WOWIEsuch a 'legend' and supposedly great skater is given high praise for doing a triple triple in qualifying...other skaters have been doing these and more as a matter of course and ease for a very long time. Dick Button said it all...'not with this panel here'..meaning they won't hold her up and give her another unearned gold medal. A triple triple ...an accomplishment for someone who hung on forever and ever...how pathetic is that!? And then she couldn't even do it in the 'real deal'.
So frustrating -- all she had to do was throw in the extra triple toe right before the final spin, as she did successfully many times before, and she would have had 7 triples to Slutskaya's 6 and it would have been hard for them to justify denying Kwan the gold.
@Dylvente she was too far behind and at this time skating changed rules. you cant do 7 triples solo. 1 pass must be a 3-3 to allow a 7th triple to count.
@hrjr2009 Thanks, I was unaware of that rule change. However, at the Olympics she did attempt 7 triples and none in a 3-3. There she two-footed the first triple toe and (just about) fell on the flip, but succeeded in her 7th attempt at a triple by landing a triple toe. Did that not count? Or did the rule change happen just before Worlds?
Gettroll, when Dick said, not with this panel, he meant an all-European panel was going to hold up Irina and "reward' her with the gold she supposedly deserved in SLC. Do you even know what a lutz is? Or an edge? Yu Na is now training at Michelle's rink in LA, btw. Ha!
In what world, on what planet, does Michelle Kwan ever deserve a 5.7 for the artistic mark? What a joke these judges are. This and many other reasons are why the judging system needed a serious overhaul.
@kpsuggs Well Michelle did a lot better under the old 6.0 system lol. 5.7-5.8 was about right. I was never a fan of that program. She did skate it with a lot more speed and passion than she did at the Olympics though, so I would have given her a 5.8.
WOWIEsuch a 'legend' and supposedly great skater is given high praise for doing a triple triple in qualifying...other skaters have been doing these and more as a matter of course and ease for a very long time. Dick Button said it all...'not with this panel here'..meaning they won't hold her up and give her another unearned gold medal. A triple triple ...an accomplishment for someone who hung on forever and ever...how pathetic is that!? And then she couldn't even do it in the 'real deal'.
Yeah I would have liked to have seen her win the long program too. It would have been a nice consolation for her even though she couldnt win after her mistake in the short and Irina skating very clean and strong short and longs. Then again for Irina it was probably a nice bonus to win the long to boot even with Michelle skating clean, even though she would have won anyway.
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well.. in salt lake irina deserved gold and didn't win because the judges placed her in second on short program behind Kwan who cheated 1/2 turn on her 3flip! Here the judges are with Irina and at the olympics they were with USA team!
but Irina deserved this title and Kwan is a great skater but since 2000 that irina upset michelle and all others
no, irina was sloppy and all BUT fell. i usually like irina, but she had NO grace what so ever, and her hard jumps were totally clumsy. To me, Michelle AND Sarah outskated Irina by a long shot. it wouldnt have mattered AT ALL ABOUT THE PLACEMENT AFTER SHORT, they wanted it to go to sarah, who had the better skate that night, but not the best of the olympics, which it should have been judged on!
What is wrong with the International Skating Union? An all-European judging panel at the world championships in Japan? There should always be a diversity of judges. Michelle Kwan definitely suffered from this panel.
No offense to Irina Slutskaya. She's athletic, just not as artistic. If she had better music and a better choreographer, I wouldn't be as bored.
Well the final results (atleast the overall definitely was, people could argue the long program results which were very close between Irina and Michelle) were right but it still isnt right that all judges are from Europe. There should always be a balanced panel with countries from all over the world. That way atleast there is no a question of political favortism.
You should probably know that Europe is made up of more than 20 different countries; now the USA is only one country...and considering that there is an american judge at least in 1 out of two competitions I think this is really a pointless comment. By the way I love Kwan, it was not a critic to her.
This is true but U.S, Canada, Australia, China, Japan, Korea, are alot of countries and you dont see even 1 of t hose on the panel. That is the point. Anyway I am not complaining about the result, just the panel composition.
First of all Dick and Peggy both admitted before Michelle even had 1/2 the program completed that there was no way Michelle would win with THIS panel. Figure skating judges were notorious for block judging usually at the expense of American skaters. Irina usually did not skate cleanly, and on the odd occasion when she did, she usually won. Irina will never match Michelle's achievements and in most people's opinions--especially those who know skating, Michelle is the superior skater hands down.
Kwan is supposed to shake off that kind of pressure, if it really happened. I think it's greatly exagerrated. She is a master at defeating her own nerves, so I doubt it was Cohen's fault.
I may be wrong here but it was judging bias that cost Michelle this title. If you look closely, Dick pointed out the 5.7s (technical) and the 5.8s (presentation) The majority who gave those marks were eastern european judges. Since Irina was eastern european, she then got the vote of those judges.
Dick has his head up Michelle Kwan's ass so of course he will complain if any judge dares to give someone other then his goddess higher marks if she didnt atleast fall four times. Heck he even said she should have been 2nd after the short program at the 99 Worlds when others thought she was propped up to even be 4th after the short there. So what if some judges gave Michelle a 5.7 technical or a 5.8 artistic. Michelle is great but she is not some goddess.
I love this program, im a Michelle Kwan fan dating an Irina Slutskaya fan, and my guy and me argue about who's best whenever we bring the subject up. It's such a hard choice!!
Hmph. I actually would've given it to Kwan, but Irina was actually clean for a change. I think the judges could only compare the jumps...Irinas were bigger. But then I think her skating last and also the exciting end should've given her the edge. Especially since it's been the case for other skaters in the past. ROCK ON KWAN!
I think Michelle should have won the long program, but unfortunately it seemed like the judging panel was really biased towards Irina. Hopefully, the new judging system will better serve skating with correct placements.
First of all, there was also qualifying which factors in so Kwan did not control her own destiny because the percentages were different. Secondly, she did NOT win the lp. Slute did.
that's only applicable if it was just the short and the long. in 2002 there was the Q round, SP and LP. She was first in her Q group, 3rd in the SP and 2nd in the LP. It was the SP that did her in.
If it hadn't been for the situation where she didn't control her own destiny, the 2002 World Championships should've been hers. But because of her 3rd place finish in the SP, she only got silver despite winning the long program (I believe) over Slutskaya.
The commentary from this competition is very nice. I think Dick Button said something so beautiful and sad during her qualifying skate too. :)
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WOWIEsuch a 'legend' and supposedly great skater is given high praise for doing a triple triple in qualifying...other skaters have been doing these and more as a matter of course and ease for a very long time. Dick Button said it all...'not with this panel here'..meaning they won't hold her up and give her another unearned gold medal. A triple triple ...an accomplishment for someone who hung on forever and ever...how pathetic is that!? And then she couldn't even do it in the 'real deal'.
getrealandsee 8 months ago
Irina's gold medal at this World's was her consolation prize for not winning the Olympics (as if!).
idolfan9495 10 months ago
So frustrating -- all she had to do was throw in the extra triple toe right before the final spin, as she did successfully many times before, and she would have had 7 triples to Slutskaya's 6 and it would have been hard for them to justify denying Kwan the gold.
Dylvente 1 year ago
@Dylvente she was too far behind and at this time skating changed rules. you cant do 7 triples solo. 1 pass must be a 3-3 to allow a 7th triple to count.
hrjr2009 8 months ago
@hrjr2009 Thanks, I was unaware of that rule change. However, at the Olympics she did attempt 7 triples and none in a 3-3. There she two-footed the first triple toe and (just about) fell on the flip, but succeeded in her 7th attempt at a triple by landing a triple toe. Did that not count? Or did the rule change happen just before Worlds?
Dylvente 8 months ago
@Dylvente you are right, she did attempt 7 triples. I think it did not count against her because she failed to land the 3 flip...
hrjr2009 8 months ago
Gettroll, when Dick said, not with this panel, he meant an all-European panel was going to hold up Irina and "reward' her with the gold she supposedly deserved in SLC. Do you even know what a lutz is? Or an edge? Yu Na is now training at Michelle's rink in LA, btw. Ha!
idolfan9495 1 year ago
In what world, on what planet, does Michelle Kwan ever deserve a 5.7 for the artistic mark? What a joke these judges are. This and many other reasons are why the judging system needed a serious overhaul.
kpsuggs 1 year ago
@kpsuggs Well Michelle did a lot better under the old 6.0 system lol. 5.7-5.8 was about right. I was never a fan of that program. She did skate it with a lot more speed and passion than she did at the Olympics though, so I would have given her a 5.8.
fong03 1 year ago
WOWIEsuch a 'legend' and supposedly great skater is given high praise for doing a triple triple in qualifying...other skaters have been doing these and more as a matter of course and ease for a very long time. Dick Button said it all...'not with this panel here'..meaning they won't hold her up and give her another unearned gold medal. A triple triple ...an accomplishment for someone who hung on forever and ever...how pathetic is that!? And then she couldn't even do it in the 'real deal'.
getrealandsee 1 year ago
i love her. she's always smiling, whether she nailed the performance or not. it shows her love for the sport.
rampup82 2 years ago
After lose the combination in the sp, she was 3th she needs the 3toe-3toe to win, but doubled it.
Gedevanishvili 2 years ago
@Gedevanishvili As Dick Button said, not with this panel. :)
idolfan9495 11 months ago
had she thrown the 3T-3T instead of the 3T-2T, she could have won.
9701769 2 years ago 3
Her footwork is amazing!!
It'll take me quite some time to do half of what she can do...
HadachiHyomaru 2 years ago 2
Wow! Fast, very solid jumps, and extreme grace! She definitely won the LP ("but not with this panel of judges").
joshgardell 3 years ago
Yeah I would have liked to have seen her win the long program too. It would have been a nice consolation for her even though she couldnt win after her mistake in the short and Irina skating very clean and strong short and longs. Then again for Irina it was probably a nice bonus to win the long to boot even with Michelle skating clean, even though she would have won anyway.
lambielkwanfan 3 years ago 2
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well.. in salt lake irina deserved gold and didn't win because the judges placed her in second on short program behind Kwan who cheated 1/2 turn on her 3flip! Here the judges are with Irina and at the olympics they were with USA team!
but Irina deserved this title and Kwan is a great skater but since 2000 that irina upset michelle and all others
xlutskaya 3 years ago
no, irina was sloppy and all BUT fell. i usually like irina, but she had NO grace what so ever, and her hard jumps were totally clumsy. To me, Michelle AND Sarah outskated Irina by a long shot. it wouldnt have mattered AT ALL ABOUT THE PLACEMENT AFTER SHORT, they wanted it to go to sarah, who had the better skate that night, but not the best of the olympics, which it should have been judged on!
looneybun1 2 years ago
Super performance. Had she not made that mistake in the short program it would have been a tough decision for the judges between her and Irina.
beckerbombs 3 years ago 7
That would have easily won the gold in SLC.
PurpleIshKewl 4 years ago 9
Totally would have. I so wish she had done this in SLC for her long there!!
lambielkwanfan 3 years ago 6
Terrific performance, well deserved silver medal.
diskplaying 4 years ago 16
What is wrong with the International Skating Union? An all-European judging panel at the world championships in Japan? There should always be a diversity of judges. Michelle Kwan definitely suffered from this panel.
No offense to Irina Slutskaya. She's athletic, just not as artistic. If she had better music and a better choreographer, I wouldn't be as bored.
CUatTheApocalypse 4 years ago
Well the final results (atleast the overall definitely was, people could argue the long program results which were very close between Irina and Michelle) were right but it still isnt right that all judges are from Europe. There should always be a balanced panel with countries from all over the world. That way atleast there is no a question of political favortism.
lambielkwanfan 3 years ago 4
You should probably know that Europe is made up of more than 20 different countries; now the USA is only one country...and considering that there is an american judge at least in 1 out of two competitions I think this is really a pointless comment. By the way I love Kwan, it was not a critic to her.
Alekfendi 2 years ago
This is true but U.S, Canada, Australia, China, Japan, Korea, are alot of countries and you dont see even 1 of t hose on the panel. That is the point. Anyway I am not complaining about the result, just the panel composition.
lambielkwanfan 2 years ago
First of all Dick and Peggy both admitted before Michelle even had 1/2 the program completed that there was no way Michelle would win with THIS panel. Figure skating judges were notorious for block judging usually at the expense of American skaters. Irina usually did not skate cleanly, and on the odd occasion when she did, she usually won. Irina will never match Michelle's achievements and in most people's opinions--especially those who know skating, Michelle is the superior skater hands down.
zealot692002 4 years ago 5
Kwan is supposed to shake off that kind of pressure, if it really happened. I think it's greatly exagerrated. She is a master at defeating her own nerves, so I doubt it was Cohen's fault.
ShamusMacGuffin 4 years ago
That's a myth that has become out of control. She accidentally nearly ran into Kwan ONCE. It never happened again, but her fans went berserk!
ShamusMacGuffin 4 years ago 2
Anyone else notice that she doesn't have the extra ring of gold on this costume?
tenababy1 4 years ago 2
Personally, I love Michelle. It's about the complete package and to say she has that....that's a complete understatement. LOL
NYCTroy27 4 years ago 4
I may be wrong here but it was judging bias that cost Michelle this title. If you look closely, Dick pointed out the 5.7s (technical) and the 5.8s (presentation) The majority who gave those marks were eastern european judges. Since Irina was eastern european, she then got the vote of those judges.
delray29 4 years ago
Dick has his head up Michelle Kwan's ass so of course he will complain if any judge dares to give someone other then his goddess higher marks if she didnt atleast fall four times. Heck he even said she should have been 2nd after the short program at the 99 Worlds when others thought she was propped up to even be 4th after the short there. So what if some judges gave Michelle a 5.7 technical or a 5.8 artistic. Michelle is great but she is not some goddess.
raichmaneuvers 4 years ago
I love this program, im a Michelle Kwan fan dating an Irina Slutskaya fan, and my guy and me argue about who's best whenever we bring the subject up. It's such a hard choice!!
IceBaby17 4 years ago 2
Hmph. I actually would've given it to Kwan, but Irina was actually clean for a change. I think the judges could only compare the jumps...Irinas were bigger. But then I think her skating last and also the exciting end should've given her the edge. Especially since it's been the case for other skaters in the past. ROCK ON KWAN!
Nevelstraum 4 years ago 2
I think Michelle should have won the long program, but unfortunately it seemed like the judging panel was really biased towards Irina. Hopefully, the new judging system will better serve skating with correct placements.
yaletownvancouver 5 years ago
First of all, there was also qualifying which factors in so Kwan did not control her own destiny because the percentages were different. Secondly, she did NOT win the lp. Slute did.
kwadruple 5 years ago 3
wait....but the person that's in the top 3 after the SP's, but wins the Lp...wins regardless of anything right? She shouldve won here.
KweenBombersfan 5 years ago
that's only applicable if it was just the short and the long. in 2002 there was the Q round, SP and LP. She was first in her Q group, 3rd in the SP and 2nd in the LP. It was the SP that did her in.
lexlib 3 years ago 5
If it hadn't been for the situation where she didn't control her own destiny, the 2002 World Championships should've been hers. But because of her 3rd place finish in the SP, she only got silver despite winning the long program (I believe) over Slutskaya.
mariahfan444 5 years ago
She didn't win the long program.
idolfan9495 2 years ago