Finns were alone, and will be so. i guess sweden will send some more resources than before (because they care about finland for some unknown and unexplained reason), but none of the other countries will help. Never did. Ever will :) i'm just happy to die alongside some1 who really cares, a Finn next to me. or perhaps he doesn't- but atleast i can say him "Peanuts" before the end :D
My granfather was in this war. For two weeks they didn't have anything to eat only melted snow as water. After two weeks the hunger was so great that they started to kill squirrels and other creatures in order to survive... Very very tough and brave men!
@hedlik I did watch all 10 parts of this documentry. It is a fine film documenting the war between Finland and Russia which many people know little or nothing about.
I don't know which of my statements you object to because you do not make this clear. There is obviously a controversy about whether or not Finland is a Scandinavian country (traditionally Denmark, Sweden, Norway). Also the film shows some military hardware that did not exist until later - perhaps used in the Continuation War.
@JDSFLA I think he is talking about the fact that Norway and Denmark actually was in the war. Unwillingly tho as both were neutral but Germany attacked them anyway. I suggest you read up on Norwegian heavy water sabotage and a little about D-Day too, you will find out Norway helped out a little during the invasion of normandy. So yea, Norway was helping as much as it could during the war.
why are they showing Russian T-34s when they were not even fully developed in the winter war?? All the footage of the T-34s is from the winter offensive of 7th dec 1941 outside Moscow! also at 0:53 is a German Panzer Mach V Panther Tank at the battle of the Kursk! This is shameful!
Had the soviets known what kind of ass whooping was in store for anyone invading her, they had sure left Finland alone and let the Germans try instead.
I know some people who fought in these battles and they said they actually felt sorry for the Russians, because they were so badly equipped and were freezing to death, many captured wanted to die instead because they were sick.
Finns were outnumbered, but Stalin didn't care much for his troops.
People, please understand that Finland was never part of the Axis. She just had to defend against one of the Allied nations. In such circumstances it was natural for the Finns to co-operate with the Germans (later) thus making it seem like they are part of the Axis but that was not the case.
@goofy932 It's funny when people cry about Finland accepting materials from Germany, and at the same time they don't realize who their allies were. England and the United States were allies with Stalin, the biggest mass-murderer in history. Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.
@baldurus1 Not quite -- it isn't as if UK and US were supportive of Stalin's invasions. It was merely a matter of realizing that if USSR fell, Hitler would be all but unstoppable. It was more a matter of having a common enemy in Hitler than anything else. So not nearly as simple as that. Besides, there wasn't much the US and UK could do about Stalin's invasions anyway.
@baldurus1 If you are talking about the Winter War then you might just be wrong. Italy wanted to provide Finland with weapons and supplies but those had to go trough Germany. Hitler refused this acces. He didn't want to poisen the relations he needed with Stalin. Also France and England had armies ready to aid the Fins, but Sweden denied military acces.
@alanheath I checked this. Sweden did deny access - sorry. Aid to Finland via Petsamo was not possible due to Soviet presence and the Baltic was blocked by Stalin's ally Hitler.
@baldurus1 The UK and US were not allies with Stalin in 1940. On the other hand Hitler was and Rippentrop had urged even the Nazi diplomacy to stress the Soviet point of view.
Stalin incidentally was not the biggest mass murderer in history - Hitler was.
@baldurus1 Hitler killed far more than six million - that is just the Jewish deaths. Around 40m people died in the European war alone. As for this 20 million figure, it includes many murdered by the Nazis - for which Stalin had a large level of responsibility of course. Now you do the maths.
@ljlassi Try looking at the Soviet census figures and then come back and claim that 'tens of millions' were murdered by Stalin in purges and deliberate starvation. Hundreds of thousands certainly did die - but in making absurd claims you are lessening the suffering of those that were murdered.
@alanheath OK. Tens of millions of people during the civil war (and later years?) and there indeed was some starvation in the Soviet Union. But as u said only hundreds of thousands were killed in the purges.
@ljlassi Even if one assumes that no Russians were killed in WW1 (which is totally absurd but lets assume) and one assumes that no-one was killed in action in the Russian Civil war (again totally absurd) and that there was no starvation caused by war (again absurd) and that no communist other than Stalin killed anyone (still absurd) there is still no way that tens of millions of people were killed by Stalin in the civil war.
@alanheath Tens of millions of people were killed in the civil war, but Stalin is not the one responsible for that, although he is responsible for executing thousands or tens of thousands of people in the civil war. Stalin killed at least 10 million people between beginning of his dictatorship and ww2.
@ljlassi Tens of millions were not killed in the civil war. As I keep repeating look at the census figures - but for some reason you won't.
You do not seem to realise how you insult the memory of the dead by your silly assertions. Last week tens of millions were killed now it is at least 10 million - somehow we have lost at least 10 million - these are huge quantities.
I do not doubt that millions were killed in the famine caused by the communists - but not tens of millions.
@alanheath At least ten million people were killed in the civil war because of the 1921 famine. Im sorry, u might have thought that i meant people directly in war.
Tens of millions is something between 20 and 100 millions, but i thought more people would have been killed, 10 millions is probably pretty close.
Im not sure have i found the "census figures" you mean, but they count population? I mean, there can still be population growth even if millions die every year "unnaturally"...
Well.. not really.. the british and french was about to set out and join the finns in the war against the soviets just as the finns surrendered. But incidently they would have to invade Norway.. But that would have failed miserably seeing how the expeditionary forces just sat at the beaches in Narvik and bombed civilians.
@baldurus1 not to mention that the holocaust began to be uncovered after the war's end. to the average person nazi germany was just a repressive dictatorship. kinda like it was with stalin's regime.
@Garegin The only evidence suggesting the Holocaust happened were testimonials from future recipients of reparations. No one pleaded guilty to holocaust, no one was charged with holocaust. If 6 million Jews were supposedly executed their would have been evidence, their isn't so it never happened The red cross whom monitored such camps confirmed the holocaust was a lie. On the other hand they got kicked out of allied camps after reporting mass starvations of millions of POWs!!!
This is a good narrative of the Winter War of 1940, however, titling it "Battle of Scandinavia" is misleading as Norway, Sweden and Denmark were not in the war - and Finland is not part of Scandinavia. Also, sometimes the film includes scenes from later battles of World War II. For example, Russian T-34 tank production did not begin until early 1941, and the German Panther tank (which is shown in this film segment) did not exist until 1943.
@MrWattu I also think that Finland is part of Scandinavia but of course this is a geographical name which can change. I have heard the argument that Finland is not a Scandinavian country but a Baltic country (what sea is Sweden on - I have forgotten??)
@alanheath Baltic Sea! i can tell you that Estonia , Latvia and Lithuania are Baltic countrys and Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Iceland AND FINLAND ARE SCANDINAVIA!! use wiki!! i live in Finland so i know little bit more from Finland! PERKELE!!
@MrWattu The fact that you live in Finland does not mean that you know more than me. I could claim that as a native English speaker I know more than you - but I won't because that would be silly. Scandinavia is a regional name which clearly for the people who made this film includes Finland - as it would do for most people. I am sure it was until the Russians took Finland from Sweden. Perhaps the term Nordic countries would cause less upset for the likes of you.
@alanheath ok you know something about Finland i give you that. but i insure you that we are part of Skandinavia. im 15 and all my life i have nown that Finland is part of Skandinavia. ask from Swedish , Danish, Norwegian or icelanders. even Estonian peapol know that.
@MrWattu More shame on you then for not knowing that Finland is not a part of Scandinavia. You don't have to believe me, just do a little research so you will be better informed. Just Google the word "Scandinavia".
@JDSFLA LOL wiki confroms that Finland is part of Skandinavia. you just dont get it. and in pictures 99% have Finland on them. and i founded that web have mixed views but if you ask Finnish person that is Finland part of Skandinavia. they will say yes. and just out of curiosoty how have you learnd that Finland istn part of Skandinavia???
@MrWattu Yes and no that Finland is a part of scandinavia. Reason why Finland can be counted as a part of scandinavia is because Finland was ones under Swedish rule, and do share culture and history with the other scandinavian countries. But the other reason why some people dont count Finland to scandinavia is because the language is not related to other germanic languages ( there are some words that are similar) and for the most part Finns dont share the same genetics .
@MrWattu Friend yes, but im originally Finnish from wat i know but im born and live in sweden. But i can see the diffrence in wat belongs to scandinavia.
How about you look at the rest of the parts to figure out why. And culturally Finland belongs to Scandinavia although we should replace Scandinavia with Fennoscandia imho.
@JDSFLA Denmark is not part of the Scandinavian peninsula while Finland & Sweden are part of the Fenno-Scandic Shield geological formation. Parts of Finland were ruled by Sweden for longer than southern Sweden has been part of Sweden; it had been part of Denmark. Swedish is spoken in parts of Finland & is one of the two official languages. The Finnish legal system is Scandinavian at its base. The Finnish language is Finno-Ugric,but has like Swedish & English an Indo-European verb system.
when i watch this it feels like the casulty rate of this war was like a 100 to 1 but when i read about it i was only 5 to 1 so i feel this film paint's a unfair picure of the war. even so i'm not saying finish troops and generals didn't prove to be amongest the best in the world.
@dunderklumpen13 Under these circumstances a casualty rate of 5 to 1 is still enormous. The soviet losses in the winter war is under all circumstances shocking.
Big time respect for the Finns.Why fuck with them when you can get bit.They don`t bother anyone.They don`t need anyone to take them over.They do just fine without outside influence or dominence.
Russians had weird tactic. They just rushed and they had to stand up and un like hell. If they backed up, they were shotted by some friendly at the back.
The way things are going in the here and now, we can do it again! I am talking about the middle east we should pull out and let them come to us and let the cold do its work! I would love to see the Saudis and Egyptians take on a Scandinavian country in our own back yard fuck going over there to fight!
The middle easts are plains of murder not war. All there is are scattered talibans attacking in suicide bombings. The only army is the one of UN and US.
Finland is an amazing country, I wish i were finish :P
But this video isn't telling all the facts.. Thousands of Norwegian died in this war (for finland) aswell.. My granddad died in this war, fighting for his neighbor country, would have been good if atleast the Norwegian troops in finland were mention..
@TWcrew1 I'm sorry, but how could thousands of Norwegians have died in the Winter War when there weren't even a thousand Norwegian volunteers fighting?
@darkmage7280 il promise you there where thousands of swedish danish and norwegian volunteers in finland im norwegian and if you have seen the movie max manus a true story about one of the norwegian finland veterans resistance in ww2 norway sry but then theyr wrong :)
@BERNTRR There were 10,000 Swedish volunteers and 700 Norwegian volunteers fighting in the Winter War. My profound gratitude and respect forthem, but there simply weren't thousands of Norwegians.
@userstupidname bullshit my friend, Russia made peace (they didnt won, but peace by their demands) only because of affraid of western countries (UK, France) would had helped us, then when really needed help from everybody you should had brought that to us (part of my family moved to US 16th century, so mean us too). If nazis (stupid thought) would helped friends (Hungary and so) to get help through think we could had quite many div more and things maybe had been quite different Fuck politics !
No they didn't. They didn't captured Finland what was reason for that war. In continuation of war we did can kick russians ass really good but when they seem that Finland is winning they did made piece with their rules =(
@UrM0M13 you should be, and you saved Swedens ass aswell, probably Norway to. Norway could have been able to do the same against the Germans, but to many of our leaders were pro german.
@supermoto804 Not really. Finland bought supplies where it could get them and used old ones (helmets as a good example, you can see all kind of models). Only 1/3 had a uniform ready but all got snow camouflages. Lack of all war material (ammunition, tanks, planes) forced Finns to use all imagination to hold on in the Winter War.
Actually the German influence on Finnish uniform is quite big. Large part of highest Finnish officers being German-trained Jaegers, German-style design was quite natural to adopt in 1920's.
Uh, more than that bro. He got another 250 kills with his SMG sidearm, and the Fins lost counter for how many he killed with his sniper. Many believe he killed well over 900 Russians.
quisling was not the defence minister of norway, he was some random leader of a pro-nazi party called "nasjonal samling", a bunch of traitors, anyway, there was a huge difference between norway and finland during that time, i must admit that the norwegians didn't fight as well as they could, but our goverment didn't pay attention to the military of norway, the finnish goverment did. And we faced Germany, wich was far more superior than russia at that time. anyways, the fins did a great job;)
I cant imagine seeing armed Finnish troops leaping from roofs and landing on tanks, then firing there SMGs into the vison slits. Thats truely amazing.
I'd say its amazing how incompetent the Soviets were more than anything else. What did determination earn Greece, or Yugoslavia, or Poland? It is a matter of military tactics.
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The Norwegian cities of Bergen, Stavanger, Egersund, Kristiansand S, Arendal, Horten, Trondheim and Narvik were all attacked and captured within 24 hours. Norways Defense Minister Vidkun Quisling announced the secession of hostilities against the Germans immediately and launched a coup d etat. Most Norwegian forces fought. King King Haakon VII escaped to the North.
@NarowAR07 If our friends the nazis would have won we wouldn't have been much more free, Finns were just good enough to be _servants_ of the supposed Aryan folk... Fortunately neither power won properly, at least in Finland :) We kept our independence except for some tiny weeny finlandization.
@NarowAR07 ootko suomalaine? tiesiks et suomella( niinku siis valtiol) ei ollu mitään kunno liitto saksan kaa, suome presidentti lupas et nii kauan ku se on johdossa nii se taistelee ryssää vastaa, sit 44 se luopu siitä
@tjhoenecke well as ive understood it the finns deal with the germans was brothers in war type of thing they got guns and other supplies for holding the line against soviet
@NarowAR07 My nationality is irrelevant, except perhaps to a racist. My point was, my answer would depend on how much allying with the Nazis meant complying with their agenda. Is it worth it to save your country if you have to sell your soul to do it? Wasn't the SS Viking Division raised, at least in part, from Finland? How many innocent Jew, baptist, gypsy, gay, and non-Aryans lives are worth it to save one's own skin?
@tjhoenecke finland never handed over any jews the rest i dont know but swedish finns norweigians and germans gave their lives to prevent finland from being occupied by the soviets and for what ? to become as mixed as america dude you will never understand what its like to live with your own people becouse you dont have any. however dont take it personal since you can allways make people yours right conversation over you will not understand.
@NarowAR07 As I said before, an irrelevant argument, except to a racist. My previous questions still stand. Finalnd made a choice between two evils, but you seem to say that that's okay, because it preserved your race. All I know is that sort of racist thinking is what gave us both world wars. I can understand making the argument for taking one side or the other (Nazi vs. Communist), but please don't try to make it sound like the ultimate act of nobility.
@tjhoenecke oh no you missunderstood me completely! finland just did what was best in their situation good or bad doesn't matter besides every country has bad politicans cant judge the whole population from it.
@tjhoenecke SS Wiking was a division formed from volunteers and there was volunteers from all over the Scandinavia also. Look from wikipedia. So its not selling the country if less than 500 Finns take part in that division. As you have seen this video series you should know that it was evitable to ally with Germany so we could hold our independence. And complying to agenda... well everyone can say that but not feel the same way you know? OFC there was Finnish nazis.
wow it's incredible that we were never taught anything about the winter war in school it seems the exploits of the finns should be something of legend, and that this is a very important piece of WWII history should be taught as well.
True, we were. But why were we? Because the West had abonded us. To the Allied we were nothing more but a new region of the USSR now.
:# We have nothing to apologize for or thank for from the West. We were betrayed and forced to go with a lesser evil, Hitler. We were told to give into Russian demands and befriend them. And when we finally did we were cast down as ass-licking communists. It's the same today. Would Russia attack, no country would make any military action against Russia.
They might say "bad words" but unless it was WW3. No one would do anything. We would propably get material support but still. But if Sweden or Norwat happened to be attacked, the whole of Europe would be on Russias troath. Today, we are still in Russias frontline and it's "property"
@setakakki Hitler wasn't such a lesser evil for us, don't be anachronistic. Finland was leaning heavily towards Germany during whole 30's, and the relations to nazis were warm on political levels. People of the time didn't see Hitler or nazis as we do, they saw powerful friends with similar right-wing politics (by this I mean the old "whites" of the civil war). Nothing surprising there.
its always happy to know what happen to great soldiers such as Simo Häyhä after the war. he lived in a small village after the war and was a moose hunter. its amazing.
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Nobody knows a fucking shit.
There was swedish people who went over to both norway and Finland and fight against the germans (nazis)
Becouse sweden was not in war,the swedes didnt like that.
So they went over to our neighbours and fought against the germans.
The swedes war not allowed to do that,but they did it.
It was not the swedish peoples who decided that,it was the people i dont know (staten)
i dont know,but it was not the swedish people.
So stop calling us weak!
TheEmsann 3 weeks ago
Finns were alone, and will be so. i guess sweden will send some more resources than before (because they care about finland for some unknown and unexplained reason), but none of the other countries will help. Never did. Ever will :) i'm just happy to die alongside some1 who really cares, a Finn next to me. or perhaps he doesn't- but atleast i can say him "Peanuts" before the end :D
arkhibas 1 month ago
actually more like the McQuorquindale calling the McQuorquindale smokey....(cauldron of the THUNDERPEOPLE)
FENVYNVYR 1 month ago
Why do they show destroyed panthers and rolling T34s? =)
grahwo 3 months ago
My granfather was in this war. For two weeks they didn't have anything to eat only melted snow as water. After two weeks the hunger was so great that they started to kill squirrels and other creatures in order to survive... Very very tough and brave men!
Mikuli7 5 months ago
@hedlik I did watch all 10 parts of this documentry. It is a fine film documenting the war between Finland and Russia which many people know little or nothing about.
I don't know which of my statements you object to because you do not make this clear. There is obviously a controversy about whether or not Finland is a Scandinavian country (traditionally Denmark, Sweden, Norway). Also the film shows some military hardware that did not exist until later - perhaps used in the Continuation War.
JDSFLA 7 months ago
@JDSFLA I think he is talking about the fact that Norway and Denmark actually was in the war. Unwillingly tho as both were neutral but Germany attacked them anyway. I suggest you read up on Norwegian heavy water sabotage and a little about D-Day too, you will find out Norway helped out a little during the invasion of normandy. So yea, Norway was helping as much as it could during the war.
Knottx 4 months ago
At 0:53 Isn't that a Panther?
Janohve123 8 months ago
Panther at 52 seconds.
IceRich05 9 months ago
Why is this titled the Scandanavian War? Finland is not Scandanavian.
1prodrifter 9 months ago
Holy shit good job Fins!!!!!
3star2nr 10 months ago
why are they showing Russian T-34s when they were not even fully developed in the winter war?? All the footage of the T-34s is from the winter offensive of 7th dec 1941 outside Moscow! also at 0:53 is a German Panzer Mach V Panther Tank at the battle of the Kursk! This is shameful!
rocksonice3333 11 months ago
Notice how the finns tactics were too attack forces that could not fight back. A smart chose.
NoRacismInThisWorld 11 months ago
@NoRacismInThisWorld Like in Raate-road? Finns gain there more guns than we even buy in entire war agaist Soviets. So plz dont talk bullshit.
lintu25 9 months ago
Had the soviets known what kind of ass whooping was in store for anyone invading her, they had sure left Finland alone and let the Germans try instead.
S0ikk3li 11 months ago
I know some people who fought in these battles and they said they actually felt sorry for the Russians, because they were so badly equipped and were freezing to death, many captured wanted to die instead because they were sick.
Finns were outnumbered, but Stalin didn't care much for his troops.
ajlepisto 11 months ago
if it wasn't for us danish,swedish and norwegian troops.
raztin1 1 year ago
long live finland
blixtkrig 1 year ago
Welcome russia ;D
it would be nice if we have a scandinavian union, so we Finns dont need nato cos we have Swe,Nor,Den behind us!!
panokset 1 year ago
00:53 lol wtf isn't that a Panther?
hiivasieni 1 year ago
@hiivasieni It sure is! I'm glad another Finn noticed it, too.
darkmage7280 11 months ago
@darkmage7280 you two are not alone....
VideoGamerize 11 months ago
Those tanks get Molotovs so bad :)
Think about it. I sound ez. But do you got the guts, to run to the tank?
Heroic. And those men do that daily basis.
lintu25 1 year ago
People, please understand that Finland was never part of the Axis. She just had to defend against one of the Allied nations. In such circumstances it was natural for the Finns to co-operate with the Germans (later) thus making it seem like they are part of the Axis but that was not the case.
goofy932 1 year ago
@goofy932 It's funny when people cry about Finland accepting materials from Germany, and at the same time they don't realize who their allies were. England and the United States were allies with Stalin, the biggest mass-murderer in history. Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.
baldurus1 1 year ago 46
@baldurus1 Not quite -- it isn't as if UK and US were supportive of Stalin's invasions. It was merely a matter of realizing that if USSR fell, Hitler would be all but unstoppable. It was more a matter of having a common enemy in Hitler than anything else. So not nearly as simple as that. Besides, there wasn't much the US and UK could do about Stalin's invasions anyway.
tjhoenecke 9 months ago
@baldurus1 If you are talking about the Winter War then you might just be wrong. Italy wanted to provide Finland with weapons and supplies but those had to go trough Germany. Hitler refused this acces. He didn't want to poisen the relations he needed with Stalin. Also France and England had armies ready to aid the Fins, but Sweden denied military acces.
MercenaryJasper 9 months ago
@MercenaryJasper I don't think Sweden denied access - I think that the the British and French were just not ready on time but I may be wrong.
alanheath 9 months ago
@alanheath I checked this. Sweden did deny access - sorry. Aid to Finland via Petsamo was not possible due to Soviet presence and the Baltic was blocked by Stalin's ally Hitler.
alanheath 9 months ago
@baldurus1 The UK and US were not allies with Stalin in 1940. On the other hand Hitler was and Rippentrop had urged even the Nazi diplomacy to stress the Soviet point of view.
Stalin incidentally was not the biggest mass murderer in history - Hitler was.
alanheath 9 months ago
@alanheath 6 million vs. 20 million, you do the math.
baldurus1 9 months ago
@baldurus1 what 6m v 20m?
alanheath 9 months ago
@baldurus1 Hitler killed far more than six million - that is just the Jewish deaths. Around 40m people died in the European war alone. As for this 20 million figure, it includes many murdered by the Nazis - for which Stalin had a large level of responsibility of course. Now you do the maths.
alanheath 9 months ago
@alanheath Stalin is not a murder due to ww2, but due to his purges and programs that led in starvation of tens of millions.
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@ljlassi Try looking at the Soviet census figures and then come back and claim that 'tens of millions' were murdered by Stalin in purges and deliberate starvation. Hundreds of thousands certainly did die - but in making absurd claims you are lessening the suffering of those that were murdered.
alanheath 8 months ago
@alanheath OK. Tens of millions of people during the civil war (and later years?) and there indeed was some starvation in the Soviet Union. But as u said only hundreds of thousands were killed in the purges.
ljlassi 8 months ago
@ljlassi Even if one assumes that no Russians were killed in WW1 (which is totally absurd but lets assume) and one assumes that no-one was killed in action in the Russian Civil war (again totally absurd) and that there was no starvation caused by war (again absurd) and that no communist other than Stalin killed anyone (still absurd) there is still no way that tens of millions of people were killed by Stalin in the civil war.
Look at the census figures!
alanheath 8 months ago
@alanheath Tens of millions of people were killed in the civil war, but Stalin is not the one responsible for that, although he is responsible for executing thousands or tens of thousands of people in the civil war. Stalin killed at least 10 million people between beginning of his dictatorship and ww2.
Google Soviet famine.
ljlassi 8 months ago
@ljlassi Tens of millions were not killed in the civil war. As I keep repeating look at the census figures - but for some reason you won't.
You do not seem to realise how you insult the memory of the dead by your silly assertions. Last week tens of millions were killed now it is at least 10 million - somehow we have lost at least 10 million - these are huge quantities.
I do not doubt that millions were killed in the famine caused by the communists - but not tens of millions.
alanheath 8 months ago
@alanheath At least ten million people were killed in the civil war because of the 1921 famine. Im sorry, u might have thought that i meant people directly in war.
Tens of millions is something between 20 and 100 millions, but i thought more people would have been killed, 10 millions is probably pretty close.
Im not sure have i found the "census figures" you mean, but they count population? I mean, there can still be population growth even if millions die every year "unnaturally"...
ljlassi 8 months ago
@alanheath Sorry i failed at my earlier comment, i was supposed to say that 10 millions died in the civil war, not tens of millions.
ljlassi 8 months ago
@baldurus1
Well.. not really.. the british and french was about to set out and join the finns in the war against the soviets just as the finns surrendered. But incidently they would have to invade Norway.. But that would have failed miserably seeing how the expeditionary forces just sat at the beaches in Narvik and bombed civilians.
grahwo 3 months ago
@baldurus1 not to mention that the holocaust began to be uncovered after the war's end. to the average person nazi germany was just a repressive dictatorship. kinda like it was with stalin's regime.
Garegin 5 days ago
@Garegin The only evidence suggesting the Holocaust happened were testimonials from future recipients of reparations. No one pleaded guilty to holocaust, no one was charged with holocaust. If 6 million Jews were supposedly executed their would have been evidence, their isn't so it never happened The red cross whom monitored such camps confirmed the holocaust was a lie. On the other hand they got kicked out of allied camps after reporting mass starvations of millions of POWs!!!
Himmler620 19 hours ago
@goofy932 we were axis but not nazis -_-
VideoGamerize 11 months ago
thanks finland but dont forget the norwiegan underground!
TheRumble68 1 year ago
This is a good narrative of the Winter War of 1940, however, titling it "Battle of Scandinavia" is misleading as Norway, Sweden and Denmark were not in the war - and Finland is not part of Scandinavia. Also, sometimes the film includes scenes from later battles of World War II. For example, Russian T-34 tank production did not begin until early 1941, and the German Panther tank (which is shown in this film segment) did not exist until 1943.
JDSFLA 1 year ago 20
@JDSFLA FINLAND IS PART OS SCADINAVIA!!!! and i know becuse i live thear
MrWattu 8 months ago
@MrWattu OF**
MrWattu 8 months ago
@MrWattu I also think that Finland is part of Scandinavia but of course this is a geographical name which can change. I have heard the argument that Finland is not a Scandinavian country but a Baltic country (what sea is Sweden on - I have forgotten??)
alanheath 8 months ago
@alanheath Baltic Sea! i can tell you that Estonia , Latvia and Lithuania are Baltic countrys and Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Iceland AND FINLAND ARE SCANDINAVIA!! use wiki!! i live in Finland so i know little bit more from Finland! PERKELE!!
MrWattu 8 months ago
@MrWattu The fact that you live in Finland does not mean that you know more than me. I could claim that as a native English speaker I know more than you - but I won't because that would be silly. Scandinavia is a regional name which clearly for the people who made this film includes Finland - as it would do for most people. I am sure it was until the Russians took Finland from Sweden. Perhaps the term Nordic countries would cause less upset for the likes of you.
alanheath 8 months ago
@alanheath ok you know something about Finland i give you that. but i insure you that we are part of Skandinavia. im 15 and all my life i have nown that Finland is part of Skandinavia. ask from Swedish , Danish, Norwegian or icelanders. even Estonian peapol know that.
MrWattu 8 months ago
@MrWattu ei suomi kuulu Skandinaviaan, vaan Pohjoismaihin.
FinJebu 8 months ago in playlist 2D.Battlefield II The Battle of Scandinavia Ep4 World War II
@FinJebu sama asia -.-
MrWattu 8 months ago
@MrWattu More shame on you then for not knowing that Finland is not a part of Scandinavia. You don't have to believe me, just do a little research so you will be better informed. Just Google the word "Scandinavia".
JDSFLA 8 months ago
@JDSFLA LOL wiki confroms that Finland is part of Skandinavia. you just dont get it. and in pictures 99% have Finland on them. and i founded that web have mixed views but if you ask Finnish person that is Finland part of Skandinavia. they will say yes. and just out of curiosoty how have you learnd that Finland istn part of Skandinavia???
MrWattu 8 months ago
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IcyViking 7 months ago
@MrWattu Yes and no that Finland is a part of scandinavia. Reason why Finland can be counted as a part of scandinavia is because Finland was ones under Swedish rule, and do share culture and history with the other scandinavian countries. But the other reason why some people dont count Finland to scandinavia is because the language is not related to other germanic languages ( there are some words that are similar) and for the most part Finns dont share the same genetics .
IcyViking 7 months ago
@IcyViking FINALY you understand.
MrWattu 7 months ago
@MrWattu im not JDSFLA messege was seppost to get sent to him, my mistake :P
IcyViking 7 months ago
@IcyViking no problemo my swedish friend.
MrWattu 7 months ago
@MrWattu Friend yes, but im originally Finnish from wat i know but im born and live in sweden. But i can see the diffrence in wat belongs to scandinavia.
IcyViking 7 months ago
@IcyViking so you have the superior Finnish blood??? just kinding
MrWattu 7 months ago
@MrWattu hehe dont know about superior,but the way i see it we are all equals friend.
IcyViking 7 months ago
@IcyViking i agree i have some asshole frieds that talk about shit from swedish people but i think that we are equals :3
MrWattu 7 months ago
@JDSFLA well, did the Panther existed in 1943 on the Finish side? didn't knew that...
ThugCologne 8 months ago
@JDSFLA maybe you better watch the whole documentary next time ,before expressing any statements ;)
hedlik 7 months ago
@JDSFLA
How about you look at the rest of the parts to figure out why. And culturally Finland belongs to Scandinavia although we should replace Scandinavia with Fennoscandia imho.
omegavalerius 3 months ago
@JDSFLA Denmark is not part of the Scandinavian peninsula while Finland & Sweden are part of the Fenno-Scandic Shield geological formation. Parts of Finland were ruled by Sweden for longer than southern Sweden has been part of Sweden; it had been part of Denmark. Swedish is spoken in parts of Finland & is one of the two official languages. The Finnish legal system is Scandinavian at its base. The Finnish language is Finno-Ugric,but has like Swedish & English an Indo-European verb system.
poomarkku 2 months ago
To the uploader please can you re upload part 1 and part 5 in particular !! Thanks.
Thegrey12 1 year ago
bloody hell the fins were very fuckin determined
LlamasOnAcid 1 year ago
when i watch this it feels like the casulty rate of this war was like a 100 to 1 but when i read about it i was only 5 to 1 so i feel this film paint's a unfair picure of the war. even so i'm not saying finish troops and generals didn't prove to be amongest the best in the world.
dunderklumpen13 1 year ago
@dunderklumpen13 Under these circumstances a casualty rate of 5 to 1 is still enormous. The soviet losses in the winter war is under all circumstances shocking.
MrMugg 1 year ago
@MrMugg yea i agree to that, still i think this clip exaggerates the numbers=P
dunderklumpen13 1 year ago
Big time respect for the Finns.Why fuck with them when you can get bit.They don`t bother anyone.They don`t need anyone to take them over.They do just fine without outside influence or dominence.
openedup09 1 year ago
07:01 its general haglund, i was the swedish forces who kicked the russian asses there
MultiMarcus99 1 year ago
support to the finns!
BERNTRR 1 year ago 2
Russians had weird tactic. They just rushed and they had to stand up and un like hell. If they backed up, they were shotted by some friendly at the back.
syssi1 1 year ago
0:54
Panther tank, first appeared in 1943
Picard578 1 year ago
@Picard578 yes, and whos not winterwar.
there is allways some mistake pictures whit these documents
leksss4 1 year ago
The way things are going in the here and now, we can do it again! I am talking about the middle east we should pull out and let them come to us and let the cold do its work! I would love to see the Saudis and Egyptians take on a Scandinavian country in our own back yard fuck going over there to fight!
Eggomania86 1 year ago
@Eggomania86 They dont want to come to us.
The middle easts are plains of murder not war. All there is are scattered talibans attacking in suicide bombings. The only army is the one of UN and US.
ArantirSH 1 year ago
da fins done very well against the commies
bolocrumlin08 1 year ago
05:37 Andrey Wlasow!
mann1290 1 year ago
The molotov cocktails first use aganist tanks was by the spanish foreign legion in the spanish civil war.
bliree 1 year ago
@bliree Yes, but the name was set on the winter war.
SuperFinnish 1 year ago
00:54 haha Panther
Scatmanfi 1 year ago
Do you want cocktail, Mr Molotov. :)
Isanmaantoivo100 1 year ago 2
Finland is an amazing country, I wish i were finish :P
But this video isn't telling all the facts.. Thousands of Norwegian died in this war (for finland) aswell.. My granddad died in this war, fighting for his neighbor country, would have been good if atleast the Norwegian troops in finland were mention..
TWcrew1 1 year ago 4
@TWcrew1 I'm sorry, but how could thousands of Norwegians have died in the Winter War when there weren't even a thousand Norwegian volunteers fighting?
darkmage7280 1 year ago
@darkmage7280 il promise you there where thousands of swedish danish and norwegian volunteers in finland im norwegian and if you have seen the movie max manus a true story about one of the norwegian finland veterans resistance in ww2 norway sry but then theyr wrong :)
BERNTRR 1 year ago
@BERNTRR There were 10,000 Swedish volunteers and 700 Norwegian volunteers fighting in the Winter War. My profound gratitude and respect forthem, but there simply weren't thousands of Norwegians.
darkmage7280 1 year ago
These Fins are pretty bright!! Well done!
dtt1900 1 year ago 3
Soviet general was a fool. He should have had called off atack just like Mannerheim.
And you have no right for inmature comments, despite some what failed soviet campaign
D3adtrap 1 year ago
Tactis is far more inportent then numbers.
MultiMarcus99 1 year ago
@MultiMarcus99
But russia won in the end, so mieh
userstupidname 1 year ago
@userstupidname bullshit my friend, Russia made peace (they didnt won, but peace by their demands) only because of affraid of western countries (UK, France) would had helped us, then when really needed help from everybody you should had brought that to us (part of my family moved to US 16th century, so mean us too). If nazis (stupid thought) would helped friends (Hungary and so) to get help through think we could had quite many div more and things maybe had been quite different Fuck politics !
hopsista321 1 year ago
@userstupidname
No they didn't. They didn't captured Finland what was reason for that war. In continuation of war we did can kick russians ass really good but when they seem that Finland is winning they did made piece with their rules =(
7DOGI7 1 year ago
Go Fins!
texmire 1 year ago
i'm proud my homeland because finland kicked ruskies butt! (i'm finnish) >:)
UrM0M13 1 year ago
@UrM0M13 you should be, and you saved Swedens ass aswell, probably Norway to. Norway could have been able to do the same against the Germans, but to many of our leaders were pro german.
PrakkaRecords 1 year ago
@PrakkaRecords yeh!
perfectg0d 1 year ago
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MultiMarcus99 1 year ago
542 Kill Death Ratio... nice...
ztejas13 1 year ago
UP FINLAND THEY SHOWED SOME SISU
liklik4 1 year ago
0:53 lol a Panther Tank
LiviuFloreaRo 2 years ago 3
sounds like it´s JR 61 that´s doing all the attacks in this video, could it be Järv and Haglund ?
boaura 2 years ago
Is there any significance to why the Finish uniform is similar to the German Uniform? Or is it just me? 5:12
supermoto804 2 years ago
@supermoto804 Not really. Finland bought supplies where it could get them and used old ones (helmets as a good example, you can see all kind of models). Only 1/3 had a uniform ready but all got snow camouflages. Lack of all war material (ammunition, tanks, planes) forced Finns to use all imagination to hold on in the Winter War.
no16na39 2 years ago
Actually the German influence on Finnish uniform is quite big. Large part of highest Finnish officers being German-trained Jaegers, German-style design was quite natural to adopt in 1920's.
Molokku 2 years ago
@supermoto804 No actally Finland got many uniforms germany so they desinged own.They pretty much fought in german uniforms
WELOVETOFTING 1 year ago
Village Summassa oli varmaan tosi kovia katuja.
pyllywaltteri 2 years ago
yeah, because soviet conscripts are CLEARLY dedicated political officers and evil facists.
gorgoroth 2 years ago
paavo talvela and hjalmar siilasvuo = real tuff guys.of course a regular finn was necessity.
zippinen 2 years ago
Aika kovia jätkiä kun istuvat käskemässä miehiä tee-kuppi kädessä. Ne mitään kovia, ne suunnitteli hyökkäykset.
Qlasettaja 2 years ago
is this war the war where simo hahya served?
johnnyblazze911 2 years ago
@ johnnyblazze911
Yes. Simo Häyhä served on the winter war (1939-1940)
sijii13 2 years ago
sijii13...And Quite well...He sent 542 Russians to their graves.
Uwiluz60 2 years ago
Uh, more than that bro. He got another 250 kills with his SMG sidearm, and the Fins lost counter for how many he killed with his sniper. Many believe he killed well over 900 Russians.
Korther 2 years ago
Has Russia ever won a war? the russian cold weather won all their wars.
all they seem to be good at is mafias, drug running and forced prostitution,what else ?
FACTUNTHJU 2 years ago
quisling was not the defence minister of norway, he was some random leader of a pro-nazi party called "nasjonal samling", a bunch of traitors, anyway, there was a huge difference between norway and finland during that time, i must admit that the norwegians didn't fight as well as they could, but our goverment didn't pay attention to the military of norway, the finnish goverment did. And we faced Germany, wich was far more superior than russia at that time. anyways, the fins did a great job;)
skratina 2 years ago
I cant imagine seeing armed Finnish troops leaping from roofs and landing on tanks, then firing there SMGs into the vison slits. Thats truely amazing.
32silvercoins 2 years ago 9
finland kicked some srious ass ... oh man !
orrestrnden 2 years ago 51
Very amazing how a determined people against such great odds could overcome a bully nation. In the end Finland survived.
HoustonGD 2 years ago 51
@HoustonGD yeh swedish supplys finnish -swedish solders and the rest fi nnish
MultiMarcus99 1 year ago
@HoustonGD It was actually a great achievment by the russians which hitler and the allies failed to notice, much to thier folly in years to come.
jrobertsoneff 1 year ago
@HoustonGD
I'd say its amazing how incompetent the Soviets were more than anything else. What did determination earn Greece, or Yugoslavia, or Poland? It is a matter of military tactics.
Lanparth 1 year ago
@HoustonGD
Please can you re upload (5/10) Battlefield II The Battle of Scandinavia Ep4 World War II . Somebody has blocked that video.
Thegrey12 1 year ago
@HoustonGD And please could re upload (1/10) Battlefield II The Battle of Scandinavia Ep4 World War II .
Thegrey12 1 year ago
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@HoustonGD To the uploader please can you re upload part 1 and part 5 in particular !! Thanks.
Thegrey12 1 year ago
@HoustonGD To the uploader please can you re upload part 1 and part 5 in particular !! Thanks.
Thegrey12 1 year ago 2
@HoustonGD PLease can you upload the missing parts 1 and in particular part 5 for Battlefield II The Battle of Scandinavia Ep4 World War II series.
Thegrey12 1 year ago
@orrestrnden Thanks from Finland great Norwegian friends!!
hopsista321 1 year ago 2
@orrestrnden finland kicked soviets ass,but soviets just had too many asses
darnjack0roll 9 months ago
@orrestrnden Well, it certainly helps when the other side wipes out most of its officer corps before invading you. ;)
tjhoenecke 9 months ago
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Finland dosent belong to scandinavia.
Its Norway ,Sweden and denmark.
IllusionPwnage 2 years ago
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The Norwegian cities of Bergen, Stavanger, Egersund, Kristiansand S, Arendal, Horten, Trondheim and Narvik were all attacked and captured within 24 hours. Norways Defense Minister Vidkun Quisling announced the secession of hostilities against the Germans immediately and launched a coup d etat. Most Norwegian forces fought. King King Haakon VII escaped to the North.
i live Finlandia and i dont need "scandinavia"
virtonline 2 years ago
Depends whether you want to define Scandinavia geographically or culturally/politically
Hairysteed 2 years ago
No, no, Scandinavia is Scandinavia either way! The Nordic countries includes Finland and Iceland as well as Scandinavia.
tengil12 2 years ago
what would you choose alliance with the axis or your people being slaves to the soviets ? finland made the right decision .
NarowAR07 2 years ago 62
@NarowAR07 They picked neither.
anttonoo 1 year ago
@anttonoo they did join force with axis for suplies :)
NarowAR07 1 year ago
@NarowAR07 I dont really belive that as Germany and Russia were good friends during that time.
anttonoo 1 year ago
@anttonoo look it up =)
NarowAR07 1 year ago
@anttonoo they were
Picard578 1 year ago
@NarowAR07 If our friends the nazis would have won we wouldn't have been much more free, Finns were just good enough to be _servants_ of the supposed Aryan folk... Fortunately neither power won properly, at least in Finland :) We kept our independence except for some tiny weeny finlandization.
Salmasaluki 1 year ago
@Salmasaluki O RLY? SS Division Wiking? No Finns there? Hm? No?
mann1290 1 year ago
@NarowAR07 ootko suomalaine? tiesiks et suomella( niinku siis valtiol) ei ollu mitään kunno liitto saksan kaa, suome presidentti lupas et nii kauan ku se on johdossa nii se taistelee ryssää vastaa, sit 44 se luopu siitä
m4ht1sonni 1 year ago
@NarowAR07 My answer to that would have to depend on the extent of collaboration with the Nazis, particularly regarding the Final Solution, etc.
tjhoenecke 9 months ago
@tjhoenecke well as ive understood it the finns deal with the germans was brothers in war type of thing they got guns and other supplies for holding the line against soviet
NarowAR07 9 months ago
@tjhoenecke you are american right ? trust me little finland would be long gone now without help from germany and sweden :/
NarowAR07 9 months ago
@NarowAR07 My nationality is irrelevant, except perhaps to a racist. My point was, my answer would depend on how much allying with the Nazis meant complying with their agenda. Is it worth it to save your country if you have to sell your soul to do it? Wasn't the SS Viking Division raised, at least in part, from Finland? How many innocent Jew, baptist, gypsy, gay, and non-Aryans lives are worth it to save one's own skin?
tjhoenecke 9 months ago
@tjhoenecke finland never handed over any jews the rest i dont know but swedish finns norweigians and germans gave their lives to prevent finland from being occupied by the soviets and for what ? to become as mixed as america dude you will never understand what its like to live with your own people becouse you dont have any. however dont take it personal since you can allways make people yours right conversation over you will not understand.
NarowAR07 9 months ago
@NarowAR07 As I said before, an irrelevant argument, except to a racist. My previous questions still stand. Finalnd made a choice between two evils, but you seem to say that that's okay, because it preserved your race. All I know is that sort of racist thinking is what gave us both world wars. I can understand making the argument for taking one side or the other (Nazi vs. Communist), but please don't try to make it sound like the ultimate act of nobility.
tjhoenecke 9 months ago
@tjhoenecke oh no you missunderstood me completely! finland just did what was best in their situation good or bad doesn't matter besides every country has bad politicans cant judge the whole population from it.
NarowAR07 9 months ago
@tjhoenecke SS Wiking was a division formed from volunteers and there was volunteers from all over the Scandinavia also. Look from wikipedia. So its not selling the country if less than 500 Finns take part in that division. As you have seen this video series you should know that it was evitable to ally with Germany so we could hold our independence. And complying to agenda... well everyone can say that but not feel the same way you know? OFC there was Finnish nazis.
Haukimosa 9 months ago
we were only interested in keeping our independence
doippa123 2 years ago 9
wow it's incredible that we were never taught anything about the winter war in school it seems the exploits of the finns should be something of legend, and that this is a very important piece of WWII history should be taught as well.
soulesslemming 2 years ago 9
Finland pretty much didn't exist until college. lol
2bn442RCT 2 years ago 2
True, we were. But why were we? Because the West had abonded us. To the Allied we were nothing more but a new region of the USSR now.
:# We have nothing to apologize for or thank for from the West. We were betrayed and forced to go with a lesser evil, Hitler. We were told to give into Russian demands and befriend them. And when we finally did we were cast down as ass-licking communists. It's the same today. Would Russia attack, no country would make any military action against Russia.
setakakki 2 years ago 10
They might say "bad words" but unless it was WW3. No one would do anything. We would propably get material support but still. But if Sweden or Norwat happened to be attacked, the whole of Europe would be on Russias troath. Today, we are still in Russias frontline and it's "property"
setakakki 2 years ago 2
@setakakki Hitler wasn't such a lesser evil for us, don't be anachronistic. Finland was leaning heavily towards Germany during whole 30's, and the relations to nazis were warm on political levels. People of the time didn't see Hitler or nazis as we do, they saw powerful friends with similar right-wing politics (by this I mean the old "whites" of the civil war). Nothing surprising there.
Salmasaluki 1 year ago
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The axis was fighting to stop bolshevism and save western Europe.
CMMY81 2 years ago
They kicked the shit outta them commies! Hats off to the brave Finns!!
CMMY81 2 years ago 63
its always happy to know what happen to great soldiers such as Simo Häyhä after the war. he lived in a small village after the war and was a moose hunter. its amazing.
AznGunzPlaya 2 years ago 3
Simo Häyhä one of the most formidable soldiers every propably .. a true finnish hero who shoot a lot of commies !! Hammerheim also is a big hero..
hunt801 2 years ago 3
its Mannerheim
doippa123 2 years ago