well dsglop has mentioned something that i to might belive is possible, that bush and co knew there was going to be a attack and usd it to their advantage. That might be a reason for the drills the same thay
well i might agree that there are one or two strange issues about 9\11, like the very poor investigation etc, but that does not meen there is a new world order, thats just bullshit. I realy hope you nwo folks does not grow, i belive you would be dangerous to the world. Any dude beliving in Alex J is a fanatic.
The attacks were carefully planned to coordinate with the cosmos. It's an occult thing. Learn the method behind this madness - watch "Esoteric Agenda".
Nano-thermites are explosives due to the rapid gas generation from the organic matrix. If you disagree you'll need to submit a paper that refutes the NIST scientists that pioneered nano-thermites.
Wrong. Barrium Nitrate, and Aluminum Oxide, are the 2 key ingredients! You like to refer to whatever a "truther" site's say evdentally! Steven Jones himself admitted that these NECESSARY ingredients were missing from the dust samples! Get a new fantasy!
To be nano-thermite the particles must be nano-sized and the material must have a highly exothermic reaction after ignition. Harrit's paper then clearly shows the chips are nano-thermite.
"Barrium Nitrate, and Aluminum Oxide, are the 2 key ingredients!"
Then it should be easy for you to provide proper citations, otherwise stfu.
And by the way I have shown you a direct quote form the paper in question while all you have done is parrot debunker talking points.
You have yet to provide any evidence of anything! You haven't answered the question either! Harrit himself stated that NANO-THERMITE, was only in it's research phase at the time of 9/11! Which is true!
Explosive, sol-gel nano-thermites were developed by US government scientists, at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories (LLNL) (Tillitson et al 1998, Gash et al 2000).
You see, I provide citations. I am still wait ing for yours or else you can never bring up bring up barium, Aluminum oxide and that "chemical elements of thermite, are common to construction materials!" but they were not found in the red/gray chips. You can't have it both ways, dipshit.
Prove Me wrong, that the chemical elements of thermite ARE NOT found in construction materials! And still, You haven't answered the question: What brought down building 7, if NOT fire?...LOL!!!
Sulfur, was also a large element in the construcrtion of those buildings: Chiefly, it was used most extstensively in drywall! Which therewas plenty of, in those buildings!
Yes, but wallboard has calcium in it as well. And the sulfur and calcium are very tightly bound together into calcium sulfate. In order to cause the intergranular melting seen in the steel from WTC 7, it would have to be pure elemental sulfur. Fact is, they found sulfidation (sulfur in the steel) but no calcium, so it could not have been from the drywall.
The drywall is only part of the equation: there is potassium in concrete. There is another chemical in refrigerant [I forget which it is] which is elemental to thermite. Then there is Iron in electronics, and supposedly cermamics, the list goes on and on!
Yes, but you have yet to explain what could chemically fuse all these elements together. Could fire or a building collapse chemically fuse these elements like that? Something only a handful of science organizations can do?
Better yet: Prove to Me, [beyond a shadow of a doubt] that the iron shpherules were a direct result of the events of that day, and NOT from the torches used to cut down the beams during clean-up, or welding irons used during construction!
I will be happy to prove it. I can prove that the spheres did not come from cutting torches or welding irons. The RJ Lee report shows that a WTC dust sample acquired at 130 Liberty Street shows a mean of composition of Fe
spheres of 5.87% which is very high compared with Fe spheres found in ordinary building dust of only
0.04%. Basically what the report is saying is that the WTC dust in this sample has nearly 150 times (5.87/0.04) the amount of iron-rich spheres as ordinary dust.
There is NO way to prove, that the spherules DIDN'T come from cutting torches! This is the point! Or that they came from welding activities! And best of all: You missed the point entirely! Prove when they were formed! Before collpase, after, or duiring clean up? The concentration, was at around 0.03% to something like 0.13% concentration! Not to Mention: What about the fact, that thermite could've, and very probably was used in certain scvenarios during clean-up! There is NO WAY to rule that out
Even if it were true [about the 150 times concentration] it can't be ruled out, that welding, and after the collpases [during the clean-up] cutting torches were used! This would be ample enough to produce the shpres! Let's talk about the fact that they used sea-water form nearby, as their prime source of water! [to fight the fires] Salt water, evidentally contains sulfur, as does the diesel fuel that fuelled the back-up genereators!
Anyone who asks somebody to prove something to them "without a shadow of a doubt" is basically saying they'll never accept any evidence contrary to their view no matter what it says and uses that request as an excuse to hide and saves the ego from being bruised when shown info that could change their world view.
I read through the comments, they both provided sources which were scientific experiments. You seem to not have read them. When asked to back up the things you say however, you turn it round and ask for more proof "beyond a shadow of a doubt". This is an indication that you're scared of being wrong and don't really know what you're talking about. You seem to only spout debunker talking points, as they have pointed out.
Oh! So you want to "profile" me?...LOL!!! I've already researched thermite, a long trime ago! Truther sites being cited, and quoted is nothing new to Me! If an idiot wants to make the absurd claim that there was thermite, he/she is more than welcome to do so! Also: if You read MY comments [since I know You obviously haven't] You would see that thermite is SUPPOSED to be at a consstruction site anyways! There can't NOT BE THERMITE! Prove that wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt!
The onus is on you, for it is you that is making this statement. I, on the other hand, am providing you with proper citations and I am referencing a peer reviewed paper-- what are you referencing? Do you know what peer reviewed means?
You're "LOL" shows you to be uneasy and desperate. I am still waiting for that "barium" document. Man up or admit you are wrong.
You man up, and show Me where I'm wrong! You can't do it! Peer reviewed by who?... Oh yeah David Ray Griffin, or Steven Jones?... Just answer the question!
I stated: that at the time of 9/11, NANO-THERMITE was only in it's research phase, a quote I heard from Neils Harrit himself! You [in turn] basically post it again for Me!
It was peer-reviewed by the "Open Chemical Physics Journal". Didn't you read that paper?
I challenged you to provide one scientific source that says barium is the main component of thermite. Again, if you had read the paper, there are many variations of chemicals that can be added to thermitic mixtures for a variety of uses. Several of these chemicals, including barium, were found.
Sorry, FAIL again. = You have proven yourself to be a fraud.
So: No explanation as to what brought down building 7?...And because there are these "variations" then one can't conclusively point to thermite! Case closed!
Don't get so frustrated with this guy prim. I'm dealing with him too and he's a real piece of work. He's says right on his page that he thinks truthers are "a bunch of fags and whores." All you have to do to prove him wrong is go to this link:
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Let's see here: You implied NANO-THERMITE, then debunked it, by proving My point about it being only in it's research phase, then went on to say that thermite has variations, and still are unable to disprove that the chemical elements of thermite, are common in construction meterials! You simply don't have a case!
Great, you concede barium debunking, let's move on.
I am not implying nano-thermite, what I am doing is referencing a document that was peer-reviewed (have you googled it yet?) by the Open Chemical Physics Journal. The document clearly shows that the structure and mixing is the same as nano-thermite, also it ignites at the same temperatures, the reaction produces iron rich microspheres, and the chips release more energy than the theoretical maximum of thermite, all the same as nano-thermite.
Fail again, with no sources to back up your claims, tsk, tsk, you make "debunkers" look bad. Admit that you know shit when it comes to thermite which is why you regurgitate debunker talking points without doing your own research. Again, the onus is on you-- you made the statement, remember?
Though you're good at debunking yourself. Critical thinking skills and all, in a matter of a few posts.
dsglop MUST be soing something right to attract this kind of personal attention.
when burmas publically attacked RKOwens4, it was obvious the twoof movement had died. RKO and dsglop helped nail the coffin shut on that rotting carcass.
So, if the dust collected DIDN'T come from the area where clean-up was going on, then there is NO case for a controlled demolition! It is just that simple!
I'm saying there is a case for extremly high temperatures in the debris of the WTC that shouldn't have been there. Obviously these particular spheres didn't come from the cleanup, so where did they come from? Can you answer me that?
Dude...Seriously! At that point who cares! It's over with! There could have been thermitic activity in another building, for all anyone knows! How do we know, that somewhere between the WTC, and where the dust ended up, that there wasn't an iron mill?...Hypothetical I know, but it begs the question!
Well, if that's your case, you should prove it. The fact is, RJ Lee and USGS didn't just find these iron spheres. They also found other substances that were evidence of even higher temperatures in the debris.
Why would I need to prove it, since You just did it for Me?...This is the point! And again: now that you're going this route; where were THESE samples collected?
The samples collected by the RJ Lee group and the USGS group would obviously have not come from the main debris pile. Not just because they would have wanted to obtain uncontaiminated samples, but also because, as the videos show, most of the dust was thrown and blown out quite far from the actual site if the WTC. Again, it is documented that RJ Lee and USGS were doing health sudies and did not use samples from the main debris pile.
So, then all the so-called irrefutable proof, that it was a controlled demo, is null and void! Moot! Why would You rely on evidence of a controlled demo, based on evidence, NOT collected from the site?...There are free radicals floating in the air, that can contaminate the samples! And I know for a fact, that there were samples collected form the debris pile!
If you're just going to say every sample was contaiminated, then we should doubt every scientific investigation that was done at Ground Zero. In any case, iron rich spheres were not the only strange substances found. There were other strange substances that were found that could not possibly have been the result of containmination, at the site or not.
You're the one that is saying that there were molten iron spheres, that shouldn't have been there! now you're adding that there are other substances! The fact is; that there was NO alumnum oxide, or barruim nitrate found in the dust samples! These are key, for controlled demolition evidence! You all on that side of the debate, are the ones calling for a new investigation, and crying controlled demoltion! based on contaminated evidence! There obvioulsy is something quite hypocritical about that!
There was evidence of other phenomena that shouldn't have been there. The RJ Lee group discovered evidence that lead had boiled and vaporized. Lead does not boil and vaporize until temperatures of over 3100 degrees F. Now what exactly could cause those kinds of temperatures?
"The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic." = Explosive!
You see thermite-based pyrotechnics can be engineered to have explosive power similar to conventional high-explosives also providing greater energy density and stability.
Wrong. There can't NOT be thermitic signiatures at a construction site, seeing as how the chemical elements of thermite, are common to construction materials! Also: Why were the two NECESSARY ingredients--Aluminum oxide and Barrium Nitrate NOT found in the dust samples? Dipshit!
You are incorrect about your assertions about the ingredients in thermite. First of all, X-EDS scannings of many of the samples Dr. Jones aquired showed traces of Aluminum Oxide. But it would normally be expected to be found in dust, as it goes off as a gas and would thus evaporate. Second,barrium nitrate is not an ingredient that is all thermites. Barrium Nitrate is used in a miltary grade thermite called Thermate-TH3,but is not used in regular thermate, so it shouldn't be expected to be found.
You do know we are not talking about conventional thermite but a form of super-thermite?
"From the presence of elemental aluminum and iron oxide in the red material, we conclude that it contains the ingredients of thermite."
Barium is only added as an accelerant in specific variations like TH-3, and is not necessary to make thermite. Please show me one source that says otherwise.
"There can't NOT be thermitic signiatures at a construction site" - This statement makes you the dipshit.
You do know that there were NO elements of said "super-thermite" ]Not even an official term by the way] What super thermite?...Oh you mean the long ago debunked fantasy about so called NANO-THERMITE, the very thermite that Harrit himself admitted, was only in it's research phasse, at the time of 9/11!
We know for a fact: That there was NO demolition grade thermite used in any of the buildings, since it is too unstable a substance! The llame notion of "Super Thermite" is beyond ridiculous! I'd put My money, on the oxydation of the iron, after prolonged exposure to the heat, and after all: as You admit to, the samples were tainted being as they were collected AWAY from the site! The simple fact is that one needs to find Aluminum oxide, and Barrium Nitrate in order to remotely conclude...
That demolition grade or NANO-THermite, was used! It is beyond retarded to assume that there was demo grade thermite used, when there are NO traces of required elemements in the samples!
The main components of themite are iron oxide and aluminum.
From "Conclusion 1" of the paper in question. "Lesser amounts of other potentially reactive elements are sometimes present, such as potassium, sulfer, lead, barium and copper." Try reading the paper.
I challenge you to prvide 1, just one scientific source that says barium is either "REQUIRED or that they didn't find any.
Harrit ALSO shows in his research how EASILY this supposed nano-thermite is ignited with a simple blow torch. Funny. Blow torches were used all through the clean up yet NOT ONE report of an accidental ignition of this ubiquitious substance.
Harrit is a friggin joke. His girlfriend was a hardcore twoofer PRIOR to his "research."
look this is my last word tonight cos im being asked to type a silly word after every comment. in fact i dont want to say anything cos i know what i know and im bein honest with myself, despite what i want to beleive. nite me x
Yeah! I know who Al-Quaeda is! They're those poor innocent chap's, who have no
intention of killing anyone, or doing harm to anyone who holds an opposing viewpoint! Yeah, those "Peace loving" guys! They've never chopped the heads off of anyone! Naw! Not them!
ive sat here too long now. you lot dont know what ya going on about. you seem to have evidence linking 911 to al#quida that noone else has. yet that dontstop ya cheering on a war (from your bedroom) against the talaban, if we get together now and bring the troops home, we may save 10 lives. oppose me, then maybe you dont care?
So...You came on here, made implications but don't have an idea?...Thanks very much! I love it when You simpletons from that island, drool all over the web!
Well why don't we just use your line of reasoing: We personally, don't posess any of the evidence from 9/11, so therofore, it is a cover-up,& therefore, there is NO threat! This is soooooo retarded! We should all have a piece of the steel from ground zero on our mantles...Right?...
...You gonna put up for a change?...Why not call all of these incidents "Inside job's"? just say the whole world, is false-flagging itself?..It makes sooooooo much sense now!
What about 7/7, Madrid, Mumbai, Mombassa? Were these inside job's as well?...C'mon now, all these governments are attacking their own people to go bomb some other nations, for their oil?...That is absurd beyond belief!
...Not ot mention: The U.S.S. Cole, the U.S. embassy bombings in Saudi Arabia, TWA flight 800?...The list goes on, and on! Not to mention: that America, has oil of it's own! At the time of 9/11: The number one Oil prodeucer in the world, was SAudi Arabia [A nation with whom we are/nor have ever been AT WAR WITH] The number one Oil Consumer, was The United States!
Why would there need to be info that the FBI doesn't have, especially when considering that WE don't know all that the FBI knows! And why is it that a fucking foreign retard, is weighing in on an American tragedy?... I hate that like the devil!
well. i know many muslims 4 a start. they all condemm 911 and 77. my question to you is why we not fighting al-quada? why are "we" (people) fighting the taliban? also what is your "smoking gun" that "al-quaeda " did it?
Al-Quaeda, is hand in hand with the Taliban, As I've said earlier: you have to get one, to get to the other! In WWll, did We fight just the Germans?...Of course not! we had to fight in both directions! This is the same thing happening right now! With The Taliban, and Al-Quaeda! unfortunatley, for the U.S. The Taliban, has us pineed down! We have to put out one fire, before we get to the other!
if you think we are fighting the taliban to save our civil liberties, then lol, i.ll stand by that with ya. excuse me while i myself drift off the reason why we are fighting the taliban. hey, its impossible to wake a man who is pretending to be asleep
Who said WE are fighting the Taliban to save OUR civil liberties?... It has nothing to do with civil liberties! It has to do with a group of obscenely wealthy people, who follow an agenda of death! They have the time, money, rescources, and ability, to do what they did, and continue to do! just because they stand by their convictins, and YOU DON'T, doesn't mean they're incapable of carrying out their agenda!
suddlenly the bush lovers go quiet. they get wrapped up in their own little "save me im in the tent pissing out" they 4get little things like hard facts. fuck the lot of ya
As I posed earlier: How hard [at the time of 9/11] would it have been to board a plane, and crash them into targeted buildings?...Not very hard at all! YOU still have yet to answer that one! Typical Brittish BS!
What do You call The War in Afghanistan?...That is the HQ for Al-Quaeda! They are presently taking up positions in Pakistan, along theAfghan. border up in the Mountains! BTW: The U.S. is sending in 30,000 more soldiers! Not The U.K.! Talk about not having YOur facts straight! Give Me proof otherwise! The Taliban, and Al-Qaueda, are hand-in-hand! YOu have to fight one, to get the other, there is NO way around this!
Yeah: nice job of backtracking! You wanna bull-shit Me try harder! Nothing but a bunch of gas coming out of You! Typical of ALL in your little "movement"!
dsglop, a highly irrational true believer that will never let go of his cast in concrete belief system. He is not a skeptic, he is delusional, and truly thinks that he's a skeptic that is making a difference(delusions of grandeur). Instead of questioning and withholding belief he mindlessly believes anything unusual is bunk especially when the gov't is involved. His father is probably involved with politics one way or another, likely the prime influence on this sad man that we've come to know.
Coming from a former truther, I would suggest you guys listen to someone like dsglop. He is a very informed, educated and rational person. He just comes across irrational on Nathan's vids because there is a tensional rift going on between those two and it's obvious that Nathan was the perpetrator of this tension. It's obvious ds is explaining facts to Nathan and Nathan just doesn't want to listen.
Informed, educated, and rational? He hasn't even read the 9/11 Commission Report. Also, as I make clear in my video, he doesn't even know the difference between a C-130 and an E4B Doomsday plane. The man has no idea what he's talking about.
I agree! But I also agree that Nathan has issues he needs to sort out too! Such as... approaching military personnel and asking them how it 'feels to be fighting a useless war.' I'm surprised those two guys didn't drag him into a back alley and beat him with a few inches of his life! I would have! Really dude, it takes two to tango!
I have viewed all of dsglop's encounters with Nathan. Not only does he come off as irrational, but a little deranged too. The fact that he refuses to leave Nathan alone shows dsglop is obsessed with him more then the topic of 9/11 itself.
This vid makes glop look silly. He has been debunked.
You're wrong! It's the other way around. Nathan harrassed him. I've watched the differences between Nathan's and DS's videos and it's obvious Nathan was only doing what he was doing to try and make DS look foolish. Thus the reason why DS may act so irrational at certain times. If Nathan wouldn't be such a snot nosed punk maybe DS would leave him alone.
Listen jazz, it's glop that comes out and repeatedly hounds Nathan like a lunatic, not the other way around. Here is this grown man chasing this "snot nosed punk" around for hours with a camera calling him a "twoofer" like he's Elmur Fudd, it's pathetic.
Tell me, why do you think the 9/11 commission report ignored WTC7? And please tell me how/why the building collapsed?
Yes, and he is solely harrassing Nathan! Apparently him and Nathan have a rift going on. If you watch dsglop's videos along with Nathan's videos you will notice what is going on and why there is so much tension between these two. Nathan was the "snot nosed punk" who originally put him on the spot and tried to make him look stupid (which he didn't). If I were dsglop, I would do the exact same thing to this "twoofer jones drone" idiot!
Nope! Not at all! Watch the video I told you about previously! Nathan approached DS in that video and DS didn't want himself to be videotaped! Yet Nathan taped him anyway!
ok, I'll agree with you there even though DS had to have known some taping would have happened one way or another eventually... Do you think if Nathan had not taped Dan, Dan would have shared his story and just went on his way? If that's the case, I wish Nathan would have respected his request for anonymity.
Building 7 collapsed because chunks of 1 and 2 fell onto the south facade causing massive damage and several fires that covered several floors. The floor trusses were weakened which eventually caused a portion of the building to collapse and that eventually led to the whole building collapsing. It had nothing to do with controlled demolition.
Tell me, is it the fire alone that was caused by the "chunks" or is it the "massive damage" as well that led to the building's collapse?
Read the paper published in the peer
reviewed "Open Chemical Physics Journal" on the "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 WTC Catastrophe." This is empirical proof there were nano-thermitic materials in the WTC which would account for the WPI study of molten steel.
A reminder, I have watched all the vids, dsglop acts/is crazy.
So KSM was innocent?! Okay!
Protect al-Qaeda much?
911sausageman 2 months ago
hmm not a single proof. "perhaps" "coincidence" "maybe"...
checkcall123 1 year ago
well dsglop has mentioned something that i to might belive is possible, that bush and co knew there was going to be a attack and usd it to their advantage. That might be a reason for the drills the same thay
Kikkankleiven 1 year ago
well i might agree that there are one or two strange issues about 9\11, like the very poor investigation etc, but that does not meen there is a new world order, thats just bullshit. I realy hope you nwo folks does not grow, i belive you would be dangerous to the world. Any dude beliving in Alex J is a fanatic.
Kikkankleiven 1 year ago
The attacks were carefully planned to coordinate with the cosmos. It's an occult thing. Learn the method behind this madness - watch "Esoteric Agenda".
TrutherD1 2 years ago
You can't handle the poison (my vids). Learn about NWO and wake others.
TrutherD1 2 years ago
GGcaptmandrake the busy paid troll. Prove it wasn't an inside job.
TrutherD1 2 years ago
It's already ben proven! LOL!!! Prove You are not a moron, who tapes himself being poisoned!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
The evidence is in the paper which you have not yet refuted.
primrod 2 years ago
Nano-thermites are explosives due to the rapid gas generation from the organic matrix. If you disagree you'll need to submit a paper that refutes the NIST scientists that pioneered nano-thermites.
primrod 2 years ago
Wrong. Barrium Nitrate, and Aluminum Oxide, are the 2 key ingredients! You like to refer to whatever a "truther" site's say evdentally! Steven Jones himself admitted that these NECESSARY ingredients were missing from the dust samples! Get a new fantasy!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Also: Let Me do You one better...What was used to bring down WTC 7, If it didn't collpase from fire?...Answer Me that one!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
To be nano-thermite the particles must be nano-sized and the material must have a highly exothermic reaction after ignition. Harrit's paper then clearly shows the chips are nano-thermite.
"Barrium Nitrate, and Aluminum Oxide, are the 2 key ingredients!"
Then it should be easy for you to provide proper citations, otherwise stfu.
And by the way I have shown you a direct quote form the paper in question while all you have done is parrot debunker talking points.
primrod 2 years ago
You have yet to provide any evidence of anything! You haven't answered the question either! Harrit himself stated that NANO-THERMITE, was only in it's research phase at the time of 9/11! Which is true!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Again I ask: What brought down building 7if fire didn't do it?
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Explosive, sol-gel nano-thermites were developed by US government scientists, at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories (LLNL) (Tillitson et al 1998, Gash et al 2000).
You see, I provide citations. I am still wait ing for yours or else you can never bring up bring up barium, Aluminum oxide and that "chemical elements of thermite, are common to construction materials!" but they were not found in the red/gray chips. You can't have it both ways, dipshit.
primrod 2 years ago
Prove Me wrong, that the chemical elements of thermite ARE NOT found in construction materials! And still, You haven't answered the question: What brought down building 7, if NOT fire?...LOL!!!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Again: by your own admission here, you are proving My point about NANO-THERMITES, only being in their RESEARCH phase!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
It is possible that building 7 was brought down by thermate, as the high corrosion of steel from sulfidation was found.
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
Sulfur, was also a large element in the construcrtion of those buildings: Chiefly, it was used most extstensively in drywall! Which therewas plenty of, in those buildings!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Yes, but wallboard has calcium in it as well. And the sulfur and calcium are very tightly bound together into calcium sulfate. In order to cause the intergranular melting seen in the steel from WTC 7, it would have to be pure elemental sulfur. Fact is, they found sulfidation (sulfur in the steel) but no calcium, so it could not have been from the drywall.
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
The drywall is only part of the equation: there is potassium in concrete. There is another chemical in refrigerant [I forget which it is] which is elemental to thermite. Then there is Iron in electronics, and supposedly cermamics, the list goes on and on!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Yes, but you have yet to explain what could chemically fuse all these elements together. Could fire or a building collapse chemically fuse these elements like that? Something only a handful of science organizations can do?
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
Better yet: Prove to Me, [beyond a shadow of a doubt] that the iron shpherules were a direct result of the events of that day, and NOT from the torches used to cut down the beams during clean-up, or welding irons used during construction!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
I will be happy to prove it. I can prove that the spheres did not come from cutting torches or welding irons. The RJ Lee report shows that a WTC dust sample acquired at 130 Liberty Street shows a mean of composition of Fe
spheres of 5.87% which is very high compared with Fe spheres found in ordinary building dust of only
0.04%. Basically what the report is saying is that the WTC dust in this sample has nearly 150 times (5.87/0.04) the amount of iron-rich spheres as ordinary dust.
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
There is NO way to prove, that the spherules DIDN'T come from cutting torches! This is the point! Or that they came from welding activities! And best of all: You missed the point entirely! Prove when they were formed! Before collpase, after, or duiring clean up? The concentration, was at around 0.03% to something like 0.13% concentration! Not to Mention: What about the fact, that thermite could've, and very probably was used in certain scvenarios during clean-up! There is NO WAY to rule that out
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
...Either...
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Even if it were true [about the 150 times concentration] it can't be ruled out, that welding, and after the collpases [during the clean-up] cutting torches were used! This would be ample enough to produce the shpres! Let's talk about the fact that they used sea-water form nearby, as their prime source of water! [to fight the fires] Salt water, evidentally contains sulfur, as does the diesel fuel that fuelled the back-up genereators!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Anyone who asks somebody to prove something to them "without a shadow of a doubt" is basically saying they'll never accept any evidence contrary to their view no matter what it says and uses that request as an excuse to hide and saves the ego from being bruised when shown info that could change their world view.
You sir, are an ignoramus.
bukkake2007 2 years ago
The claim was made as an absolute! This is why I ask to have things proven beynd a shadow of a doubt!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
I read through the comments, they both provided sources which were scientific experiments. You seem to not have read them. When asked to back up the things you say however, you turn it round and ask for more proof "beyond a shadow of a doubt". This is an indication that you're scared of being wrong and don't really know what you're talking about. You seem to only spout debunker talking points, as they have pointed out.
bukkake2007 2 years ago
Oh! So you want to "profile" me?...LOL!!! I've already researched thermite, a long trime ago! Truther sites being cited, and quoted is nothing new to Me! If an idiot wants to make the absurd claim that there was thermite, he/she is more than welcome to do so! Also: if You read MY comments [since I know You obviously haven't] You would see that thermite is SUPPOSED to be at a consstruction site anyways! There can't NOT BE THERMITE! Prove that wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
The onus is on you, for it is you that is making this statement. I, on the other hand, am providing you with proper citations and I am referencing a peer reviewed paper-- what are you referencing? Do you know what peer reviewed means?
You're "LOL" shows you to be uneasy and desperate. I am still waiting for that "barium" document. Man up or admit you are wrong.
primrod 2 years ago
You man up, and show Me where I'm wrong! You can't do it! Peer reviewed by who?... Oh yeah David Ray Griffin, or Steven Jones?... Just answer the question!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
I'm still waiting for a reply, as to what brought down building 7!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
I stated: that at the time of 9/11, NANO-THERMITE was only in it's research phase, a quote I heard from Neils Harrit himself! You [in turn] basically post it again for Me!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
It was peer-reviewed by the "Open Chemical Physics Journal". Didn't you read that paper?
I challenged you to provide one scientific source that says barium is the main component of thermite. Again, if you had read the paper, there are many variations of chemicals that can be added to thermitic mixtures for a variety of uses. Several of these chemicals, including barium, were found.
Sorry, FAIL again. = You have proven yourself to be a fraud.
primrod 2 years ago
So: No explanation as to what brought down building 7?...And because there are these "variations" then one can't conclusively point to thermite! Case closed!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Again: Prove one thing wrong that I have said!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
That barium is required for the production of thermite. What is wrong with you?
primrod 2 years ago
It is reqired, for demolition grade thermite! LOL!!!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Prove that barium is required for thermite with scientific literature. I think you are full of shit, so excuse me if I don't take your word for it.
primrod 2 years ago
Don't get so frustrated with this guy prim. I'm dealing with him too and he's a real piece of work. He's says right on his page that he thinks truthers are "a bunch of fags and whores." All you have to do to prove him wrong is go to this link:
h t t p : / / 9 1 1 d e b u n k e r s (dot) b l o g s p o t (dot) c o m / 2 0 0 9 / 0 2 / d e b u n k i n g 9 1 1 - d e b u n k e d - t h e r m a t e - c h e m i c a l (dot) h t m l
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
Even better, prove your ridiculous claim, that Barrium nitrate is NOT required for demo grade thermite!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
And again: NANO-THERIMTE is irrelevant, seeing as how it was only in it's research phase at the time of 9/11!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Let's see here: You implied NANO-THERMITE, then debunked it, by proving My point about it being only in it's research phase, then went on to say that thermite has variations, and still are unable to disprove that the chemical elements of thermite, are common in construction meterials! You simply don't have a case!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Great, you concede barium debunking, let's move on.
I am not implying nano-thermite, what I am doing is referencing a document that was peer-reviewed (have you googled it yet?) by the Open Chemical Physics Journal. The document clearly shows that the structure and mixing is the same as nano-thermite, also it ignites at the same temperatures, the reaction produces iron rich microspheres, and the chips release more energy than the theoretical maximum of thermite, all the same as nano-thermite.
primrod 2 years ago
Fail again, with no sources to back up your claims, tsk, tsk, you make "debunkers" look bad. Admit that you know shit when it comes to thermite which is why you regurgitate debunker talking points without doing your own research. Again, the onus is on you-- you made the statement, remember?
Though you're good at debunking yourself. Critical thinking skills and all, in a matter of a few posts.
primrod 2 years ago
And Barrium Nitrate, was NOT found!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Yes it was re-read my post, or better yet read the paper.
primrod 2 years ago
dsglop MUST be soing something right to attract this kind of personal attention.
when burmas publically attacked RKOwens4, it was obvious the twoof movement had died. RKO and dsglop helped nail the coffin shut on that rotting carcass.
TheMasterOfTwoof 2 years ago
I saw RKOwens go up to Jason and start the dispute. And I also know RKOwens pulled part of his dispute off the web because Jason proved him wrong.
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
posting it twice doesn't make your "case" any more plausible.
Jones didn't even find TWO ingredients specific to thermite. If anything YOU should be claiming contamination of Jones's samples.
I'm just claiming he's a dipshit. There's plenty of proof backing that theory.
TheMasterOfTwoof 2 years ago
So, if the dust collected DIDN'T come from the area where clean-up was going on, then there is NO case for a controlled demolition! It is just that simple!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Well, once they rely entirely on samples collected, even from across the street, their case falls apart! LOL!!!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
I'm saying there is a case for extremly high temperatures in the debris of the WTC that shouldn't have been there. Obviously these particular spheres didn't come from the cleanup, so where did they come from? Can you answer me that?
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
Dude...Seriously! At that point who cares! It's over with! There could have been thermitic activity in another building, for all anyone knows! How do we know, that somewhere between the WTC, and where the dust ended up, that there wasn't an iron mill?...Hypothetical I know, but it begs the question!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Well, if that's your case, you should prove it. The fact is, RJ Lee and USGS didn't just find these iron spheres. They also found other substances that were evidence of even higher temperatures in the debris.
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
Why would I need to prove it, since You just did it for Me?...This is the point! And again: now that you're going this route; where were THESE samples collected?
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
The samples collected by the RJ Lee group and the USGS group would obviously have not come from the main debris pile. Not just because they would have wanted to obtain uncontaiminated samples, but also because, as the videos show, most of the dust was thrown and blown out quite far from the actual site if the WTC. Again, it is documented that RJ Lee and USGS were doing health sudies and did not use samples from the main debris pile.
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
So, then all the so-called irrefutable proof, that it was a controlled demo, is null and void! Moot! Why would You rely on evidence of a controlled demo, based on evidence, NOT collected from the site?...There are free radicals floating in the air, that can contaminate the samples! And I know for a fact, that there were samples collected form the debris pile!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
If you're just going to say every sample was contaiminated, then we should doubt every scientific investigation that was done at Ground Zero. In any case, iron rich spheres were not the only strange substances found. There were other strange substances that were found that could not possibly have been the result of containmination, at the site or not.
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
You're the one that is saying that there were molten iron spheres, that shouldn't have been there! now you're adding that there are other substances! The fact is; that there was NO alumnum oxide, or barruim nitrate found in the dust samples! These are key, for controlled demolition evidence! You all on that side of the debate, are the ones calling for a new investigation, and crying controlled demoltion! based on contaminated evidence! There obvioulsy is something quite hypocritical about that!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
There was evidence of other phenomena that shouldn't have been there. The RJ Lee group discovered evidence that lead had boiled and vaporized. Lead does not boil and vaporize until temperatures of over 3100 degrees F. Now what exactly could cause those kinds of temperatures?
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
Yeah, but like You said: the dust was NOT collected at the site, but rather away from it! What part of free-radicals, do you NOT understand?
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
The paper shows the chips are explosive. Stick a pot on your head and bang it as much as you want. It won't change reality.
Your attempts at diversion do nothing to refute this paper.
Falsehoods need to be proven to be false. Your vigorous hand-waving doesn't cut it.
primrod 2 years ago
The chips weren't shown to be explosive! LOL!!! They just show that they were exposed to extreme heat!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
More hand waving.
"The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic." = Explosive!
You see thermite-based pyrotechnics can be engineered to have explosive power similar to conventional high-explosives also providing greater energy density and stability.
primrod 2 years ago
Wrong. There can't NOT be thermitic signiatures at a construction site, seeing as how the chemical elements of thermite, are common to construction materials! Also: Why were the two NECESSARY ingredients--Aluminum oxide and Barrium Nitrate NOT found in the dust samples? Dipshit!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
You are incorrect about your assertions about the ingredients in thermite. First of all, X-EDS scannings of many of the samples Dr. Jones aquired showed traces of Aluminum Oxide. But it would normally be expected to be found in dust, as it goes off as a gas and would thus evaporate. Second,barrium nitrate is not an ingredient that is all thermites. Barrium Nitrate is used in a miltary grade thermite called Thermate-TH3,but is not used in regular thermate, so it shouldn't be expected to be found.
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
You do know we are not talking about conventional thermite but a form of super-thermite?
"From the presence of elemental aluminum and iron oxide in the red material, we conclude that it contains the ingredients of thermite."
Barium is only added as an accelerant in specific variations like TH-3, and is not necessary to make thermite. Please show me one source that says otherwise.
"There can't NOT be thermitic signiatures at a construction site" - This statement makes you the dipshit.
primrod 2 years ago
You do know that there were NO elements of said "super-thermite" ]Not even an official term by the way] What super thermite?...Oh you mean the long ago debunked fantasy about so called NANO-THERMITE, the very thermite that Harrit himself admitted, was only in it's research phasse, at the time of 9/11!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
If you have an alterantive explaination for what the chips really were I would love to hear it.
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
We know for a fact: That there was NO demolition grade thermite used in any of the buildings, since it is too unstable a substance! The llame notion of "Super Thermite" is beyond ridiculous! I'd put My money, on the oxydation of the iron, after prolonged exposure to the heat, and after all: as You admit to, the samples were tainted being as they were collected AWAY from the site! The simple fact is that one needs to find Aluminum oxide, and Barrium Nitrate in order to remotely conclude...
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
That demolition grade or NANO-THermite, was used! It is beyond retarded to assume that there was demo grade thermite used, when there are NO traces of required elemements in the samples!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
And again: Barrium Nitrate, and Aluminum oxide, are REQUIRED to be in the samples, and they are the two ingredients ABSENT from the samples!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
The main components of themite are iron oxide and aluminum.
From "Conclusion 1" of the paper in question. "Lesser amounts of other potentially reactive elements are sometimes present, such as potassium, sulfer, lead, barium and copper." Try reading the paper.
I challenge you to prvide 1, just one scientific source that says barium is either "REQUIRED or that they didn't find any.
primrod 2 years ago
I'm hearing lyrics:
You've got to come original,
you've got to come original,
'All you dumb twoofers"--
Come original!
You've got to come original,
You've got to come original,
"All You dumb twoofers--
Come original! :)
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Harrit ALSO shows in his research how EASILY this supposed nano-thermite is ignited with a simple blow torch. Funny. Blow torches were used all through the clean up yet NOT ONE report of an accidental ignition of this ubiquitious substance.
Harrit is a friggin joke. His girlfriend was a hardcore twoofer PRIOR to his "research."
Can anyone say "pussy-whipped?"
TheMasterOfTwoof 2 years ago
have u actually seen the building collapse?
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
how you people can call me stupid yet not have a problem with the official story is beyond me!
just look at building 7 then try and say that it is fine......
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
What about building 7?
jazzfan5000 2 years ago
Because you are stupid!
jazzfan5000 2 years ago
you call me stupid but seem keen to hear my thoughts on 7/7?
if you must know, i think we have been lied to, and like 911 certain things dont add up.
but hey, it got the country behind the war on terror.
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
Boy, I don't know if they come more stupid than chunkyboy!
jazzfan5000 2 years ago
Tell Me about it!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Ugh.
I wonder what chunky thinks of 7/7?
Maybe "alquada" is really those lizard people from Roswell the twoofers keep accusing the NWO to be.
WOW.
So many conspiracies, so little time. Sigh.
TheMasterOfTwoof 2 years ago
look this is my last word tonight cos im being asked to type a silly word after every comment. in fact i dont want to say anything cos i know what i know and im bein honest with myself, despite what i want to beleive. nite me x
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
yoiu8 do kow ho alquada is dont ya?
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
Yeah! I know who Al-Quaeda is! They're those poor innocent chap's, who have no
intention of killing anyone, or doing harm to anyone who holds an opposing viewpoint! Yeah, those "Peace loving" guys! They've never chopped the heads off of anyone! Naw! Not them!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Night moron!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
I tried asking him about 7/7!...No answer! What a shock!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
ive sat here too long now. you lot dont know what ya going on about. you seem to have evidence linking 911 to al#quida that noone else has. yet that dontstop ya cheering on a war (from your bedroom) against the talaban, if we get together now and bring the troops home, we may save 10 lives. oppose me, then maybe you dont care?
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
How do You know what anyone else has?...
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
lol you fucking bottle job ya
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
WOW
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
bellend.
Ta-rah
TheMasterOfTwoof 2 years ago
You've stil not answered my quiri chap! What about all those other attacks around the world?.. All of which implicate Al-Quaeda!...
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
so i am retarded. but im not retarded? is that also what you r saying?
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
LOL!!! You asking Me to give meaning to Your life now?
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
zzzzzz retarded again zzzzzzzzzzzz but you still havin debate with me?
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
So...You came on here, made implications but don't have an idea?...Thanks very much! I love it when You simpletons from that island, drool all over the web!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
never mentioned inside job. not aword about false flag. your putting words in my mouth
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
You're backtracking again! I love it! This is soooooo retarded!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
No! You just said that it was "other than what was stated!" What would You suggest, seeing as how You are this misunderstood?
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
jesus christ people, you sat al-quida DONE 911. you all agreed on that?
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
Well why don't we just use your line of reasoing: We personally, don't posess any of the evidence from 9/11, so therofore, it is a cover-up,& therefore, there is NO threat! This is soooooo retarded! We should all have a piece of the steel from ground zero on our mantles...Right?...
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
you the only one here going on about oil pal
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
...You gonna put up for a change?...Why not call all of these incidents "Inside job's"? just say the whole world, is false-flagging itself?..It makes sooooooo much sense now!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
fuck me gent s .........come on..........
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
lol retard now is it? sussed you right out now im some kind of moron? just for asking questions? well sorry. i buy into all you said then
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
What about 7/7, Madrid, Mumbai, Mombassa? Were these inside job's as well?...C'mon now, all these governments are attacking their own people to go bomb some other nations, for their oil?...That is absurd beyond belief!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
...Not ot mention: The U.S.S. Cole, the U.S. embassy bombings in Saudi Arabia, TWA flight 800?...The list goes on, and on! Not to mention: that America, has oil of it's own! At the time of 9/11: The number one Oil prodeucer in the world, was SAudi Arabia [A nation with whom we are/nor have ever been AT WAR WITH] The number one Oil Consumer, was The United States!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
i think that the fact that 911 was other than what was offically stated is common knowledge.we all just want to know who did it.
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
So tell me chunky, what does it mean to have 'common knowledge?'
jazzfan5000 2 years ago
There has yet to be proof, that it was anything other than a terrorist attack!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Good luck getting a straight answer on that one!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
We're telling you who did it! We've been told who did it!
jazzfan5000 2 years ago
i asked the question i beleive' i asked what proof you have? i wanted to know what you knew but the fbi didnt?
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
Why would there need to be info that the FBI doesn't have, especially when considering that WE don't know all that the FBI knows! And why is it that a fucking foreign retard, is weighing in on an American tragedy?... I hate that like the devil!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
All you idiot's do is: [Like a Mantra] chant..."9/11 was an inside job!" That's it! It's laughable!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
yeah we did fight the germans. shame we defeated them yet let the nazi's through
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
you do know that it is real people like you and me risking their lives everyday..... dont you?
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
How could I NOT know that?...
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
You have yet to offer any evidence to prove that Al-Quaeda didn't attack the U.S. on 9/11! I'm still waiting for th at one!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
These Truther Jokers have yet to prove ANYTHING!!
jazzfan5000 2 years ago
Jazz: Tell Me About it!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
dont try to play the race , wee all been there
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
well. i know many muslims 4 a start. they all condemm 911 and 77. my question to you is why we not fighting al-quada? why are "we" (people) fighting the taliban? also what is your "smoking gun" that "al-quaeda " did it?
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
Al-Quaeda, is hand in hand with the Taliban, As I've said earlier: you have to get one, to get to the other! In WWll, did We fight just the Germans?...Of course not! we had to fight in both directions! This is the same thing happening right now! With The Taliban, and Al-Quaeda! unfortunatley, for the U.S. The Taliban, has us pineed down! We have to put out one fire, before we get to the other!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
so, you are saying. let me get this straight... al~quaeda carried out 911? you said that yes?
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
YES: evidentally YOU can't read! LOL!!!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Here's another question: Why are You, and seemingly everyone else in Your "movement" so racist against the Muslims?...
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
...tick, tock, tick, tock, Still scracthing Your head, or just eating some Toffee?...
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
if you think we are fighting the taliban to save our civil liberties, then lol, i.ll stand by that with ya. excuse me while i myself drift off the reason why we are fighting the taliban. hey, its impossible to wake a man who is pretending to be asleep
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
Who said WE are fighting the Taliban to save OUR civil liberties?... It has nothing to do with civil liberties! It has to do with a group of obscenely wealthy people, who follow an agenda of death! They have the time, money, rescources, and ability, to do what they did, and continue to do! just because they stand by their convictins, and YOU DON'T, doesn't mean they're incapable of carrying out their agenda!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
suddlenly the bush lovers go quiet. they get wrapped up in their own little "save me im in the tent pissing out" they 4get little things like hard facts. fuck the lot of ya
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
All of You limeys, are a bunch of fat welfare recieving simpletons! LOL!!! All You do all day, is piss and moan on the internet! It's laughable!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
u bang on mate
i want to do so much more but i dont know where to start
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
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chunkyboy100 2 years ago
So...based on literally NOTHING at all, you think it was an "inside job"? Thanks very much! I figured YOU were just as dumb as the rest of them!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
so based on who did it? im asking you. who is responable for 911? anybody would think im asking a trick question!
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
With out question, Al-Quaeda absolutely carried out 9/11!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
As I posed earlier: How hard [at the time of 9/11] would it have been to board a plane, and crash them into targeted buildings?...Not very hard at all! YOU still have yet to answer that one! Typical Brittish BS!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
so if al-quaeda carried out 911
why are we not fighting them?
why r we sending 30 000 more troops to fight the taliban? what info do YOU have that the rest of us dont?
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
What do You call The War in Afghanistan?...That is the HQ for Al-Quaeda! They are presently taking up positions in Pakistan, along theAfghan. border up in the Mountains! BTW: The U.S. is sending in 30,000 more soldiers! Not The U.K.! Talk about not having YOur facts straight! Give Me proof otherwise! The Taliban, and Al-Qaueda, are hand-in-hand! YOu have to fight one, to get the other, there is NO way around this!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Hey fatty: I bet you're one of those ones that thinks that the wars in Afghanistan, and Iraq, were/are blood for oil! Right?...
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
i said we as in human beings for a start
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
Yeah: nice job of backtracking! You wanna bull-shit Me try harder! Nothing but a bunch of gas coming out of You! Typical of ALL in your little "movement"!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
so come on then , who carried out 911? who was responsable for 2000 deaths in new york? no bullshit. just give me a name.
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
Dude: It was 3000 deaths!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
Better yet: Why don't YOU give us a name!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
i cant and its not 3000 deaths
who did it? who carried out 911? go on tell everyone
its so many more than 3000
glad u were payin attention
who did 911?
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
How hard would it be to board a plane and crash them into buildings?...Not very hard, as of 9/11 or prior!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
maybe not hard to crash A plane. but 4? never
chunkyboy100 2 years ago
4?...Absolutely! No question about it!
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
When are you fuckers gonna give up? GET A FUCKING LIFE!!
foureleven666 2 years ago
Good job - and good tunes!
It's almost too easy to show these self-appointed 'debunkers' are ignorant of the facts surrounding 9/11.
proudfootz 2 years ago
Thank you very much.
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
dsglop, a highly irrational true believer that will never let go of his cast in concrete belief system. He is not a skeptic, he is delusional, and truly thinks that he's a skeptic that is making a difference(delusions of grandeur). Instead of questioning and withholding belief he mindlessly believes anything unusual is bunk especially when the gov't is involved. His father is probably involved with politics one way or another, likely the prime influence on this sad man that we've come to know.
primrod 2 years ago 4
Coming from a former truther, I would suggest you guys listen to someone like dsglop. He is a very informed, educated and rational person. He just comes across irrational on Nathan's vids because there is a tensional rift going on between those two and it's obvious that Nathan was the perpetrator of this tension. It's obvious ds is explaining facts to Nathan and Nathan just doesn't want to listen.
jazzfan5000 2 years ago
Informed, educated, and rational? He hasn't even read the 9/11 Commission Report. Also, as I make clear in my video, he doesn't even know the difference between a C-130 and an E4B Doomsday plane. The man has no idea what he's talking about.
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
Have you ever talked to the guy?
jazzfan5000 2 years ago
I've seen him on youtube and he's admitted that he's never read the report. I've talked with him online and I find him quite unsavoury.
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
Well maybe you should get to know him. He really is a nice guy, just not nice to Nathan Moulton!
jazzfan5000 2 years ago
I'm assuming that you've actually met him, right? If he has a personal problem with Nathan Moulton then he needs to sort his prorities out.
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
I agree! But I also agree that Nathan has issues he needs to sort out too! Such as... approaching military personnel and asking them how it 'feels to be fighting a useless war.' I'm surprised those two guys didn't drag him into a back alley and beat him with a few inches of his life! I would have! Really dude, it takes two to tango!
jazzfan5000 2 years ago
I have viewed all of dsglop's encounters with Nathan. Not only does he come off as irrational, but a little deranged too. The fact that he refuses to leave Nathan alone shows dsglop is obsessed with him more then the topic of 9/11 itself.
This vid makes glop look silly. He has been debunked.
primrod 2 years ago
You're wrong! It's the other way around. Nathan harrassed him. I've watched the differences between Nathan's and DS's videos and it's obvious Nathan was only doing what he was doing to try and make DS look foolish. Thus the reason why DS may act so irrational at certain times. If Nathan wouldn't be such a snot nosed punk maybe DS would leave him alone.
jazzfan5000 2 years ago
Listen jazz, it's glop that comes out and repeatedly hounds Nathan like a lunatic, not the other way around. Here is this grown man chasing this "snot nosed punk" around for hours with a camera calling him a "twoofer" like he's Elmur Fudd, it's pathetic.
Tell me, why do you think the 9/11 commission report ignored WTC7? And please tell me how/why the building collapsed?
primrod 2 years ago
Yes, and he is solely harrassing Nathan! Apparently him and Nathan have a rift going on. If you watch dsglop's videos along with Nathan's videos you will notice what is going on and why there is so much tension between these two. Nathan was the "snot nosed punk" who originally put him on the spot and tried to make him look stupid (which he didn't). If I were dsglop, I would do the exact same thing to this "twoofer jones drone" idiot!
jazzfan5000 2 years ago
jazzfan5000 - when exactly did Nathan "originally put him on the spot"? there must be video of this initial taunting.
bluzer2222 2 years ago
Ummmm, the video "9/11 Truth Debunker embarrasses himself" is the video I refer to!
jazzfan5000 2 years ago
thanks for the reply, but didn't dsglop show up to put Nathan on the spot? and possibly try make him look stupid? first?
bluzer2222 2 years ago
Nope! Not at all! Watch the video I told you about previously! Nathan approached DS in that video and DS didn't want himself to be videotaped! Yet Nathan taped him anyway!
jazzfan5000 2 years ago
ok, I'll agree with you there even though DS had to have known some taping would have happened one way or another eventually... Do you think if Nathan had not taped Dan, Dan would have shared his story and just went on his way? If that's the case, I wish Nathan would have respected his request for anonymity.
bluzer2222 2 years ago
Building 7 collapsed because chunks of 1 and 2 fell onto the south facade causing massive damage and several fires that covered several floors. The floor trusses were weakened which eventually caused a portion of the building to collapse and that eventually led to the whole building collapsing. It had nothing to do with controlled demolition.
jazzfan5000 2 years ago
Tell me, is it the fire alone that was caused by the "chunks" or is it the "massive damage" as well that led to the building's collapse?
Read the paper published in the peer
reviewed "Open Chemical Physics Journal" on the "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 WTC Catastrophe." This is empirical proof there were nano-thermitic materials in the WTC which would account for the WPI study of molten steel.
A reminder, I have watched all the vids, dsglop acts/is crazy.
primrod 2 years ago