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  • ahaha sweetttttttt

  • I'm Bob Hoover, and I approved this message.

  • Hi there. Just came across this videos. Best thing I ever saw. Earned a couple of those stripes myself throughout the years but still enjoy flight instructions in a `46 J3 on a 1000`grass strip most. Wish there were more of those videos instead discussions about differences whether this or that is a side, turn or whatever slip.

  • Still a hoot after the 4th viewing!!! Now, how about a video on those idiotic "teardop to enter the pattern" things?!

  • I can barely contain myself every time I look at the epaulettes! LOL

  • Hahahahahhahh Hilarious!!!

  • that is awesome.

    I completetly agree. Too many students get themselves into "tight" situations where they have no idea how to get themselves out because they have never flown closer than 1/2 a miles from the rwy.

  • RIGHT ON!

  • I teach people to fly a pattern so if they lose the engine they can make the runway. Sometimes people like longer finals if they're getting use to a new airplane, the tighten the pattern up after they get use to power settings and decent profiles. Flying a light trail dragger behind a C-152 who is making a jumbo jet patter is frustrating and unnecessary,

  • Oh okay, stay at least one mile out from airport and turn base correctly in time or get eaten by Godirra, got it... jesus, this is so much to take in...

  • This is great, thanks! I got a lot of grief when I went to ATP for my CFI, II, and MEI licenses. They did not like my patterns and wanted me to fly the 172 like a jet, coming in nice and low over the homes under final at VGT. I was taught the way in this video, and teach my students the same thing. Sure, you have power if need be, but you should be able to make power reductions only and stick your spot.

  • Love the stripes..

  • LOl funny, but true, I get told I fly my plane to tight, tuff I will fly what is a safe pattern for my aircraft. I have had a forced landing and was happy to have no worries about making the runway allowing me to clean things up and trouble shoot all from 900 feet on cross wind after take off.

  • 1:27 XD

  • I love this, i got trained by UND who teach us to fly 1/4 mile to 1/2 mile traffic patterns.

  • 10 captain stripes :D

  • I recognize that aerial view! I live near there!

  • My comment on this is that it depends on where you are and what type of aircraft the person is flying. Just use common sense, this often will help determine the outcome.

  • Nice video. I mainly like the changing stripes on your shoulders!

  • I love flying the supercub... I flew them on floats though

  • Thanks for this video. I learned in a J3, in 1956 off a 1000' pasture. That's what flying is all about!

  • I'm A CFI and I've been making this argument for ages! One day I was in the pattern with an ATP Seminole. My student and I lost sight ahead of them on upwind, so being a conservative guy I told him to wait a few seconds before turning crosswind just to be sure We were in a 172, so he should have been in the middle of his gumps check by then anyway, right?. Wrong! I get a huffy message from tower telling me I was cutting the guy off. He was on a 3 mile upwind! It's ridiculous, unsafe and annoying

  • @pirahna432 - I went to ATP for my CFI licenses. What a weird school.... They also fly the pattern at blueline, which is about as stupid as you can get.

  • Mostly it has to do with Traffic Patten Altitudes change , when I learned how to fly TPA was 800 agl on the down wind. We kept it pretty tight like you said. Things have gotten a little more muddled. Now its at least 1000 AGL for the down wind at least, Noise Problems. People build next to airports then they want you to stop flying. Most of the problem is with the Factory flight schools. I once had a kid tell me a 2500 foot runway was a short field. What are you going to do!

  • @BH206L3 Its so true...

  • I glide in with my schools super cub and 172. On the 14th the instructor said my downwind was "way to close to the runway" (I showed him!) Thats fine and dandy but trying it in grandpas Pa-24 well.. you try it. You'll learn what it is to "comanche dance" plus at 2348 TTSO I dont want to buy a new O-540 for him.. you'll just have to wait 10m for my comanche approaches.

    PS Instructors who want it "their way" all the time hinder experience more than large circuits =P

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  • 10 STRIPES!? That is one awesome pilot!!!

  • 3:55 "The Super Captain"

  • Lol!!!! Why in the world is he wear two sets of epaulets

  • I'm a student pilot with 10 hours, and so far, I more comfortable flying a broad pattern. Long finals give me more time to adjust the plane's descent, and Crosswinds won't push me to far into the runway. 

  • Love the stripes!!!!!!!!!! Bahahahahahhaahahahhahahaaaaa

    Chump Profile, soo true..

    Classic!

  • This video was freaking hilarious. I'll keep it tight next time around.

  • good!

  • You may be right, but if you're going to give crap, don't have a speech impediment.

  • This is a very common practice here in Daytona. I hope this video gets out there! Love all the stripes!!!

  • Great video! Now add a 20 knot crosswind and earn those extra stripes! Just kidding :)

  • Eggcellent nothing like putting a 10-20 hours in a J3 while your at it. Because it just comes Naturally and people get the picture much more clearly. Spoken by a J3 pilot to a J3 pilot.

  • Haha....I agree with the comments below: the stripes multiplying crack me up. Also, I teach my students to drink any water that comes from the aircraft sumps. It is very beneficial, in many ways. I don't know if it keeps their patterns any tighter, but still. Sump water: check it out.

  • the bars kept multiplying

  • so true I hate flight instructors that wear Bars...

  • Awesome...... 

  • You can never have enough stripes... Haha hilarious well done

  • hilarious 

  • I love slips, they are always fun

  • Bravo, teach those lacky know it all flight instructors something

  • LOL more strips!

  • Absolutely priceless.

  • 20 stripes lol

  • I don't know if it's a problem in the US but in the UK there seems to be a lot of people in the villages that surround airfields that take offense to aircraft noise. Local government wants to keep the voting public sweet and consequently forces airfield management to tell pilots to avoid areas X, Y and Z - thus screwing up our circuit patterns. The general aviation community has to bend over and take it so that our airfields don't get closed down and developed into housing estates.

  • @bravobravo74 it's all the same in France ... 

  • @bravobravo74 I fly at Netherthorpe EGNF which is the smallest runway in Britain, and as soon as I rotate at 60 knots I have to bank to avoid the local village. It's a total nuisance.

  • lol

    6 stripes^^

  • Both methods have their places in my opinion (whatever that is worth). You should be able to fly a tight pattern and by all means it is fun, but I don't like to fly like that with passengers. Just my take on it. I can hear the comments already "engine out" etc and I agree. Now that I think about it. You got me in the mood for some tight pattern work. :-) Great video. Thanks.

  • LOL love the double strips!

  • 10 stripes? what are you? the commander of the space shuttle?

  • Priceless ;-)

  • love the 10 bar eppaulettes :)

  • "Oft ignored" is correct and so is its use.

    This reminds me of a BFR I took while also training for sailplanes. I had just learned and gotten good at close in patterns and this CFII wanted me to "loosen them up." Okay, so I loosened them up and then went right back to tight patterns when he got out of the plane. I hope he sees this! They are a lot more fun and challenging.

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  • great advice - funny commentary - awesome stripes ; ))

  • What is said at 2:37... "If you use the ____ _____ 45 degree rule and turn base at or before that point..." It sounds like Oft Ignored, but I can't make it out and it is annoying me.

  • I need to wear a captain's uniform while flying my little plane....I'd look so much cooler.

  • Can I have some of your stripes?

  • TransPac and Westwind in Deer Valley, AZ are GUILTY of this too. 

  • ERAU PRESCOTT GUILTY OF THIS.

  • @A503B201 Erby Diddle

  • Go Paul.. I agree with you.. It drive me nuts following 5 mile finals.

  • Great video for a Wings Program seminar.

  • Nice! I'll be sure to tighten up my circuit pattern :D

  • Nicely done. Great video and a point I have been trying to make my entire flying career with my students. I fly big jet patterns when I fly big jets and little plane patterns when flying little planes.

  • hahahahaha just keep throwing the stripes on :P

  • yipppeee.. great to see that I'm not the only one who gets grumpy having to try and follow students/instructors doing HUGE circuits.. I've even been told by the local flight school that they do larger ccts, as the students need time to do their checks!!!! gonna be an interesting crash reprt "I couldn't make the feild cos I had to extend downwind in order to complete my checks, and crashed short of the runway"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!

  • yipppeee.. great to see that I'm not the only one who gets grumpy having to try and follow students/instructors doing HUGE circuits.. I've even been told by the local flight school that they do larger ccts, as the students need time to do their checks!!!! gonna be an interesting crash reprt "I couldn't make the feild cos I had to extend downwind in order to complete my checks, and crashed short of the runway"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!

  • This is a great example of good pattern training. I get annoyed following students on a 2 mile final! its true Its more challenging its more fun and more practice. I love making the pattern short and stopping in less than 500 ft. its a GREAT exercise. By the Way AVWEB GREAT VIDEO! GOOD HUMOR I loved it. I love the double tie and the super pilot stripes hahahaha! well done!

  • There is little knowledge transfered when 95% of students are being taught by last semesters graduates.

  • Awesome...great advice and funny... found it hilarious that he kept adding stripes to his shirt :)

  • True... so the pupil learns from the master... but what if the master has it all wrong to begin with?

  • Hit the nail on the head with this one! After watching "instructors" for years teach airliner size, cross country worthy patterns, I had to laugh watching this. Thanks for making and posting this!!!

  • Amen, Amen, I 'm so sick of students flying huge pattern you are training to be a pilot aren't you??

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  • So funny

  • Brilliant, funny and imformative. Ace!

  • Brilliant, funny and imformative. Ace!

  • AvWeb finally found their funny bone.

  • Usually large patterns are taught for Student Pilots at the beginning of their training to have more time to correct small mistakes. As the training progresses, tighter patterns with shorter finals are usually taught. Perhaps CFI's should focus on that more...

    Not to disagree with Tony, but flying too tight patterns have led to over runs at short and soft field airports due to energy problems on final approach. Don't forget to teach go-arounds!

  • A pilot who knows how to properly control his airspeed will never over shoot a short field no matter how tight a pattern is flown. Exactly why Paul made the video! I taught new pilots for years and never had to fly large patterns with my students to aid them. Now that I fly jets I still see the same pilots who could not fly a nice pattern in there Cessna 150 unable to do it in a jet. Bottom line, no crutches, learn how to fly right.

  • Ive been to that airport plenty of times, gets really busy.

  • haha he has 6 stripes what a joker.

  • Ahahaha...I love how Paul has more stripes every other minute!

  • I like my patterns like I like my women.

  • @Arbiter419 me too

  • now if you can just get a video on the phrase "any traffic in the area please advise"

  • now if you can just get a video on the phrase "any traffic in the area please advise"

  • I agree 100% but I would have added one other thing. The large pattern causes everyone else to log cross country time when doing pattern work. I can do 10 or more touch and gos per hour with small patterns but only 3 or 4 with the large pattern so your large pattern is costing me experience (and money).

    When I get behind someone doing large patterns I ask the tower if the traffic I am following is leaving the pattern, every time around. They don't seem to get the hint though.

  • nice one, there's more wrong in huge patterns, if your engine quits that far away, you are never gonna make it, nice video and a nice awakening for some CFI's

  • Too funny, but somewhat too true!

  • Alright, the British female needs to report to Boeing to be the official wake-you-up-from-your-laptop-i­nduced-slumber voice in all future "real" transport-category aircraft. Yowza.

    Big patterns mate well with little skills. The greater our skill-level, the smaller our patterns get. A really old head (traffic permitting) measures his/her patterns in yards.

  • Wish you'd made that 34-second segment a bit longer (boost the "what you should do" content versus the "what you shouldn't do"), but this was still a very enjoyable video with a good message.

  • brilliant! our local aerodrome circuits are getting like he mentioned. not just instructors, students and qualified pilots just getting carried away. Finally someone said it!

  • Awesome!... Love the stripes... how they just keep adding! ROFL too!

  • Classic!  Well done Paul and AvWeb!

  • ROFLL... That is Rolling On Flightline Laughing

  • ROFLL... That is Rolling On Flightline Laughing

  • ROFLL... That is Rolling On Flightline Laughing

  • Hahaha Brilliant!

  • Best AVweb video - EVAR

  • Paul's best video to date!!!!!

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  • I love the 3 sets of epaulettes on each shoulder!

  • I love the 3 sets of epaulettes on each shoulder!

  • HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA... awesome!!! =)

    Never thought to seeing this mister doing some humor =)

  • nice video! funny!

  • Great vid :)

  • In these days of stuffy legal requirements and regulations, it's nice to see humor applied to aviation in a good way.  Nicely done AvWeb!

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  • Finals????? Bust that man a bar.......xxx

  • Outstanding Paul!

  • GREAT video Paul

  • GREAT video Paul

  • Well.. this is the exact opposite of what my instructor has been teaching me. Guess I'll have to show him how it's done next time.

  • Well.. this is the exact opposite of what my instructor has been teaching me. Guess I'll have to show him how it's done next time.

  • Well.. this is the exact opposite of what my instructor has been teaching me. Guess I'll have to show him how it's done next time.

  • hello A OK keep tem coming,excellent

  • The strips was so funny, keept increasing :), but what was this about, I saw most of the instructor flying around 1 to 1.2nm, is it true that people fly larger pattern on single?

  • Great video! Guess those flight instructors teaching large patterns are already thinking they're flying the big iron.

  • Great video. I mostly agree with it. I fly out of a busy class C airport and about 50 percent of the time I am asked to extend my downwind in order to space myself behind a 737. Because of this it is good to know how to adjust your approach for the long final.

    With that being said, fantastic video. :)

  • Paul's videos just keep getting better and better. I love the "dammit" at 1:26.

  • It frustrates me beyond belief when I see other instructors teaching super-long final approaches.  There is generally no need for these cross-country circuits (unless there are a ton of aircraft on final ahead of you, and ATC says to keep going), so why do some instructors teach this? Grrr...

  • This Video I great!

  • how true and shows the quality of CFI's. i hope... delta conection,air america,epic,riddle,ATC, to name a few may review there training procedures. another good video would be how novel it would be to look out the window on occaision.

  • So funny, but so true

  • Same thing with certain flight schools in San Antonio. I was up one day with another Cessna in the pattern, tower sent us to opposite downwinds for spacing. I got in two touch and goes in the time it took the other kid to get one. I had to fight the urge to ask him to keep his patterns in the same county. Awesome vid!

  • lol I love how Paul has more stripes at the end.

    Paul your right on. I like to keep it tight all the way around the pattern and all the schools at DVT seem to teach this big pattern your talking about.

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  • More of those please!!!

  • Wahahahahahaha!

  • Wahahahahahaha!

  • Yep well and true, I agree with this stance in the pattern. Save big ones for the great big heavies.

  • thats funny

  • Great Vid, the first one I liked enough to rate

  • Great humor!!

  • this was really funny. 5 stars. oh wait, what is with this youtube layout?

  • @chestateegold I know right?!

  • lol "if you are bob hoover"

  • ahah amaazingg

  • Love the attitude, Paul! Why didn't you sign off with your signature phrase "I'm just sayin'..."?

  • I love flying short approaches. A lot more fun! Especially in a Long EZ.

  • lol i've flown to this airport before. real nice seafood place there