Elizabeth I & Mary Queen of Scots - 5/6

[Vitaluv]

Mary got a bad rap. She just wan't fit to be a queen, but she was a pawn on both sides. And that's not really fair. Elizabeth was intelligent and a good politician, because she was selfish and only thought of her best interests. But i wish people would stop making it seem as if she were perfect. She did what she had to do to survive but she was not all of that. She was a survivor and the world is full of survivors who aren't evil.

[frickadele]

Tortured and confessed?

The rich are dog shit. Sick, cowardly, inbreded, dog shit.

If there is a hell...these dog shits will surely be there.

If there isn't?.....boy....were the masses schmucked!

[lynchie3000]

@BlueUmbrellaGirl Shut up. This is history. Don't like it, go watch something else.

[BlueUmbrellaGirl]

@lynchie3000 i KNOW. i like it (i won't be watching otherwise), but that's something i want to point out. its history, but real people too. i don't think you'd like someone describing your execution like that

[calihartley2010]

@BlueUmbrellaGirl That is all part of the documentary. Stop whinning.

[happybkwrm]

Like Marie Antoinette, Mary had a certain bravery in the face of danger; she and MA would have been better off to simply AVOID it. Neither of them had any common sense.

[72Yonatan]

@opsan50

Mary was a tragic figure, whose only sin was pride, in that she could not sign the Treaty of Edinburgh. Her trial was a mock trial, much as was the trial of her second husband's murderer.  She had no ability to properly assess the motives of others. The men in her life were treacherous and self-serving. Elizabeth was cruel, with a heart of stone.

[happybkwrm]

@72Yonatan Elizabeth was practical. She had to be. Actually, she was practically the only person who didn't jump on the "Mary murdered Darnley!" bandwagon the instant Darnley died. She gave Mary advice on how to behave; had she the sense to take it. But Mary instead fell into Bothwell's arms and ended up with a destroyed reputation. Let's not forget, Mary came to Scotland with the reputation of a virtuous widow; only a few years later, the people considered her an adulterous murderer.

[PoliticalPars]

@72Yonatan I believe history is at odds with your assessment of Elizabeth and her decision regarding her cousin.

[kendahke]

@72Yonatan Elizabeth had a life time of knowing how to preserve her life and to that end, she was not cruel. Self survival is the strongest drive in the human being. The only thing she required of Mary was to sit tight until she died and all of it would have been Mary's. Mary's spoiled nature and her inability to be patient is what cost her her life. "Si nous attendons, nous aurons beaucoup plus" would have been something she'd have been well advised to do.

[yoize]

She took the "high road" at the end of her life and emphasized thefact that she was a baptized Catholic, saying her prayers and such, but she didn't live her life that way at all. She conspired, lied and cheated. She offended the Catholic religion and her God. She brought her own death down upon herself and she could have lived her life honorably, but she chose not to. She really is a figure of tragedy, a historical figure bent on self-destruction.

[yoize]

Mary Queen of Scots seemed like a person with horrible judgment, who really lacked morals. She wasn't cut out for ruling, and thats an understatement. She couldn't even begin to match wits with a ruler who possessed the intellect and training of Elizabeth I. As an aside, I'm Catholic, and as far as I know, we don't revere Mary Queen of Scots as a saint or martyr! She was a liar and unhonorable woman who happened to be Catholic. She didn't die for her religion!

[72Yonatan]

@yoize

Well such respect you have for her! She also did not kill others for her religion, and I suppose that is also a fault by you. Bosley was a wicked man and she was his target. If only she had had better sense, then she would have run away from his clutches, not right into them. Elizabeth had her killed because she was a liability in political terms, and it was a heartless and calculating decision which shows why England was better off without Tudors. I am happy Elizabeth had no heirs.

[happybkwrm]

@72Yonatan Elizabeth had her executed because Mary tried to kill her and take over the English Throne. How many people died for Mary Stuart?

[calihartley2010]

@72Yonatan James 1 was a Tudor Descendant through Mary, and from him all the royal houses of Europe and including the royal family have Tudor blood.

[donnylovesayesha1]

i think it's mean of today's England to say that Elizabeth I was scared to be seen by the world as a murderer and having blood on her hands maybe the reason Elizabeth I didn't want to sign the warrant and have her cousin killed is because of plain old fashioned morals compassion honor and decency but of course England would want to paint her as a heartless woman who's only reason for not killing someone is a selfish one

[RosalieHale101]

@donnylovesayesha1 Thank YOU!!!!!

[RogieVixen]

"... As if the Queen of the Scots had somehow been an ungrateful house guest who'd made off with the towels." LOL! He does come out with them.

[krissymissy12]

wow did that guy call mary a whore???

[krissymissy12]

@opsan50 yeah right

[lamenzies]

Many thanks for uploading!

I always wondered why she was never given the courtesy of execution by sword, rather than axe.

[spiegelhaus]

@Sztriki86 or if she hadn't fallen for hepburn.

[angelosmalos4]

at 6:50 song is beutifula nd sad

[lostpinguin]

what a terrible life for marry, i can not imagine, even in her execution she suffered and even after with her head rolling and no wig-thats terrible.

[calihartley2010]

@lostpinguin she did not feel the wig tearing off and her head rolling. She was dead.

[brierley2190]

Magna Britannia, i love it.

[JuliaDrusilla8]

Three strokes! My god! How horrible! I read that Marie had said, "Oh Jesus!" on the second stroke. I also read that the executioner was a mere boy of 15, who had barely been trained to execute people, let alone so called "traitors." Do you think Walsingham ordered Queen Marie Stewart's execution to be botched to make an example of her, although Queen Elizabeth was conflicted. I love history, even the history that scholars refuse to teach.

[frangapanian]

No, I don't think Walsingham had that kind of blotchy execution planned. It was all a mistake...the executioner was simply trembling because a)Mary was so calm and b)He was so scared

[InnateNobility]

Indeed. Cecil and Walsingham were determined to destroy Mary from the beginning, only Cecil was super paranoid about Mary being involved in a Catholic conspiracy to overthrow Elizabeth and bring the British Isles back to the Roman Catholic faith.

However, Mary wasn't involved in any Catholic conspiracies in France or during her reign in Scotland. King Henri II of France ordered her to bear England's royal arms on her standard. She was anxious over Elizabeth's response, and so Cecil blamed her.

[caithnesscath]

I beg to differ with your comment lovesmovies79.

Marie Stuart was a ruling Queen of France and was given instructions by her Guise relations from the day she was born. She became Queen of Scots from the age of four days and ruled Scotland as a religious moderate. As a youth she could speak six languages - no guidance ??? cc

[caithnesscath]

I'm with you bluekittySC.

Marie Stuart was imprisoned by Elizabeth for almost twenty years - half of her life !!. She arrived in England to gain help from Elizabeth - Elizabeth gave her none - a typical Tudor! - what a blight on English history - she even joked about Marie's death and was only jolted into so-called 'grief' because she feared reprisals against herself. cc

[happybkwrm]

@caithnesscath Why should Elizabeth have helped Mary? Mary had already tried to lay claim to the throne of England when Mary Tudor died. She'd also managed to get herself kicked out of Scotland - remember, the Scots were pretty much baying for her blood by the time she FLED to England. No one wanted Mary Stuart - except a few English Catholic nobles who saw her as the perfect puppet.

[kendahke]

@happybkwrm Exactly... and not even the pope or her brother-in-law, Charles X and his mother wanted to lift a finger to help her because of her marriage to Bothwell in the wake of Darnley's murder. THAT is what cost her her Scottish throne and placed her bastard step brother in charge of her baby son. She made a severely bad error in calculation in thinking that English Catholics would rise up in the numbers required to put her on the throne.

[kendahke]

@kendahke Charles IX, not X.

[happybkwrm]

@kendahke Yep. The French and the Pope pretty much washed their hands of her after she not only ignored the cry to call someone to account for Darnly's murder, but married the prime suspect - a divorce Protestant. The woman could not have alienated more people if she tried.

The English Catholics didn't want HER on the throne; they wanted her as a puppet they could marry to a Catholic male who would rule. The sad fact is, even her allies never really cared about HER.

[StephanFitzgeraldTay]

@happybkwrm Everyone in Europe washed their hands with wanting to help her after Bothwell. Elizabeth even wrote her and pretty much said, "What in the HELL are you thinking?!?"

[happybkwrm]

@StephanFitzgeraldTay Yep. Elizabeth gave her good advice; but Mary wasn't capable of ruling without a man by her side. She was trained to be a consort, not a queen.

[bluekittySC]

Elizabeth was stupid to have Mary killed. She should have remembered when she was being held against her will by her sister Mary.

[frangapanian]

And that was actually one reason why Elizabeth dawdled with signing Mary's death warrant - she felt just a little bit compassionate because she herself had been in Mary's position. However, unlike the careless Mary, Elizabeth skillfully destroyed or strayed away from any evidence which would have led her sister Mary Tudor to have her executed,

Elizabeth truly had the brains for this kind of stuff. =]

[bluekittySC]

Yes, that's true, she was a great Lady and a great Queen. I fell sorry for Mary. Times seemed so harsh in those days. But then again, I suppose one had to be.

[GenaWindstarr]

I wonder why they axed her. She was a queen, a rightful queen by birth so why didnt they let her choose the sword instead of a big clumsy axe ?

[DuttyGyal718]

I guess it was kill or be killed in those dyas, Yikes!

[101smerfie]

i think deep down elizabeth diddn't want her cousin to die becuase she sried when her cousin was sent to death

[luvsmovies79]

foolish,foolish,foolish. there was in no way she was prepared for this. While Elizabeth learned about the minds of men & politicians the hard way, mary was clearly pampered up to the time she went back to Scotland. No proper guidance at all!

[infernalsounder]

Three Ravens version by John Harle, with singer Sarah Leonard.

[caithnesscath]

Elizabeth showed the full weakness of her character by wanting Paulet to secretly do away with Marie  - now that's the desperation of a 'silly' woman, sjfriend, who then grieved for her own wrongful actions - illegally committing Regicide toward Marie, her cousin.

[caithnesscath]

Marie Stuart's memory is alive and well - she was no 'silly woman' - who cares for that of Walsingham? Certainly not I ! Elizabeth didn't even like the character of the man ! -but she used his strengths in intrigue,coercions, deception & fraud to her horrible advantage.

[pancha1982]

Thanks for uploading this video. Just in case, the song is called The Three Ravens (at least I think it is)

[eman70]

Yes, but this is not the traditional tune!

[sjfriend]

silly woman!

[starrynightz]

Does anyone know the name of that song?

[pankybarbera91]

Thanks for uploading this :) I can't wait for the last one

[tjcadden]

wonderful history