Using rock dust powder remineralization combined with terra-preta powdered charcoal crop yields can increase by 880% by them alone. Combine it with compost innoculated with peat containing GE-FREE nitrogen-fixing rhizobial bacteria and mycrorrhizal fungi strains yields will further increase 4 to 16 times more depending on what crops are being growned.
a true free market is true cooperation... not a true communist government.
however we live in a keynesian corporatist world with groupthink and no idea of closed loop models because infinite credit has shifted markets away from cost efficiency which would have helped bring back localism and sustainability...
so dont blame capitalism... blame socialism inherent in the debt creation printed by the federal reserve banking system.
Cuba is a ecological place.. they have not been industrialized and have a real chance at efficient microsystems... the problem is cubans have less private property rights and that means no constitution
I dont understand why people would worship socialism... my friends aunt is in cuba now, she has the military show up with weapons to count her pigs.. if the quota is over they take the pigs.
the govt there will not let you start a permaculture or design science based on any self sufficient economic practice so why do Americans and Australians in more libertarian societies seem to believe Cuba is better? I can start aquaponics on my property in Florida and produce as much as I can.
@sustainable2012 cruising along the Brisbane , Gold Coast freeway, i saw the funniest thing i have seen in ages, a really expensive looking car with a che guevara sticker on rear window. There are a lot of university students in Aust who are brain washed by the green left weekly, or the socialist alliance bullshit. I am sure there are a lot of cubans who would be happy to trade places with the ugrateful australian che t shirt clique.
low instances of both diabetes and heart disease. this is due to the correlation between diet and health - see 'forks over knifes' and/or the book the china study. thanks for the upload! :)
i am extremely worried about politicians leading our country... they are trying to let us keep up our hoggish way of life, and that is not good. speaking of living locally... i think that the suburbs can actually prosper if you make your own organic gardens, share and trade with other people, and turn to solar, wind and geothermal. the suburbs also allow for a more social way of life. i don't understand where this "end of suburbia" crap is coming from, but it is BS. suburban permaculture FTW! :)
Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us today. Sadly, they even pollute important topics such as Peak Oil, with useless radical propaganda. Cuba gets its oil from Venezuela, the deal in slavery (doctors), UNREAL
"The Power of PROPAGANDA: They exported 120,000 to Miami whom send a fortune to family . They have a new currency in which they sell young girls to fat tourists who cannot get laid in their own country. There is oil for tourist buses, food for hotels and there is plenty of food for the army elite who run the prostitution tourist trade. The only "community" is that which spies on its citizens and feeds urban garden nonsense to eager little minds with no grasp on REALITY. I weep for humanity!
@USAHavana - please, spare us the lies that the bad aspects of Cuba's govt are somehow any worse than the bad aspects of any other govts.
Why are you even trying to paint 'the west' as some paved-with-gold land of opportunity? It is nothing of the type. I live in it and it's impossible to afford anywhere to live that is near to being decent, there's not even allotments available. The west has lost the plot in most cases and capitalism has always been wrong.
@USAHavana - look, in the west all you get is access to good that are cheap - because of false economies that exploit other poorer humans and nature. You get cheap AV goods that allow you to pass the time that you should be spending on doing proper healthy worthwhile permaculturey etc activities towards making society self-sufficient and free.
@USAHavana - listen this is Scotland for you, Inverclyde Council - they pay people public money, in one of the poorest areas in the UK, to rip out blackberry bushes from a supposed 'enterprise zone' that is meant to be about improving work access for residents. Meanwhile down the road at Tesco they sell blackberries for £1.50 for about 10 berries at the most.
So I say to them - why don't you just leave the bushes in & sell the fruits? - It's because the Council decided to rip them all out.
@MannySteinerBIeeky How amazingly sophomoric when people trivialize and pollute an important topic like peak oil with Cuban communist party propaganda. "Blackberries'? Really? In Cuba you get 30 years for "counter revolutionary thinking", if you dare complain, they RIP YOUR HEART OUT, much less your"blackberry plant". Good grief..they shoot 60's "hippies" and place the rest in UMAP concentration camps. Look it up. What a disservice to such an important topic.
@USAHavana - you're talking total fucking shite, so just shut the fuck up you evil neocon-payroll bitch.
Scum like you are paid by fucking republicans etc to talk shit about any commie anything, when your masters are way worse than any commies ever were, even the gulags under stalin.
Fucking bush-govt tool type. Fat ungrateful bitch just fuck off to Miami then see how much the yanks want you really when you aren't just spraying propaganda lies for them.
@MannySteinerBIeeky Your gratuitous verbal abuse and insult is evidence that you suffer from AMERICAMANIA. A common Scottish mental illness based on ur feelings of powerlessness, inferiority and inadequacy. The fear of humiliation, ridicule and uselessness is so common in the UK, that it borders on pathological cliche. You cunts are pathologically obsessed with Bush and the USA, if Bush provokes so much fear in you, seek psychiatric help. Run along now! LMAO!
@USAHavana - you and Bush are the same evil disease, the fake-nazi skull&bones that are traitors against the real SS, plus you're capitalist nature-rapist child-molester-cult scum.
Kill yourself lowlife evil scum. Your kind are the fake-aryan-master race that has destroyed Earth so much moreso since you put your Israel zionism on the map in 1945 - the total opposite of the nazis you hide behind in tha insidious occult way, cause they value the natural environment. Kill yourself scum.
@ManicStinkyBIeaky Oh my.."babylon blasphemer?" you compress the most words into the smallest idea of any cretan I know. If you were twice as smart, you'd still be stupid. You never open your mouth without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge. "child-molester cult"? You posess all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire... In short, you bore me. I look forward to reading your obituary with great eagerness. May Mohamed fuck your eager ASS (arse) in hell. LMAO!
@USAHavana - look scum, you Frequency-Controllers days are literally fucking numbered. You know who I am so you match that to what your spying paedo-cult knows I've been making public about you.
The only future for humans - real humans like Che that child-molesters like you despise because they highlight exactly why your kind are so worthless and evil and undeserving of fuck-all from this or any other planet - is to be 100% sustainable and holistic. You have no chance, kill yourself scum.
@MannySteinerBIeeky Sheer insanity dominated by relatively stable, often paranoid, delusions, usually accompanied by hallucinations, particularly of the anal variety, and perceptual ignorance is a tempting explanation for the persistent willingness of useless idiots like u who attack the foundations of their own freedom lauding the forces that would destroy them. Totalitarian societies are masters of disinformation, propaganda, and outright lies, 4u the bigger the penis up ur ass the better.
@USAHavana - scum, you're the one blowing uncle sam's horn here because your lame fucking capitalist scumfuck culture can't even come up with the easy solutions like putting permaculture in all urban areas, which Cuba bothered to do a lot towards. Your mentality (who are all fag scum and obsessed with anus abusing) see others success and you are so jealous, instead of being normal and doing the same correct thing. Kill yourself useless-eater.
@USAHavana - your fat bullying usual method of trying to takeover good ideas without having to admit you never thought of them first (& then what your kind tend to do is change the definition of what that idea really means, and flood your considerable media outlets with the new liar version that strips all goodness from it), won't work when it comes to things like permaculture etc, because the truth is as old as there's been people of any kind anywhere, not something you can copyright.
Try listening to FREE CUBANS, Cuba has DONE NADA , ZERO, they tax relatives ad infinitum and pocket the cash. Its a Russian Model, ala RUSSIAN MAFIA! Please grow a brain, discuss New Urbanism, end suburban sprawl, LIKE WE ARE DOING IN MIAMI. Spare me the kuddos on mass murderers "going green" . Good grief, you are turning an important topic into a massive joke, CDR';s a rapid response brigades, the INFORM ON DISSIDENTS, MY GOD the are STASI trained. Grow up. In Cuba, EVERYONE WANT TO LEAVE!
@USAHavana, this conversation was centered around the film "The Power of Community: How Cuba survived Peak Oil." It doesn't get into politics, economic models, dictatorships, etc. at all. It is about the work of urban permaculturists who jump-started urban agriculture when the oil dried up. Food survival, that's all.
@peakmoment I suppose we can praise Nazi Germany's green fuels, hyper-inflation survival and the ever so efficient VW bug! Since you don't get into 'politics' then your moral compass allows praise for the SS and their good work securing farmland, ya think? PLEASE! SPARE ME! Cuba HAS DONE NOTHING but slave their doctors to Venez in exchange for oil they sell on the global market. Even Kunstler scoffs at Cuba as any sort of model. Cuban food survival comes from the US, not urban gardens!
I truly want to prepare for peak oil and inform my listeners. Yet THIS UTTER IDIOTIC NONSENSE ABOUT CUBA AS A MODEL JUST DESTROYS ANY CREDIBILITY. Cuba has "survived" because Cubans in the USA send BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN REMITANCES. Please cut the crap ans stay on topic. PRAY YOU ARE NOT FORCED TO LIVE IN A 53 YEAR DICTATORSHIP/MONARCHY LIKE CUBA. HOW can anyone take peak oil seriously, when this ideological sophomoric dogma is pushed? The Cuban government? Are you MAD? Please stick to MARXISM.
@sierracuban, that's not what this program is about. It was about a film about how Cuba responded when Russia no longer was shipping oil to them. Mostly the film is about food - urban permaculture. It didn't touch the politics.
@peakmoment OF COURSE IT IS POLITICAL...........EVERYTHING is political......Had Cuba still been a FREE nation, this would NOT have happened to her........YOU DID NOT see Cuba when it was an economic paradise, I DID.......CUBA WAS ECONOMICALLY AT THE TOP OF THE AMERICAS........IT HAD A HUGE MIDDLE CLASS........OUR PESO IN 1952 WAS WORTH MORE THAN THE DOLLAR......
And now you TRY to dictate to me what this video is about ????? IT IS ABOUT PROPAGANDA CRAP....
Wow, this is an example of a good interview. Not too much of those whiney voices, no fake condescending compliments. Though I for one don't feel edison's lightbulb should go obsolete just yet.
Something like 70% of grain grown in the USA goes to feed herbivores - which shouldn't eat grain. If we switch to a perennial prairie polyculture to feed our herbivores, we could take all that land out of annual production in less than 2 years. This would remove the machines from the land which perform those tasks, hence cutting our oil/gas usage by a huge percentage.
Look into Joel Salatin's ideas about pasturing poultry, cattle and other animals.
@permalove1, great! Watching the film "King Corn", we learned how the US subsidy for corn has led to feeding cattle that excess corn, while they're grass eaters. Joel Salatin is fabulous. We videotaped five Joel Salatin presentations in one day - you can get it on peakmoment-dot-tv.
at 18:30 "How do we make changing our way of living, appealing" We can't. You learn to feed yourself and your neighbours or you die. Do not underestimate how abolute this change we be for us.
"biofuel - very poor land utilization." then use the waste material from growing food crops. Or animal waste. Or choose land that isn't good enough for food crops.
Only subhuman shitheads believe in religion. What a colossal, unnecessary waste of human energy. Christians & muslims: if you love wasting time & energy (other people's time & energy, unfortunately) so much, go find your own planet to live on for a month & destroy. Leave planet earth to vegans and those of us who sacrifice and self conserve.
Selfish little babies who refuse to change their lifestyles - such as giving up eating meat in order to reduce the torture & needless breeding of animals for food - need to be forced by law & gunpoint to be castrated.
@qarohc I see none of you so-called "brave anti-communists" says a word against North Korea or China. That's because China and NK could kick your ass. I vote (in the USA) Communist and Socialist when I can. Even *I* support blowing up China & NK, because they support enslaving their people for the sake of big business: Wal-Mart - the opposite of socialism.
If you love living on $1/day working 20 hours/day, go move to rightwing ultra-nationalist China & NK.
Great video! No propaganda here at all. I am sure all the anti-environmentalists and anti-solar anti-wind-power pro-oil nuts would prefer to live in a rightwing dictatorship like United Arab Emirates where they chop off your head for not wearing a stupid piece of cloth or for being an atheist. Go move to UAE, all you Bush-Reagan-loving pussies.
You idiots are talking about how bad cuba is when it's america's own fucking fault. We placed trade embargo's on Cuba because they were socialist, because they wanted public resources vs private. At the same time we were trading with china and numerous other communist countries. Cubs is an island so it was brutally hard to them to survive without good trade. Stupid fucking americans.
The lesson learned is that cuba was able to do it because they didn't have to step down as much as the people in complex societies i.e. the U.S....they were bred, taught, reinforced and fed consumption from birth either....
I can't help laugh seeing these people talk about how great Cuba is. Why don't they go live there? yes as Americans we consume way too much but going back and trying to live like our great grandparents is not the answer.
@AEKARA27 The film we're discussing ("The Power of Community: How Cuba Survived Peak Oil") primarily looks at the Cuban response during the "special Period" when Soviet oil stopped coming: -- how urban permaculturists helped jumpstart food production in urban areas as quickly as possible. And also how free healthcare was provided at neighborhood levels (something the U.S. has yet to do), shared transportation -- how they responded.
I am cuban, we had to cultivate as a desperate measure because of the USA embarq so we don't dye of hunger. how can you come here to Cuba in your tourist car look at us and them come back to USA talking so much garbage and saying that you use us as an inspiration... What a sick brain you have?
@TheBluetata, I'm neither a communist nor did I go to Cuba? I hosted this program with a woman who was part of a film team that documented mostly the work of urban permaculturists who helped people grow food after the Soviet oil stopped coming. Cuba did a lot better than North Korea in the same condition. I'm not sure how well America would do if the oil just stopped being imported. Would we see a lot of deaths, like N. Korea, or could we adapt, like Cuba?
So the secret to surviving peak oil is to destroy your country and to allow a dictator to control every facet of your life?
Please move to Cuba, and give away your dollars and live like the citizens of Cuba. It will take no more than a week for you to realize that Cuba is a hell hole. No food, no liberty and the threat of your neighbors turning you in for saying the wrong thing about the government.
Why dont you come up with a real solution instead of spewing this dictatorship propaganda?
@qarohc, the video and this conversation aren't about the politics in Cuba, nor the living conditions. As I've written before, "The Power of Community: How Cuba Survived Peak Oil" is primarily about the work of urban permaculturists to jump-start local food production when the industrial food system broke down after Russian oil stopped and people were starving.
People where starving before the "Russian oil stopped" the situation just became worse and your willingness to ignore the politics and the living conditions are dishonest.
Ill put it in another way that may be easier to understand, would you claim that Haiti can teach us how to consume less oil in the United States? No, because it is a ridiculous comparison.
The reason Cuba has home made food and consumes little oil is because of the "politics" and the living conditions.
@qarohc You are right,it's better to go someplace where they have oil,call them terrorist,kill them all ,and thake their oil,and call it a democracy.If you don't like the solution,don't do it,but stop with your arrogant ideology,where only West have all the answers.You are the one that created this mess,and stop with you hypocritical stories of "freedom and democracy".
- im a Cuban born refuge from the glorious Castro utopia, so your idiotic ranting against the west was premature. I dont give a shit about your political ideology, much less your childish name calling.
If you want to talk about the problem of oil thats one thing but using Cuba as a model is mind boggling and disrespectful to the victims of that regime.
@qarohc It have with everything that you said,you immediately dismissed potential solution,just coz it's done by the Cubans.And what model do you propose,the one that West got,why don't you start counting victims that Western oil model did to Africa,Latin America and Asia,and compere them with Cuba.If you want to talk about your idiotic ranting against Cuba,this is not the place to do."Find solution,but not the one that Cuban use",that is "brilliant thinking.
solution- reduce your country to a starving barely surviving mass unless you are part of the government.
The saddest thing about people like you is that most of you have a good heart at first and want to help others. The most dangerous thing is that you are used by sadistic manipulative people in order to build up dictatorships. That then use you to intimidate, kill,and pacify your fellow "comrades".
btw- i live in a free country so dont tell me what i can say and where
@saki01248 qarohc is subhuman brainless shit, thinking that only Castro and only Cuba have been cruel dictatorships and tha only HIS hardships count. At least Castro has done far more good than bad, redistributing wealth from the non-productive lazy rich to the hardworking poor. He should try living in the hellhole of Peru, where American freedom-fighting hero Lori Berenson was held hostage for 20 years in a shithole prison.
Open your mind... forget your anti Castro politics. The film portrays Cuba after the collapse of the Soviet Union in the early nineties NOT Cuba from 1959 to 1991.
rpr1020, thats specifically the Cuba I am referring to. Life in Cuba has gotten much worse since 1991. Cuba currently imports over 80% of its food. Look it up on Google, you'll see it mentioned in CNN, Havana Journal and even Wikipedia.
A large percentage of it comes from the US. Since 2000, the embargo does not include food or medicine, as long as its paid in cash. The US is Cuba's 5th largest trading partner. I'm not being closed minded, I'm telling you the truth.
Horrors, no! However, if we humans (like any animal population) exceed the carrying capacity of our landbase, our numbers will drop. Beyond capacity = less food = fewer humans fed = lower population.
The question will be whether we find a humane way to reduce our numbers or let nature do the culling. There are plenty of inhumane ways for humans to reduce the populations, and we see it happening worldwide.
Yes indeed, it is safe to say that at least in the last 100 years, the human population grew from 1 billion to 7 billion inhabitants.
Just like the peak oil, the peak of population will fall as well. Much because there isn't gonna be enough land for everyone to plant crops, there will not be frankein fertilizers, because they use oil components, and if oil becomes expensive, so will the fertilizers, and also, because people disconnected themselves from the land.
@weslingm euthanized? I'm very sure he is not advocating euthanasia. He is just witnessing euthanasia... Well I would put it euthanasia, but if you take a look at the grown of the population in the last 100 years, with the advent of oil, it's a pretty scary growth. Bigger than mount everest!!! (to be ironic)
So, people don't actually have to call for euthanasia, nature itself, and laws of thermal and dynamic energy already founded the laws. Now the thing is survive or perish...
@weslingm The problem is that those who call for 90% euthanization rate are such a small minority. We need to be a majority & powerful political force.
And, no - not euthanization. Simply killed. 90% of people, in USA, China, Iran - deserve to be tortured & killed for their endless support of Demopubs & Republicrats in the USA and rightwing theocratic dictatorships in Iran & Poland (they actually arrest people over trivial "blasphemy" charges against catholic bullshit)
The US government looks green to extort more money from the oil cartells. It is a con game that plays both sides. The greener the US government looks and acts the more money the oil companies pay to pass legislation.
Take a look at the work of retired oil geologist Colin Campbell: there are physical limits to this non-renewable resource, and we seem to be approaching the limits. Not that we will run out of oil, but that it will cease to be cost-effective. It'll take more energy to get a barrel than we get back. Then the game is over, cartels and governments regardless.
well, knowing that the peak oil has been predicted from more than half a decade, and the peak oil already turned in the 70's. But I don't think they really want to raise prices like that, otherwise, when people don't have money to use oil to sustain their way of life, a similar scenario like greece can happen all over the globe. Why do you think the state police is for. State police is usually used in fascist regimes, and is a fascist derivative...
I hope people take this with a grain of salt. How can someone who has been to Cuba for 10 days call herself an expert. People are starving in Cuba and have to hunt for food in the garage. The Government of Cuba would love for all to see Cuba in this glorious light but its not the reality. People are starving and suffering we need to help them. This is coming from someone who lived in Cuba for 24 years. The real expert.
The film "The Power of Community" doesn't claim that all of Cuba's food security problems were solved. Simply that when the oil ended, there were permaculturists who'd been marginalized, and they had methods for quickly growing food in cities and elsewhere. Reduced the starvation levels quickly.
According to new Cassini data, Saturns largest moon, Titan, has "hundreds" times more liquid hydrocarbons than all the liquid fossil fuel deposits on Earth.
What counts is: how much energy would it take us to get it, and how much would we get back for our investment? If it takes 2 barrels of oil to get back 1.5 barrels worth of equivalent energy, it's a net loss not worth doing.
Peakmoment--This is truth:The US government has suppressed non-poluting energy since the 1890's. The US government is suppressing that technology today. They call it disruptive technology. Research that and teach others.
You can purchase the DVD at PeakMoment (dot) tv website. Sometimes people have public showings in their community -- often sponsored by a peak oil awareness or transition kind of group. HopeDance Films might have a rentable copy hopedance (dot) org. It's really inspiring.
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..theres no such thing as " Peak oil " the so-called experts are regularly wrong [ the world was due to run out in 1990 hahahaha ] besides soon cars will not use much oil. biofuels make up a tiny fraction of food production tho there is a local effect. Capitalism means only a quarter of the world is poor as opposed to %99 poverty.
All the dum-dums are too arrogant to admit that Cuba did it right by moving over to urban market gardens. They think they are above re-greening the cities, cause 'monkeys' don't like being reminded they are still just naked apes - they try to distance themselves from nature....it's very sad.
Criminal to use food to produce fuel -- agree. I'm okay with farmers using some biomass to create fuel for their farm equipment (although preferred to use waste materials). Even better, make biogas from animal manure like the farmers in India do.
Unfortunately, our capitalist system is biased towards the wealthy. We are already using corn (food) for fuel in the U.S. while others starve.
Just think of this though: in 1917, 25% of US agricultural production was used to feed productive farm animals (draught horses and the like). with the use of petroleum that 25% is now used to produce food for human consumption
Its impossible to reduce consumption unless you reduce population first. We must enact birth restrictions world wide so our population can begin to fall naturally.
It doesn't matter how much we cut back on consuming, population growth negates any gains. We must lower population because peak oil, food, energy is upon us and it was reached years ago.
The environment -- the services provided for free like air, water, soil, pollination, transforming organic waste -- ARE the entire basis for all life. That's primary.
Human life and activities are secondary. Destroy earth (as industrial society is doing), and there are no humans and nobody else.
If Israel bombs Iran, odds are good there will be rioting in the U.S. within 30 days, due to the rise in oil prices.
Cuba has already "been there, done that". Many Cuban cities get 50% to 80% of their food from growers IN THOSE CITIES, and the nutrition quality of that food equals or exceeds the best American organic produce.
Once Israel goes after Iran, everything in the U.S. changes BIG TIME.
Cuba Libre!!!! Free Cuba!!!!abajo fidel!!!abajo con el communismo!!!abajo con el socialismo!!!!!! Que Viva Miami!!!!! Que Viva USA!!!! Que Viva EE.UU.!!!!!!!
Solar, wind, geothermal, tidal energy, advanced batteries,solar thermal many many solutions all work well varied on the conditions. also the one major thing that would over rule all of the alternatives is optimising what we have already using advanced L.E.D's to light streets at night is 1/10th compared to today's standard
Buda, this is a classic green tech response. Maybe get to know David Holmgren and Bill Mollison, and embrace a little permaculture? Everyone, and I mean everyone, has ideas about how we can live more efficiently. And you're right, LEDs are very efficient compared to incandescents.
But when you consider that street lights interupt human biorhythms, causing problems ranging from breast cancer to autism, the permaculture question, "Do we really need to do this at all?" really comes to bear...
People, we don't need to do EVERYTHING the Cubans did. We need to learn, not repeat! So, I'll put in my order for a better world.
I'll have an order of Cuban Permaculture, some Vietnamese bicycles, French Nuclear technology and some Canadian style Healthcare (beats the US stuff I DON'T HAVE). Oh, and I'd like to skip the Castro, U.S. Neocons and keep the English. Oh, and I'll have an extra order of condoms for a steady state population too. Not to go, I'll have it here.
Very good response from cubano1979. These two women don't know a bit what they are talking about. Cuba as a model for the US? I invite them two to live in Cuba, not as an american, but as any ordinary cuban would. They would come back in a week....!
I do not think they are encouraging anyone to live there, they are aware of how tough it is. They are just discussing a community response to an artificial peak oil crisis. I do take my hat off for the Cubans who did a very good job, especially with the permaculture, Nowadays 85% of their agriculture is organic, that is remarkable
If you support abortion rights you supported killing over 50 million defenseless children in the womb. NAZI's were evolutionists and also supported abortion. Do you believe in evolution? Wake up sheep!
When the children are in the womb they are not fully alive yet. They have no emotions or feelings. Can you remember being in your mothers womb and hoping she wouldn't abort you - no. You are the sheep, abortion is good. It's not the same as murdering a baby or a child, they are just a seed. Without abortion, thre are more people in the world, consuming more finite recources, and contributing to sucking the planet dry. Don't compare us to nazis just because we don't want overpopulation. Jerk.
Killing a fetus can not be compared to killing a fully formed human being, that is clear.
But you are still doing a morally objectionable thing in killing a fetus unless you have a good reason for it and it it the decision of the woman that has the fetus in her womb that decides what is the justification for it.
Your claim that abortion is good is callous amoral and alienates people on your side of this argument.
In my opinion, if a woman does not want a baby, there are a few ways this can go. The best way is where the woman uses precautions to ensure it does not happen. If she doesn't do this (silly careless woman), and get's an unwanted pregnancy, all is not lost, she can just remove the SEED from her(aka abortion IS good). There is nothing wrong with this, there is no little person inside you begging not to be aborted, they do not actually exist yet with feelings and emotions. Abortion isn't murder.
There are a lot of miserable people in this world that are seriously depressed, and have no where to turn. They don't want to die, they just wish they weren't born. There are people who are extremely selfish, because they can't afford to feed themselves yet still choose to have a baby and then that baby's life is made miserable. A lot of depressed people out there are probably sad that they weren't aborted. Without abortion, a lot of useless consuming parasites of the planet will be born.
If disaster doesn't strike and starve us all to death..... if we DO learn to grow food better and survive..... if we get past peak oil in flying colors...... we will continue to overpopulate and the earth will become a momocrop of humans along with all their plantations.... then eventualy something will fail, and all starve to death anyway. We need to reduce our numbers
Right on. Its amazing how the core of most arguments are ignored. We don't consume too much.... we expect too many people to be able to consume so much. The average joe knows nothing about numbers, scale energy and population.
Im going to get flamed here, but I DO CARE. Its very irritating to hear so many words come from a persons mouth and they never really say anything at all, to help. She says she believes there is a better way, but she does not really say what that is. She says something about grow your own food or something like that, but how will that work for millions of people in New York all stacked on top of each other? They got no dirt. Shes egotistical, self righteous and a hypocrite. Thats my best guess.
I'm glad you care. Having talked a lot with Megan, so does she. Last fall we taped a short Peak Moment conversation with her (Shocks, Shortages & Scenarios - Planning for a Post-Oil Future), she talked about working in her community to help people learn to cope with emergencies like power outages. The film we talked about, The Power of Community, shows how Cuba (including urban areas) did a lot of urban gardens and more.
Thanks peakmoment. :) I have spent a few hours today listening to this video, basically just coming to terms with what I have known to be a matter of truth since I was a small child. Ironically, what I understand is a good thing in spite of the apparent birth pains we will have to go throufh. Scary as all get out, but good as well. We need it, all of us. Time to set fear aside and embrace all that is good. That is my platform from now on. I'll at least try and keep that attitude going if I can.
Yes, we're reaching the limits to growth, with our human overpopulation and now declining resources. And our major institutions (govts esp) are in major denial. Very scary. Wise observers say we can no longer mitigate the worst of the problems, only adapt. It's not a matter of if things collapse, but how far. But an attitude of acknowledging the fear, sitting with it, is perhaps the best gift you giver yourself and the world.
Something about Megan she just gets me! I would love to have her real organic in a bush like. There is nothing wrong with nuclear. With zero population growth nuclear can sort us out no end. When peak oil comes we will still use oil for farming. Its just the wasteful personal transport that has to go and air travel.
So you like nuclear? Think of this.... suppose the foolishness of humankind leads to it's sudden downfall via ecomomic collapse.... starvation...followed by WW3. Suppose then the self-destruction is 95% total. What then for the surviving 5%? Will they have the means to deal with all the nuclear material left around ? How will the decaying nuclear plants effect the enviroment? What about the maintanance of past waste? Perhaps this will kill the remaining life on earth. A dead plannet?
So we should plan around 95% human casualty? How does nuclear waste in one location lead to "a dead planet"?. Why would nuclear waste in one already useless area "effect the environment"? You mention the word "decay" as if to suggest some sort poisons is given off like in biomass decay or river decay. if you understand you would realise that a coal pit or land fill is about 1000 worse than a nuclear waste dump. People are still hanging on to cold-war no 'nuke' sentiment.
No Chernobyl is a great reason why nuclear should be treated with care, OK we might have better scientists and work regulations than the U.S.S.R but things like earthquakes and area's with extreme weather conditions to be taken into account, I'm not saying no to nuclear but not as a sole replacement to fossil based energy
Nobody said Chenrobyl should be ignored or that Nuclear plants are 100% without fault. But its the ONLY (once you run the numbers) energy source that can replace fossil-electric in the near term. Here some food for thought while you are deciding, a coal power station outputs more radioactivity to the environment than a nuclear one. Also it would take every factory in the world that produces solar panels working at maximum capacity for 50 years to make enough panels to replace oil energy alone.
I believe its a double edged sword because USA has not a great reserve for Uranium, we don't mind taking your money in Australia for minerals just ask China, money would be going offshore and to dig up ship out and refine is still a huge burden, and money offshore? USA cannot afford to do this anymore
Well lucky USA is not the only country in the world... I will add money falls out of the equation. Energy is before money, you need energy to move an economy you need energy to spend money. There's no way around this. Not turning too the only real energy alternative on financial grounds is folly. Though your original sentiment I think is a good idea, using nationalist sentiment to stirr up debate and change on issues like peak oil are very good.
Hi. I know you wrote this comment over one year ago but something you said caught my interest. Specifically,
"it would take every factory in the world that produces solar panels working at maximum capacity for 50 years to make enough panels to replace oil energy alone."
Are you perhaps able to provide a reference (or even two) showing the data here?
American Goverment wil never accept Cuban originated model for as long as Cuba label ON IT. USA Goverment members have this deep rejection of backwardness as being cubans. They should more promote as localization than Cuban model at first.
Very cool, however the expect lower standard of life, on the other hand it may be good for people to go out of the current stupidity. But after a generation people will miss cheap energy, because they will forget about the stupidity. May be massive nuclear power station will be required to keep the zoombie sistem going...
Well said. I'm glad my family's getting a mental grip on all this while there's still time to make energy descent pleasant, and not quite so eye-popping! I read back over some of the earlier commentary on this video, and it seems that even decades later our personal responses to decreasing energy availablity will rest on our attitudes.
This is a good thing, folks! Embrace it! High energy mass consumption is a sickness, completely outside nature, and has left too many victims...
First, I really love what you guys are doing. Not enough of this info out there. But I do want to comment on an observation you make in the interview, that this transisition will be toughest on the poor.
I disagree. I think it's toughest on the highly consumptive, label junkies. Poor people already know how to make sacrifices and be resourceful when need be. I don't worry about the poor in this, and I don't have much sympathy for the unprepared. But I'll help them if I can.
Thanks for your support and your comment. I agree with you about the poor knowing how to be resourceful, and that consumers will be hard pressed unless they're prepared both psychologically and physically. My concerns for the poor are with those who don't have family/social networks to draw on, esp. some elderly, handicapped. And urban poor without access to farms. As govt social supports fall away (as they're planning even now), they may be very vulnerable.
Ms. Quinn is an excellent spokesperson for the Community Solutions. The video (now podcast) "Power of Community: How Cuba surved the peak oil?" is a must see for everyone. Thanks to the Cuban people for being a model of survival and hope!
Ms. Quinn is an excellent spokesperson for the Community Solutions. The video (now podcast) "Power of Community: How Cuba surved the peak oil?" is a must see for everyone. Thanks to the Cuban people for being a model of survival and hope!
Yes, we should be taking the lead in reducing consumption, building efficient technologies. Many hope it can happen under Obama. But with so many deeply entrenched interests, and a worldwide depression that's a symptom of this civilization collapsing, the challenges may be difficult to meet.
I don't want the suffering that peak oil will (and is) causing. But our burning of oil and coal is the major cause of global climate chaos, which is causing and will cause enormous changes in the biosphere. Oil for agriculture is also cause of population expansion, and consumption, causing the destruction of ecosystems. So yes, I guess I could say I want it for the planet's sake, even though I hate to see the suffering.
Since our politicians and institutions are disinclined to enact unpopular policies to reduce energy use, we citizens must do it ourselves, and pressure them to do so. To reduce carbon emissions back to a "safe" level, we must reduce our energy demand 90% within this decade. How? Reduce oil and coal use big time.
We CAN do it, personally and in our communities. Take the lead, Claus, in southern Spain, in creating the transition.
It's not just the politicians we are up against, it's the 99% of the population that are in a coma, obsessed with greed and comfort and/or just full of wind themselves when they talk about the enviroment ie: they may bleat about it, but will not accept the price of reform.
cuba did not survive the peak oil trouble. In cuba there were blackout every day. Yo will have 8 hr of power and 8 hrs off. All day long. This was on the capital on the rest of the city they cubans did not have any power if anything 3 to 4 hr of power all day long.
But Cubans didn't die off in huge numbers, did they? They found a way through the crisis, and most people survived, even though food and energy supplies were seriously reduced.
the sky did not fall,.. oil is cheap once again,. The whole thing was B/S and the envious candy reed communist, are silent again, and repairing the innertubes of their bicycles, and train to plant bananas in their gardens. jajaja
I expect that the Cubans who lived through that "special period" didn't think it was BS. Oil prices may be down, partly because demand is down. But watch supply as well. Global supply is declining 9% per year (Intl Energy Agency report 008), discoveries are declining; the largest wells are all in decline. Prices won't stay down forever, with a supply picture like that.
Especial period = communist dictatorship cause famine.
Oil is not only Mr,dinosaur recycled body, Oil is a natural product of the Earth, accumulated solar energy in all living forms for millions of years, and.. renewable!
It is true that we have to conserve oil,. that's a fact.. but supply is not in immediate danger, and new drilling tech is getting to new and deeper places to billions of Barrels, also some new sources of energy are here and in the horizon,. I think we will be just fine!
Long time observers of petroleum/oil supplies like Matt Simmons and Robert Hirsch noted just this week that the International Energy Agency's report (Nov 2008) basically says that oil decline is at about 9% a year. The new discoveries are smaller, deplete quicker, harder (more expensive) to get. Demand is increasing faster than supply. Basically, they say, we're in a heap of trouble.
In Cuba you have no freedom! The reason there are farms on every plot of land is because people are hungry. The reason they are conserving energy is because the government shuts the electricity is cut off every night. The socialist government is still there! I believe in learning from what they have done due to necessity. Necessity is the mother of invention. I would not celebrate the 45 years that my family has been separated or the tyrannical grip that binds Cuba. We must free Cuba! Cubalibre
This video wasn't about Cuba's political system, but how they responded when the oil imports suddenly stopped, as seen in the documentary "The Power of Community: How Cuba Survived Peak Oil." If that happened here in the U.S., would we adapt as quickly as Cuba, or as well?
Hi, you can also add that regardless the tree hurricanes and all the misery in Cuba,. Castro has plenty of oil for his vintage Rusky tanks, a lot of food for his soldiers.
A policeman (enforcer) gets paid in Cuban pesos but.. gets paid more than a doctor,. or a engineer,. or a teacher!,. EVERY POLICEMAN and SECURITY PERSONNEL in Cuba makes more money that a university graduate!!... This is another "thing" that we can all,. learn from Cuba's... PeaK OiL!!
Why then does it have one of the world's best education and health care system? It might be poor because of the 45 year economic strangulation by the US but it continues to survive, and create a stable economic base and environmental sustainability
Using rock dust powder remineralization combined with terra-preta powdered charcoal crop yields can increase by 880% by them alone. Combine it with compost innoculated with peat containing GE-FREE nitrogen-fixing rhizobial bacteria and mycrorrhizal fungi strains yields will further increase 4 to 16 times more depending on what crops are being growned.
darthvader5300 2 months ago
a true free market is true cooperation... not a true communist government.
however we live in a keynesian corporatist world with groupthink and no idea of closed loop models because infinite credit has shifted markets away from cost efficiency which would have helped bring back localism and sustainability...
so dont blame capitalism... blame socialism inherent in the debt creation printed by the federal reserve banking system.
sustainable2012 2 months ago
Cuba is a ecological place.. they have not been industrialized and have a real chance at efficient microsystems... the problem is cubans have less private property rights and that means no constitution
sustainable2012 3 months ago
@sustainable2012 cuba is paradise, just ask any young Australian socialist, who has never been to cuba.They seem to worship emperor castro
666plb 2 months ago
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I dont understand why people would worship socialism... my friends aunt is in cuba now, she has the military show up with weapons to count her pigs.. if the quota is over they take the pigs.
the govt there will not let you start a permaculture or design science based on any self sufficient economic practice so why do Americans and Australians in more libertarian societies seem to believe Cuba is better? I can start aquaponics on my property in Florida and produce as much as I can.
sustainable2012 2 months ago
@sustainable2012 cruising along the Brisbane , Gold Coast freeway, i saw the funniest thing i have seen in ages, a really expensive looking car with a che guevara sticker on rear window. There are a lot of university students in Aust who are brain washed by the green left weekly, or the socialist alliance bullshit. I am sure there are a lot of cubans who would be happy to trade places with the ugrateful australian che t shirt clique.
666plb 2 months ago
low instances of both diabetes and heart disease. this is due to the correlation between diet and health - see 'forks over knifes' and/or the book the china study. thanks for the upload! :)
jammatoonarmy 3 months ago
6:37 ....Cuba has a Greater Sense of Community???!!!!.....LMAO....pleaaaaase...
dmasiado 4 months ago
i am extremely worried about politicians leading our country... they are trying to let us keep up our hoggish way of life, and that is not good. speaking of living locally... i think that the suburbs can actually prosper if you make your own organic gardens, share and trade with other people, and turn to solar, wind and geothermal. the suburbs also allow for a more social way of life. i don't understand where this "end of suburbia" crap is coming from, but it is BS. suburban permaculture FTW! :)
Engleflix 6 months ago 2
Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us today. Sadly, they even pollute important topics such as Peak Oil, with useless radical propaganda. Cuba gets its oil from Venezuela, the deal in slavery (doctors), UNREAL
USAHavana 6 months ago
"The Power of PROPAGANDA: They exported 120,000 to Miami whom send a fortune to family . They have a new currency in which they sell young girls to fat tourists who cannot get laid in their own country. There is oil for tourist buses, food for hotels and there is plenty of food for the army elite who run the prostitution tourist trade. The only "community" is that which spies on its citizens and feeds urban garden nonsense to eager little minds with no grasp on REALITY. I weep for humanity!
USAHavana 7 months ago
@USAHavana OH man, i would hate to be a tourist in Cuba.
neptronix 7 months ago
@USAHavana - please, spare us the lies that the bad aspects of Cuba's govt are somehow any worse than the bad aspects of any other govts.
Why are you even trying to paint 'the west' as some paved-with-gold land of opportunity? It is nothing of the type. I live in it and it's impossible to afford anywhere to live that is near to being decent, there's not even allotments available. The west has lost the plot in most cases and capitalism has always been wrong.
MannySteinerBIeeky 7 months ago
@USAHavana - look, in the west all you get is access to good that are cheap - because of false economies that exploit other poorer humans and nature. You get cheap AV goods that allow you to pass the time that you should be spending on doing proper healthy worthwhile permaculturey etc activities towards making society self-sufficient and free.
MannySteinerBIeeky 7 months ago
@USAHavana - listen this is Scotland for you, Inverclyde Council - they pay people public money, in one of the poorest areas in the UK, to rip out blackberry bushes from a supposed 'enterprise zone' that is meant to be about improving work access for residents. Meanwhile down the road at Tesco they sell blackberries for £1.50 for about 10 berries at the most.
So I say to them - why don't you just leave the bushes in & sell the fruits? - It's because the Council decided to rip them all out.
MannySteinerBIeeky 7 months ago
@MannySteinerBIeeky How amazingly sophomoric when people trivialize and pollute an important topic like peak oil with Cuban communist party propaganda. "Blackberries'? Really? In Cuba you get 30 years for "counter revolutionary thinking", if you dare complain, they RIP YOUR HEART OUT, much less your"blackberry plant". Good grief..they shoot 60's "hippies" and place the rest in UMAP concentration camps. Look it up. What a disservice to such an important topic.
USAHavana 7 months ago
@USAHavana - you're talking total fucking shite, so just shut the fuck up you evil neocon-payroll bitch.
Scum like you are paid by fucking republicans etc to talk shit about any commie anything, when your masters are way worse than any commies ever were, even the gulags under stalin.
Fucking bush-govt tool type. Fat ungrateful bitch just fuck off to Miami then see how much the yanks want you really when you aren't just spraying propaganda lies for them.
MannySteinerBIeeky 7 months ago
@MannySteinerBIeeky Your gratuitous verbal abuse and insult is evidence that you suffer from AMERICAMANIA. A common Scottish mental illness based on ur feelings of powerlessness, inferiority and inadequacy. The fear of humiliation, ridicule and uselessness is so common in the UK, that it borders on pathological cliche. You cunts are pathologically obsessed with Bush and the USA, if Bush provokes so much fear in you, seek psychiatric help. Run along now! LMAO!
USAHavana 7 months ago
@USAHavana - you and Bush are the same evil disease, the fake-nazi skull&bones that are traitors against the real SS, plus you're capitalist nature-rapist child-molester-cult scum.
Kill yourself lowlife evil scum. Your kind are the fake-aryan-master race that has destroyed Earth so much moreso since you put your Israel zionism on the map in 1945 - the total opposite of the nazis you hide behind in tha insidious occult way, cause they value the natural environment. Kill yourself scum.
MannySteinerBIeeky 7 months ago
@ManicStinkyBIeaky Oh my.."babylon blasphemer?" you compress the most words into the smallest idea of any cretan I know. If you were twice as smart, you'd still be stupid. You never open your mouth without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge. "child-molester cult"? You posess all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire... In short, you bore me. I look forward to reading your obituary with great eagerness. May Mohamed fuck your eager ASS (arse) in hell. LMAO!
USAHavana 6 months ago
@USAHavana - look scum, you Frequency-Controllers days are literally fucking numbered. You know who I am so you match that to what your spying paedo-cult knows I've been making public about you.
The only future for humans - real humans like Che that child-molesters like you despise because they highlight exactly why your kind are so worthless and evil and undeserving of fuck-all from this or any other planet - is to be 100% sustainable and holistic. You have no chance, kill yourself scum.
MannySteinerBIeeky 6 months ago
@MannySteinerBIeeky Sheer insanity dominated by relatively stable, often paranoid, delusions, usually accompanied by hallucinations, particularly of the anal variety, and perceptual ignorance is a tempting explanation for the persistent willingness of useless idiots like u who attack the foundations of their own freedom lauding the forces that would destroy them. Totalitarian societies are masters of disinformation, propaganda, and outright lies, 4u the bigger the penis up ur ass the better.
USAHavana 6 months ago
@USAHavana - scum, you're the one blowing uncle sam's horn here because your lame fucking capitalist scumfuck culture can't even come up with the easy solutions like putting permaculture in all urban areas, which Cuba bothered to do a lot towards. Your mentality (who are all fag scum and obsessed with anus abusing) see others success and you are so jealous, instead of being normal and doing the same correct thing. Kill yourself useless-eater.
MannySteinerBIeeky 6 months ago
@USAHavana - your fat bullying usual method of trying to takeover good ideas without having to admit you never thought of them first (& then what your kind tend to do is change the definition of what that idea really means, and flood your considerable media outlets with the new liar version that strips all goodness from it), won't work when it comes to things like permaculture etc, because the truth is as old as there's been people of any kind anywhere, not something you can copyright.
MannySteinerBIeeky 6 months ago
Try listening to FREE CUBANS, Cuba has DONE NADA , ZERO, they tax relatives ad infinitum and pocket the cash. Its a Russian Model, ala RUSSIAN MAFIA! Please grow a brain, discuss New Urbanism, end suburban sprawl, LIKE WE ARE DOING IN MIAMI. Spare me the kuddos on mass murderers "going green" . Good grief, you are turning an important topic into a massive joke, CDR';s a rapid response brigades, the INFORM ON DISSIDENTS, MY GOD the are STASI trained. Grow up. In Cuba, EVERYONE WANT TO LEAVE!
USAHavana 8 months ago in playlist Filme für die Erde: Energy and Peak Oil
@USAHavana, this conversation was centered around the film "The Power of Community: How Cuba survived Peak Oil." It doesn't get into politics, economic models, dictatorships, etc. at all. It is about the work of urban permaculturists who jump-started urban agriculture when the oil dried up. Food survival, that's all.
peakmoment 7 months ago 4
@peakmoment I suppose we can praise Nazi Germany's green fuels, hyper-inflation survival and the ever so efficient VW bug! Since you don't get into 'politics' then your moral compass allows praise for the SS and their good work securing farmland, ya think? PLEASE! SPARE ME! Cuba HAS DONE NOTHING but slave their doctors to Venez in exchange for oil they sell on the global market. Even Kunstler scoffs at Cuba as any sort of model. Cuban food survival comes from the US, not urban gardens!
USAHavana 7 months ago
I truly want to prepare for peak oil and inform my listeners. Yet THIS UTTER IDIOTIC NONSENSE ABOUT CUBA AS A MODEL JUST DESTROYS ANY CREDIBILITY. Cuba has "survived" because Cubans in the USA send BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN REMITANCES. Please cut the crap ans stay on topic. PRAY YOU ARE NOT FORCED TO LIVE IN A 53 YEAR DICTATORSHIP/MONARCHY LIKE CUBA. HOW can anyone take peak oil seriously, when this ideological sophomoric dogma is pushed? The Cuban government? Are you MAD? Please stick to MARXISM.
USAHavana 8 months ago in playlist Filme für die Erde: Energy and Peak Oil
YOU FORGOT TO MENTION that Cubans have ZERO internet freedom, and ZERO freedom of speech.....Sierra Cuban.........
sierracuban 9 months ago
@sierracuban, that's not what this program is about. It was about a film about how Cuba responded when Russia no longer was shipping oil to them. Mostly the film is about food - urban permaculture. It didn't touch the politics.
peakmoment 9 months ago
@peakmoment OF COURSE IT IS POLITICAL...........EVERYTHING is political......Had Cuba still been a FREE nation, this would NOT have happened to her........YOU DID NOT see Cuba when it was an economic paradise, I DID.......CUBA WAS ECONOMICALLY AT THE TOP OF THE AMERICAS........IT HAD A HUGE MIDDLE CLASS........OUR PESO IN 1952 WAS WORTH MORE THAN THE DOLLAR......
And now you TRY to dictate to me what this video is about ????? IT IS ABOUT PROPAGANDA CRAP....
JUST LIKE PEANUT CARTER....
sierracuban 9 months ago
@sierracuban Yes, but you are the only country in the world to have survived peak oil. North Korea failed when they had their chance.....
dustmonk74 7 months ago in playlist Filme für die Erde: Energy and Peak Oil
@sierracuban What a pity!
karlokater 2 weeks ago in playlist Filme für die Erde: Energy and Peak Oil
The Final Act of Oil Energy should be to STRIP THE EARTH OF ALL THE PAVEMENT WRONGLY PLACED FOR ROADS THAT WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE ! Yes? or No?
OceanJeff37 1 year ago
good video
if you want to know the true scale of this crisis see this
youtube.com/watch?v=ZEYUxOGPm-0
vengance89 1 year ago
Wow, this is an example of a good interview. Not too much of those whiney voices, no fake condescending compliments. Though I for one don't feel edison's lightbulb should go obsolete just yet.
jaymorpheus1 1 year ago
Preparing for Peak Oil is actually enjoyable once you accept that it has to happen at some point.... I'm 4 years into a 10 year plan to prepare...
MrEnergyCzar 1 year ago 68
15:33 Is exactly the reason WHY the average American is hated throughout the world right there!
ednuttah 1 year ago
This is one country, a small one, if this crisis happend to the rest of the world? CAN EVERYONE NOW SEE how serious peak oil is?!!!!!
ednuttah 1 year ago
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HERES A SOLUTION FOR THE OIL DISASTER
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sevenstringsamurai 1 year ago
Something like 70% of grain grown in the USA goes to feed herbivores - which shouldn't eat grain. If we switch to a perennial prairie polyculture to feed our herbivores, we could take all that land out of annual production in less than 2 years. This would remove the machines from the land which perform those tasks, hence cutting our oil/gas usage by a huge percentage.
Look into Joel Salatin's ideas about pasturing poultry, cattle and other animals.
permalove1 1 year ago
@permalove1, great! Watching the film "King Corn", we learned how the US subsidy for corn has led to feeding cattle that excess corn, while they're grass eaters. Joel Salatin is fabulous. We videotaped five Joel Salatin presentations in one day - you can get it on peakmoment-dot-tv.
peakmoment 1 year ago
@peakmoment food inc was better than king corn
ChiLLaXN1337 8 months ago
at 18:30 "How do we make changing our way of living, appealing" We can't. You learn to feed yourself and your neighbours or you die. Do not underestimate how abolute this change we be for us.
abdool1972 1 year ago
"biofuel" - very poor land utilization.
walter0bz 1 year ago
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"biofuel - very poor land utilization." then use the waste material from growing food crops. Or animal waste. Or choose land that isn't good enough for food crops.
ImMichaelTaylor 1 year ago
what about population growth? that is the root of the problem?
themountainviewguy 1 year ago 2
And the two million prisoners of war held hostage in US prisons are the real experts on life in the USA because THEY have real experience.
duck24x 1 year ago
Only subhuman shitheads believe in religion. What a colossal, unnecessary waste of human energy. Christians & muslims: if you love wasting time & energy (other people's time & energy, unfortunately) so much, go find your own planet to live on for a month & destroy. Leave planet earth to vegans and those of us who sacrifice and self conserve.
duck24x 1 year ago
Selfish little babies who refuse to change their lifestyles - such as giving up eating meat in order to reduce the torture & needless breeding of animals for food - need to be forced by law & gunpoint to be castrated.
duck24x 1 year ago
@duck24x "need to be forced by law & gunpoint to be castrated." Seems like that has already happened to you.
zaphr89 11 months ago
@qarohc I see none of you so-called "brave anti-communists" says a word against North Korea or China. That's because China and NK could kick your ass. I vote (in the USA) Communist and Socialist when I can. Even *I* support blowing up China & NK, because they support enslaving their people for the sake of big business: Wal-Mart - the opposite of socialism.
If you love living on $1/day working 20 hours/day, go move to rightwing ultra-nationalist China & NK.
duck24x 1 year ago
Great video! No propaganda here at all. I am sure all the anti-environmentalists and anti-solar anti-wind-power pro-oil nuts would prefer to live in a rightwing dictatorship like United Arab Emirates where they chop off your head for not wearing a stupid piece of cloth or for being an atheist. Go move to UAE, all you Bush-Reagan-loving pussies.
duck24x 1 year ago
You idiots are talking about how bad cuba is when it's america's own fucking fault. We placed trade embargo's on Cuba because they were socialist, because they wanted public resources vs private. At the same time we were trading with china and numerous other communist countries. Cubs is an island so it was brutally hard to them to survive without good trade. Stupid fucking americans.
ogwazzo 1 year ago 3
Good job on the video
paulsviplist 1 year ago
So you have a "gusano" busily monopolizing the comments....just like he or his
parents did to the people of Cuba. Viva Cuba! and K.M.A. "quaroc".
chuckroast00 1 year ago
The lesson learned is that cuba was able to do it because they didn't have to step down as much as the people in complex societies i.e. the U.S....they were bred, taught, reinforced and fed consumption from birth either....
MrEnergyCzar 1 year ago
I can't help laugh seeing these people talk about how great Cuba is. Why don't they go live there? yes as Americans we consume way too much but going back and trying to live like our great grandparents is not the answer.
AEKARA27 1 year ago 2
@AEKARA27 The film we're discussing ("The Power of Community: How Cuba Survived Peak Oil") primarily looks at the Cuban response during the "special Period" when Soviet oil stopped coming: -- how urban permaculturists helped jumpstart food production in urban areas as quickly as possible. And also how free healthcare was provided at neighborhood levels (something the U.S. has yet to do), shared transportation -- how they responded.
peakmoment 1 year ago
@peakmoment are you from the communist party?
I am cuban, we had to cultivate as a desperate measure because of the USA embarq so we don't dye of hunger. how can you come here to Cuba in your tourist car look at us and them come back to USA talking so much garbage and saying that you use us as an inspiration... What a sick brain you have?
TheBluetata 1 year ago
@TheBluetata, I'm neither a communist nor did I go to Cuba? I hosted this program with a woman who was part of a film team that documented mostly the work of urban permaculturists who helped people grow food after the Soviet oil stopped coming. Cuba did a lot better than North Korea in the same condition. I'm not sure how well America would do if the oil just stopped being imported. Would we see a lot of deaths, like N. Korea, or could we adapt, like Cuba?
peakmoment 1 year ago
So the secret to surviving peak oil is to destroy your country and to allow a dictator to control every facet of your life?
Please move to Cuba, and give away your dollars and live like the citizens of Cuba. It will take no more than a week for you to realize that Cuba is a hell hole. No food, no liberty and the threat of your neighbors turning you in for saying the wrong thing about the government.
Why dont you come up with a real solution instead of spewing this dictatorship propaganda?
qarohc 1 year ago
@qarohc, the video and this conversation aren't about the politics in Cuba, nor the living conditions. As I've written before, "The Power of Community: How Cuba Survived Peak Oil" is primarily about the work of urban permaculturists to jump-start local food production when the industrial food system broke down after Russian oil stopped and people were starving.
peakmoment 1 year ago 5
People where starving before the "Russian oil stopped" the situation just became worse and your willingness to ignore the politics and the living conditions are dishonest.
Ill put it in another way that may be easier to understand, would you claim that Haiti can teach us how to consume less oil in the United States? No, because it is a ridiculous comparison.
The reason Cuba has home made food and consumes little oil is because of the "politics" and the living conditions.
qarohc 1 year ago
@qarohc You are right,it's better to go someplace where they have oil,call them terrorist,kill them all ,and thake their oil,and call it a democracy.If you don't like the solution,don't do it,but stop with your arrogant ideology,where only West have all the answers.You are the one that created this mess,and stop with you hypocritical stories of "freedom and democracy".
saki01248 1 year ago
What does that have to do with anything i said?
- im a Cuban born refuge from the glorious Castro utopia, so your idiotic ranting against the west was premature. I dont give a shit about your political ideology, much less your childish name calling.
If you want to talk about the problem of oil thats one thing but using Cuba as a model is mind boggling and disrespectful to the victims of that regime.
qarohc 1 year ago
@qarohc It have with everything that you said,you immediately dismissed potential solution,just coz it's done by the Cubans.And what model do you propose,the one that West got,why don't you start counting victims that Western oil model did to Africa,Latin America and Asia,and compere them with Cuba.If you want to talk about your idiotic ranting against Cuba,this is not the place to do."Find solution,but not the one that Cuban use",that is "brilliant thinking.
saki01248 1 year ago
solution- reduce your country to a starving barely surviving mass unless you are part of the government.
The saddest thing about people like you is that most of you have a good heart at first and want to help others. The most dangerous thing is that you are used by sadistic manipulative people in order to build up dictatorships. That then use you to intimidate, kill,and pacify your fellow "comrades".
btw- i live in a free country so dont tell me what i can say and where
qarohc 1 year ago
@saki01248 qarohc is subhuman brainless shit, thinking that only Castro and only Cuba have been cruel dictatorships and tha only HIS hardships count. At least Castro has done far more good than bad, redistributing wealth from the non-productive lazy rich to the hardworking poor. He should try living in the hellhole of Peru, where American freedom-fighting hero Lori Berenson was held hostage for 20 years in a shithole prison.
duck24x 1 year ago
I don't think Cuba is a very good model. Cuba imports over 80% of its food. It wasn't always that way...
DukeAlba 1 year ago
Open your mind... forget your anti Castro politics. The film portrays Cuba after the collapse of the Soviet Union in the early nineties NOT Cuba from 1959 to 1991.
rpr1020 1 year ago
rpr1020, thats specifically the Cuba I am referring to. Life in Cuba has gotten much worse since 1991. Cuba currently imports over 80% of its food. Look it up on Google, you'll see it mentioned in CNN, Havana Journal and even Wikipedia.
A large percentage of it comes from the US. Since 2000, the embargo does not include food or medicine, as long as its paid in cash. The US is Cuba's 5th largest trading partner. I'm not being closed minded, I'm telling you the truth.
DukeAlba 1 year ago
Are you also one of those who are calling for 90% of the human population to be euthanized?
weslingm 1 year ago
Horrors, no! However, if we humans (like any animal population) exceed the carrying capacity of our landbase, our numbers will drop. Beyond capacity = less food = fewer humans fed = lower population.
The question will be whether we find a humane way to reduce our numbers or let nature do the culling. There are plenty of inhumane ways for humans to reduce the populations, and we see it happening worldwide.
peakmoment 1 year ago
@peakmoment
Yes indeed, it is safe to say that at least in the last 100 years, the human population grew from 1 billion to 7 billion inhabitants.
Just like the peak oil, the peak of population will fall as well. Much because there isn't gonna be enough land for everyone to plant crops, there will not be frankein fertilizers, because they use oil components, and if oil becomes expensive, so will the fertilizers, and also, because people disconnected themselves from the land.
RicardoDNPereira 1 year ago
@weslingm euthanized? I'm very sure he is not advocating euthanasia. He is just witnessing euthanasia... Well I would put it euthanasia, but if you take a look at the grown of the population in the last 100 years, with the advent of oil, it's a pretty scary growth. Bigger than mount everest!!! (to be ironic)
So, people don't actually have to call for euthanasia, nature itself, and laws of thermal and dynamic energy already founded the laws. Now the thing is survive or perish...
RicardoDNPereira 1 year ago
@weslingm The problem is that those who call for 90% euthanization rate are such a small minority. We need to be a majority & powerful political force.
And, no - not euthanization. Simply killed. 90% of people, in USA, China, Iran - deserve to be tortured & killed for their endless support of Demopubs & Republicrats in the USA and rightwing theocratic dictatorships in Iran & Poland (they actually arrest people over trivial "blasphemy" charges against catholic bullshit)
duck24x 1 year ago
The US government looks green to extort more money from the oil cartells. It is a con game that plays both sides. The greener the US government looks and acts the more money the oil companies pay to pass legislation.
weslingm 1 year ago
I think peak oil is what the oil cartells want you to think. True or not they can raise prices.
weslingm 1 year ago
Take a look at the work of retired oil geologist Colin Campbell: there are physical limits to this non-renewable resource, and we seem to be approaching the limits. Not that we will run out of oil, but that it will cease to be cost-effective. It'll take more energy to get a barrel than we get back. Then the game is over, cartels and governments regardless.
peakmoment 1 year ago
@weslingm
well, knowing that the peak oil has been predicted from more than half a decade, and the peak oil already turned in the 70's. But I don't think they really want to raise prices like that, otherwise, when people don't have money to use oil to sustain their way of life, a similar scenario like greece can happen all over the globe. Why do you think the state police is for. State police is usually used in fascist regimes, and is a fascist derivative...
RicardoDNPereira 1 year ago
I hope people take this with a grain of salt. How can someone who has been to Cuba for 10 days call herself an expert. People are starving in Cuba and have to hunt for food in the garage. The Government of Cuba would love for all to see Cuba in this glorious light but its not the reality. People are starving and suffering we need to help them. This is coming from someone who lived in Cuba for 24 years. The real expert.
smagestro 1 year ago
The film "The Power of Community" doesn't claim that all of Cuba's food security problems were solved. Simply that when the oil ended, there were permaculturists who'd been marginalized, and they had methods for quickly growing food in cities and elsewhere. Reduced the starvation levels quickly.
peakmoment 1 year ago
@peakmoment
Another Film I would like to suggest, and this guy talks in a more general way, is called "Collapse". From late 2009. Very recent.
Also I would advise you to subscribe to the blog of michael rupert. the interviewed.
RicardoDNPereira 1 year ago
According to new Cassini data, Saturns largest moon, Titan, has "hundreds" times more liquid hydrocarbons than all the liquid fossil fuel deposits on Earth.
weslingm 2 years ago
What counts is: how much energy would it take us to get it, and how much would we get back for our investment? If it takes 2 barrels of oil to get back 1.5 barrels worth of equivalent energy, it's a net loss not worth doing.
peakmoment 1 year ago
Peakmoment--This is truth:The US government has suppressed non-poluting energy since the 1890's. The US government is suppressing that technology today. They call it disruptive technology. Research that and teach others.
weslingm 1 year ago
where can I see the the movie "The Power of Community"?
gnowgi 2 years ago
You can purchase the DVD at PeakMoment (dot) tv website. Sometimes people have public showings in their community -- often sponsored by a peak oil awareness or transition kind of group. HopeDance Films might have a rentable copy hopedance (dot) org. It's really inspiring.
peakmoment 2 years ago
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..theres no such thing as " Peak oil " the so-called experts are regularly wrong [ the world was due to run out in 1990 hahahaha ] besides soon cars will not use much oil. biofuels make up a tiny fraction of food production tho there is a local effect. Capitalism means only a quarter of the world is poor as opposed to %99 poverty.
BTsmoke 2 years ago
what part of "peak oil" doesn't exist?
prophetwindex 2 years ago
Megan is so pretty :)
stonem001 2 years ago 12
All the dum-dums are too arrogant to admit that Cuba did it right by moving over to urban market gardens. They think they are above re-greening the cities, cause 'monkeys' don't like being reminded they are still just naked apes - they try to distance themselves from nature....it's very sad.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago 24
I just hope we manage to develop solar energy before all the oil is over. Otherwise it wouldn't be any funny.
cippergut 2 years ago
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boring, no one cares about peak oil.
DK971 2 years ago
really ? even if u dont have oil?
Cran1988 2 years ago
we all have to in some decades...
cippergut 2 years ago
I LOVE this WOMAN!!!
88simran 2 years ago 3
Its criminal to use the food supply to produce food. Anyone who thinks that will work is a nutcase.
controlpopulation 2 years ago 2
What do you mean "it's criminal to use the food supply to produce food"? Don't farmers use potatoes, other plant stock and seeds to produce food?
peakmoment 2 years ago
Sorry peakmoment, I had a brain lapse as I was typing. Its criminal to use food to produce fuel for cars. Thanks for correcting my mishap.
controlpopulation 2 years ago
Criminal to use food to produce fuel -- agree. I'm okay with farmers using some biomass to create fuel for their farm equipment (although preferred to use waste materials). Even better, make biogas from animal manure like the farmers in India do.
Unfortunately, our capitalist system is biased towards the wealthy. We are already using corn (food) for fuel in the U.S. while others starve.
peakmoment 2 years ago
Just think of this though: in 1917, 25% of US agricultural production was used to feed productive farm animals (draught horses and the like). with the use of petroleum that 25% is now used to produce food for human consumption
40126876 2 years ago
They could be producing alcohol fuel from crop leftovers...as any moonshine-maker could also tell you.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
Its impossible to reduce consumption unless you reduce population first. We must enact birth restrictions world wide so our population can begin to fall naturally.
It doesn't matter how much we cut back on consuming, population growth negates any gains. We must lower population because peak oil, food, energy is upon us and it was reached years ago.
controlpopulation 2 years ago
Try saving life, and stop banging on about the envorinment. PLEASE!! Talk to me
EcoChav 2 years ago
The environment -- the services provided for free like air, water, soil, pollination, transforming organic waste -- ARE the entire basis for all life. That's primary.
Human life and activities are secondary. Destroy earth (as industrial society is doing), and there are no humans and nobody else.
peakmoment 2 years ago
If Israel bombs Iran, odds are good there will be rioting in the U.S. within 30 days, due to the rise in oil prices.
Cuba has already "been there, done that". Many Cuban cities get 50% to 80% of their food from growers IN THOSE CITIES, and the nutrition quality of that food equals or exceeds the best American organic produce.
Once Israel goes after Iran, everything in the U.S. changes BIG TIME.
market1007 2 years ago
thats cool, right? so you guy going to help me stops people fucking up the world and the Ecoszfear?
EcoChav 2 years ago
Today Cubans are poorer than in 1955.
daltonagre 2 years ago
Cuba Libre!!!! Free Cuba!!!!abajo fidel!!!abajo con el communismo!!!abajo con el socialismo!!!!!! Que Viva Miami!!!!! Que Viva USA!!!! Que Viva EE.UU.!!!!!!!
depotdollars 2 years ago
Solar, wind, geothermal, tidal energy, advanced batteries,solar thermal many many solutions all work well varied on the conditions. also the one major thing that would over rule all of the alternatives is optimising what we have already using advanced L.E.D's to light streets at night is 1/10th compared to today's standard
buda3d2007 2 years ago
Buda, this is a classic green tech response. Maybe get to know David Holmgren and Bill Mollison, and embrace a little permaculture? Everyone, and I mean everyone, has ideas about how we can live more efficiently. And you're right, LEDs are very efficient compared to incandescents.
But when you consider that street lights interupt human biorhythms, causing problems ranging from breast cancer to autism, the permaculture question, "Do we really need to do this at all?" really comes to bear...
trippticket 2 years ago
People, we don't need to do EVERYTHING the Cubans did. We need to learn, not repeat! So, I'll put in my order for a better world.
I'll have an order of Cuban Permaculture, some Vietnamese bicycles, French Nuclear technology and some Canadian style Healthcare (beats the US stuff I DON'T HAVE). Oh, and I'd like to skip the Castro, U.S. Neocons and keep the English. Oh, and I'll have an extra order of condoms for a steady state population too. Not to go, I'll have it here.
ectopet 2 years ago 3
Fabulous response!
peakmoment 2 years ago
Very good response from cubano1979. These two women don't know a bit what they are talking about. Cuba as a model for the US? I invite them two to live in Cuba, not as an american, but as any ordinary cuban would. They would come back in a week....!
ulisesarcia 2 years ago
I do not think they are encouraging anyone to live there, they are aware of how tough it is. They are just discussing a community response to an artificial peak oil crisis. I do take my hat off for the Cubans who did a very good job, especially with the permaculture, Nowadays 85% of their agriculture is organic, that is remarkable
dayansg 2 years ago
No to carbon tax
No to human population control because in practice it is murder
No to Obama
Yes to permaculture
HeweHaarlemmer 2 years ago
your a fucking idiot "murder" ,thats what you call population control, SO FUCKING STUPID, maybe someone shouldve aborted your dumbass
hellsspike 2 years ago
If you support abortion rights you supported killing over 50 million defenseless children in the womb. NAZI's were evolutionists and also supported abortion. Do you believe in evolution? Wake up sheep!
weslingm 1 year ago
When the children are in the womb they are not fully alive yet. They have no emotions or feelings. Can you remember being in your mothers womb and hoping she wouldn't abort you - no. You are the sheep, abortion is good. It's not the same as murdering a baby or a child, they are just a seed. Without abortion, thre are more people in the world, consuming more finite recources, and contributing to sucking the planet dry. Don't compare us to nazis just because we don't want overpopulation. Jerk.
Gaznugget 1 year ago
"abortion is good"
I hope this was just a poorly worded expression.
Killing a fetus can not be compared to killing a fully formed human being, that is clear.
But you are still doing a morally objectionable thing in killing a fetus unless you have a good reason for it and it it the decision of the woman that has the fetus in her womb that decides what is the justification for it.
Your claim that abortion is good is callous amoral and alienates people on your side of this argument.
qarohc 1 year ago
In my opinion, if a woman does not want a baby, there are a few ways this can go. The best way is where the woman uses precautions to ensure it does not happen. If she doesn't do this (silly careless woman), and get's an unwanted pregnancy, all is not lost, she can just remove the SEED from her(aka abortion IS good). There is nothing wrong with this, there is no little person inside you begging not to be aborted, they do not actually exist yet with feelings and emotions. Abortion isn't murder.
Gaznugget 1 year ago
There are a lot of miserable people in this world that are seriously depressed, and have no where to turn. They don't want to die, they just wish they weren't born. There are people who are extremely selfish, because they can't afford to feed themselves yet still choose to have a baby and then that baby's life is made miserable. A lot of depressed people out there are probably sad that they weren't aborted. Without abortion, a lot of useless consuming parasites of the planet will be born.
Gaznugget 1 year ago
There is no variety.. have you seen a supermarket where Cubans shop? Come on.. they have rocks in their black beans no exaggeration
NEWYORKLIBRE 2 years ago
If disaster doesn't strike and starve us all to death..... if we DO learn to grow food better and survive..... if we get past peak oil in flying colors...... we will continue to overpopulate and the earth will become a momocrop of humans along with all their plantations.... then eventualy something will fail, and all starve to death anyway. We need to reduce our numbers
davfritz 2 years ago
lol.... a typo- monocrop
davfritz 2 years ago
Right on. Its amazing how the core of most arguments are ignored. We don't consume too much.... we expect too many people to be able to consume so much. The average joe knows nothing about numbers, scale energy and population.
CmdrTobs 2 years ago
Im going to get flamed here, but I DO CARE. Its very irritating to hear so many words come from a persons mouth and they never really say anything at all, to help. She says she believes there is a better way, but she does not really say what that is. She says something about grow your own food or something like that, but how will that work for millions of people in New York all stacked on top of each other? They got no dirt. Shes egotistical, self righteous and a hypocrite. Thats my best guess.
YouSpamTard 2 years ago
I'm glad you care. Having talked a lot with Megan, so does she. Last fall we taped a short Peak Moment conversation with her (Shocks, Shortages & Scenarios - Planning for a Post-Oil Future), she talked about working in her community to help people learn to cope with emergencies like power outages. The film we talked about, The Power of Community, shows how Cuba (including urban areas) did a lot of urban gardens and more.
peakmoment 2 years ago
Thanks peakmoment. :) I have spent a few hours today listening to this video, basically just coming to terms with what I have known to be a matter of truth since I was a small child. Ironically, what I understand is a good thing in spite of the apparent birth pains we will have to go throufh. Scary as all get out, but good as well. We need it, all of us. Time to set fear aside and embrace all that is good. That is my platform from now on. I'll at least try and keep that attitude going if I can.
YouSpamTard 2 years ago
Yes, we're reaching the limits to growth, with our human overpopulation and now declining resources. And our major institutions (govts esp) are in major denial. Very scary. Wise observers say we can no longer mitigate the worst of the problems, only adapt. It's not a matter of if things collapse, but how far. But an attitude of acknowledging the fear, sitting with it, is perhaps the best gift you giver yourself and the world.
peakmoment 2 years ago
Something about Megan she just gets me! I would love to have her real organic in a bush like. There is nothing wrong with nuclear. With zero population growth nuclear can sort us out no end. When peak oil comes we will still use oil for farming. Its just the wasteful personal transport that has to go and air travel.
CmdrTobs 2 years ago
So you like nuclear? Think of this.... suppose the foolishness of humankind leads to it's sudden downfall via ecomomic collapse.... starvation...followed by WW3. Suppose then the self-destruction is 95% total. What then for the surviving 5%? Will they have the means to deal with all the nuclear material left around ? How will the decaying nuclear plants effect the enviroment? What about the maintanance of past waste? Perhaps this will kill the remaining life on earth. A dead plannet?
davfritz 2 years ago
So we should plan around 95% human casualty? How does nuclear waste in one location lead to "a dead planet"?. Why would nuclear waste in one already useless area "effect the environment"? You mention the word "decay" as if to suggest some sort poisons is given off like in biomass decay or river decay. if you understand you would realise that a coal pit or land fill is about 1000 worse than a nuclear waste dump. People are still hanging on to cold-war no 'nuke' sentiment.
CmdrTobs 2 years ago
No Chernobyl is a great reason why nuclear should be treated with care, OK we might have better scientists and work regulations than the U.S.S.R but things like earthquakes and area's with extreme weather conditions to be taken into account, I'm not saying no to nuclear but not as a sole replacement to fossil based energy
buda3d2007 2 years ago
Nobody said Chenrobyl should be ignored or that Nuclear plants are 100% without fault. But its the ONLY (once you run the numbers) energy source that can replace fossil-electric in the near term. Here some food for thought while you are deciding, a coal power station outputs more radioactivity to the environment than a nuclear one. Also it would take every factory in the world that produces solar panels working at maximum capacity for 50 years to make enough panels to replace oil energy alone.
CmdrTobs 2 years ago
I believe its a double edged sword because USA has not a great reserve for Uranium, we don't mind taking your money in Australia for minerals just ask China, money would be going offshore and to dig up ship out and refine is still a huge burden, and money offshore? USA cannot afford to do this anymore
buda3d2007 2 years ago
Well lucky USA is not the only country in the world... I will add money falls out of the equation. Energy is before money, you need energy to move an economy you need energy to spend money. There's no way around this. Not turning too the only real energy alternative on financial grounds is folly. Though your original sentiment I think is a good idea, using nationalist sentiment to stirr up debate and change on issues like peak oil are very good.
CmdrTobs 2 years ago
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@CmdrTobs
Hi. I know you wrote this comment over one year ago but something you said caught my interest. Specifically,
"it would take every factory in the world that produces solar panels working at maximum capacity for 50 years to make enough panels to replace oil energy alone."
Are you perhaps able to provide a reference (or even two) showing the data here?
Many thanks in advance if you are able to help.
Tom.
LoveHeartLogicHead 1 year ago
American Goverment wil never accept Cuban originated model for as long as Cuba label ON IT. USA Goverment members have this deep rejection of backwardness as being cubans. They should more promote as localization than Cuban model at first.
symmetry08 2 years ago
Very cool, however the expect lower standard of life, on the other hand it may be good for people to go out of the current stupidity. But after a generation people will miss cheap energy, because they will forget about the stupidity. May be massive nuclear power station will be required to keep the zoombie sistem going...
ReflexionCiudadana 2 years ago
Well said. I'm glad my family's getting a mental grip on all this while there's still time to make energy descent pleasant, and not quite so eye-popping! I read back over some of the earlier commentary on this video, and it seems that even decades later our personal responses to decreasing energy availablity will rest on our attitudes.
This is a good thing, folks! Embrace it! High energy mass consumption is a sickness, completely outside nature, and has left too many victims...
trippticket 2 years ago
Janaia,
First, I really love what you guys are doing. Not enough of this info out there. But I do want to comment on an observation you make in the interview, that this transisition will be toughest on the poor.
I disagree. I think it's toughest on the highly consumptive, label junkies. Poor people already know how to make sacrifices and be resourceful when need be. I don't worry about the poor in this, and I don't have much sympathy for the unprepared. But I'll help them if I can.
trippticket 2 years ago
Thanks for your support and your comment. I agree with you about the poor knowing how to be resourceful, and that consumers will be hard pressed unless they're prepared both psychologically and physically. My concerns for the poor are with those who don't have family/social networks to draw on, esp. some elderly, handicapped. And urban poor without access to farms. As govt social supports fall away (as they're planning even now), they may be very vulnerable.
peakmoment 2 years ago
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Ms. Quinn is an excellent spokesperson for the Community Solutions. The video (now podcast) "Power of Community: How Cuba surved the peak oil?" is a must see for everyone. Thanks to the Cuban people for being a model of survival and hope!
lowelljd 2 years ago
Ms. Quinn is an excellent spokesperson for the Community Solutions. The video (now podcast) "Power of Community: How Cuba surved the peak oil?" is a must see for everyone. Thanks to the Cuban people for being a model of survival and hope!
lowelljd 2 years ago
YOU AMERICANS HAVE FUCKED UP THE WORLD. If all countries consumed as much as you, the world would not exist by now.
You fuckers messed it up, you work it out!
picapin 3 years ago
Yes, we should be taking the lead in reducing consumption, building efficient technologies. Many hope it can happen under Obama. But with so many deeply entrenched interests, and a worldwide depression that's a symptom of this civilization collapsing, the challenges may be difficult to meet.
peakmoment 3 years ago
Peal Oil in my best guess is real, regardless these ladies could be alot less transparent. These ladies acually WANT peak oil.
EFC100t 3 years ago
I don't want the suffering that peak oil will (and is) causing. But our burning of oil and coal is the major cause of global climate chaos, which is causing and will cause enormous changes in the biosphere. Oil for agriculture is also cause of population expansion, and consumption, causing the destruction of ecosystems. So yes, I guess I could say I want it for the planet's sake, even though I hate to see the suffering.
peakmoment 3 years ago
Since our politicians and institutions are disinclined to enact unpopular policies to reduce energy use, we citizens must do it ourselves, and pressure them to do so. To reduce carbon emissions back to a "safe" level, we must reduce our energy demand 90% within this decade. How? Reduce oil and coal use big time.
We CAN do it, personally and in our communities. Take the lead, Claus, in southern Spain, in creating the transition.
peakmoment 3 years ago
It's not just the politicians we are up against, it's the 99% of the population that are in a coma, obsessed with greed and comfort and/or just full of wind themselves when they talk about the enviroment ie: they may bleat about it, but will not accept the price of reform.
davfritz 2 years ago
cuba did not survive the peak oil trouble. In cuba there were blackout every day. Yo will have 8 hr of power and 8 hrs off. All day long. This was on the capital on the rest of the city they cubans did not have any power if anything 3 to 4 hr of power all day long.
Bosches 3 years ago
But Cubans didn't die off in huge numbers, did they? They found a way through the crisis, and most people survived, even though food and energy supplies were seriously reduced.
peakmoment 3 years ago
If we reduce the use, the OPEC cartel will only reduce the produce.
We should reduce the dependence on oil first for many reasons.
This will produce many more options to poor country's and rich consumers. It will lead us onto the path of sustainability.
Watch "Anne Korin's Oil Solution 1of7"
AndreXtra 3 years ago
WEELLLL what about it!!...
the sky did not fall,.. oil is cheap once again,. The whole thing was B/S and the envious candy reed communist, are silent again, and repairing the innertubes of their bicycles, and train to plant bananas in their gardens. jajaja
centauriblue2 3 years ago
I expect that the Cubans who lived through that "special period" didn't think it was BS. Oil prices may be down, partly because demand is down. But watch supply as well. Global supply is declining 9% per year (Intl Energy Agency report 008), discoveries are declining; the largest wells are all in decline. Prices won't stay down forever, with a supply picture like that.
peakmoment 3 years ago
Especial period = communist dictatorship cause famine.
Oil is not only Mr,dinosaur recycled body, Oil is a natural product of the Earth, accumulated solar energy in all living forms for millions of years, and.. renewable!
It is true that we have to conserve oil,. that's a fact.. but supply is not in immediate danger, and new drilling tech is getting to new and deeper places to billions of Barrels, also some new sources of energy are here and in the horizon,. I think we will be just fine!
centauriblue2 3 years ago
Long time observers of petroleum/oil supplies like Matt Simmons and Robert Hirsch noted just this week that the International Energy Agency's report (Nov 2008) basically says that oil decline is at about 9% a year. The new discoveries are smaller, deplete quicker, harder (more expensive) to get. Demand is increasing faster than supply. Basically, they say, we're in a heap of trouble.
peakmoment 3 years ago
The abusive control culture would rather commit suicide via global thermonuclear war than live like Cuba.
FutureCollapse 3 years ago
In Cuba you have no freedom! The reason there are farms on every plot of land is because people are hungry. The reason they are conserving energy is because the government shuts the electricity is cut off every night. The socialist government is still there! I believe in learning from what they have done due to necessity. Necessity is the mother of invention. I would not celebrate the 45 years that my family has been separated or the tyrannical grip that binds Cuba. We must free Cuba! Cubalibre
IndependantCuban 3 years ago
This video wasn't about Cuba's political system, but how they responded when the oil imports suddenly stopped, as seen in the documentary "The Power of Community: How Cuba Survived Peak Oil." If that happened here in the U.S., would we adapt as quickly as Cuba, or as well?
peakmoment 3 years ago
Hi, you can also add that regardless the tree hurricanes and all the misery in Cuba,. Castro has plenty of oil for his vintage Rusky tanks, a lot of food for his soldiers.
A policeman (enforcer) gets paid in Cuban pesos but.. gets paid more than a doctor,. or a engineer,. or a teacher!,. EVERY POLICEMAN and SECURITY PERSONNEL in Cuba makes more money that a university graduate!!... This is another "thing" that we can all,. learn from Cuba's... PeaK OiL!!
centauriblue2 3 years ago
this is some "deep ecology" stuff.
truthseeker83 3 years ago
This gushing over privations is sickening. You can have your statist utopia, but I am opting out
J0hnGaltJr 3 years ago
I bought a pespi in cuba made in usa...I wonder how the stores have USA product..wake up
eventvisionsinc 3 years ago
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Yea. Cuba's opinion of anything is worthless. IT'S A SHIT HOLE!
STOPGLOBALSTUPIDITY 3 years ago
Why then does it have one of the world's best education and health care system? It might be poor because of the 45 year economic strangulation by the US but it continues to survive, and create a stable economic base and environmental sustainability
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