Revelation Happened 2000 Years Ago. Dr. Gordon Fee

[RenewalOfAllThings]

Check out my channel with uploaded powerpoints on this topic :)

[CrispiesJ]

thanks for adding this...I just wondered if it is possible to see the whole program somewhere. Thanks

[stevelikesmetal]

@falcondick69 Here's the chart:

ALEPH=1. BETH=2. GIMEL=3. DALET=4. HE=5. VAV=6. ZAYIN=7. CHETH=8. TETH=9. YODH=10. KAPH=20. LAMED=30. MEM=40. NUN=50. SAMEKH=60. AYIN=70. PE=80. TSADHE=90. KOPH=100. RESH=200. SHIN=300. TAV=400.

Q (100) + S (60) + R (200) + N (50) + R (200) + O/V (6) + N (50) = 666

[mythmanjay]

Amen! The Bible affirms the pattern: Eden-downfall-uprising-Eden, over-and-over

[fractalbeliever]

Dr. Fee's position involves a blasphemous contradiction of scripture.

While Paul was clearly the author of his epistles, and Christ His parables, the book of Revelation indicates that John DID NOT (intend to compose a letter to the seven churches, but was (involuntarily) taken in the Spirit to see visions and ORDERED to write.

Here, and in his book REVELATION, Dr. Fee implies that John simply "cut and pasted" symbols and ideas from the Old testament and 1st century culture to make a point.

[Dreadmore]

@fractalbeliever lol, fundamentalist reactionary

[JacareCalhoun28]

Yea, this guy is way off...nice try though.

[nbvca1]

Alls I got to say is: What about the rebuilding of the Temple and the army of 200 million?

[thomasmorganphillips]

fantastic....if this sparks your interest google "emmaus school of biblical studies"....9 month Bible school teaching students to interpret the Bible in its historical context, as Gordon Fee is interpreting revelation here

[kristimjlove]

This man is wrong....we are nearing the days where a world leader is coming to control the world under a transhumanistic manifesto- human cloning, nanotechnology, implantable microchips, minduploading, technological singularity- come visit my channel- there is also a "Demonic Alien Agenda" unfolding- watch my series.

[MrBoudreaux1976]

@kristimjlove

Can you support your claim that he is wrong? The videos on your channel seem to deal with the other issues you mention-transhumanism, the singularity, and a Demonic Alien Agenda-rather than addressing specifically why this interpretation of Revelation is wrong. What scriptural and historical basis do you have to support the claim that he is wrong?

[kristimjlove]

@MrBoudreaux1976 Revelation 13:16...he causeth all to recieve a mark in their right hand or in their forehead- that no man might BUY or SELL unless he had the mark....

This has NOT happened yet, this scripture is refrencing a world cashless system which is now unfolding before our eyes and possible with RFID microchips. Jesus Christ is not here ruling and reigning from Israel yet. Satan is using false teachers like this to get you to believe that when the Antichrist comes that he is "God."!!

[MrBoudreaux1976]

@kristimjlove What is your basis for this? Do you have any historical support ? There is a very good argument that this is a liteary device that the those who read it in John's day would have understood as symoblic of Roman government (especially Nero) usurping God's divine position and auothority. The term antichrist only appears in 1 & 2 John and it seems clear this is anyone who denies Christ. As for me any world leader claming to be God is lying.

[JacareCalhoun28]

@kristimjlove you are correct my friend. Keep up the good work.

[wbotes]

@kristimjlove Actually it has. there was a time in roman history when , in order to trade in the market, you had to have the emperors mark on your body. ie the mark of emperor Nero aka "the Beast"

[kristimjlove]

@wbotes Really, then where is Jesus, according to GODs word, He is supposed to come back to Israel on a white horse to rule and reign....the mark is going to be a computer chip....and your wrong this happend yet,

[wbotes]

@kristimjlove wait... where in the bible does it say that it will be a computer chip? and i think that the white horse language isnt to be taken literally. the whole letter of revelation is riddled with symbolism, so most good scholars take the white horse imagery as also being symbolic. And dont you think it interesting that emperor Nero was nicknamed "the beast" in roman times?

[kristimjlove]

@wbotes Where in the Bible does it say that Nero put a mark on people? Also, if these things have already happened, why isn't Jesus ruling in Israel?

[wbotes]

@kristimjlove OK. my reasoning is that, in roman times they didnt have computer chips, but they did have an emperor named nero whos nick name was "the beast", and the reference is to the mark of "the beast." So i think it quite reasonable that the mark of the beast refers to nero and not a computer chip.

[wbotes]

@kristimjlove Also the name Israel often refered to the people Israel rather than the place Israel. particularily when jesus talked about it. Christians were supposed to be the new israel, so jesus kinda was and is already ruling there.

[stevelikesmetal]

@wbotes i think you have something there, nero was tracking down and hunting christians and killing them off for their belief by the thousands. In the time of John, christians were under severe scrutiny. All of that went down during the book of revelations was written. Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus was his full name but in the Hebrew Alephbet the shortened version of this name (Caesar Nero or QSR NRON) adds up to the value, 666...

[Falcondick69]

@stevelikesmetal idk... ronald reagens letters in his first middle and last name added up as 6 6 6

[stevelikesmetal]

@Falcondick69 hmm, true. But so does bushes name, and some how Obama got thrown into that mix also. Along with Hitler and others lol... Im just saying there is allllooootttttt of argument over Revelations.

[Falcondick69]

@stevelikesmetal lol well, ive heard so muchs tuff about it, like uh in theory if revelatio happened 2k years ago why are we christians still around? ive also heard that the the antichrist will either be the 112th pope/reign during the 112th pope in office, ive also heard there is an antichrist at all times put there by satan because nobody knows when the world ends except the father so i have no idea which way to turn as far as this goes. although it seems most authorities think its happened.

[damildlyshreddah]

I love this man. Does Fee take a preterist view of Revelation?

[damildlyshreddah]

@damildlyshreddah Nevermind. I just had to listen more closely towards the end of the video. ;-)