Jesus christ, Veganism is a mental disease, an obsession. We are omnivore’s not fucking herbivores. No matter how much shit you try and cumber up, you will never EVER be able to defeat the fact that we are omnivores and that we've been surviving 10000+ years on meat. Christ you can’t even eat honey or white sugar. We’ve been eating honey thousands of years and all of a sudden “oh its bad for you”. This shit is worst then scientology.
As human beings we're defined by our ability to go against the 'natural' way. If we did everything that was 'natural' we wouldn't be having this discussion right now because there would be no such thing as Youtube or computers for that matter. We thrive off questioning our natural instincts.
@outcastXVX "Now unless you have anything of substance to add to this "debat" then I think we are done here."
I suppose I could just declare victory and be done with it. But I somehow don't think you quite realize the hole you dug for yourself with this debate.
"The initial discussion was over a vegan diet change and now it could or couldn't sustain the worlds population"
Right now a Vegan diet change would cause mass starvation and malnutrition. In the future? Maybe it is possible.....
@rosepetal108 very minimal personal attack on your ideas. I could have gone have gone off and said you're a fat ass nerd who can never get laid etc etc as so many people do in debates but that's no way to debate someone else. Stooping down to that is something a 12 year old would do and that is no way to get your point across.
@rosepetal108 world hunger. I showed you how it indeed would be the opposite. Whether the current food supply is enough is irrelevant to our initial discussion.
@outcastXVX LMAO I see you like personal attacks. Well I suggest you educate yourself on the issues much better before you try personal attacks. Make sure your facts are correct and not just radical propaganda.
"Sometimes it is better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak and leave no doubt."
The world food production is plenty enough to feed every man woman and child of the world currently. When hunger exists it is because of socio political and economic factors.
@rosepetal108 the current number for worldwide grains being fed to animals is now 65 percent!) In emerging nations such as China, Egypt, Mexico and Thailand, the portion of arable land used to grow animal feed has increased since 1950 between threefold and thirtyfold, depending on the country
@rosepetal108 An acre of cereal produces five times more protein than an acre devoted to meat production; an acre of legumes (beans, peas, lentils) can produce 10 times more protein; leafy vegetables, 15 times more protein
not trying to be an antagonist but what do you think of plant life? plants fend off predators to the best of their ability suggesting that their 'goal' is survival and self preservation. is that not important?
@LordPlucky The earliest humans probably lived primarily on scavenging, not actual hunting. It is only estimated that homo-erectus began hunting only 1.8 million years ago and homo-sapiens only 0.2 million years.
@neosurrealist That's called food chain. And we don't need to eat 10kg of meat each day but keep up a balanced diet. If humanity would eat plants only we would have to add lots of soy to our diet which would not just end in many men loosing their fertility but most plants that make up for the 'loss of animal products' are dangerous to grow because they ruin the earth they grow on (desertification). You could still eat less meat from animals who eat grass which would be far more effective.
@CannibalTr0ll One acre of land can yield 30,000 pounds of carrots, 40,000 pounds of potatoes or 50,000 pounds of tomatoes. However, one acre of land can yield only 250 pounds of meat. So if you truly believe what you just posted then you should educate yourself further on this topic. A vegan diet done the right way will get you all that your body needs while cutting out bad things like trans fatty acids and 100% of bad cholesterol.
@outcastXVX LMAO That is so biased it isn't even funny. Those crops you mentioned don't even grow everywhere. Lots of land that can be used for certain animal raising cant even produce ANY of the vegetables you mentioned, and lots more ground could produce some but would be an ecological disaster.
Believe it or not if we had a switch and turned everyone on earth Vegan tomorrow, people would starve by the millions. Millions more would die slowly from diseases caused by poor nutrition.
@rosepetal108 Even the Council for Agriculture Science and Technology, a group comprised of people involved in animal agriculture, acknowledges that 10 billion people could be fed with the available crop land in America if everyone became vegan. Why? Depending on the animal in question, it takes from three to twenty pounds of vegetable protein to create one pound of animal protein. So re-think your logic and you will realize your ideas are moronic.
@rosepetal108 Meat-eating societies are the main cause of world hunger because they feed a disproportionate percentage of the world's crops to 60 billion land animals annually killed by the meat, dairy and egg industires worldwide and tens of billions of marine animals .—instead of 6.5 billion people on the planet! Do the math. You don't have to be Einstein to figure out this equation. Every 2-3 seconds some human (most likely a child) starves to death, while pigs and cows continually get fat.
@outcastXVX That is the brainwashing Vegan theory right down the line. However the theory has many flaws. The greatest flaw is that we don't produce right now enough food to feed the world. We do. There is plenty of food. Hunger is a socio economic and political problem, not a problem of supply.
Next glaring flaw is the the land being used to farm meat can be used for agriculture of the nutritional veggies needed to feed the world. It cant.
The famine relief model increasingly used by aid groups calls for giving cash or cash vouchers to the hungry to pay local farmers instead of buying food from donor countries, often required by law, as it wastes money on transport costs. That is because the food exists but some people are too poor to buy it. Further, a vegan diet is much harder and more expensive for under developed nations to produce.
Lastly, most those deaths you named are not from starvation. They are from malnutrion. The reason is because these children you speak of do actually eat. But they are not rich enough to buy a balanced diet. In effect they are on a forced and unbalanced "vegan" diet.
As I said before. Veganism is a luxury of the rich. We can go Vegan because we can find the variety of veggies needed to balance our diets. Poor people from under developed countries don't have that luxury.
@apoolaz@lonelyedgar@royalblowno@paranoidandroid34 all 4 of you are wrong and CannibalTr0ll is right. Even if he doesn't explain it well or give exactly the right reasons. If the world right now went strictly pure Vegan there would be mass malnutrition and starvation. World hunger is a socio economic political problem, NOT a problem of supply. We already produce far more food than is needed to feed the world, it is just that certain undeveloped areas cant afford a balanced diet.
@rosepetal108 I didn't say anything about hunger, I've just provided the number of plant food could be used directly instead of feeding animals. Needless to explain, how good it would be for the environment if we stop raising animals.
@apoolaz ====> "Needless to explain, how good it would be for the environment if we stop raising animals."
In some cases you are right. But on some ground it is better for the environment to raise grazing animals instead of raising grain. Uses pesticides and causes erosion, both are bad. Remember the dust bowl? If the plains were not tilled and only had grazers raised there, the damages would have been FAR FAR FAR less to the environment.
@rosepetal108 Studies suggest that even vegetarian diet is better for the environment, let alone vegan. Google for "Sustainability of meat-based and plant-based diets and the environment", for example, or "Diet and the environment: does what you eat matter?"
@apoolaz There are many types of Vegetarian diets. The main difference between Vegan and a strict vegetarian is the religious doctrine "ahimsa".
BTW a "meat based" diet is very unhealthy. As is a pure non-supplemented Vegan diet. The healthiest diet is a plant based diet with moderate amounts of certain animal products added. Ironically that is also the best for the environment too!
@apoolaz The problem is that in the western developed countries...especially USA....we take the worst from both types. Instead of leaving grasslands fallow and allowing grazing for a smaller but much higher quality meat and dairy, we use ground that could be usable for intensive vegetarian food production and raise corn and soy, then unnaturally force feed it to animals producing more but far lower quality meat. This is the worst possible diet and the worst possible for the environment.
@rosepetal108 A meat based diet is what the Inuit did. And wow, they live and are healthy. Most vegans get serious health problems after a few years of being vegan.
Btw, a 'raw meat only' diet based on fresh meat and organs has all the vitamins, nutrients and so on you need to be healthy while it is hard to control your intake on a plants-only diet.
@Mupyeong =====> "A meat based diet is what the Inuit did."
yeah and pretty much anyone except Inuit will slowly die on that diet too. The Inuit diet is the exception that proves the rule. It is called adaption to extreme environmental conditions. That doesn't happen in one generation.
What I said does apply to the rest of us though.
The healthiest natural diet in general is a mostly plant based diet with small to moderate amounts of animal products.
@rosepetal108 Extreme adaptions don't happen overnight but have to have a biological base. Moreover, using supplements will cause things like a breakdown in your immune system, are made through chemistry industry, end up making chemical garbage and so on. The natural diet is - even for monkeys - eat meat whenever you get it but never ever try to overlook vegetables as they are a highly valuable part of our omnivorous and naturally best diet.
@Mupyeong I agree with you somewhat. However you are wrong about what should be the bulk of your diet. Veggies are by far the primary nutritional source with a small amount of certain animal/insect for best health.
It is far more likely to have nutritional ill effects from too much meat than too much veggies.
As for supplements, that depends entirely on where and how and from what they are produced.
@rosepetal108 Ah, it was just a little bit dramatic. For a balanced diet we need a small amount of meat, a little bit more animal products and the rest should be plants and water. That's basically what it should look like. Though for the supplements... it is true. It would be somewhat futuristic to live solely on supplements, but as supplements are 'just one' nutrient, they have to be made chemically and still cause health problems. That's it. But I can agree with parts of what you said.C:
@rosepetal108 Though the human body still has far more problems digesting plants. It is proven that we digest meat better because the nutrients are in a form we can digest better. That's also why we often find plant parts in human stool and no meat. :/ Though veggies are an effective and low fat method to balance the diet since we don't burn as much fat anymore and don't have long hunger periods.
@apoolaz Those studies are a 100% paid for by vegan and vegetarian organizations. Eating plants only would throw the earth off balance through desertification and other problems that come with the need for more plants. We would have to make more fields to change them constantly, make lots of fertilizers which often come hand in hand with chemical waste if not taken from animals on farms and so on.
@CannibalTr0ll What are you talking about? Producing meat takes more land, water, and grains. Not to mention it's horrible for the environment. To feed livestock, we grow grain and feed it to them- in the US, about half of our grain goes towards animal feed. If everyone was vegetarian, the environment would be better off, the animal would be better off, nutritionally no one would be worse off, and we could feed MORE people. Seriously. Do your research.
@apoolaz@lonelyedgar@royalblowno@paranoidandroid34 Wrong again, from a world view. Best example I can give is China after their communist revolution. The were ordered at all costs to produce grain (mostly rice but other grains in dryer areas), even if the land was not suited to growing food crops. What resulted was hunger as China couldn't feed itself. Once Chinese farmers were allowed to run their farms and ranches in a way they knew for centuries, they became a net exporter again.
It's funny how most studies show how healthy and boosting vegetables/fruits/legumes/nuts are to your health, but pass me that carcass, Mmmm carcass...
@royalblowno ===> "It's funny how most studies show how healthy and boosting vegetables/fruits/legumes/nuts are to your health"
It is true. If you eat too few of these it is not healthy. So for the rest of us in well developed countries, lowering meat consumption and increasing vegetable consumption is good. BUT the starving child with nothing but a bowl of rice would get the same benefit from a bit of milk eggs fish or meat to add to his rice. He just can't afford it.
@CannibalTr0ll Everything you said is the opposite of truth. We could feed all of the hungry people on earth if we cancelled all factory farms in America and replaced that land with grain crops, there would be a significantly smaller about of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere (methane from cows from factory farms is one of the biggest contributors to greenhouses gases. Methane is worse the CO2), and the animals wouldn't need to suffer relentlessly as they do in FF's. Watch EARTHLINGS. Search YT
@SuperAnimalDrummer ==>"We could feed all of the hungry people on earth if we cancelled all factory farms in America"
Total BS propaganda. We already produce more than enough food to feed everyone on the planet. World Hunger is a socio economic political problem, NOT a problem of supply.
Don't you think that starving boy with a bowl of rice would love to have just a small piece of meat milk or eggs to mix with it? He simply can't afford it. He is on a forced Vegan diet and it is killing him.
That's the propaganda. Unfortunately it isn't true.
Exactly what happened in the 1930's was converting prairie lands suitable for grazing into wheat (and other grains) production. This caused the single worst ecological disaster in USA history. It was called the dust bowl.
@rosepetal108 Not to mention how unhealthy meat is. All cholesterol is derived from animal products. Heart disease is epidemic and caused by America's overconsumption of meat. Obesity is a huge problem because of the saturated fat in meat and over-proliferation of fast food chains in poorer sections of our nation. We eat far too much eat as a nation, because companies make profit, and cause animal suffering beyond your imagination. All of these statistics and figure pail when put in light of....
@SuperAnimalDrummer "Heart disease is epidemic and caused by America's overconsumption of meat. "
Not just America, but I do agree. Over consumption of meat is bad. Vegan takes one extreme to the other. The real healthiest is a balanced diet, not extremes.
"the reality of factory farming"
Agreed again. Factory farming is bad for health, bad for the environment and also cruel for the animals. That doesn't mean Vegan is the only solution though.
@rosepetal108 the reality of factory farming, and the conditions that animals endure in order to bring fat americans their food. It is a holocaust, no less. If you can't watch it, then don't argue for the increase of meat production. We already ahve FAR too much meat in this world, and that land would be better used for harvesting grain, fruits, or vegetables, and more efficient. Have you watched videos on youtube, such as "Farm to Fridge," or "Earthlings?" Watch those, or don't argue.
@rosepetal108 Propoganda? For who? Where are you getting your information? Do you have any links? I a m interestd. No, I don't think a boy would like a small piece of meat, necessarily.. What he needs are vegetables, fruit, grains. There are other ways to get protein and essential amino acids. meat is expensive and un necessary. Using land for food animals is a highly inefficient use of that land, and could feed more people if converted to grain. That is not arguable. (post 1 of 3)
@SuperAnimalDrummer "Using land for food animals is a highly inefficient use of that land,"
Depends on the land. Sometimes you do more ecological damage to the land farming it as apposed to ranching it.
"That is not arguable."
That is arguable, because the problem is distribution and economics, not supply.
In actuality converting all food production to only Vegan doctrine worldwide would actually cause epic hunger and mass starvation worldwide. Not all countries have even the option.
@CannibalTr0ll Learn to eat fermented foods newb and compost to renew nitrogen/carbon in soil. Nitrogen is found in green plants, scraps of fruits and vegetables; carbon, thin cardboard, paper, newspaper, napkins, brown plants, wood, prunings and more.
@CannibalTr0ll "It takes more land to raise vegetables and grains than it does to raise animals." The problem is that in order to raise animals, you have to raise vegetables and grains to feed them.
@backwoodsmods I actually grew up in Alberta. I had plenty of exposure to agribusiness and ranching. I was also training to do meat cutting.
Meat is one of Canada's biggest export industries. The biggest buyer of meats internationally is the USA. USA imports more meat than it produces.
Although your anecdote is nice, USA does not really depend on family run "real farms in the south" as it's prime producers, it depends on international industrial producers.
what happen is that for centuries our parents and grandparents ans so on from back in the days teach us meat is good for you meat have the only nutriend that vegetables cannot give you alone so people get that in their mind and it keeps spreading that way and people just keep repeating same o same o,my advice get informed look at the vegetarin pyramid experiment for a week see how you feel if you are really interested in becomming one,get support on line etc.
@ruthomom Number one; periods please. Number two; all I remember my parents and grandparents saying was "eat your vegetables". You put words in people's mouth gtfo.
@CannibalTr0ll Nobody is putting words on no ones mouth,and dont worry about the periods i am trying to get a point here i am not trying to teach grammar.i remember people be like u sick have a chicken soup,this comes from way back i use to eat meat i know and if you want to eat meat you eat it,i am against animal cruelty thinks are not like before,the industry doesnt care they just want money,they put steroids,hormones they dont care about your health,i believe you have a choice.
@MarmaladeMonster If everyone was vegetarian: There would be starvation because pound for pound it takes more land to raise vegetables and grains than it does to raise animals.The price of vegetables would go sky high and if you lived in an area that has winter it would be hard to get them then.There would be medical problems because people would either rely on supplements or die early to lack of protein,and you do NOT get enough protein from spinach because you need A LOT of spinach to get 100c
@CannibalTr0ll Animals raised for meat require much more plant food to grow than we do. You can have 10,000 calories worth of a grain and feed a starving child for at least a week, or feed a cow for maybe two days... So instead of feeding the grain to thousands of people, you feed a cow born to be eaten, and get enough meat fo feed 1 family.
Nuts, seeds, sprouts, nutrionaly yeast, vegetables, grains, legumes, beans and more all have protein. Only plant protein is good for you.
Try chewing through raw hide or meat that wasn't tenderized, and bone if you think you're an animal...for teeth just look at diagrams of herbivores/carnivores/omnivores molar count etc in comparison.
All of our characteristics match that of a herbivore/frugivore nature; the stomach acid (e.g salmonella e.coli) true meat eaters don't die from that kind of bacteria, the length of our intestines, our teeth and sweat glands, eyes, hands* not claws, and saliva.
Notice how he conceads his argument at the very begining. "A vegan diet is perfectly healthy for you." So that means, a person who chooses to eat meat is just a dick supporting the tourture/slaughter of billions of helpless non-human animals.
@KakashiTheAnon Pretty much, you summed it up very well. Except the dick part, meat eaters are simply unaware, and not yet enlighten, not really their fault, for most anyway.
Not everyone is cruel...only some that aren't living the animal's life. If you had to, you might have a different opinion about the world being cruel.
@veryangelic1 ok....and yu have every right to be vegan, but yu dont have the right to think of yur self a being superior, and discriminating against me because im different from yu and i eat meat, thats why alot of people refer to vegans as plant nazies because of there oppressive behavior
A couple things to say here: 1. You forget the very important fatty acid DHA. This fatty acid is the main fat component in your brain and sperm. The only vegan source is a specific type of algae. However this amino acid is extremely common in meats (highest source or the fatty acid is in eel). 2. Milk, I agree is a horrible way to get calcium, not only because of lack of magnesium, but because of the form of calcium that it is (calcium lactate) which is extremely hard for your body to absorb.
@joe848484 cont. 3. You may be able to get Vitamin B-12 through a vegan means, but it may not be what you were asking for. The synthetic version, which is cyanocobalamin, when purified to that form, contains small amounts of cyanide. The best B-12 is cobalamin, however this can only be found in animal sources. 4. Stay away from soy milk and any other non-fermented soy product as it is horrible for you. If you wish to stay vegan, or simply do not wish to drink cow's milk drink almond milk. End
@joe848484 Yeah. If you are going full vegan, DHA is something worth looking into. There is no known negative effects of DHA deficiency. But i would definitely reccomend a good supplement for pregnant and breastfeeding mothers just to be safe. (DHA supplements do work.)
@neosurrealist Supplements break your immune system down! And they are made through chemicals and I don't know what and make up for a whole lot of chemical waste. And they're expensive and don't make up for the optimal intake of the nutrient in question. BTW Vegan and vegetarian diets are bad for children and vegan and vegetarian mommies are taking on a whole lot of risks when breastfeeding their children because of their diet.
ignorance is bliss... meat milk whey has 18 essential and non essential amino acids this protein is very important and even more if you workout at the gym youll need depending of you weight 1~2 grams of protein per pound of body weight (soy protein is the worst protein a man can take)
Because a human consuming the milk of a cow is natural isn't it, WHAT ELSE WOULD IT BE FOR?!?! Seriously, humans are the only species that continues to drink milk post infancy, and the only one that consumes it from another species...natural?? Think again.
do you have any tips for going vegan?? or maybe links to some good websites. I'm 20 now, and live on my own. I suck at cooking. So i don't want to make things that are too difficult for now. I'm finding it hard to go vegan at the moment, but I really want to try. However, I'm only doing this for health reasons. i'm definitely not an activist and will continue buying whatever clothing I like. Thank you.
@truth2748 No, i don't look at it as a diet.... I just want to do it for health, cos I've heard that people have cured eczema this way. I have vegan friends, so I know what Veganism means. Honestly I don't give a shit about eating meat, and I don't feel guilty about it. I also don't give a shit about what I wear, whether it comes from an animal or not. I just want to try going vegan for a few months, and see if it helps my eczema, or if it just makes me feel better, like people say.
@dani69petrov hahahaha Dani, you're so gay. you trying to find videos i've commented on now?! pathetic. ps: you'll never find out where i live, cos you're retarded.
You're right about it not being natural. I don't agree about it not being healthy. The vegans I know, as opposed to the meat-eaters, are much more health conscious, making sure they get nutrients. But I would agree that humans are naturally omnivores. That being said, I am vegan . . . first & foremost, out of political choice. Even if it were true that veganism is nutrient deprivation, it would be worth it to me to NEVER again, even vicariously, contribute to the torture of non-human animals.
@wrenbrrd I know some vegans that eat healthy and I also know some that aren't. Also, theoretically milk and eggs can be produced in very humane conditions. (Conditions more humane than animals in nature would be getting.)
Dude, when you get a degree in nutrition come and see me. Until then stop talking about what you've only skimmed the surface of. I've been a vegan for 26 years and get everything, repeat, everything, from a vegan diet. Vitamin D is available in supplements for vegans and is freely available from the sun. B12 grows on the skins of vegetables and fruit and is readily abundant in nutritional yeast. All of the amino acids our bodies require can be found in the plant kingdom. So, do your research.
Veganism is a moral code more than a choice of diet... And that is the core of why people hate vegans. Plus, do you know how many delicious foods contain milk and eggs? If the government were a cookbook, this would be anarchy.
I just can't agree with "fortification" I think if your not getting everything you need from a completely natural diet then your not doing it right. There is no question about what our oldest ancestors ate.... they were hunter gatherers before anything else and needed the meat the killed to live. If they turned vegan non of us would be here today.....(not knowing how or why) they would all die. Look in the right places and we ate each other let alone the animals. The only reason it can even be
We were probably BUILT for the veggies, and MEAT is the sub. To us, it just looks visa versa, cause we are used to meat.
MEAT EATERS NOBODY is forcing you to be Vegan, why do you have to comment on this and go crazy. Keep eating meat it's your choice. Your killing millions, hurting the earth, AND your body. So good luck with that.
Good video man. Your heads up to meat eaters about how they themselves should loook at their own diet to see if they're getting enough nutrients b/c they're lacking enough whole grains and dark leafy veggies is spot on. However, what about those who do eat meat but also tons of whole grains, veggies fruits? What do you say to those people ? Not fair to assume that just b/c someone eats meat that they're diet is meat-based. It may only be 15% meat based. What do you say to those people?
PLUS, the calcium in green leafy vegetables is LESS bioavailable due to the presence of oxalates, which bind to the calcium and make it precipitate out of aqueous solution. As in, you can't absorb it. Vitamin B12 in candy? Did you seriously just recommend that? Fortification is an "effective" way to get nutrients if you aren't eating a varied, whole foods diet. Any nutritionist will tell you that while fortified foods are better than nothing, the nutrient is more bioavailable in natural foods.
@DextervonSchumann - not all leafy green vegetables. You are forgetting asian leafy greens.
B12 used to be available in many food sources until recently when the western world has become obsessed with sanitization and sterilization. There is even B12 in rainwater, but hardly ever is it in processed or packaged food.
Well, to be honest I'd rather have to include eggs and milk in my diet (which I do) than risk death due to bacterial infection, but there are some cases where over-sterilization is indeed a concern, such as allergies, but I don't think this is one of them since perfectly good solutions exist.
Fair call. I'd hate to get something like brucellosis too. I'm not anti-sterilisation/sanitation, just saying the B12 issue is really not one about diet as much as one about food handling.
lol at your body storing amino acids in muscle. The amino acids ARE the muscle. If you consider your body cannibalizing your muscle as it just taking it out of "storage", you're a fool. Also, you're an idiot for saying that the protein in chicken and eggs is inabsorbable. Like, is this a joke video? I'm a vegetarian but this is absolutely terrible. This is absolutely ridiculous. PLEASE NO ONE LISTEN TO THIS MAN.
Breakfast: Oats w/ Milk Glass of orange Juice Snack1: Piece of Fruit Lunch: whole Wheat pasta w/ meat sauce (usually Turkey Based) Post Workout:Chocolate milk or Whey Shake w/ milk Dinner: Dark greens (Broccoli Spinach etc) & meat (Mainly Chicken, Turkey, Pork or fish...and beef once a week) If i am hungry after Dinner i snack on Nuts I weigh 155lbs I run a Sub 6 mile Deadlift 355lbs Resting Heart rate is in the Mid 50's I tried cutting meat and my body couldn't recover fast enough
@spikeyeyerish You could always eat spinach which is considered to be a a "natural steroid." It increases the manufacturing of muscle protein by 20 per cent, but you have to eat at about an average of 2 lbs to achieve this. Then again there are always other vegetables than could accompany it to increase results. Meat could also accompany in some ways if you prefer of course.
America is so obsessed with food. If you eat only plant matter and feel fine:AWESOME. If you eat only meat and dairy and feel fine: AWESOME. How bout we all stop acting like little faggots and tolerate everybody's personal choices? I know there are kids in Africa who would LOVE to devour the steak I'm cooking tomorrow. Some of those kids would LOVE the tossed salad I'm making to go with that steak. Only difference between the two is I have the luxury of choosing what I eat. They don't.
@TheRadar77 That's the problem, thanks to meat eating those kids don't have food. Animals eat plants but the nutrition you get from animals is less than the half you put in to it. If we could use these plants to feed those kids, everyone would have food.
@BrittanyER86 LMFAO. Obviously some insecure 16 year old that bags on other people for being strong enough to resist the disgusting temptation of chewing on dead animals, because you obviously can't handle it yourself, dumbfuck.
And aside from the point, here's a fun fact: If you name your kid Brittany she will automatically turn out to be a bratty, flaming douchebag. :]
@NocturnalCucumber I'm a married 24 year old college student with a 4.0 GPA. I cannot resist the "disgusting" temptation of meat, because it is a completely natural part of life, and I don't have isecurities or obsessions about things that are normal and completely healthy as long as you excercise and use moderation. I'd rather be a douchebag than a fairy emo who is afraid of a fucking hamburger.
hah. this isnt a lifestyle. from the way all these psychos express themselves, veganism seems more like some kind of cult. at least this guy in the vid isnt ranting on and on about animal cruelty. thats one of a kind
You're right dude. They all scream protein and b12 without realizing how deficient their own diets are. I'm a vegan and I realize my diet may be low in some nutrients which is why I take vitamins. Most meat eaters just blindly eat without even considering what they put in their bodies and then call vegans unhealthy!
What we need is more people capable of critical thinking instead of just being spoon fed lies and believing them without question. People need to wake up and stop eating shit.
now this is one video i liked. he knows what he is talking about.
i have never eaten beef, i never liked other meat, i did give it a shot. i am a born vegetarian. i am managing fine. i guess it helps that i have access to fresh, organically grown (in my own farm) veggies :)
fuck vegans u aint makin no difference just lookin like a faggot. and who ever said since they have been vegan they have been pooping everyday, hahaha dude i eat so much meat and shit like 3 times a day. probly cuz eatin meat puts hair on ur nuts instead of replacing them with a pussy!
@fonzosajew Don't think I agree with that. I can't speak for everyone, but I for one like having pussy on my nuts and on my dick and my face, Don't mind a blow job every now and then neither and occasionally a bit of anal (Just female though, I ain't a fag).
You can keep your hairy nuts mate. Me I'm defo a pussy man! And a vegan to boot!! LOL
This whole debate reminds me of a Woody Allen quote.
"You can live to be 100 if you give up all the things that make you want to live to be 100."
Steak is good, I don't care if it's good for me. Tofu tastes like someone pulled it straight out of the garbage half-eaten. The way I look at it is the quicker my body shuts down, the better. I'm going straight to hard drugs as soon as I'm terminally ill anyway.. I won't feel it.
@rapsody bahahaha I've always said the same thing, as soon as I become too old and crippled I'm gonna start taking all the drugs possible. And I will die very high and happy.
@rapsody Do you not see how that is a terribly selfish and indulgent lifestyle? By all means, dig yourself and early grave if you want, but one of the points of veganism is that meat-eating *does not* only affect you. It severely affects the animals you contribute to enslaving and destroying. If you are going to ravage your body, do so at the expense of yourself, and no other sentient beings. It's the cool thing to do.
You enslave and destroy vegetables, they are living creatures as well.. but because they do not have brains to process the pain they do experience.. you think that is somehow more humane than eating another animal. I simply disagree. I don't bug you about the food you eat, so leave me alone to eat mine. I don't support torturing animals.. but I do support eating them.
as a vegan, after watching the video that this is a response to, my blood was boiling. everything he said was total bs and he even acted like a dick head. then i watched your video and i got the biggest, dorkiest smile on my face. thank you :) and you're way cute. so that helps <3
Myth #3: Our needs for vitamin D can be met by sunlight.
"It is widely believed that one's vitamin D needs can be met simply by exposing one's skin to the sun's rays for 15-20 minutes a few times a week. Concerns about vitamin D deficiencies in vegetarians and vegans always exist as this nutrient, in its full-complex form, is only found in animal fats which vegans do not consume and more moderate vegetarians only consume in limited quantities due to their meatless diets." Same site as below.
"Myth #2: Vitamin B12 can be obtained from plant sources.
Of all the myths, this is perhaps the most dangerous. claims are made in vegan and vegetarian literature that B12 is present in certain algae, tempeh (a fermented soy product) and Brewer's yeast. All of them are false as vitamin B12 is only found in animal foods. Brewer's and nutritional yeasts do not contain B12 naturally; they are always fortified from an outside source."
Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients, July 2000.
I've been a vegan for a year now and it makes me feel so good! I eat healthier than ever because i know i need to watch my nutrition on a vegan diet. I used to put butter and cheese on EVERYTHING, and going vegan has caused me to get over that addiction haha. Also I just love the feeling that I am not a part of animal cruelty.
Veganism is the praxis of abolishing speciesism in our lives. After years of studying ancient Hindu non theistic religions such as the Jainist, Donald Watson coined the word Vegan. He explained that a Vegan is someone who avoids all animal exploitation. It is the western version of Jainism. Jains have been practicing this(living with the rule of Ahimsa) since the 6th century BC. So, the simple answer is.. a Vegan is someone who avoids all animal exploitation. Thats it!.
you may have some valid points, however it is almost impossible for any human to get all the vitamins required in a daily basis, and almost everyone is laking something.
@neosurrealist It is because "Heavybootsofdeath" was unable to make a valid point. The only way he/she could demean you is to taunt you with the assumption that you are homosexual based on how you look.
@neosurrealist How is it easier to constantly have to find alternate forms of protein, when you're ignoring the very best source of protein out there? Cavemen ate fucking meat, dude. It's natural and normal. You think a bear or lion wouldn't eat you if it was hungry and had the chance?
@Heavybootsofdeath No offense, but what kind of argument is that? Look up the "ad hominem" logical fallacy, and stick to mature points if you have something to say. You must subscribe to the neanderthalic propaganda in the media telling us that "real men" eat meat, etc. It's 2001, let's enlighten ourselves, shall we?
@Heavybootsofdeath They don't want you to eat meat because they are an insecure cult of wanna-be's that need something to rally against because their bored with their lives. He is gay, he's got the emo fag hairdo to prove it. He probably cuts his wrists and listens to sad music while he eats his lettuce, soy and curd. He probably cries at night while he holds himself. "Meat sux and vegies rule". What is he a 13 year old fairy? GO, GO Power Rangers!!
It is quite amusing; these kids explaining science as if they studied it first hand, as if they were tutors or specialized on the subject. Quoting study after study to supposedly prove a theory that would ascertain their principles. Oh, you won't find personal knowledge based on experience here. Very amusing indeed. Copy and paste anyone?.
Jesus christ, Veganism is a mental disease, an obsession. We are omnivore’s not fucking herbivores. No matter how much shit you try and cumber up, you will never EVER be able to defeat the fact that we are omnivores and that we've been surviving 10000+ years on meat. Christ you can’t even eat honey or white sugar. We’ve been eating honey thousands of years and all of a sudden “oh its bad for you”. This shit is worst then scientology.
sod16 7 months ago
@sod16 THANK YOU! you are my hero, my personal hero!
Mupyeong 7 months ago
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"A quarter pound of beef raises insulin levels in diabetics as much as a quarter pound of straight sugar" (Diabetes care 7 (1984):465)
FruitarianSwimster 7 months ago
As human beings we're defined by our ability to go against the 'natural' way. If we did everything that was 'natural' we wouldn't be having this discussion right now because there would be no such thing as Youtube or computers for that matter. We thrive off questioning our natural instincts.
alexjakeholmes15 8 months ago 2
Debate* I apologize this has been posted with my phone.
outcastXVX 9 months ago
@rosepetal108 have anything of substance to add to this "debat" then I think we are done here.
outcastXVX 9 months ago
@outcastXVX "Now unless you have anything of substance to add to this "debat" then I think we are done here."
I suppose I could just declare victory and be done with it. But I somehow don't think you quite realize the hole you dug for yourself with this debate.
"The initial discussion was over a vegan diet change and now it could or couldn't sustain the worlds population"
Right now a Vegan diet change would cause mass starvation and malnutrition. In the future? Maybe it is possible.....
rosepetal108 9 months ago
@rosepetal108 with numerous examples on how cost effective and land efficient a vegan change could be. Now unless you
outcastXVX 9 months ago
@rosepetal108 The initial discussion was over a vegan diet change and now it could or couldn't sustain the worlds population. I've supplied you
outcastXVX 9 months ago
@rosepetal108 very minimal personal attack on your ideas. I could have gone have gone off and said you're a fat ass nerd who can never get laid etc etc as so many people do in debates but that's no way to debate someone else. Stooping down to that is something a 12 year old would do and that is no way to get your point across.
outcastXVX 9 months ago
@rosepetal108 world hunger. I showed you how it indeed would be the opposite. Whether the current food supply is enough is irrelevant to our initial discussion.
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@outcastXVX "Whether the current food supply is enough is irrelevant"
Really? World food supply is irrelevant to world hunger? Do you want to rephrase that so it makes some sense?
rosepetal108 9 months ago
@rosepetal108 personal attack? I think not. Do you forget how this "debate" started? You made the claim that an all vegan diet would lead to
outcastXVX 9 months ago
@outcastXVX "personal attack? I think not"
"your ideas are not only illogical but simply moronic. both"
I think that qualifies as a personal attack.
rosepetal108 9 months ago
@rosepetal108 that factual evidence being said your ideas are not only illogical but simply moronic. both
outcastXVX 9 months ago
@outcastXVX LMAO I see you like personal attacks. Well I suggest you educate yourself on the issues much better before you try personal attacks. Make sure your facts are correct and not just radical propaganda.
"Sometimes it is better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak and leave no doubt."
The world food production is plenty enough to feed every man woman and child of the world currently. When hunger exists it is because of socio political and economic factors.
rosepetal108 9 months ago
@rosepetal108 the current number for worldwide grains being fed to animals is now 65 percent!) In emerging nations such as China, Egypt, Mexico and Thailand, the portion of arable land used to grow animal feed has increased since 1950 between threefold and thirtyfold, depending on the country
outcastXVX 9 months ago
@rosepetal108 An acre of cereal produces five times more protein than an acre devoted to meat production; an acre of legumes (beans, peas, lentils) can produce 10 times more protein; leafy vegetables, 15 times more protein
outcastXVX 9 months ago
not trying to be an antagonist but what do you think of plant life? plants fend off predators to the best of their ability suggesting that their 'goal' is survival and self preservation. is that not important?
ariues 9 months ago
Ravi Shanker is vegetarian and he is almost 91 years old and still good health and still perform.
Billy Idol had weight problem and he became vegetarian or vegan and he is looking better.
zaxtor 10 months ago
@LordPlucky The earliest humans probably lived primarily on scavenging, not actual hunting. It is only estimated that homo-erectus began hunting only 1.8 million years ago and homo-sapiens only 0.2 million years.
Look at the Wikipedia page for hunter-gatherer.
neosurrealist 11 months ago
@backwoodsmods Sad cow tastes like happy cow to me. ROFL
CannibalTr0ll 11 months ago
@backwoodsmods If you honestly think your food tastes crappy because the cow was sad, then you are an idiot.
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CannibalTr0ll 11 months ago
@CannibalTr0ll "it takes more land to raise vegetables and grains than it does to raise animals."
I don't think you understand trophic levels.
If a mouse eats a half pound of grain in a year and a hawk eats six mice a day…
…we are that hawk in relation to eating animals.
Research trophic levels.
neosurrealist 9 months ago 2
@neosurrealist That's called food chain. And we don't need to eat 10kg of meat each day but keep up a balanced diet. If humanity would eat plants only we would have to add lots of soy to our diet which would not just end in many men loosing their fertility but most plants that make up for the 'loss of animal products' are dangerous to grow because they ruin the earth they grow on (desertification). You could still eat less meat from animals who eat grass which would be far more effective.
Mupyeong 7 months ago
@CannibalTr0ll One acre of land can yield 30,000 pounds of carrots, 40,000 pounds of potatoes or 50,000 pounds of tomatoes. However, one acre of land can yield only 250 pounds of meat. So if you truly believe what you just posted then you should educate yourself further on this topic. A vegan diet done the right way will get you all that your body needs while cutting out bad things like trans fatty acids and 100% of bad cholesterol.
outcastXVX 9 months ago
@outcastXVX LMAO That is so biased it isn't even funny. Those crops you mentioned don't even grow everywhere. Lots of land that can be used for certain animal raising cant even produce ANY of the vegetables you mentioned, and lots more ground could produce some but would be an ecological disaster.
Believe it or not if we had a switch and turned everyone on earth Vegan tomorrow, people would starve by the millions. Millions more would die slowly from diseases caused by poor nutrition.
rosepetal108 9 months ago
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@rosepetal108 Even the Council for Agriculture Science and Technology, a group comprised of people involved in animal agriculture, acknowledges that 10 billion people could be fed with the available crop land in America if everyone became vegan. Why? Depending on the animal in question, it takes from three to twenty pounds of vegetable protein to create one pound of animal protein. So re-think your logic and you will realize your ideas are moronic.
outcastXVX 9 months ago
@rosepetal108 Meat-eating societies are the main cause of world hunger because they feed a disproportionate percentage of the world's crops to 60 billion land animals annually killed by the meat, dairy and egg industires worldwide and tens of billions of marine animals .—instead of 6.5 billion people on the planet! Do the math. You don't have to be Einstein to figure out this equation. Every 2-3 seconds some human (most likely a child) starves to death, while pigs and cows continually get fat.
outcastXVX 9 months ago
@outcastXVX That is the brainwashing Vegan theory right down the line. However the theory has many flaws. The greatest flaw is that we don't produce right now enough food to feed the world. We do. There is plenty of food. Hunger is a socio economic and political problem, not a problem of supply.
Next glaring flaw is the the land being used to farm meat can be used for agriculture of the nutritional veggies needed to feed the world. It cant.
Veganism is a luxury of the rich.
rosepetal108 9 months ago
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The famine relief model increasingly used by aid groups calls for giving cash or cash vouchers to the hungry to pay local farmers instead of buying food from donor countries, often required by law, as it wastes money on transport costs. That is because the food exists but some people are too poor to buy it. Further, a vegan diet is much harder and more expensive for under developed nations to produce.
rosepetal108 9 months ago
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Lastly, most those deaths you named are not from starvation. They are from malnutrion. The reason is because these children you speak of do actually eat. But they are not rich enough to buy a balanced diet. In effect they are on a forced and unbalanced "vegan" diet.
As I said before. Veganism is a luxury of the rich. We can go Vegan because we can find the variety of veggies needed to balance our diets. Poor people from under developed countries don't have that luxury.
rosepetal108 9 months ago
@CannibalTr0ll According to Cornell University, grain used to feed livestock in US alone could feed 800 million people.
apoolaz 8 months ago
@apoolaz @lonelyedgar @royalblowno @paranoidandroid34 all 4 of you are wrong and CannibalTr0ll is right. Even if he doesn't explain it well or give exactly the right reasons. If the world right now went strictly pure Vegan there would be mass malnutrition and starvation. World hunger is a socio economic political problem, NOT a problem of supply. We already produce far more food than is needed to feed the world, it is just that certain undeveloped areas cant afford a balanced diet.
rosepetal108 7 months ago
@rosepetal108 I didn't say anything about hunger, I've just provided the number of plant food could be used directly instead of feeding animals. Needless to explain, how good it would be for the environment if we stop raising animals.
apoolaz 7 months ago
@apoolaz ====> "Needless to explain, how good it would be for the environment if we stop raising animals."
In some cases you are right. But on some ground it is better for the environment to raise grazing animals instead of raising grain. Uses pesticides and causes erosion, both are bad. Remember the dust bowl? If the plains were not tilled and only had grazers raised there, the damages would have been FAR FAR FAR less to the environment.
rosepetal108 7 months ago
@rosepetal108 Studies suggest that even vegetarian diet is better for the environment, let alone vegan. Google for "Sustainability of meat-based and plant-based diets and the environment", for example, or "Diet and the environment: does what you eat matter?"
apoolaz 7 months ago
@apoolaz There are many types of Vegetarian diets. The main difference between Vegan and a strict vegetarian is the religious doctrine "ahimsa".
BTW a "meat based" diet is very unhealthy. As is a pure non-supplemented Vegan diet. The healthiest diet is a plant based diet with moderate amounts of certain animal products added. Ironically that is also the best for the environment too!
rosepetal108 7 months ago
@rosepetal108 I have no objectives to what you say.
apoolaz 7 months ago
@apoolaz The problem is that in the western developed countries...especially USA....we take the worst from both types. Instead of leaving grasslands fallow and allowing grazing for a smaller but much higher quality meat and dairy, we use ground that could be usable for intensive vegetarian food production and raise corn and soy, then unnaturally force feed it to animals producing more but far lower quality meat. This is the worst possible diet and the worst possible for the environment.
rosepetal108 7 months ago
@rosepetal108 A meat based diet is what the Inuit did. And wow, they live and are healthy. Most vegans get serious health problems after a few years of being vegan.
Btw, a 'raw meat only' diet based on fresh meat and organs has all the vitamins, nutrients and so on you need to be healthy while it is hard to control your intake on a plants-only diet.
Mupyeong 7 months ago
@Mupyeong =====> "A meat based diet is what the Inuit did."
yeah and pretty much anyone except Inuit will slowly die on that diet too. The Inuit diet is the exception that proves the rule. It is called adaption to extreme environmental conditions. That doesn't happen in one generation.
What I said does apply to the rest of us though.
The healthiest natural diet in general is a mostly plant based diet with small to moderate amounts of animal products.
Supplements allow strict veggy.
rosepetal108 7 months ago
@rosepetal108 Extreme adaptions don't happen overnight but have to have a biological base. Moreover, using supplements will cause things like a breakdown in your immune system, are made through chemistry industry, end up making chemical garbage and so on. The natural diet is - even for monkeys - eat meat whenever you get it but never ever try to overlook vegetables as they are a highly valuable part of our omnivorous and naturally best diet.
Mupyeong 7 months ago
@Mupyeong I agree with you somewhat. However you are wrong about what should be the bulk of your diet. Veggies are by far the primary nutritional source with a small amount of certain animal/insect for best health.
It is far more likely to have nutritional ill effects from too much meat than too much veggies.
As for supplements, that depends entirely on where and how and from what they are produced.
rosepetal108 7 months ago
@rosepetal108 Ah, it was just a little bit dramatic. For a balanced diet we need a small amount of meat, a little bit more animal products and the rest should be plants and water. That's basically what it should look like. Though for the supplements... it is true. It would be somewhat futuristic to live solely on supplements, but as supplements are 'just one' nutrient, they have to be made chemically and still cause health problems. That's it. But I can agree with parts of what you said.C:
Mupyeong 7 months ago
@rosepetal108 Though the human body still has far more problems digesting plants. It is proven that we digest meat better because the nutrients are in a form we can digest better. That's also why we often find plant parts in human stool and no meat. :/ Though veggies are an effective and low fat method to balance the diet since we don't burn as much fat anymore and don't have long hunger periods.
Mupyeong 7 months ago
@apoolaz Those studies are a 100% paid for by vegan and vegetarian organizations. Eating plants only would throw the earth off balance through desertification and other problems that come with the need for more plants. We would have to make more fields to change them constantly, make lots of fertilizers which often come hand in hand with chemical waste if not taken from animals on farms and so on.
Mupyeong 7 months ago
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@Mupyeong Please, prove what you claim.
apoolaz 7 months ago
@CannibalTr0ll What are you talking about? Producing meat takes more land, water, and grains. Not to mention it's horrible for the environment. To feed livestock, we grow grain and feed it to them- in the US, about half of our grain goes towards animal feed. If everyone was vegetarian, the environment would be better off, the animal would be better off, nutritionally no one would be worse off, and we could feed MORE people. Seriously. Do your research.
lonelyedgar 8 months ago
@apoolaz @lonelyedgar @royalblowno @paranoidandroid34 Wrong again, from a world view. Best example I can give is China after their communist revolution. The were ordered at all costs to produce grain (mostly rice but other grains in dryer areas), even if the land was not suited to growing food crops. What resulted was hunger as China couldn't feed itself. Once Chinese farmers were allowed to run their farms and ranches in a way they knew for centuries, they became a net exporter again.
rosepetal108 7 months ago
@CannibalTr0ll Damn trolls...no one's dumb enough to believe that try harder...
royalblowno 8 months ago
It's funny how most studies show how healthy and boosting vegetables/fruits/legumes/nuts are to your health, but pass me that carcass, Mmmm carcass...
royalblowno 8 months ago
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rosepetal108 7 months ago
@royalblowno ===> "It's funny how most studies show how healthy and boosting vegetables/fruits/legumes/nuts are to your health"
It is true. If you eat too few of these it is not healthy. So for the rest of us in well developed countries, lowering meat consumption and increasing vegetable consumption is good. BUT the starving child with nothing but a bowl of rice would get the same benefit from a bit of milk eggs fish or meat to add to his rice. He just can't afford it.
rosepetal108 7 months ago
@CannibalTr0ll wow, you're actually an idiot. i think it is you that needs to think more, please...
paranoidandroid34 7 months ago
@CannibalTr0ll thankyou!!!!
ninjadude1021 7 months ago
@CannibalTr0ll Everything you said is the opposite of truth. We could feed all of the hungry people on earth if we cancelled all factory farms in America and replaced that land with grain crops, there would be a significantly smaller about of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere (methane from cows from factory farms is one of the biggest contributors to greenhouses gases. Methane is worse the CO2), and the animals wouldn't need to suffer relentlessly as they do in FF's. Watch EARTHLINGS. Search YT
SuperAnimalDrummer 6 months ago
@SuperAnimalDrummer ==>"We could feed all of the hungry people on earth if we cancelled all factory farms in America"
Total BS propaganda. We already produce more than enough food to feed everyone on the planet. World Hunger is a socio economic political problem, NOT a problem of supply.
Don't you think that starving boy with a bowl of rice would love to have just a small piece of meat milk or eggs to mix with it? He simply can't afford it. He is on a forced Vegan diet and it is killing him.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
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SuperAnimalDrummer 6 months ago
@SuperAnimalDrummer ===> "and replaced that land with grain crops"
That's the propaganda. Unfortunately it isn't true.
Exactly what happened in the 1930's was converting prairie lands suitable for grazing into wheat (and other grains) production. This caused the single worst ecological disaster in USA history. It was called the dust bowl.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Not to mention how unhealthy meat is. All cholesterol is derived from animal products. Heart disease is epidemic and caused by America's overconsumption of meat. Obesity is a huge problem because of the saturated fat in meat and over-proliferation of fast food chains in poorer sections of our nation. We eat far too much eat as a nation, because companies make profit, and cause animal suffering beyond your imagination. All of these statistics and figure pail when put in light of....
SuperAnimalDrummer 6 months ago
@SuperAnimalDrummer "Heart disease is epidemic and caused by America's overconsumption of meat. "
Not just America, but I do agree. Over consumption of meat is bad. Vegan takes one extreme to the other. The real healthiest is a balanced diet, not extremes.
"the reality of factory farming"
Agreed again. Factory farming is bad for health, bad for the environment and also cruel for the animals. That doesn't mean Vegan is the only solution though.
"Propoganda?" Yes, 1/2 truths = propaganda
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 the reality of factory farming, and the conditions that animals endure in order to bring fat americans their food. It is a holocaust, no less. If you can't watch it, then don't argue for the increase of meat production. We already ahve FAR too much meat in this world, and that land would be better used for harvesting grain, fruits, or vegetables, and more efficient. Have you watched videos on youtube, such as "Farm to Fridge," or "Earthlings?" Watch those, or don't argue.
SuperAnimalDrummer 6 months ago
@rosepetal108 Propoganda? For who? Where are you getting your information? Do you have any links? I a m interestd. No, I don't think a boy would like a small piece of meat, necessarily.. What he needs are vegetables, fruit, grains. There are other ways to get protein and essential amino acids. meat is expensive and un necessary. Using land for food animals is a highly inefficient use of that land, and could feed more people if converted to grain. That is not arguable. (post 1 of 3)
SuperAnimalDrummer 6 months ago
@SuperAnimalDrummer "Using land for food animals is a highly inefficient use of that land,"
Depends on the land. Sometimes you do more ecological damage to the land farming it as apposed to ranching it.
"That is not arguable."
That is arguable, because the problem is distribution and economics, not supply.
In actuality converting all food production to only Vegan doctrine worldwide would actually cause epic hunger and mass starvation worldwide. Not all countries have even the option.
rosepetal108 6 months ago
@CannibalTr0ll Learn to eat fermented foods newb and compost to renew nitrogen/carbon in soil. Nitrogen is found in green plants, scraps of fruits and vegetables; carbon, thin cardboard, paper, newspaper, napkins, brown plants, wood, prunings and more.
kincaid99 6 months ago
@CannibalTr0ll "It takes more land to raise vegetables and grains than it does to raise animals." The problem is that in order to raise animals, you have to raise vegetables and grains to feed them.
hummusandfeta 5 months ago in playlist Vegans Unite!
@backwoodsmods I actually grew up in Alberta. I had plenty of exposure to agribusiness and ranching. I was also training to do meat cutting.
Meat is one of Canada's biggest export industries. The biggest buyer of meats internationally is the USA. USA imports more meat than it produces.
Although your anecdote is nice, USA does not really depend on family run "real farms in the south" as it's prime producers, it depends on international industrial producers.
neosurrealist 11 months ago
what happen is that for centuries our parents and grandparents ans so on from back in the days teach us meat is good for you meat have the only nutriend that vegetables cannot give you alone so people get that in their mind and it keeps spreading that way and people just keep repeating same o same o,my advice get informed look at the vegetarin pyramid experiment for a week see how you feel if you are really interested in becomming one,get support on line etc.
ruthomom 1 year ago
@ruthomom Number one; periods please. Number two; all I remember my parents and grandparents saying was "eat your vegetables". You put words in people's mouth gtfo.
CannibalTr0ll 11 months ago
@CannibalTr0ll Nobody is putting words on no ones mouth,and dont worry about the periods i am trying to get a point here i am not trying to teach grammar.i remember people be like u sick have a chicken soup,this comes from way back i use to eat meat i know and if you want to eat meat you eat it,i am against animal cruelty thinks are not like before,the industry doesnt care they just want money,they put steroids,hormones they dont care about your health,i believe you have a choice.
ruthomom 11 months ago
Yet another vegan cocksucker.
leafyutube 1 year ago
Seriously, why do humans have such a hard time understanding you can get more than enough vita D from the sun??
And 1 Cup Kale has more calcium than 1 C milk :)
100 calories of spinach has over 2x the protein than a cheeseburger
Veganism is the healthier choice, abd thanks for all the info, I learned a lot ^-^
MarmaladeMonster 1 year ago
@MarmaladeMonster Celery seeds 1700 mg of calcium.
truth2748 1 year ago
@MarmaladeMonster If everyone was vegetarian: There would be starvation because pound for pound it takes more land to raise vegetables and grains than it does to raise animals.The price of vegetables would go sky high and if you lived in an area that has winter it would be hard to get them then.There would be medical problems because people would either rely on supplements or die early to lack of protein,and you do NOT get enough protein from spinach because you need A LOT of spinach to get 100c
CannibalTr0ll 11 months ago
@CannibalTr0ll Animals raised for meat require much more plant food to grow than we do. You can have 10,000 calories worth of a grain and feed a starving child for at least a week, or feed a cow for maybe two days... So instead of feeding the grain to thousands of people, you feed a cow born to be eaten, and get enough meat fo feed 1 family.
Nuts, seeds, sprouts, nutrionaly yeast, vegetables, grains, legumes, beans and more all have protein. Only plant protein is good for you.
MarmaladeMonster 11 months ago
I can tell that you are true to your word. You are focused and very passionate about what you talk about. Thanks!
harboroflight 1 year ago
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Try chewing through raw hide or meat that wasn't tenderized, and bone if you think you're an animal...for teeth just look at diagrams of herbivores/carnivores/omnivores molar count etc in comparison.
All of our characteristics match that of a herbivore/frugivore nature; the stomach acid (e.g salmonella e.coli) true meat eaters don't die from that kind of bacteria, the length of our intestines, our teeth and sweat glands, eyes, hands* not claws, and saliva.
Just my opinion, but there is a lot.
royalblowno 1 year ago
Notice how he conceads his argument at the very begining. "A vegan diet is perfectly healthy for you." So that means, a person who chooses to eat meat is just a dick supporting the tourture/slaughter of billions of helpless non-human animals.
KakashiTheAnon 1 year ago
@KakashiTheAnon Pretty much, you summed it up very well. Except the dick part, meat eaters are simply unaware, and not yet enlighten, not really their fault, for most anyway.
truth2748 1 year ago
Not everyone is cruel...only some that aren't living the animal's life. If you had to, you might have a different opinion about the world being cruel.
veryangelic1 1 year ago
Thanks, but only one little problem...this nazi isn't vegan...fail!
veryangelic1 1 year ago
but who want to just survive off just needs, thts not much of a life at all...the world is cruel get use to it
SEEequalsTHREE 1 year ago
@SEEequalsTHREE It doesn't have to be! The point is, a vegan diet is 10 times more healthy than a meat eater's diet! ;)
veryangelic1 1 year ago
@veryangelic1 ok....and yu have every right to be vegan, but yu dont have the right to think of yur self a being superior, and discriminating against me because im different from yu and i eat meat, thats why alot of people refer to vegans as plant nazies because of there oppressive behavior
SEEequalsTHREE 1 year ago
A couple things to say here: 1. You forget the very important fatty acid DHA. This fatty acid is the main fat component in your brain and sperm. The only vegan source is a specific type of algae. However this amino acid is extremely common in meats (highest source or the fatty acid is in eel). 2. Milk, I agree is a horrible way to get calcium, not only because of lack of magnesium, but because of the form of calcium that it is (calcium lactate) which is extremely hard for your body to absorb.
joe848484 1 year ago
@joe848484 cont. 3. You may be able to get Vitamin B-12 through a vegan means, but it may not be what you were asking for. The synthetic version, which is cyanocobalamin, when purified to that form, contains small amounts of cyanide. The best B-12 is cobalamin, however this can only be found in animal sources. 4. Stay away from soy milk and any other non-fermented soy product as it is horrible for you. If you wish to stay vegan, or simply do not wish to drink cow's milk drink almond milk. End
joe848484 1 year ago
@joe848484 In my first comment, end of 4th line I wrote amino, when clearly it should be fatty. Fatty Acid*
joe848484 1 year ago
@joe848484 Yeah. If you are going full vegan, DHA is something worth looking into. There is no known negative effects of DHA deficiency. But i would definitely reccomend a good supplement for pregnant and breastfeeding mothers just to be safe. (DHA supplements do work.)
neosurrealist 1 year ago
@neosurrealist Supplements break your immune system down! And they are made through chemicals and I don't know what and make up for a whole lot of chemical waste. And they're expensive and don't make up for the optimal intake of the nutrient in question. BTW Vegan and vegetarian diets are bad for children and vegan and vegetarian mommies are taking on a whole lot of risks when breastfeeding their children because of their diet.
Mupyeong 7 months ago
so basically u like dick? thats wat ur saying right?
fonzosajew 1 year ago
anthropocentricity
wrenbrrd 1 year ago
WATCH EARTHLINGS. STOP EATING MEAT. VEGANS ARE HEALTHIER.
cydlys 1 year ago
ignorance is bliss... meat milk whey has 18 essential and non essential amino acids this protein is very important and even more if you workout at the gym youll need depending of you weight 1~2 grams of protein per pound of body weight (soy protein is the worst protein a man can take)
PureBrutalSickness 1 year ago
@PureBrutalSickness "ignorance is bliss" INDEED.
truth2748 1 year ago
@truth2748 exactly you are ignorant xD thats why you only said that and not a argument against what a said..
PureBrutalSickness 1 year ago
Because a human consuming the milk of a cow is natural isn't it, WHAT ELSE WOULD IT BE FOR?!?! Seriously, humans are the only species that continues to drink milk post infancy, and the only one that consumes it from another species...natural?? Think again.
OxiDemonik 1 year ago
do you have any tips for going vegan?? or maybe links to some good websites. I'm 20 now, and live on my own. I suck at cooking. So i don't want to make things that are too difficult for now. I'm finding it hard to go vegan at the moment, but I really want to try. However, I'm only doing this for health reasons. i'm definitely not an activist and will continue buying whatever clothing I like. Thank you.
queerp 1 year ago
@queerp One suggestion, find out the meaning of Veganism first, you seem to believe Veganism is a diet.
truth2748 1 year ago
@truth2748 No, i don't look at it as a diet.... I just want to do it for health, cos I've heard that people have cured eczema this way. I have vegan friends, so I know what Veganism means. Honestly I don't give a shit about eating meat, and I don't feel guilty about it. I also don't give a shit about what I wear, whether it comes from an animal or not. I just want to try going vegan for a few months, and see if it helps my eczema, or if it just makes me feel better, like people say.
queerp 1 year ago
@queerp You are not going Vegan, you are simply adopting a plant base diet, you are not a Vegan, based on the standards set by the Vegan society.
truth2748 1 year ago
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@truth2748 ok, whatever... that's fine with me. i don't give a fuck. I just want to know how to eat that way.
queerp 1 year ago
@queerp FUCK YOU
dani69petrov 1 year ago
@dani69petrov hahahaha Dani, you're so gay. you trying to find videos i've commented on now?! pathetic. ps: you'll never find out where i live, cos you're retarded.
queerp 1 year ago
You're right about it not being natural. I don't agree about it not being healthy. The vegans I know, as opposed to the meat-eaters, are much more health conscious, making sure they get nutrients. But I would agree that humans are naturally omnivores. That being said, I am vegan . . . first & foremost, out of political choice. Even if it were true that veganism is nutrient deprivation, it would be worth it to me to NEVER again, even vicariously, contribute to the torture of non-human animals.
wrenbrrd 1 year ago
@wrenbrrd I know some vegans that eat healthy and I also know some that aren't. Also, theoretically milk and eggs can be produced in very humane conditions. (Conditions more humane than animals in nature would be getting.)
neosurrealist 1 year ago
Dude, when you get a degree in nutrition come and see me. Until then stop talking about what you've only skimmed the surface of. I've been a vegan for 26 years and get everything, repeat, everything, from a vegan diet. Vitamin D is available in supplements for vegans and is freely available from the sun. B12 grows on the skins of vegetables and fruit and is readily abundant in nutritional yeast. All of the amino acids our bodies require can be found in the plant kingdom. So, do your research.
rawmark 1 year ago
Veganism is a moral code more than a choice of diet... And that is the core of why people hate vegans. Plus, do you know how many delicious foods contain milk and eggs? If the government were a cookbook, this would be anarchy.
Virginityrocks 1 year ago
I just can't agree with "fortification" I think if your not getting everything you need from a completely natural diet then your not doing it right. There is no question about what our oldest ancestors ate.... they were hunter gatherers before anything else and needed the meat the killed to live. If they turned vegan non of us would be here today.....(not knowing how or why) they would all die. Look in the right places and we ate each other let alone the animals. The only reason it can even be
pimpingonecrazy 1 year ago
done is because we live a global community where products can travel the world.....or be stored for long amount of time.
pimpingonecrazy 1 year ago
and do you have a deficient braind...........logic the vegan-frutivor ist TOATL NATURAL AND HEALTHY ......
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jesussuperstar1 1 year ago
How do you guys know veggie are a sub for meat.
We were probably BUILT for the veggies, and MEAT is the sub. To us, it just looks visa versa, cause we are used to meat.
MEAT EATERS NOBODY is forcing you to be Vegan, why do you have to comment on this and go crazy. Keep eating meat it's your choice. Your killing millions, hurting the earth, AND your body. So good luck with that.
Tweedledumish 1 year ago
Good video man. Your heads up to meat eaters about how they themselves should loook at their own diet to see if they're getting enough nutrients b/c they're lacking enough whole grains and dark leafy veggies is spot on. However, what about those who do eat meat but also tons of whole grains, veggies fruits? What do you say to those people ? Not fair to assume that just b/c someone eats meat that they're diet is meat-based. It may only be 15% meat based. What do you say to those people?
carmexsd4 1 year ago
PLUS, the calcium in green leafy vegetables is LESS bioavailable due to the presence of oxalates, which bind to the calcium and make it precipitate out of aqueous solution. As in, you can't absorb it. Vitamin B12 in candy? Did you seriously just recommend that? Fortification is an "effective" way to get nutrients if you aren't eating a varied, whole foods diet. Any nutritionist will tell you that while fortified foods are better than nothing, the nutrient is more bioavailable in natural foods.
DextervonSchumann 1 year ago
@DextervonSchumann - not all leafy green vegetables. You are forgetting asian leafy greens.
B12 used to be available in many food sources until recently when the western world has become obsessed with sanitization and sterilization. There is even B12 in rainwater, but hardly ever is it in processed or packaged food.
TheJayfa 1 year ago
@TheJayfa
Well, to be honest I'd rather have to include eggs and milk in my diet (which I do) than risk death due to bacterial infection, but there are some cases where over-sterilization is indeed a concern, such as allergies, but I don't think this is one of them since perfectly good solutions exist.
DextervonSchumann 1 year ago
@DextervonSchumann
Fair call. I'd hate to get something like brucellosis too. I'm not anti-sterilisation/sanitation, just saying the B12 issue is really not one about diet as much as one about food handling.
TheJayfa 1 year ago
lol at your body storing amino acids in muscle. The amino acids ARE the muscle. If you consider your body cannibalizing your muscle as it just taking it out of "storage", you're a fool. Also, you're an idiot for saying that the protein in chicken and eggs is inabsorbable. Like, is this a joke video? I'm a vegetarian but this is absolutely terrible. This is absolutely ridiculous. PLEASE NO ONE LISTEN TO THIS MAN.
DextervonSchumann 1 year ago
spikeyeyerish 1 year ago
@spikeyeyerish You could always eat spinach which is considered to be a a "natural steroid." It increases the manufacturing of muscle protein by 20 per cent, but you have to eat at about an average of 2 lbs to achieve this. Then again there are always other vegetables than could accompany it to increase results. Meat could also accompany in some ways if you prefer of course.
cavemanfarts 1 year ago
xoxo, thanks for an intelligent response.
Ally86Cify 1 year ago
America is so obsessed with food. If you eat only plant matter and feel fine:AWESOME. If you eat only meat and dairy and feel fine: AWESOME. How bout we all stop acting like little faggots and tolerate everybody's personal choices? I know there are kids in Africa who would LOVE to devour the steak I'm cooking tomorrow. Some of those kids would LOVE the tossed salad I'm making to go with that steak. Only difference between the two is I have the luxury of choosing what I eat. They don't.
TheRadar77 1 year ago
@TheRadar77 That's the problem, thanks to meat eating those kids don't have food. Animals eat plants but the nutrition you get from animals is less than the half you put in to it. If we could use these plants to feed those kids, everyone would have food.
Corebyheart 1 year ago
Vegans are giant pussies.
BrittanyER86 1 year ago
@BrittanyER86 LMFAO. Obviously some insecure 16 year old that bags on other people for being strong enough to resist the disgusting temptation of chewing on dead animals, because you obviously can't handle it yourself, dumbfuck.
And aside from the point, here's a fun fact: If you name your kid Brittany she will automatically turn out to be a bratty, flaming douchebag. :]
NocturnalCucumber 1 year ago
@NocturnalCucumber I'm a married 24 year old college student with a 4.0 GPA. I cannot resist the "disgusting" temptation of meat, because it is a completely natural part of life, and I don't have isecurities or obsessions about things that are normal and completely healthy as long as you excercise and use moderation. I'd rather be a douchebag than a fairy emo who is afraid of a fucking hamburger.
BrittanyER86 1 year ago
hah. this isnt a lifestyle. from the way all these psychos express themselves, veganism seems more like some kind of cult. at least this guy in the vid isnt ranting on and on about animal cruelty. thats one of a kind
FlamingFury5 1 year ago
@FlamingFury5 Lol, I agree. Me being a vegetarian, yeah, some people just go way over their heads.
NocturnalCucumber 1 year ago
Thou shalt not kill! What do you think that means!?!
tenthousandyearsgoon 1 year ago
I do believe that plants have emotions also and shouldn't be mistreated. The more I love and talk to my plants, the more they grow.
No animal or plant should be mistreated.
at least cutting down on meat makes a statement and is a good way to protest. Also much more healthy with the guck they put into meat now of days.
picklesloveslight 1 year ago
Also you need Coenzyme Q10 which is higher in animal products by far. This protects your cells.
gojiberries1 1 year ago
vegans simply rule(:
yesenia8cereal 1 year ago 10
I am so happy to be vegan! :)
Obituary1306 1 year ago
Moral appeals to nature is a fallacy. The diseases are natural, do not try to avoid them! :P The 100% vegetarian feed is healthy, learn.
Respect other animals, become a vegan.
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respuestasveganas 1 year ago
simpley put eat youre fruits and vegies if you like meat eat it but dont overdo it.... :)
KILLERBUNNEY666 1 year ago
You're right dude. They all scream protein and b12 without realizing how deficient their own diets are. I'm a vegan and I realize my diet may be low in some nutrients which is why I take vitamins. Most meat eaters just blindly eat without even considering what they put in their bodies and then call vegans unhealthy!
What we need is more people capable of critical thinking instead of just being spoon fed lies and believing them without question. People need to wake up and stop eating shit.
raybinns 1 year ago
now this is one video i liked. he knows what he is talking about.
i have never eaten beef, i never liked other meat, i did give it a shot. i am a born vegetarian. i am managing fine. i guess it helps that i have access to fresh, organically grown (in my own farm) veggies :)
urasay2 1 year ago
fuck vegans u aint makin no difference just lookin like a faggot. and who ever said since they have been vegan they have been pooping everyday, hahaha dude i eat so much meat and shit like 3 times a day. probly cuz eatin meat puts hair on ur nuts instead of replacing them with a pussy!
fonzosajew 1 year ago
@fonzosajew Don't think I agree with that. I can't speak for everyone, but I for one like having pussy on my nuts and on my dick and my face, Don't mind a blow job every now and then neither and occasionally a bit of anal (Just female though, I ain't a fag).
You can keep your hairy nuts mate. Me I'm defo a pussy man! And a vegan to boot!! LOL
raybinns 1 year ago
@fonzosajew oh jees, another "hurrrr real men eat meat durrrrr" retard. Haven;t we evolved past you guys by now? lol
srgstgst 1 year ago 4
This whole debate reminds me of a Woody Allen quote.
"You can live to be 100 if you give up all the things that make you want to live to be 100."
Steak is good, I don't care if it's good for me. Tofu tastes like someone pulled it straight out of the garbage half-eaten. The way I look at it is the quicker my body shuts down, the better. I'm going straight to hard drugs as soon as I'm terminally ill anyway.. I won't feel it.
rapsody 1 year ago
@rapsody bahahaha I've always said the same thing, as soon as I become too old and crippled I'm gonna start taking all the drugs possible. And I will die very high and happy.
halo0o0o3 1 year ago
@rapsody Do you not see how that is a terribly selfish and indulgent lifestyle? By all means, dig yourself and early grave if you want, but one of the points of veganism is that meat-eating *does not* only affect you. It severely affects the animals you contribute to enslaving and destroying. If you are going to ravage your body, do so at the expense of yourself, and no other sentient beings. It's the cool thing to do.
srgstgst 1 year ago
@srgstgst
You enslave and destroy vegetables, they are living creatures as well.. but because they do not have brains to process the pain they do experience.. you think that is somehow more humane than eating another animal. I simply disagree. I don't bug you about the food you eat, so leave me alone to eat mine. I don't support torturing animals.. but I do support eating them.
rapsody 1 year ago
as a vegan, after watching the video that this is a response to, my blood was boiling. everything he said was total bs and he even acted like a dick head. then i watched your video and i got the biggest, dorkiest smile on my face. thank you :) and you're way cute. so that helps <3
DeadApostrophe 1 year ago
Myth #3: Our needs for vitamin D can be met by sunlight.
"It is widely believed that one's vitamin D needs can be met simply by exposing one's skin to the sun's rays for 15-20 minutes a few times a week. Concerns about vitamin D deficiencies in vegetarians and vegans always exist as this nutrient, in its full-complex form, is only found in animal fats which vegans do not consume and more moderate vegetarians only consume in limited quantities due to their meatless diets." Same site as below.
hemiller65 1 year ago
"Myth #2: Vitamin B12 can be obtained from plant sources.
Of all the myths, this is perhaps the most dangerous. claims are made in vegan and vegetarian literature that B12 is present in certain algae, tempeh (a fermented soy product) and Brewer's yeast. All of them are false as vitamin B12 is only found in animal foods. Brewer's and nutritional yeasts do not contain B12 naturally; they are always fortified from an outside source."
Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients, July 2000.
hemiller65 1 year ago
nope.
TrevynPlantard 1 year ago
Wrong, sorry.
TrevynPlantard 1 year ago
Great Video,,Thank you for posting it. Vegan RULES,,,and it is better for the environment. Anyone who says it is unheallthy is a moron.
and you DO look healthy !!!
courtneytufts 1 year ago 2
I've been a vegan for a year now and it makes me feel so good! I eat healthier than ever because i know i need to watch my nutrition on a vegan diet. I used to put butter and cheese on EVERYTHING, and going vegan has caused me to get over that addiction haha. Also I just love the feeling that I am not a part of animal cruelty.
Vegans save 100 animals a year!!!
sarahwallen 1 year ago 2
iv'e been vegan for 5 months now and im healthier than ive ever been+i poo everyday XD
noobHNTer 1 year ago 27
@noobHNTer I eat nothing but meat and I "poop" everyday too. Thanks for that little nasty bit of information. Are you potty trained too?
BrittanyER86 1 year ago
Veganism is the praxis of abolishing speciesism in our lives. After years of studying ancient Hindu non theistic religions such as the Jainist, Donald Watson coined the word Vegan. He explained that a Vegan is someone who avoids all animal exploitation. It is the western version of Jainism. Jains have been practicing this(living with the rule of Ahimsa) since the 6th century BC. So, the simple answer is.. a Vegan is someone who avoids all animal exploitation. Thats it!.
truth2748 1 year ago 2
you may have some valid points, however it is almost impossible for any human to get all the vitamins required in a daily basis, and almost everyone is laking something.
fawnhall75 1 year ago
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the guy talking doesn't look healthy.
carlpoisson 2 years ago
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ElledieWildAndFree 1 year ago
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So tell me, why should I not eat meat? Sounds like the greens are just a sub, so why should i go to the sub rather then meat?
Also, I gotta ask, are you gay? You look and sound gay.
Heavybootsofdeath 2 years ago
I think YOU should continue to eat meat. After all, I don't think your cognitive abilities will get any better.
truth2748 2 years ago
Since we can only assume what the original human diet was we are always only eating subs. It is easier to get all of the nutrients from plants.
Not gay but i kind of take your interpretation of my appearances as an offbeat compliment.
neosurrealist 2 years ago 10
@neosurrealist It is because "Heavybootsofdeath" was unable to make a valid point. The only way he/she could demean you is to taunt you with the assumption that you are homosexual based on how you look.
kineticpsi 1 year ago
@neosurrealist How is it easier to constantly have to find alternate forms of protein, when you're ignoring the very best source of protein out there? Cavemen ate fucking meat, dude. It's natural and normal. You think a bear or lion wouldn't eat you if it was hungry and had the chance?
BrittanyER86 1 year ago
@Heavybootsofdeath No offense, but what kind of argument is that? Look up the "ad hominem" logical fallacy, and stick to mature points if you have something to say. You must subscribe to the neanderthalic propaganda in the media telling us that "real men" eat meat, etc. It's 2001, let's enlighten ourselves, shall we?
srgstgst 1 year ago
@srgstgst
No.
Heavybootsofdeath 1 year ago
@Heavybootsofdeath They don't want you to eat meat because they are an insecure cult of wanna-be's that need something to rally against because their bored with their lives. He is gay, he's got the emo fag hairdo to prove it. He probably cuts his wrists and listens to sad music while he eats his lettuce, soy and curd. He probably cries at night while he holds himself. "Meat sux and vegies rule". What is he a 13 year old fairy? GO, GO Power Rangers!!
BrittanyER86 1 year ago
It is quite amusing; these kids explaining science as if they studied it first hand, as if they were tutors or specialized on the subject. Quoting study after study to supposedly prove a theory that would ascertain their principles. Oh, you won't find personal knowledge based on experience here. Very amusing indeed. Copy and paste anyone?.
truth2748 2 years ago