@DCBakerEsq60 Yes obama good at canceling leading tech in the u.s. it like sabotaging the u.s. military power. When he should be clamping down and fixing the flaws. this includes. The EFV, F22, THEEL, Missile defense, FCS,And star-wars defense system against nuke attack. Then i bet he just getting started. The flip side the Zubr fleet is all in month balls as the Russian navy keeps 2 training Zubrs running and rest in storage yet they still build new one for orders like the Greek navy and china.
@starknight97 the T-90 would have to make it to shore to be deployed. I think the skirt on a ZUBR is a weak spot. The ZUBR is larger and has more mass visable above sea level than the USMC, it also requires more energy to run.
I see how both vehicles could have their applications.
I'm not trying to say which is better only which I prefer.
Amphibious, Armoured, tracked vehicles appeal to me.
@YeahMF lol are you making the zubr and EFV fight. Yes the skirt weak but you have to tare 1 meter plus hole too stop it from working. With a 30 mm MK44 cannon or a 7.62 mm machine gun it not happening. Then true the EFV has more armor then a Zubr but it extra fire power far out weights the EFV. 32 Anti-Personnel missiles; or 2 SA-N-5 "Grail" quad launchers,140 mm Ogon launchers and 2x30 mm AK-630 air or ground.
@Beliserius1 Started out as the EFV was the best at it job as in shore landing deploying troops. they Wanted the the EFV too fight it thinking a skirt attack would kill it but you need high cal HE rounds our rockets at least. Though back too point it about the best landing and going on land platform. That's the Zubr LCAC even our LCAC pales compared too it. Though going back too this point the Iowa fail against a LCS ability to launch landing craft over all. In sort whats the best landing craft.
@Beliserius1 it can ride on land over 1 meter tall objects. it can go in land as far as you like minus it huge size. and has fire power for just that fighting both ground and sea vehicles. As a APC the EVF is great as IFV the bmp 3 is much better. as a landing system which is a EFV job the ZUBR is better in all ways.
EFV is more than a landing craft, ZUBR like all LCAC was never designed to take the fight inland, but only to unload the cargo. Heck, it is too big to fit in ANY amphibeous vessels, making logistics nightmarish for any mission of any significant distance from home.
EFV is the jack of all traits, while it isn't the best at performing any specific task, It's ability to perform remarkably well in all of it's tasks put it ahead of any other vehicle of it's type.
@Beliserius1 If they needed though could make a LCAC to fit Zubrs. though you have too want to surpass our navy to do this. Fuel is costly for any ship. though the Zubr can go inland as far as you like till trees or homes get in the way. This is why she carries other armor on bored. EFV is a jack of all traits master of non though and way to costly with way too many over runs. Yes that why a IFV is NOT a MBT minus the Merkava of course. Ahh though the EFV does carry as many troops as most apcs.
Due to it's relative small size, an LPD could carry 20+ of these babies, several thousand miles away from home without ANY logistic issues.
US has landing crafts, they include LCUs, LCMs, and LCACs, ALL of which can be carried within the LPDs. Something the Zubr NEEDS to do if they are going to be used for more than just neighbor pushing.
@Beliserius1 Not true if you want to fuel the zubrs on the go they act as sea going ships. With enough range too cross the barring straight. All u.s. landing crafts pale compared too the zubr. The LCU,LCM is boat that rams the shore line. The LCAC has 2 .5ocals for troop support & protection. A LPD is a navy item and Russians have cut their navy So easy win for us minus they just bought the french new helicopter carrier.The Zubr Will refuel 10 times launched from black sea a barge would work to
The Zubr has less than 1000km range, no where near enough to do anything usefl other than shoving the neighbors around.
Neither the US LCACs or the Zubr were designed to fight with the marines, the weapons onboard the Zubr is only to defend itself at sea, much like what the LPDs weapons.
Zubr can go wherever she wants, but she won't REACH there easily, nor can she do anything useful inland.
BMPs will take for EVER to cross any large body of water.
@Beliserius1 Unless you refuel moder ship even refuel minus nuk power ships. No they are 122mm anti personnel rockets the the 30mm are ati air land her weapons very much can shot land based weapons. She can still carry her load and fire her weapons in land. Not if they are on board the Zubr they cross fastest the EFV as the Zubr faster then a EVF. The Zubr it self rides onto the shore and can go over objects 1 meter high. True ship fighting not a factor hear unless you mean air-force.
@Beliserius1 SO what are you saying is it job? is landing Craft was my first thought, which makes zubr better, IFV which makes the BMP3 better, APC she pretty(17 troops) good at. Most troop 6 wheelers have little armor. MBT she not even in the running for. IF its the AAV replacement then that landing craft marine APC. Zubrs still better at that Even if it cost more too run.
Here is a scenario, Marines are planning a beach invasion against Iraq in an unspecified location. The nearest home base is several thousand miles away. How will the Zubr get there? An fleet of tankers escorting it?
The EFV is designed to deliver troops to shore from beyond the horizon so it would not alert the enemy. Further, after the troops have landed, they could simply use it to fight on inland
@Beliserius1 True though you used Iraq as a country all that sand the zubr can go in land as far as she wants should have used Finland then the Zubr stopped at the shore line. She has heavy sort medium support weapons and missiles. Then it's 10 bmp3 IFV go any were they want after the beach is reached from way passed the horizon.
1. the Zubr also Beyond Line of Sight never needing a LPD.
@Beliserius1 Right meaning the LPD still open too the same anti ship missiles. Yes the zubrs is designed operated as a ship and a LCU only better as it rides on to dry land. Like efv the efv can go into city's though the zubr can't yet it's 10 bmp3's,500 troops can or it 3 t90's can depends on it load out. A Zubr can be placed on a sea barge and tugged the hole ocean over and deploy right off the sea barge. Then like any standard ship you can keep refueling it ever 300 or so miles.
@Beliserius1 that cause the zubr is a evf in 90% of respects it land on the shore itself. yes it drives right up on the beach. Whos firing the anti-ship missiles people not likely. Aircraft then it has sam defense same as ships do(Electronic Countermeasures System: Decoys, MS227 chaff launcher, ESM: Tool Box; intercept 2 SA-N-5 "Grail" quad launchers & 2x 30mm rapid fire cannons). on the flip side whats a EFV got too stop a 9M133 Kornet thats right nothing. then what are 30mm & rockets for?
Before the Zubr would reach the shore, it would've been spotted by just about everyone.
Zubr is NOT in the same category as EFV. Zubr is an LCAC. It drops the troops off, NOTHING MORE.
I have NO doubt the Zubr in a one on one fight against an EFV, the Zubr would win. But so would the LCS, the Arleigh burke, the Ticonderoga. But NONE of them are designed to fight INLAND. NONE.
It is simply too big of a target to launch a surprise invasion, something EFV is designed for.
@Beliserius1 WW2 had the biggest surprise invasion of them all no matter how big you are you can surprise them. It primary role is too drop forces off that can go inland and do a better job then a EFV can. the the t-90 or the bmp3. The Zubr once again can fight inland as half it weapons are designed too and even provide medium range support something the EFV can't. Yes a bigger ship would make short work of a Zubr but on the beach minus a dug in column of MBT Nothing competes with it.
WW2 had limited abilities to acquire intel. Today, any competent defense force will be able to detect the Zubr the moment it nears the beach, and deploy countermeasures.
Zubr won't be actively fighting in the field once it has dropped off the troops, it is too big of a target. Not even navy destroyers dare venture within line of sight of a hostile beach.
@Beliserius1 True radar or observation planes may see it coming. i say may because Israel hacked the enemy radar and feed a blank screen on one of their attacks. So surprise or ruse is always has a chance. The zubr top speed is 63 knots = 72.4991052 mph. This faster then any MBT or EQ too carrier them. In sort as long as you attack a point as far from their tank force which as is a far as the Zubr can be seen then you Drop off before they get their in today's world. If the trips 1 way it would.
@Beliserius1 Then as far as air-force the Zubr can fight some but if you attacking a second world country and up you better have at least 1 carrier near or a helicopter carrier at least. The EFV has these same flaws minus 1 or 2 may go unnoticed. Though 10+ will be noticed and sonar net will see them very easy yet not a Zubr as easy though.
EFVs advantages are surprise attacks. You don't launch a surprise attack with a full battalion. The over the horizon capability is very important for this.
Zubrs are NOT designed to fight inland. Stop comparing it to APCs or MBTs.
@Beliserius1 It's was compared for a surprise attack. How are you gonna stop a zubr if your airforce has been defeated MBT & Arty of course. the zubr will return fire on most arty with it mid range rockets. verse MBT it best weapons is it own MBT it carries. yes the Zubr has over the horizon capability more so then the EFV for the 3rd time 300 miles vs water: 120 km (74 miles). meaning the ship it launched from has too less then 75 miles away. wile the barge you launch a zubr off of can be 300
@Beliserius1 The over all fact is the zubr better then EFV why it faster, more fire power and a hell of a lot bigger. Then as far as the the secondary role of IFV the BMP3 is better which the zubr can carry 9 to 10 of to the fight faster then a EFV can go. the main comparison here is the best landing vehicle. The EFV not even cheaper for as long as it been in development and the cost over runs.
@Beliserius1 Hmm amphibious armor personnel carrier vs Landing Craft Air Cushion. Wow all most the same thing in what they both do. That is carry troops to the shore and deploying them.
@Beliserius1 As for surprise attack you only need too go a shore at a unguarded beach head as the Zubrs moves faster then the armor column that could stop it. Then when they get their they are facing the Zubr and 3 t 90 plus 100+ troops or everyone gone from that location and the troop have been dropped off already.
@Beliserius1 The zubr weapons that can attack the human or tank on the beach are 2x30mm rapid fire cannons yes they shot down missiles too. the 122mm folding anti-personnel rockets or the 140 mm Ogon launchers also can attack tanks or troops.
Hows this not sinking though too you. hell 1x30 mm AK-630 would rip a EFV to shreds in seconds.
@Beliserius1 2. The Zubrs is adequate protection and firepower against any prepared forces. Strela-3 Portable Air Defense Missile System 4 x 4 launchers plus 32 Anti-Personnel missiles; or 2 SA-N-5 "Grail" quad launchers. 140 mm Ogon launchers 2 x 22 with 132 rockets; or 2 retractable 122mm rocket launchers. 30 mm AK-630 Air land Defense Gun Mount 2 x 6 with 6000 rounds, 3,000 rounds/min. 3. even if the zubr stuck on shore(finland) she still provides medium range support.
@Beliserius1 EFV land range is only land: 523 km (325 miles) water: 120 km (74 miles) meaning she still need a supply line like any army though yes less but she only carry's 17men vs 150 men and 10 IFVs or just 500 men.
Zubr is designed and operated as a SHIP, it takes troops from a HOME PORT, to a SHORE to unload, then it LEAVES. It's weapons are purely for defense in the intermediary stage where it is acting like a SHIP.
EFV is designed to be deployed from an LPD, which has a far longer strategic range than the Zubr, allowing far further from home operations. It is designed to deliver the troops to shore, and continue fighting from there.
this product is canceled putting Russian firmly in the lead in this field.
starknight97 1 year ago
The GenDyn program is now dead thanks to DD budget cuts.
Military Minute
DCBakerEsq60 1 year ago
@DCBakerEsq60 Yes obama good at canceling leading tech in the u.s. it like sabotaging the u.s. military power. When he should be clamping down and fixing the flaws. this includes. The EFV, F22, THEEL, Missile defense, FCS,And star-wars defense system against nuke attack. Then i bet he just getting started. The flip side the Zubr fleet is all in month balls as the Russian navy keeps 2 training Zubrs running and rest in storage yet they still build new one for orders like the Greek navy and china.
starknight97 1 year ago
That thing is FANTASTIC! I can't believe I just found this a year after it was uploaded!
Exactly my kind of thing!
YeahMF 1 year ago
@YeahMF Zubr faster
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97 It may be faster but it's not as well armoured.
The ZUBR doesn't have tracks either ;)
YeahMF 1 year ago
@YeahMF much more heavily armed and carry's 10 times as much. plus the 2 t-90 have much better armor inside the zubr
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97 the T-90 would have to make it to shore to be deployed. I think the skirt on a ZUBR is a weak spot. The ZUBR is larger and has more mass visable above sea level than the USMC, it also requires more energy to run.
I see how both vehicles could have their applications.
I'm not trying to say which is better only which I prefer.
Amphibious, Armoured, tracked vehicles appeal to me.
YeahMF 1 year ago
@YeahMF lol are you making the zubr and EFV fight. Yes the skirt weak but you have to tare 1 meter plus hole too stop it from working. With a 30 mm MK44 cannon or a 7.62 mm machine gun it not happening. Then true the EFV has more armor then a Zubr but it extra fire power far out weights the EFV. 32 Anti-Personnel missiles; or 2 SA-N-5 "Grail" quad launchers,140 mm Ogon launchers and 2x30 mm AK-630 air or ground.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97
Why not pit the Iowa against the LCS...
Why are you two making the most ridiculous comparison I've seen in a long time?
A 40 ton EFV vs a 400+ Ton LCAC.....??
They are designed for different tasks... let it go...
Beliserius1 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 Started out as the EFV was the best at it job as in shore landing deploying troops. they Wanted the the EFV too fight it thinking a skirt attack would kill it but you need high cal HE rounds our rockets at least. Though back too point it about the best landing and going on land platform. That's the Zubr LCAC even our LCAC pales compared too it. Though going back too this point the Iowa fail against a LCS ability to launch landing craft over all. In sort whats the best landing craft.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97
The LCAC is strictly a landing craft, it isn't designed to fight with the troops that it delivers.
The EFV is like the water equivalent to an infantry fighting vehicle. It will deliver the troops, and carry them on from there.
You two were essentially comparing a flat bed truck carrying tanks and a bradley.
Beliserius1 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 it can ride on land over 1 meter tall objects. it can go in land as far as you like minus it huge size. and has fire power for just that fighting both ground and sea vehicles. As a APC the EVF is great as IFV the bmp 3 is much better. as a landing system which is a EFV job the ZUBR is better in all ways.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97
EFV is more than a landing craft, ZUBR like all LCAC was never designed to take the fight inland, but only to unload the cargo. Heck, it is too big to fit in ANY amphibeous vessels, making logistics nightmarish for any mission of any significant distance from home.
EFV is the jack of all traits, while it isn't the best at performing any specific task, It's ability to perform remarkably well in all of it's tasks put it ahead of any other vehicle of it's type.
Beliserius1 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 If they needed though could make a LCAC to fit Zubrs. though you have too want to surpass our navy to do this. Fuel is costly for any ship. though the Zubr can go inland as far as you like till trees or homes get in the way. This is why she carries other armor on bored. EFV is a jack of all traits master of non though and way to costly with way too many over runs. Yes that why a IFV is NOT a MBT minus the Merkava of course. Ahh though the EFV does carry as many troops as most apcs.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97
-cont
Due to it's relative small size, an LPD could carry 20+ of these babies, several thousand miles away from home without ANY logistic issues.
US has landing crafts, they include LCUs, LCMs, and LCACs, ALL of which can be carried within the LPDs. Something the Zubr NEEDS to do if they are going to be used for more than just neighbor pushing.
Beliserius1 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 Not true if you want to fuel the zubrs on the go they act as sea going ships. With enough range too cross the barring straight. All u.s. landing crafts pale compared too the zubr. The LCU,LCM is boat that rams the shore line. The LCAC has 2 .5ocals for troop support & protection. A LPD is a navy item and Russians have cut their navy So easy win for us minus they just bought the french new helicopter carrier.The Zubr Will refuel 10 times launched from black sea a barge would work to
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97
The Zubr has less than 1000km range, no where near enough to do anything usefl other than shoving the neighbors around.
Neither the US LCACs or the Zubr were designed to fight with the marines, the weapons onboard the Zubr is only to defend itself at sea, much like what the LPDs weapons.
Zubr can go wherever she wants, but she won't REACH there easily, nor can she do anything useful inland.
BMPs will take for EVER to cross any large body of water.
Beliserius1 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 Unless you refuel moder ship even refuel minus nuk power ships. No they are 122mm anti personnel rockets the the 30mm are ati air land her weapons very much can shot land based weapons. She can still carry her load and fire her weapons in land. Not if they are on board the Zubr they cross fastest the EFV as the Zubr faster then a EVF. The Zubr it self rides onto the shore and can go over objects 1 meter high. True ship fighting not a factor hear unless you mean air-force.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97
Let me break it down to another example.
An Infantry Fighting Vehicle, like the bradley doesn't have the firepower of an Abrams Tank, or a Stryker MGS.
Nor does it have the protection of a MBT, nor the carrying capacity of an APC. It also doesn't have the speeds of a Humvee.
Despite all that, it performs the best at it's job, and that is to perform ALL the above adequately.
Same as the EFV. It isn't designed as a landing craft, it is designed to fill the role of AAV.
Beliserius1 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 SO what are you saying is it job? is landing Craft was my first thought, which makes zubr better, IFV which makes the BMP3 better, APC she pretty(17 troops) good at. Most troop 6 wheelers have little armor. MBT she not even in the running for. IF its the AAV replacement then that landing craft marine APC. Zubrs still better at that Even if it cost more too run.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97
Here is a scenario, Marines are planning a beach invasion against Iraq in an unspecified location. The nearest home base is several thousand miles away. How will the Zubr get there? An fleet of tankers escorting it?
The EFV is designed to deliver troops to shore from beyond the horizon so it would not alert the enemy. Further, after the troops have landed, they could simply use it to fight on inland
Beliserius1 1 year ago
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@Beliserius1 True though you used Iraq as a country all that sand the zubr can go in land as far as she wants should have used Finland then the Zubr stopped at the shore line. She has heavy sort medium support weapons and missiles. Then it's 10 bmp3 IFV go any were they want after the beach is reached from way passed the horizon.
1. the Zubr also Beyond Line of Sight never needing a LPD.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97
Again, Zubr is not designed nor intended to fight with the infantry it deploys.
1. Zubr can deliver troops from beyond the horizon, but what vehicle can deliver the troops from Zubr to shore?
That is where the EFV type vehicles come in.
2. Zubr is the size of a small corvette, easy target for any anti-ship missiles.
3. EFV's aren't designed to be deployed from Port to the shore. It is NOT a ship, it is designed to be deployed 15-20km away from shore from LPDs.
Beliserius1 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 Right meaning the LPD still open too the same anti ship missiles. Yes the zubrs is designed operated as a ship and a LCU only better as it rides on to dry land. Like efv the efv can go into city's though the zubr can't yet it's 10 bmp3's,500 troops can or it 3 t90's can depends on it load out. A Zubr can be placed on a sea barge and tugged the hole ocean over and deploy right off the sea barge. Then like any standard ship you can keep refueling it ever 300 or so miles.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97
LPDs can deploy EFVs from beyond the horizon. Zubr doesn't have EFVs to deploy.
every 300 mile refueling is NOT effective.
Again, Zubr is a FAR larger target than the EFV is, it will be a hotspot for antiship missiles.
Nor is it designed or operated to fight WITH the troops.
How are you not getting this????
Beliserius1 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 that cause the zubr is a evf in 90% of respects it land on the shore itself. yes it drives right up on the beach. Whos firing the anti-ship missiles people not likely. Aircraft then it has sam defense same as ships do(Electronic Countermeasures System: Decoys, MS227 chaff launcher, ESM: Tool Box; intercept 2 SA-N-5 "Grail" quad launchers & 2x 30mm rapid fire cannons). on the flip side whats a EFV got too stop a 9M133 Kornet thats right nothing. then what are 30mm & rockets for?
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97
Before the Zubr would reach the shore, it would've been spotted by just about everyone.
Zubr is NOT in the same category as EFV. Zubr is an LCAC. It drops the troops off, NOTHING MORE.
I have NO doubt the Zubr in a one on one fight against an EFV, the Zubr would win. But so would the LCS, the Arleigh burke, the Ticonderoga. But NONE of them are designed to fight INLAND. NONE.
It is simply too big of a target to launch a surprise invasion, something EFV is designed for.
Beliserius1 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 WW2 had the biggest surprise invasion of them all no matter how big you are you can surprise them. It primary role is too drop forces off that can go inland and do a better job then a EFV can. the the t-90 or the bmp3. The Zubr once again can fight inland as half it weapons are designed too and even provide medium range support something the EFV can't. Yes a bigger ship would make short work of a Zubr but on the beach minus a dug in column of MBT Nothing competes with it.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97
WW2 had limited abilities to acquire intel. Today, any competent defense force will be able to detect the Zubr the moment it nears the beach, and deploy countermeasures.
Zubr won't be actively fighting in the field once it has dropped off the troops, it is too big of a target. Not even navy destroyers dare venture within line of sight of a hostile beach.
Beliserius1 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 True radar or observation planes may see it coming. i say may because Israel hacked the enemy radar and feed a blank screen on one of their attacks. So surprise or ruse is always has a chance. The zubr top speed is 63 knots = 72.4991052 mph. This faster then any MBT or EQ too carrier them. In sort as long as you attack a point as far from their tank force which as is a far as the Zubr can be seen then you Drop off before they get their in today's world. If the trips 1 way it would.
starknight97 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 Then as far as air-force the Zubr can fight some but if you attacking a second world country and up you better have at least 1 carrier near or a helicopter carrier at least. The EFV has these same flaws minus 1 or 2 may go unnoticed. Though 10+ will be noticed and sonar net will see them very easy yet not a Zubr as easy though.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97
EFVs advantages are surprise attacks. You don't launch a surprise attack with a full battalion. The over the horizon capability is very important for this.
Zubrs are NOT designed to fight inland. Stop comparing it to APCs or MBTs.
Beliserius1 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 It's was compared for a surprise attack. How are you gonna stop a zubr if your airforce has been defeated MBT & Arty of course. the zubr will return fire on most arty with it mid range rockets. verse MBT it best weapons is it own MBT it carries. yes the Zubr has over the horizon capability more so then the EFV for the 3rd time 300 miles vs water: 120 km (74 miles). meaning the ship it launched from has too less then 75 miles away. wile the barge you launch a zubr off of can be 300
starknight97 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 The over all fact is the zubr better then EFV why it faster, more fire power and a hell of a lot bigger. Then as far as the the secondary role of IFV the BMP3 is better which the zubr can carry 9 to 10 of to the fight faster then a EFV can go. the main comparison here is the best landing vehicle. The EFV not even cheaper for as long as it been in development and the cost over runs.
starknight97 1 year ago
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Beliserius1 1 year ago
DIFFERENT ROLES. YOU CANNOT SAY A LANDING CRAFT IS BETTER THAN AN AMPHIBEOUS APC.
You CANNOT say the C-5 Galaxy is Better than the M551 Sheridan because the C-5 can deploy M1 Abrams tanks.
Im done talking to you.
Beliserius1 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 No but i can say the C-5 is a better troop carrier then the LCAC because it can deploy tanks & troops and at a faster speed there to.
starknight97 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 Hmm amphibious armor personnel carrier vs Landing Craft Air Cushion. Wow all most the same thing in what they both do. That is carry troops to the shore and deploying them.
starknight97 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 As for surprise attack you only need too go a shore at a unguarded beach head as the Zubrs moves faster then the armor column that could stop it. Then when they get their they are facing the Zubr and 3 t 90 plus 100+ troops or everyone gone from that location and the troop have been dropped off already.
starknight97 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 The zubr weapons that can attack the human or tank on the beach are 2x30mm rapid fire cannons yes they shot down missiles too. the 122mm folding anti-personnel rockets or the 140 mm Ogon launchers also can attack tanks or troops.
Hows this not sinking though too you. hell 1x30 mm AK-630 would rip a EFV to shreds in seconds.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97
I will repeat this one last time.
EFV's job is to:
1. Deliver troops from Beyond Line of Sight onboard an LPD to shore quickly (landing craft)
2. Provide adequate protection and firepower against any unprepared forces (IFV/APC)
3. Allow the troops to utilize the EFV as an assault vehicle to fight further inland.(IFV)
With these specs, the EFV can operate thousands of miles away from home, without the need of a swarm of tankers and supply ships.
Beliserius1 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 2. The Zubrs is adequate protection and firepower against any prepared forces. Strela-3 Portable Air Defense Missile System 4 x 4 launchers plus 32 Anti-Personnel missiles; or 2 SA-N-5 "Grail" quad launchers. 140 mm Ogon launchers 2 x 22 with 132 rockets; or 2 retractable 122mm rocket launchers. 30 mm AK-630 Air land Defense Gun Mount 2 x 6 with 6000 rounds, 3,000 rounds/min. 3. even if the zubr stuck on shore(finland) she still provides medium range support.
starknight97 1 year ago
@Beliserius1 EFV land range is only land: 523 km (325 miles) water: 120 km (74 miles) meaning she still need a supply line like any army though yes less but she only carry's 17men vs 150 men and 10 IFVs or just 500 men.
starknight97 1 year ago
@starknight97
Once again, you are confusing the two roles.
Zubr is designed and operated as a SHIP, it takes troops from a HOME PORT, to a SHORE to unload, then it LEAVES. It's weapons are purely for defense in the intermediary stage where it is acting like a SHIP.
EFV is designed to be deployed from an LPD, which has a far longer strategic range than the Zubr, allowing far further from home operations. It is designed to deliver the troops to shore, and continue fighting from there.
Beliserius1 1 year ago