this man is really boring. He just keeps telling Cenk to read his book, and spewing a bunch of nonsense. No one is saying unions are perfect, but workers must have a way to make sure they are not being abused and have safe work environments and so on and so on. Employees have to have a voice, and if not for unions how can that happen?
This idiot says that it's because of unions that jobs have gone overseas, it's not. It's because of free trade, the removal of tariffs. And I don't think this country would be any better off if those jobs that pay a dollar a day were HERE instead of in China, etc.
No employ wrote the boss a letter and told him he/she wanted to join a union???? Are you kidding me with that??
A working class person without the benefit of a 6 figure lawyer might as well write a letter saying "I quit" for all the good writing the boss asking to let him be in a union is going to do.
I'm white collar myself. And I have in no small part my blue collar UAW member gradfather to thank for that.
David Bego came across as rude, arrogant and overall as a douche. Maybe he should take some manners classes before he goes on radio, tv or the internet again.
Unions for safe jobs are ridiculous. The drive up the prices of products and services and also cause less jobs overall. GM is the worst, assembly line workers don't need 50 dollars an hour and half that when they retire. It just isn't feasible. Let the marketplace take care of its self
It is perfectly legitimate for unions to employ someone representative of their needs and, moreover, someone who can interface - not share - the views or ethics of the business superstructure. Most unions, if we are honest, are only concerned about fair wages and long hours. The people have submitted their time in exchange for money, but representation of workers interests at the board level is vital.
Unions gave us what employee protections we have nowadays...the protections that seem to be fading fast. Have health insurance through work? Minimum wage? Retirement benefits? Due process for dismissal? If you do, thank a union. If you don't...you should form a union. When employers have all the power, we become little more than serfs.
I'm going to be in LA in October, would you to have a massive headache while I ignore national averages and give you my real life experiences from which I've determined that certain people I don't agree with are the Devil?
Cenk did awesome but that guy is like talking to a brick wall I love the ending where he was like do you wanna meet? that almost sounded confrontational. It had the same ring as meet me at the bike rake after school and lets fight, I can see why Cenk was like we'll see. That is what I like about Cenk is he keeps his sense of humour when dealing with nutjobs.
I haven't watched the full video yet just wanna say at 4:03 before i forget i love how when that guy says to cenk have you read my book? cenk laughs and is like No i didn't... I love that he is honest it's like when would he have time to read his book haha
I hate how Cenk makes an assumption about guest before the interview starts and starts off super aggressive with someone he assumes he's going to disagree with. They spent the first part trying to get beyond that. I don't agree with the guy, but he didn't seem like he was opposed to unions for any greedy or malicious reasons. He had some genuine life experiences that shaped his view point. They might not hold up to total numbers around the country but you shouldn't outright dismiss him.
@akfak0retlaw His book is called "Devil at my doorstep". The guy hates unions. He is acting like he is objectionable and doesn't care either way....but he tried to argue that wages have gone up 3-4 times since the 1950's even without unions but the guy forgot to adjust for inflation and if he did, he would see we have flatlined whereas the top 5% have increased wages dramatically.
And I assume Cenk studies up a little on his guests. And life experiences does not matter compared to REAL numbers
@seattle8686 I wasn't saying the guy was right. I'm totally on Cenk side of the argument. I was commenting on Cenk's style of interviewing. He started this interview super combative and dismissive of his guest view points. If you're talking to someone that just spouts talking points and has deceptive motives I can see wanting to do that, but this guy seemed to want to solve the problem and was willing to engage in a constructive dialog.
@akfak0retlaw And I didn't see Cenk being dismissive but if you think that...ok, thats fine.
I think the heart of the argument was Cenk using real world numbers. The guy was NOT willing to debate facts. He was only using his personal stories to say "your facts are wrong". That is illogical.
And the guest was quite condescending. He interrupted Cenk many times and its not his show. Cenk asks the question and he answered. Let Cenk refute your point. BUt he kept going back tp personal anecdotes
@akfak0retlaw And I do think this guy has a motive. I don't think he is genuine AT ALL. The reason why I say that is because he tried to sell his position as "objectionalbe" but his book is called "Devil at my Doorstep" where unions are the "devil".
The guy kept saying that to be on the union board, you shouldn't be an "employee" or something because you are being biased. This is why Cenk laughed and asked how we would get a person who is neither employed or the employer.
Competition OVERSEAS!?!?!? IT'S because of people like you who are against Unions and ship off the jobs overseas to SAVE MONEY by NOT giving it to Unions to do the work HERE... and your point helped your case and didn't support Cenks HOW?
LOLOLOL omg this interview was great. Cenk gives out concrete evidence with numbers and stats, David Bego keeps saying "read my book" "let me give you an example." lolololol debate fail much?
@yogishkamath Of course, this flies in the face of evidence too. We have similar, more often higher, rates of unemployment now than when we did when unions were stronger. I don't think this is entirely due to the fact that Friedman and co. also advocated monetarist policies that are designed to artificially engineer a wider reserve army of labour, giving up stronger Keynesian stimulus measures in the process.
@yohaneuano4 On the second point: there is little documented evidence that it does this either. Regardless, if Friedman opposes this for it's politicking with the economy, would he also advocate greater regulation of big business and shareholders, which can perform an almost infinite number of manouvres to interfere with the "free" market. (Also, a solution to the non-unionized: join one).
@yohaneuano4 Cenk mentions this in the video: the failure since the late 70s of wages to keep up with productivity. How can even libertarians deny that this is unfair? But it is precisely due to the unequal relations of production. The free market leads to slavery: something Nozick did not see as contradictory and was quite happy with btw.
What we have is transient unemployment due to the economic shock that we had a couple of years ago.
In the 30s, there was far more unionization and higher unemployment. That factoid alone doesn't prove that unionization leads to higher unemployment any more than the current high unemployment proves that lack of unions causes high unemployment.
But anyway, the point is that this was the wrong guest to discuss the issue with.
Unions have been corrupt in the past, have gone too far in the past, certain unions HAVE gotten too much for their workers and have forced certain industries to pay their employees more than the labor itself was worth, made it so those wages couldn't be lowered when perhaps they needed to be, etc. It may happen to a small extent in the present.
But that's like saying cars are bad because people crash them. They're responsible for the way we've developed our country. Made life better for all.
Another thing Bego conveniently forgets is that historically, administrations running of the NLRB reflects their perspective and that of their supporters. You would not have heard a peep from this guy during the Bush years.
"Intimidating" someone to be union , to actually have rights on the job, a living wage, a decent pension,and insurance...how terrible, lol. What these hypocritical fools like this guy doesn't understand is that without decent wages and a thriving middle class, YOU HAVE LESS CUSTOMERS. We need the Employee Free Choice Act badly in this country....too bad most Democrats are pussies and won't stand up for it.
unions are both great and bad, great because it keeps fair working standards, bad because you cant sack incompitance when the unions start to abuse their abilities like shit teachers dont get sacked cos the union threatens action.
Some comments on the Beggo moron. As far as his debating and rhetoric skills go, he is below your average bible-humping conservative. For a message to be accepted it must be logical, emotional, and authoritative. Most right wing brain-dead bible humpers are at least emotional when they make up shit or propose specific anecdotes as evidence against facts that they deny (Flat Earth Society anyone?) This dude isn't even emotional. And he has a punchable face.
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I think Bego made an interesting point at the end. Cenk's numbers are probably true but Bego wasn't disputing Cenk's number. Bego was saying that because Becker is in power, he will try to force unionization on businesses and their employees that aren't asking for it. The whole time he was supporting his thesis by saying, "zero employees told me they wanted 2 b unionized but the NLRB (or whoever) still came after my company...unjustifiably." Im not defending either point, just clarifying Bego.
David Bego is a condescending idiot. Jenk CRUSHED him.
By the way, if he left the company in 1980 paying his employees $3.35 /hr (and he isn't precise on when he left so I can only guess), in 2009 money that would be $8.61. Again because he doesn't give precise numbers I'm going to just multiply that by three, so he's now paying his employees $10.05 an hour. While it is a 16% improvement in wages, it's nowhere near 'three times as much'.
Cenk has no idea what the fuck he is talking about - he's just spitting out superficial and factually incorrect talking points. He doesn't realize that his opponent is actually stunned by how stupid he is, and he actually struggles to find some ground to discuss something that Cenk actually understands.
Cenk is also patronizing too boot, making the entire interview almost satirical.
This guy's an idiot. In an age where CEO's are making record salaries and bonuses, he blames wage stagnation on international competition and improper business management?
Here's a novel idea: Why don't you fork over some of those record profits and bonuses to the workers? Oh I'm sorry, they're the only people in the world who deserve a pay raise.
Nominal wages have risen, like this dude says, but real wages (adjusted for inflation) have stagnated.... so wages have stagnated in terms of their purchasing power. Basic stuff here..... so when he says "wages have risen from $3 - 1$2" - it's meaningless
Nominal wages have risen, like this dude says, but real wages (adjusted for inflation) have stagnated.... so wages have stagnated in terms of their purchasing power. Basic stuff here..... so when he says "wages have risen from $3 - 1$2" - it's completely meaningless
Bego should have taken that one point, "This is an issue of forced unionization" and made it. Instead he talked endlessly about his personal experiences. Why? What does it have to do with the point you wish to make.
The point is bogus, btw. What he is trying to say is that employees don't want to be represented, but unions represent them against their will, and then they lose their jobs. It doesn't work like that, but nevertheless he should have MADE THAT FUCKING CASE. Dumb.
@filthyfun Yep, though if he left that company in the '80s it's a 16% wage increase. Though because he isn't very precise that could be because he employs a higher percentage of skilled labour now and thus needs to pay them more. I can only speculate because of how imprecise he was.
@filthyfun I was wondering why Cenk didn't bring that up. I guess he kept getting cut off and didn't get to talk much. He would try but the guy would keep going back to personal stories as if it evidence against the numbers.
If you adjust for inflation, like you said......we have flatlined our middle class Americans salaries while the top 5% have cut into an even bigger piece of the pie.
@filthyfun That's exactly what I was thinking. "Wages HAVE SO gone up! Back in 1972 they were getting paid 3 bucks an hour, and now they're getting 7.50!"
people CAN NOT argue with cenk for the simple fact that he brings the god damned honest truth and these people are so far removed from truth in their own crazy world that they have created. lies are truths to them, they dont just brainwash people they brainwash themselves in the process. my grandma said "stupidity is a virus" and she was more than right. im sick to death of all the ridiculous, idiotic, hatefull, self-serving people that claim they care about everyone else yet obviously dont.
Cenk "I just Wanna Get Clarity on That", Remind you Of anyone?, hmm "IM GONNA REPEAT MYSELF SO I HAVE CLARITY HERE TONIGHT" lol, I wish they had a Button With Phil Davison saying that, would have been hilarious if he used it then.
So he had no employee contact him about joining a union? Really, you don't say? I was pretty sure that employees don't contact employers if they're thinking about joining a union because they know they'll be on the fast track to getting fired. This is pretty common knowledge; I'm surprised he would even say this. This guy obviously exists within a management bubble where even if he's well intention, he doesn't understand his employee's position on the simplest of points of view.
Cenk keeps arguing using facts and figures and david bego keeps speaking from personal experiance and telling nice little stories.
Obvisously Cenks style of arguement is the most logical one.
Anecdotal evidence is irrelevant! Unfortunately for reasonable people there is a lot of evidence to suggest that this narrative style of debate is a lot more appealing to most people because its more accessable.
This is one of the many reasons the right kicks the lefts ass so much in the US.
Anecdotal evidence has merit, but it's supporting evidence, not primary. If you're looking at the big picture, you don't want to use anecdotes, but if you want to see how specific cases are handled, you use that secondary evidence. You start with facts and figures, and then break it down, and combine the two.
But that being said, nothing could be more true that stories entertain more statistics. Look at the success of Sarah Palin. No substance at all, just folksy jibba-jabba.
this just shows that conservatives/republicans dont understand balance at all cenk did a good job trying to get that asshole to shut the fuck up and ha bisky upload
What a ridiculous Answer to wage stagnation, "we can't compete with business over sea's"? Really? We're supposed to have tariffs to augment that, NAFTA lifted most of them.
@Pleblian The protectionist strategy was thrown out by Reagan about five years before the U.S.-Canada Free Trade agreement of 1987. NAFTA was just one more step towards where we are along with Sarbanes-Oxley, which discourages companies from becoming IPOs.
@Pleblian He sided with GATT/WTO and lowered tariffs, which are apart of the protectionist strategy created by Alexander Hamilton.
SOX doesn't not apply to private business, but does nothing help it either. All it does is allows publicly traded companies to hold monopolies easier by making it impossible for smaller private companies from going public. A good example is Twitter and Facebook, both of which would lose 4% of profits right off the bat by becoming an IPO. 500 Character's not enough.
As far as I can recall, management isn't allowed to talk to workers when they are deciding to unionize. The vote is the final vote. I worked at a shop that wanted to unionize and the union didn't get in because the majority didn't want it. So what is this guy talking about?
@TitoIsTheGreatest It's funny and sad at the same time because the guy persists in these delusions for no good reason.
He was very condescending. And now he wants to meet with Cenk so they can go in circles over the same points that this guy has already been proven wrong on? Strange.
yes, he also laughed at the guys book and sometimes laughed fakely at a point the other guy was making, to me it looked more like a guy from fox then TYT, I don't like disrespecting someone and fake stuff.
@colloredbrothers It's true,I wish Cenk would prepared for the interview by reading to the book. However, Bego did nothing more then provide made up facts and numbers based on personal experience. Cenk is right, his evidence is anecdotal that pushes for anti-union reform.
I worked in a "right to work state" and it's a nightmare for non-professional single employ's I couldn't imagine what it's like for a 2 income household with a family.
@colloredbrothers I thought he was quite civil. I would have ripped him a new one for trying to push an anecdote as counter evidence against statistical data, and for not adjusting for inflation.
@eathenicus I am not entirely sure that is bad. I mean I would prefer a socialist president to a coke addled one like our previous. I mean are you seriously saying that Obama/ socialism is worse then the other option that election. A weak, politically controlled, mentally unstable old man, who in death, would have been succeeded by Sara Palin?the most unstable, short sighted, mentally deficient, monetarily motivated politician this generation? I'd rather the evil then the stupid if Obama's evil
@eathenicus no, it wouldn't have. we just would have had a complete welfare state. socialism isn't about setting up programs to give people things, it's about democratic ownership of the means of production.
@eathenicus social security is socialist. So since you hate socialism you would obviously want to get rid of social security and have seniors die in the street.
this man is really boring. He just keeps telling Cenk to read his book, and spewing a bunch of nonsense. No one is saying unions are perfect, but workers must have a way to make sure they are not being abused and have safe work environments and so on and so on. Employees have to have a voice, and if not for unions how can that happen?
justjulie37 1 week ago
Bego is patronizing as hell. It is so annoying.
mojorhythm 9 months ago in playlist _Watch List
what the hell was that? the guy ignored the facts, told a story, and asked cenk on a date? that was WEIRDDDDD, man
forfauxsake 10 months ago
Who in the their right miind would want to give somebody the right to deny somebody else the right to a secret ballot?
jpkm123 11 months ago
This idiot says that it's because of unions that jobs have gone overseas, it's not. It's because of free trade, the removal of tariffs. And I don't think this country would be any better off if those jobs that pay a dollar a day were HERE instead of in China, etc.
avatarmn 11 months ago
Im the KING of anecdotal evidence... mmkay?
BeastAP23 11 months ago
Cenk vs Mr. Mackey????
Unions are bad mmmmm K.
No employ wrote the boss a letter and told him he/she wanted to join a union???? Are you kidding me with that??
A working class person without the benefit of a 6 figure lawyer might as well write a letter saying "I quit" for all the good writing the boss asking to let him be in a union is going to do.
I'm white collar myself. And I have in no small part my blue collar UAW member gradfather to thank for that.
xdassinx 1 year ago
he's evading the truth. wasted ten minutes on personal anecdotes instead of an admission that he's wrong
mangajo 1 year ago
Facts are stubborn things you conservative douche.
Hobbsdude 1 year ago
damn this guys slow and boring
njabulani 1 year ago
David Bego came across as rude, arrogant and overall as a douche. Maybe he should take some manners classes before he goes on radio, tv or the internet again.
uuang 1 year ago 3
Unions for safe jobs are ridiculous. The drive up the prices of products and services and also cause less jobs overall. GM is the worst, assembly line workers don't need 50 dollars an hour and half that when they retire. It just isn't feasible. Let the marketplace take care of its self
aarondavid826 1 year ago
It is perfectly legitimate for unions to employ someone representative of their needs and, moreover, someone who can interface - not share - the views or ethics of the business superstructure. Most unions, if we are honest, are only concerned about fair wages and long hours. The people have submitted their time in exchange for money, but representation of workers interests at the board level is vital.
BeholdZeus 1 year ago 2
the final invitation was the creepiest thing...ever.
curlyfry1106 1 year ago 2
Dear piece of shit: You're a piece of shit. Please stop being a disgusting greedy anti-labor piece of shit. Thank you.
devourerofbabies 1 year ago
real numbers > anecdotes
bighugejake 1 year ago 3
LOL @ the ending
crablord 1 year ago
Drugs are bad, mkay?
JPJPR 1 year ago 6
@JPJPR - That's all I kept thinking the entire time!
canuckphuck123 1 year ago
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@JPJPR - That's all I kept thinking the entire time!
canuckphuck123 1 year ago
m-kay cenk?
Chriseycarlyeah324 1 year ago 4
is it just me or is Cenk interviewing the guidance counselor from Southpark? mmkay.
benjaminpulanco 1 year ago 24
@benjaminpulanco Bah! I was just about to post that same comment! You've ruined me! *bitterly votes up*
BadLuck765 1 year ago
@BadLuck765 Ah dont worry, life has it's ups and downs, here have a thumbs up from me.
coolman9999uk 1 year ago
@benjaminpulanco Yeah, but unfortunately, Mr. Bego isn't even as entertaining as Mr. Mackie.
writersblock26 1 year ago
Unions gave us what employee protections we have nowadays...the protections that seem to be fading fast. Have health insurance through work? Minimum wage? Retirement benefits? Due process for dismissal? If you do, thank a union. If you don't...you should form a union. When employers have all the power, we become little more than serfs.
MarkRosengarten 1 year ago 2
FIRST!!!!!
kinkycommie 1 year ago
I'm going to be in LA in October, would you to have a massive headache while I ignore national averages and give you my real life experiences from which I've determined that certain people I don't agree with are the Devil?
CampHazzard 1 year ago
"im gona be in LA, want to meet?"
cenk "LMAO no thanks."
mostecri 1 year ago
8:48
Cenk: "Here are the cold hard numeric facts."
Bego: "Let me tell you my random personal anecdotal story that is supposed disprove the data."
xxxFaustusxxx 1 year ago 24
this guy is a wacko
hchukuka 1 year ago
KNOW YOUR ROLL AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
bevon17 1 year ago
If unions disappeared tomorrow, this moron would slash his employees wages and benefits to the bone.
The only reason non-union people get benefits, sick pay, vacation etc. is that management is afraid that their employees will form a union.
Blasphemer2 1 year ago 3
According to this guy we should allow the abuse of many so the few companies that treat their employees would not have any pressure.
ILikeTheThingsIDo 1 year ago
Cenk did awesome but that guy is like talking to a brick wall I love the ending where he was like do you wanna meet? that almost sounded confrontational. It had the same ring as meet me at the bike rake after school and lets fight, I can see why Cenk was like we'll see. That is what I like about Cenk is he keeps his sense of humour when dealing with nutjobs.
jesskat 1 year ago 4
I haven't watched the full video yet just wanna say at 4:03 before i forget i love how when that guy says to cenk have you read my book? cenk laughs and is like No i didn't... I love that he is honest it's like when would he have time to read his book haha
jesskat 1 year ago
Anyone who says "okay?" at the end of their speech should never be trusted.
boiiinng 1 year ago
This man is so hard to listen to his voice is so boring.
SomeIrishGuy19 1 year ago
I hate how Cenk makes an assumption about guest before the interview starts and starts off super aggressive with someone he assumes he's going to disagree with. They spent the first part trying to get beyond that. I don't agree with the guy, but he didn't seem like he was opposed to unions for any greedy or malicious reasons. He had some genuine life experiences that shaped his view point. They might not hold up to total numbers around the country but you shouldn't outright dismiss him.
akfak0retlaw 1 year ago
@akfak0retlaw His book is called "Devil at my doorstep". The guy hates unions. He is acting like he is objectionable and doesn't care either way....but he tried to argue that wages have gone up 3-4 times since the 1950's even without unions but the guy forgot to adjust for inflation and if he did, he would see we have flatlined whereas the top 5% have increased wages dramatically.
And I assume Cenk studies up a little on his guests. And life experiences does not matter compared to REAL numbers
seattle8686 1 year ago 2
@seattle8686 I wasn't saying the guy was right. I'm totally on Cenk side of the argument. I was commenting on Cenk's style of interviewing. He started this interview super combative and dismissive of his guest view points. If you're talking to someone that just spouts talking points and has deceptive motives I can see wanting to do that, but this guy seemed to want to solve the problem and was willing to engage in a constructive dialog.
akfak0retlaw 1 year ago
@akfak0retlaw And I didn't see Cenk being dismissive but if you think that...ok, thats fine.
I think the heart of the argument was Cenk using real world numbers. The guy was NOT willing to debate facts. He was only using his personal stories to say "your facts are wrong". That is illogical.
And the guest was quite condescending. He interrupted Cenk many times and its not his show. Cenk asks the question and he answered. Let Cenk refute your point. BUt he kept going back tp personal anecdotes
seattle8686 1 year ago
@akfak0retlaw And I do think this guy has a motive. I don't think he is genuine AT ALL. The reason why I say that is because he tried to sell his position as "objectionalbe" but his book is called "Devil at my Doorstep" where unions are the "devil".
The guy kept saying that to be on the union board, you shouldn't be an "employee" or something because you are being biased. This is why Cenk laughed and asked how we would get a person who is neither employed or the employer.
seattle8686 1 year ago
Competition OVERSEAS!?!?!? IT'S because of people like you who are against Unions and ship off the jobs overseas to SAVE MONEY by NOT giving it to Unions to do the work HERE... and your point helped your case and didn't support Cenks HOW?
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
LOLOLOL omg this interview was great. Cenk gives out concrete evidence with numbers and stats, David Bego keeps saying "read my book" "let me give you an example." lolololol debate fail much?
Roeshamboe05 1 year ago
This guy sounds like he's falling asleep.
coloradojoey 1 year ago
Cenk has chosen the wrong guest to debate this thing with. Ideally, he should
have talked to a conservative economist who worked on the theory.
Milton Friedman showed that the wage premium of the unionized workers comes at the expense of :
a) Fewer jobs
b) Lower wages in non-unionized sectors of the economy than there would otherwise be.
The guest sort of implied that unionization causes job loss, but he doesn't have the theoretical foundation to explain it more clearly.
yogishkamath 1 year ago
@yogishkamath Of course, this flies in the face of evidence too. We have similar, more often higher, rates of unemployment now than when we did when unions were stronger. I don't think this is entirely due to the fact that Friedman and co. also advocated monetarist policies that are designed to artificially engineer a wider reserve army of labour, giving up stronger Keynesian stimulus measures in the process.
yohaneuano4 1 year ago
@yohaneuano4 On the second point: there is little documented evidence that it does this either. Regardless, if Friedman opposes this for it's politicking with the economy, would he also advocate greater regulation of big business and shareholders, which can perform an almost infinite number of manouvres to interfere with the "free" market. (Also, a solution to the non-unionized: join one).
yohaneuano4 1 year ago
@yohaneuano4 Cenk mentions this in the video: the failure since the late 70s of wages to keep up with productivity. How can even libertarians deny that this is unfair? But it is precisely due to the unequal relations of production. The free market leads to slavery: something Nozick did not see as contradictory and was quite happy with btw.
yohaneuano4 1 year ago
@yohaneuano4
I think people look at structural unemployment.
What we have is transient unemployment due to the economic shock that we had a couple of years ago.
In the 30s, there was far more unionization and higher unemployment. That factoid alone doesn't prove that unionization leads to higher unemployment any more than the current high unemployment proves that lack of unions causes high unemployment.
But anyway, the point is that this was the wrong guest to discuss the issue with.
yogishkamath 1 year ago
"I will be in LA, Do you want to meet?" Them sound like some fightin words!
hochdaddy 1 year ago
Cenk brings facts to table. Bego brings useless anectodal evidence. Cenk destroys him here.
molnes 1 year ago 2
Unions have been corrupt in the past, have gone too far in the past, certain unions HAVE gotten too much for their workers and have forced certain industries to pay their employees more than the labor itself was worth, made it so those wages couldn't be lowered when perhaps they needed to be, etc. It may happen to a small extent in the present.
But that's like saying cars are bad because people crash them. They're responsible for the way we've developed our country. Made life better for all.
dEdGrimley 1 year ago
nah, man, you need to get a much smarter conservative to debate
pinochet222 1 year ago
"Cenk, you have to understand ..."
pinochet222 1 year ago
Another thing Bego conveniently forgets is that historically, administrations running of the NLRB reflects their perspective and that of their supporters. You would not have heard a peep from this guy during the Bush years.
amfanmagician 1 year ago
"Intimidating" someone to be union , to actually have rights on the job, a living wage, a decent pension,and insurance...how terrible, lol. What these hypocritical fools like this guy doesn't understand is that without decent wages and a thriving middle class, YOU HAVE LESS CUSTOMERS. We need the Employee Free Choice Act badly in this country....too bad most Democrats are pussies and won't stand up for it.
amfanmagician 1 year ago
organizes labor and organized crime, both collect their dues and both think their above the law
marktsheppard 1 year ago
this is all i heard David bego sayt hrough out the whole interview MMMMMMM"KAY ,LET ME FINISH
omgwateverlol 1 year ago
m'kay...what a tool
rogertheedodger 1 year ago 3
unions are both great and bad, great because it keeps fair working standards, bad because you cant sack incompitance when the unions start to abuse their abilities like shit teachers dont get sacked cos the union threatens action.
MitchofSmeg 1 year ago
m'kay? haha
btan1994 1 year ago 3
You tell him Cenk. Anecdotal evidence means nothing. Give me statistics.
phosoxrad 1 year ago
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transexxygirl 1 year ago
im glad the guest spoke slowly so my poor "rank and file" ass could understand his intellectual pearls. smug shit.
underweightHater 1 year ago
cenk debating mr. macky :)
SuperPachecs 1 year ago 3
is it me or does this man sound like nicolas cage? ahaha
i3d3f3 1 year ago
This guy sucks, ok?
beatleapostle 1 year ago 3
Some comments on the Beggo moron. As far as his debating and rhetoric skills go, he is below your average bible-humping conservative. For a message to be accepted it must be logical, emotional, and authoritative. Most right wing brain-dead bible humpers are at least emotional when they make up shit or propose specific anecdotes as evidence against facts that they deny (Flat Earth Society anyone?) This dude isn't even emotional. And he has a punchable face.
DrQuijano 1 year ago
ROFL for the Kanye West move you pulled in 2:40!!!! "Ok wait up I don't want to interrupt you but I gotta ask this Imma let you finish..."
DrQuijano 1 year ago
Yep, another ideological idiot who lives in his own small world. HIS anecdotal "evidence" is all that matters. Conservatives hate facts and evidence.
ridewave444 1 year ago
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myHome109 1 year ago
That guy was so boring and pointless. If that interview had been half as long it would have been too much.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
I think Bego made an interesting point at the end. Cenk's numbers are probably true but Bego wasn't disputing Cenk's number. Bego was saying that because Becker is in power, he will try to force unionization on businesses and their employees that aren't asking for it. The whole time he was supporting his thesis by saying, "zero employees told me they wanted 2 b unionized but the NLRB (or whoever) still came after my company...unjustifiably." Im not defending either point, just clarifying Bego.
mvans130 1 year ago
omg omg omg
unions are the devil !
greenhell666 1 year ago
UNIONIZE THE ELVES!
SamHagagaga 1 year ago
Cenk! Meet him in October! Please! You'll own his ass so bad!
zibbaen 1 year ago
Imma let you finish, but Bill O'Reilly is the greatest conservative of all time! OF ALL TIIIME!
zibbaen 1 year ago
David Bego is a condescending idiot. Jenk CRUSHED him.
By the way, if he left the company in 1980 paying his employees $3.35 /hr (and he isn't precise on when he left so I can only guess), in 2009 money that would be $8.61. Again because he doesn't give precise numbers I'm going to just multiply that by three, so he's now paying his employees $10.05 an hour. While it is a 16% improvement in wages, it's nowhere near 'three times as much'.
Plus as Jenk says it's purely anecdotal anyway.
shraka 1 year ago
Did Cenk just get challenged to a fight at the end there?
HighwayHaloFilms 1 year ago
@HighwayHaloFilms No
cheddyrod 1 year ago
This guy David Bego sounds a lot like Mr. Mackey from South Park ... "mkay".
Mernie9 1 year ago
ahhhh so frustrating, he doesnt listen to the data at all and plows on with his anecdotal personal story!!!
amcke001 1 year ago
This guy sucks, OK?
adr58 1 year ago
ok?
endervideos 1 year ago
You DO Find them in the Bahamas
jasonpalth 1 year ago
Cenk has no idea what the fuck he is talking about - he's just spitting out superficial and factually incorrect talking points. He doesn't realize that his opponent is actually stunned by how stupid he is, and he actually struggles to find some ground to discuss something that Cenk actually understands.
Cenk is also patronizing too boot, making the entire interview almost satirical.
glennd7962 1 year ago
@glennd7962 ... I think you watched a different interview to the one I watched.
shraka 1 year ago
This guy's an idiot. In an age where CEO's are making record salaries and bonuses, he blames wage stagnation on international competition and improper business management?
Here's a novel idea: Why don't you fork over some of those record profits and bonuses to the workers? Oh I'm sorry, they're the only people in the world who deserve a pay raise.
PooeyMess 1 year ago
@PooeyMess My last sentence was in reference to CEO's
PooeyMess 1 year ago
I wonder how many of his non-union employees are now suffering in poverty in their retirement ages because there were no union pensions?
dustinjt 1 year ago
TYT is not the place to rest entirely on anecdotal evidence and expect to be taken seriously.
fielsjd 1 year ago
this isnt a wage issue, who needs money? pft money is for suckers
elchinonica 1 year ago
BE GONE BEGO!
TheCulprid 1 year ago
I applaud Cenk for having his facts and figures at the ready. Even when Bego tried to question the credibility of the survey, Cenk pwned his ass.
Violent2aShadow 1 year ago 3
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Dear Cenk! PLEASE NOTE AS OTHERS HAVE SAID
Nominal wages have risen, like this dude says, but real wages (adjusted for inflation) have stagnated.... so wages have stagnated in terms of their purchasing power. Basic stuff here..... so when he says "wages have risen from $3 - 1$2" - it's meaningless
alexknorth 1 year ago
Dear Cenk! PLEASE NOTE AS OTHERS HAVE SAID
Nominal wages have risen, like this dude says, but real wages (adjusted for inflation) have stagnated.... so wages have stagnated in terms of their purchasing power. Basic stuff here..... so when he says "wages have risen from $3 - 1$2" - it's completely meaningless
alexknorth 1 year ago
Yeah Cenk stop using the numbers, you never owned a janitorial company. Weaksauce.
starkweather444 1 year ago
@starkweather444
good point, that guy could mop the floor with Cenk in a real debate.
ben2point0 1 year ago
@ben2point0 Exactly, all Cenk had was the numbers in a survey,.probably surveyed thousands of companies and monitored all kinds of internals.
But the Conservative guy had the story of his one experience and really nothing else, cause he knows the SEIU is the devil right?
Liberals bring the weaksauce like fact and polling data
We Conservatives have emotion and personal stories.
We win again!
starkweather444 1 year ago
Bego should have taken that one point, "This is an issue of forced unionization" and made it. Instead he talked endlessly about his personal experiences. Why? What does it have to do with the point you wish to make.
The point is bogus, btw. What he is trying to say is that employees don't want to be represented, but unions represent them against their will, and then they lose their jobs. It doesn't work like that, but nevertheless he should have MADE THAT FUCKING CASE. Dumb.
sicklesickle 1 year ago
You pay 3 to four times because of inflation fucking moron.
filthyfun 1 year ago 19
@filthyfun Yep, though if he left that company in the '80s it's a 16% wage increase. Though because he isn't very precise that could be because he employs a higher percentage of skilled labour now and thus needs to pay them more. I can only speculate because of how imprecise he was.
shraka 1 year ago
@filthyfun I was wondering why Cenk didn't bring that up. I guess he kept getting cut off and didn't get to talk much. He would try but the guy would keep going back to personal stories as if it evidence against the numbers.
If you adjust for inflation, like you said......we have flatlined our middle class Americans salaries while the top 5% have cut into an even bigger piece of the pie.
seattle8686 1 year ago
@filthyfun That's exactly what I was thinking. "Wages HAVE SO gone up! Back in 1972 they were getting paid 3 bucks an hour, and now they're getting 7.50!"
What a piece of shit.
devourerofbabies 1 year ago
Fuck this pig... He's so scared of unions plus he's an asshole. fuck this Retard.
filthyfun 1 year ago
David Bego kicked jenks ass!
Paulwhoisvegan 1 year ago
@Paulwhoisvegan ... In Bizzaro world?
shraka 1 year ago
people CAN NOT argue with cenk for the simple fact that he brings the god damned honest truth and these people are so far removed from truth in their own crazy world that they have created. lies are truths to them, they dont just brainwash people they brainwash themselves in the process. my grandma said "stupidity is a virus" and she was more than right. im sick to death of all the ridiculous, idiotic, hatefull, self-serving people that claim they care about everyone else yet obviously dont.
pyledog 1 year ago 13
I'm going to LA in october, do you want to die?
BobtheMoneythedbr 1 year ago
Yeah countries overseas can undercut you with slave labor ;)
annata12 1 year ago 2
@annata12 And that's exactly why America needs slave labour back.
... what?
shraka 1 year ago
mkay
FreedomReign66 1 year ago
What a deeply smug and unpleasant man. If the boss is against it I'm for it.
PhilJRose 1 year ago 3
Bego comes across like a conman.
MrMoodang 1 year ago
Cenk "I just Wanna Get Clarity on That", Remind you Of anyone?, hmm "IM GONNA REPEAT MYSELF SO I HAVE CLARITY HERE TONIGHT" lol, I wish they had a Button With Phil Davison saying that, would have been hilarious if he used it then.
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PhilJRose 1 year ago
So he had no employee contact him about joining a union? Really, you don't say? I was pretty sure that employees don't contact employers if they're thinking about joining a union because they know they'll be on the fast track to getting fired. This is pretty common knowledge; I'm surprised he would even say this. This guy obviously exists within a management bubble where even if he's well intention, he doesn't understand his employee's position on the simplest of points of view.
FloppyFormatFrenzy 1 year ago
@FloppyFormatFrenzy I'm not sure if he's a bit dumb or an evil bastard.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - Robert J. Hanlon
I guess he's just a bit dumb.
shraka 1 year ago
this interview was a waste of time, ok?
controlledentropy 1 year ago
david bego tries to act like his personal experience is proof in favor of his argument.
as if somehow his examples from personal experience disproves universal reality.
elnegrobembon 1 year ago
Adam Savage: "I reject your reality and substitute my own."
DukeOfHealthDrink 1 year ago 3
Wow, a well spoken, non crazy conservative? Dont see that shit everyday....
redriverhautbois 1 year ago
@redriverhautbois And we didn't see it today either.
shraka 1 year ago
Cenk keeps arguing using facts and figures and david bego keeps speaking from personal experiance and telling nice little stories.
Obvisously Cenks style of arguement is the most logical one.
Anecdotal evidence is irrelevant! Unfortunately for reasonable people there is a lot of evidence to suggest that this narrative style of debate is a lot more appealing to most people because its more accessable.
This is one of the many reasons the right kicks the lefts ass so much in the US.
ultang42 1 year ago 43
@ultang42
Anecdotal evidence has merit, but it's supporting evidence, not primary. If you're looking at the big picture, you don't want to use anecdotes, but if you want to see how specific cases are handled, you use that secondary evidence. You start with facts and figures, and then break it down, and combine the two.
But that being said, nothing could be more true that stories entertain more statistics. Look at the success of Sarah Palin. No substance at all, just folksy jibba-jabba.
dEdGrimley 1 year ago
Lol he is basically saying don't look at the big picture go by my company's example.
Iceber9 1 year ago
Is he asking cenk out there at the end? lol :DD
ViraIVideos 1 year ago
this just shows that conservatives/republicans dont understand balance at all cenk did a good job trying to get that asshole to shut the fuck up and ha bisky upload
kazooga1234 1 year ago
What a ridiculous Answer to wage stagnation, "we can't compete with business over sea's"? Really? We're supposed to have tariffs to augment that, NAFTA lifted most of them.
Pleblian 1 year ago 2
@Pleblian The protectionist strategy was thrown out by Reagan about five years before the U.S.-Canada Free Trade agreement of 1987. NAFTA was just one more step towards where we are along with Sarbanes-Oxley, which discourages companies from becoming IPOs.
Macabre215 1 year ago
@Macabre215 Can you reference what specific protectionist strategy Reagan threw-out?
Correct me if I'm wrong but SOX does not apply to privately held companies.
Pleblian 1 year ago
@Pleblian He sided with GATT/WTO and lowered tariffs, which are apart of the protectionist strategy created by Alexander Hamilton.
SOX doesn't not apply to private business, but does nothing help it either. All it does is allows publicly traded companies to hold monopolies easier by making it impossible for smaller private companies from going public. A good example is Twitter and Facebook, both of which would lose 4% of profits right off the bat by becoming an IPO. 500 Character's not enough.
Macabre215 1 year ago
As far as I can recall, management isn't allowed to talk to workers when they are deciding to unionize. The vote is the final vote. I worked at a shop that wanted to unionize and the union didn't get in because the majority didn't want it. So what is this guy talking about?
Boomer1949 1 year ago
Solidarity forever!
Grindermetalhead 1 year ago 21
Unions are bad, m'kay.
I ran a janitorial service, so fuck your Center for Economic and Policy Research statistics, m'kay!
I know stuff and I know Unions are bad and the devil, m'kay?!
Unions are bad, mkay.
Fucking retard...
TitoIsTheGreatest 1 year ago 70
@TitoIsTheGreatest lol
Pleblian 1 year ago
@TitoIsTheGreatest It's funny and sad at the same time because the guy persists in these delusions for no good reason.
He was very condescending. And now he wants to meet with Cenk so they can go in circles over the same points that this guy has already been proven wrong on? Strange.
PurpleHoneyBear 1 year ago
"I have to disagree with you"
"Those are numbers."
Loooooove it!
PolyaYeah 1 year ago 5
Cenk was a bit rude in this one, I hope he stays grounded and professional.
colloredbrothers 1 year ago
@colloredbrothers True, lol
He had his claws out right from the onset of this interview didn't he?
Pleblian 1 year ago
@Pleblian
yes, he also laughed at the guys book and sometimes laughed fakely at a point the other guy was making, to me it looked more like a guy from fox then TYT, I don't like disrespecting someone and fake stuff.
colloredbrothers 1 year ago
@colloredbrothers It's true,I wish Cenk would prepared for the interview by reading to the book. However, Bego did nothing more then provide made up facts and numbers based on personal experience. Cenk is right, his evidence is anecdotal that pushes for anti-union reform.
I worked in a "right to work state" and it's a nightmare for non-professional single employ's I couldn't imagine what it's like for a 2 income household with a family.
Pleblian 1 year ago
@colloredbrothers I thought he was quite civil. I would have ripped him a new one for trying to push an anecdote as counter evidence against statistical data, and for not adjusting for inflation.
shraka 1 year ago
this guy sounds like that south park counselor he's always saying ok WTF
RGKChannel 1 year ago
PWNED.
I love how he keeps trying to trump Cenk's argument with personal experience. Personal experience is NEVER evidence for anything.
fractal420 1 year ago 4
"Have you read my book?"
"Hahaha! No I haven't"
henrythesteinberg 1 year ago 4
Dammit, I read that as 'unicorns'
Zekkron 1 year ago
This man has the charisma of a bucket of wall-paper paste.
stukajunker88 1 year ago 2
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Cenk,
Answer this question or get your little army to answer it for you, and if you want to take this to messages, then feel free to message me, liberal.
If the Second New Deal was passed after Roosevelt's death; would this nation become a full blown Socialist nation?
--eathenicus, Glenn Beck.
eathenicus 1 year ago
@eathenicus what a ridiculous question, and calling him liberal as an isnult is an appeal to ridicule.
cut the shit. argue facts not nonsensical hypotheticals that nobody could answer
xkeltoix 1 year ago 2
@eathenicus SO you want Cenk to speculate about a possible future that never happend?
No one knows the future so asking someone what would have happened is umm.. stupid.
Tell Glenn Beck that.
fractal420 1 year ago 2
@eathenicus The US is already a socialized nation, it's a welfare state FOR the rich.
Does that answer your question?
Pleblian 1 year ago 4
@Pleblian So,
You voted for a Socialist to become President?! Fiend!
eathenicus 1 year ago
@eathenicus I am not entirely sure that is bad. I mean I would prefer a socialist president to a coke addled one like our previous. I mean are you seriously saying that Obama/ socialism is worse then the other option that election. A weak, politically controlled, mentally unstable old man, who in death, would have been succeeded by Sara Palin?the most unstable, short sighted, mentally deficient, monetarily motivated politician this generation? I'd rather the evil then the stupid if Obama's evil
NavariteAzuth 1 year ago
@NavariteAzuth It's amazing how you think I'm agreeing with Glenn Beck, I clearly was mocking him.
eathenicus 1 year ago
@eathenicus Um your not him? Personally saw through the IP. Got me checking though, good one.
ChristianHHS1016 1 year ago
@eathenicus no, it wouldn't have. we just would have had a complete welfare state. socialism isn't about setting up programs to give people things, it's about democratic ownership of the means of production.
00maharum00ma 1 year ago
@eathenicus social security is socialist. So since you hate socialism you would obviously want to get rid of social security and have seniors die in the street.
truthofevolution 1 year ago
define radical, Unions support the worker to maintain good conditions for the common man..........
ekrub205 1 year ago