporatism. Once I understood how corporatism needs government socialism to rig the market, I know that forced socialist systems never work and always go bankrupt. I am writing a book at the moment at:

    libertyeverafter [dot] com feel free to have a read. Cheers

  • @nikolayzou i understand the difference between pure free market capitalism and corporatism. i understand that i did not make that distinction in 'capitalism: epic fail'. i am not a socialist. i specifically state that i don't agree with socialism in this video. i flash in on the screen. i don't agree with any form of statism, or markets. both are inherently hierarchical structures that limit reciprocal relationships and reduce social cohesion.

  • @saydaysago2008 What do you believe in, I am confused?

  • @nikolayzou I support an idea called a resource based economy. this idea has some roots in socialist, or left libertarianism. Another term I like to throw around is 'post scarcity anarchism'.

    I wouldn't say I 'believe' in anything. I think beliefs are a useless mental convention. I base my views on rational observations of reality. On feedback from reality, ie: science.

    Political and economic problems are all truly just technical, and can be solved by using the mind, using science.

  • @saydaysago2008 When resources are plentiful, there practically free, air and water for example. In order to achieve a society where resource are plentiful, we need a good understanding of basic freedom principles. Look up Tom Woods, he talks about limited resources in some of his lectures. I believe the only way we can ever reach a society like what Jacque Fresco dreams about is to embrace libertarian ideas of freedom and ownership. I agree when you say technology will solve problems.

  • @nikolayzou freedom and ownership in some senses are complete opposites. ownership is the restriction of freedom against everyone except an individual, regarding whatever is being 'owned'.

    As long as we have a majority of people clinging to 'their' stuff, and not utilizing a more efficient method of resource distribution, we cannot achieve a post scarcity society

  • @saydaysago2008 I do not agree, if I create something from the earth, say I build a house. That house belongs to me, that is ownership. If you are telling me that the house belongs to someone else, then they will have to steal it from me and that is theft. Your communist idea's are flawed and leads to violence. On the other hand, if I am free, I may decide to donate my house to some, and that is fine because it was my voluntary choice to do so.

  • @nikolayzou Just to be clear, once more, I'm not saying that the house belongs to someone else. That is a false dichotomy. I am saying there is no such thing as ownership. If you build a house, you have a right to reside there (just as you have a right to reside anywhere that does not infringe on another), it has nothing to do with ownership. Nobody will steal anything from you, nor force you in anyway. Property is not a pre-requisite for non-aggression.

  • @saydaysago2008 I have nothing against your ideas, but you can not say to people, give up money, that is ridiculous. If you create your perfect society and have people join you voluntarily, then that is great and that support the ideas of freedom. But if two people decide to use money or gold to measure their worth, you have no right to tell them they can't do that.

  • @nikolayzou On this, we completely agree. I think far too many people in this movement are focused on 'getting rid of money', which is not the point, the point is to shift society in a direction whereby money becomes functionally useless.

    Yes, our society could only possibly exist by volunteerism, by definition.

    No, nobody has any right to tell anyone whether or not they can measure their worth in gold (no matter how silly and superfluous this may seem in the future).

  • @saydaysago2008 I think the world will get their one day, but first you need to get rid of the corruption our world first. The corruption is due to Governments and banks being in bed together and controlling the basic resources, housing, food and energy, and this has nothing to do with capitalism, more to do with Government socialism. The only way you can do this is by voting the bastards out of office, then your dream society might have a chance.

  • @nikolayzou I agree that we need to get rid of corruption, which stems very blatantly from two specific sources. Hierarchical forms of bureaucratic and force, ie; government and economic class.

    Whether your leaders control you by election or by employment, the consequence is the same, loss of liberty, loss of freedom, loss of social wealth.

    Free market enthusiasts think that the hierarchy of state is bad, but the hierarchy of money-power is 'natural'. It's contradictory. Check your premises.

  • @saydaysago2008 I'm sorry, but this is nothing more but a bunch of neo-marxist bullshit. It offers no empiricism, only anecdotal shit, and it doesn't define terms. I'll take a block, but I really hope you truly learned some things after making this video. I see you're a zeitgeister as of recently, so I guess I have an understanding of your positions, but I still strongly disagree with the whole movement. Sorry, I can't stand something based on baseless