Joy Division: She's Lost Control

[auuluru]

I wish I was there.

[Fleshcucumber1]

@PunkAndFun; fyi = For Your Information....Capeesh?

[Fleshcucumber1]

@tinosteiner; you ARE an insane person...just a fyi

[PunkAndFun]

@Fleshcucumber1 What is a fyi?

[FireTheMarshall]

@PunkAndFun were you born in the stone ages nigga?

[PunkAndFun]

@FireTheMarshall No. Maybe i' m italian...

[e6e2e3e1]

Nobody can beat them. Nobody did so big music revolution as Joy Division.

[etnies10]

:58 wen the dancin starts it lookss soo creepy but AWESOME!

[njbification]

I lived in bowdon vale when this happened,it was actually called bowdon vale social club on vicarage lane and it was demolished some years back,now the site of a car park for the local mini supermarket.

[dave57917]

i bought a lot of joy division live bootleg lps in the 80s.this along with the amstrerdam gig was probably their best performances..it is a crime to music that theres not more early jd footage.

[Hwral]

Nah, not from 1978, but from Altrincham, March 1979. The oldest JD live gig footage around!

Runs a bit too fast, is a bit blurry and such, but people today are not always aware that amateur filming was very exceptional in those times.

This is unique material.

[GiglaGonashvili]

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[allanrobb]

They didnt play the Malt Shovels but played Bowden YC on 14th March 78, 14th March 79 and 23rd May 79 with A Certain Ratio. They also played the Check inn which i thibk is now Totties on 20th Nov 78.

[Nichtler]

Descansa en paz Ian curtis T_T

[castirondude]

ha! That little arm pumping dance is a timeless classic!

[almklit]

Did they play the Malt Shovels pub in Altrincham as well. Anyone know!

[DarrenC1991]

im from manchester.....

just like 20 years too late :(

[kusraback]

Great Band, Great voice, Great performance, Bad sound. Love JD.....

[lepopnoir]

Althrincham!

I am from Stockport, but I feel special to have been born around the area and time that these guys were about.

[chilledangel71]

Thank you so much for posting this, one of my favourite JD tracks for many reasons.... watched 'control' again just the other day,has me in tears every time... Ian Curtis,legend... RIP x

[BMGStammer]

have you ever seen the film "24 hour party people"?

[AtomicRooster77]

It is mentioned on the signifigance of their name, Joy Division refers to or about Jewish women to be taken as sex slaves during WW2.

[petros1479]

it is from "BOWDEN VALE YOUTH CLUB, ALTRINCHAM, CHESHIRE, UK, MARCH 14th, 1979.

"THE GADFATHERECORDS G.R. 209, THE YOUTH CLUB"

[dinoblackgrape]

pure excellence,and sadly missed R.I.P.Ian Curtis.

[johnnyb2001]

No way...I live really close to there. I think its called the bowden assembly rooms now...amazing to think they played there in their prime tho...If only I was born 15 years earlier...

[louisorleans]

Writers often cite Iggy/Velvets/Kraftwerk/Doors as JD's touchstones without mentioning the importance of Cleveland Ohio's Pere Ubu who's Manchester gig at Rafters in May 78 Joy Division attended influenced the sound greatly, check out the early Ubu stuff like Heart of Darkness and compare Hooky's bass sound with Tim Wright's.

Also Allen Ravenstines synth was massively key. Sadly Pere Ubu are often written out of history.

[killingtime15]

looked em up and yeah they do sound alot like joy division. they're great though, can't beleive they're from the mid-west in the mid70s

[roddy76to86]

Some c*nt stole his gravestone.

[ntipouan]

His songs are much better gravestones.

Best memorials for him than any damn stone.

[knownpleasures]

ya but thats beside the point...his grave was stolen!

[celebrant9]

Ansolutely stunning.

Rest in peace Ian

[kostaspaschalis]

Awesome track. Ian Curtis is a music genius

[gobshite77]

Where the fuck is this footage from? Ive got to have it!

[SapereRisin]

man, his voice resonance is awesome

[ciarankeavney]

i was at that

[frtazman]

I love Joy Division Curtis was a huge loss to world music when he departed us...

Seeing real raw live clips like this one reminds me how good they were!

[frtazman]

I love Joy Division Curtis was a huge loss to world music when he departed us...

Seeing real raw live clips like this one reminds me how good they were!

[karatelincoln123]

i didnt like 24 hour party people after the joy division stuff ended

[kodakstare]

Just saw the film Control loved it

Great band I just got into them a few months back

[funkymoped1]

bit late like lol amazing band

[joydivision19842]

me too mate

watched 24 hour party people

now can't get enough of them

control is a beautiful film

[tinosteiner]

Can I join this Joy division new fans club?

I saw control an started downloading Joy division songs like an insane person!

[joydivision19842]

yeah man

they are awesome

download the john peel sessions

unbelievable album

[udermermouchgradsky]

Just one of the most oustanding and brilliant band ever...

[udermermouchgradsky]

I do not consider Joy Division "punks"... this is not he point.

[lywingoth]

fucking A class!!!

[casbyhockeyballs]

big thanks to the poster. gave me a lot of pleasure. terrible waste. would have been the worlds biggest and most important band if that terrible event had not occured.

[JCJWS]

joy division where and will always be the greatest band in exist

[ishmaiden]

I love JD to death, but I'd never nay they were greater than a band like LED ZEPPELIN or even CREAM.

[edfonmontez]

what the fuck, do you know what your talking about, i think not. led zeppelin and joydivision are to completely different bands, led zep arent even the best in there genre

[ishmaiden]

They statment was about greatest bands in existance, dick. There was no mention about genres here. I'd take my knowledge of rock over your's any fucking day of the weak. Even JD would say they they couldn't match up on a pure talent level. Read the post before talking shit.

[ishmaiden]

the statement*

[edfonmontez]

therefore if led zep arent the best in there genre there is no way they are the best in existence, you should re-read my statement cock face, an you can take your rock knowledge over mine any day of the WEAK if you want, but id take mine over anyday of the WEEK. pure talent.

[ishmaiden]

Cockface? What are we 2 years old? I fuck up that word one word and you butcher your own language, so I dare call it even you daft cunt. FYI, I'm not putting down JD at all. I met Peter Hook last year while he was doing a Gig at Supperclub SF. He's good, but He'd never say that he was as talanted as Geezer Butler or Roger Glover.

[ishmaiden]

talented*

[ishmaiden]

I did read your post, but it had nothing to do with the posting that I responded to. This was a statement about JD being the greatest in "exist". I take that to mean existence, and there is no mention about being the best of British Indie, Post-Punk, Proto-Goth, or any other sub cats you want to bring up. There was not a mention of genres, needle dick. Is JD important, relevant, and critical to music? I'd say of course, but you have to be a fool to say they're the greatest.

[edfonmontez]

so im immature for saying cockface, and your not for saying needle dick. i see. so ive insulted your pride so now youe must insult my penis size

[ishmaiden]

Yes "YOUE" are a giant compared to me, you limey ass pirate. Now try to pull it out of your own as. I like the Smiths, but what kind of fag dares to put them anywhere near Van Halen or Floyd. I don't know what kind of imaginary Rock school you got your music education from, but I really doubt you've even heard VH 1, fair Warning, or 1984. You embarrass yourself by even putting puss Morrissey above Eddie Van Halen. One word: "Eruption"!

[edfonmontez]

the smiths lyrically and melodically are far better than the shitty ballad dross ejacualted by eddie van halen, end of

[ishmaiden]

End of what? And what ballads are you talking about? DLR lyrics were never his strength, but you are a complete idiot if you think they can match up sonically to the Van Halen Bros. and their legendary singers. Did you get your music history out of a Cracker Jack Box, because you sound like a complete fool? A Smiths song can be summed up as just a bunch of cuts about needing love because they're so depressed and meat is murder and so forth. The Cure do a better job and have greater reach.

[edfonmontez]

obviously morrisseys ironic sattire drifted straight over your head. Actually your right meat is murder what shitty lyrics, why didnt he think to write a song about jumping

[ishmaiden]

Are you one of those Brits that thinks the world of Rock was solely contained to the UK? Because I see a lot of that from wannabe Punk and Alternative fans there. It wasn't and punk was actually born in the US with acts like Iggy Pop and the Stooges, Lou Reed and Velvet Underground, the Ramones in NYC, plus many other acts that predated the Sex Pistols, the Clash or the Damned. Look up CBGB for God sakes man!

[edfonmontez]

i prefer the term english. so your one of those people who think that america invented punk. ill give you the three most influential punk bands, the ramones, the clash and the sex pistols holy shit as you stupid fucking yanks would say. two are english

[ishmaiden]

Idiot, it wasn't just the English that took up that genre. Scotts took it up and so did the Irish. You also don't do your homework, because punk didn't start in London or Manchester. The more you post the more you sound ignorant and like a child that doesn't know what came before him. And, of those bands you list, how many could actually play their instruments competently? The Pistols were important, but they were never around for more than 1 album. Sid didn't even play on the LP.

[edfonmontez]

you do realise what really started punks, an engglish political movement. yes cock end

[ishmaiden]

That's part of the story, but not the begining or the end of the story. Punk is for the wannabes that could never play in the first place. Like the blues and R&B, the Uk took it and made it their own thing, but it did not start there. By the by, I'm not a Yank, you Limey. I'm a Spic Jew, you ignorant twat.

[edfonmontez]

no punk was a movement in which those who couldnt play could play in this style, it was an arrogant aggressive style fll of energy, made to be shocking. and it followed on from a change in clothing by the youth, they changed there style in a "fuck the police/government" movement

[hrolfsson]

but the stooges were way ahead. you must know that...

The sex pistols even covered them.

[edfonmontez]

the stooges are still more of a rock band though.

[ishmaiden]

The US coined the term PUNK years before the UK bands ran with it. Sometimes it was just called street rock by some here. In the end, it's still all rock. It's just that some rock more than others and requires more skill and talent. Again you miss the fucking point, because you mentioned who were the titans of Punk, rather than actually tracing the history of the style. It was transplanted, but it is not of UK Origin, rather a continuation of something that was already running strong in NYC.

[ishmaiden]

To your credit, it was the infusion of native English politics that gave the genre its light in the sun and bite. T he 70's were not kind to the UK and the Empire was at its end, but the initial inspiration came from US Bands and British Artists who were listening to US Proto-punk bands. This has been part of the great Musical exchange that has taken place. Sounds start in the US, and then they get taken up by UK bands who export it back to the States. Just like the blues, R&B, and dance.

[pfishy69]

I have read your opinion on the history of Brit punk and later post punk and early Indie music that was prevelant in the late 1970s,you give a reasonably accurate account of what went on.The only point i would like to make is that the majority of KIDS at the time wernt listening to the NY Dolls or Stooges or even Iggy and then switching to JD as a Brit option.We were listening to Northern Soul.Bowie.Roxy.Kraftwerk.Dont listen to Malcolm Mcclaren or Google we wernt that cosmopolitan.

[ishmaiden]

Since you're a young fuck who probably hasn't had his balls drop just yet, I'd list a few bands I'd hope to rank as the most talented or greatest ever: Jimi Hendrix Experience, The Who, Rolling Stones, Van Halen, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Earth, wind and Fire, The Eagles, Megadeth, The Kinks, The Clash, U2, Deep Purple, Queen, Black Sabbath, GNR, Rainbow, DIO, Johnny Cash and the Tennessee 3, David Bowie with Mick Ronson, etc.. That's regardless of genre you wannabe know it all.

[edfonmontez]

van halen, no. u2, no. floyd and the smiths should be in there

[ishmaiden]

Another thing is if you even know jack shit about Led Zeppelin? Only Garth Brooks and the Beatles have close or better albums sales in history. They had 6 albums on the Billboard list's top 20 at the same time! So don't even try to school me.

[edfonmontez]

oh so album sales now dictate a good album, so rhianna or westlifes must be fucking superb cos there albums always sell by the truck load and are top 5. your a fucking posing queer

[ishmaiden]

The fact that these albums keep selling nearly 40 years later is a great indicator of how good these albums are. I have all the LPs, box sets and reissues, so I'm not a JD hater, but the band even says that they had make the sounds they did in JD and NO due to the fact they were limited in their musical abilities. This part of the reason they went more electronic and went the dance route. I love the sound, but I'd never say they were the "greatest in existence" as per the previous post.

[kraeze]

yeah, if you haven't seen it, go see "Control" biopic of Ian Curtis

[cizbul]

thats right.

[Generalignorant]

Was there that night as a 15 year old I remember it so clearly, was a school night too.

[NinetiesYouth]

holy shit

[RedHotandFleaFan]

A Great band and It's sad that Ian curtis hang himself. I think that Joy Division could be one of world best and legendery band (and world most famuos post punk band ,of course)

[1988MUZ]

he can dance

[optimusjprime]

fatzooma and richgreen9,

both of u guys talk as if u knew what music is. richgreen9, you mentioned music but cmon. where can u find lyrics like ian has written. apperently your scope of nerstanding is at the same low level as fatzooma. Joy Division is on the ranks of the ones u mentioned. Actually, they are part of the whole manchester scene, go learn some music history.

[Antics12]

hahaha and a small little band called Interpol that every fukin person is comparing them to

Interpol is fukin great they are not Joy Division

ic considered Joy Division realy damn depressing Interpol not quite there yet

[fatzooma]

This is the worst music i have ever heard and thats a fact.

[tibohibj]

Then fuck off and listen to Justin Timberlake then, you muppet.

[edfonmontez]

wait, in another post you say the smiths,the verve etc are all past it, yet your profile i full of the jam and the sex pistols, are you retarded or just stupid

[AlonsoLegend]

Man the intimacy of this venue is fantastic, anyone who has seen a band they love at a small venue, such as I, will tell you there is no other way to do it. These guys are so far ahead of their time it is amazing, listen to the inspiration they have given to bands, right now most notably The Editors.

[norcolad]

And would you believe Tony Wilson has died today???! Fuck...

Explain to me what quality music is Richgreen? you fucking clown...

[richgreen9]

Quality music- Elvis,Stones,dylan,who,Hendrix­,Led Zep,sabbath,jam,U2,smiths,rose­s,mondays,verve,oasis,strokes,­killers,arctics,view,kings of leon...... All respected artists by the vast majority of the music industry. As oppossed to a cult band of average talent elivated to 'legend' by obsessive anal freaks most of which harbour serious personality defects.

[norcolad]

Fair enough... sorry for the previous, was a bit emotional and unnecessary. The thing I would say is that being a respected artist (including the excellent bands mentioned above) is ok, but Celine Dion is a respected artist

[norcolad]

The thing with J D is that it felt more like art in motion than artist going through the motions - a tragedy unfolding and the clues were / are there in the music and lyrics (the band, admitted they have lived with guilt for not spotting) and there is something staggeringly real, as though he isn't performing to anyone but himself - it wasn't about developing a hero worship attitude. Their magic was about being as close to opening his soul rather than stylised. In my humble opinion!

[fatzooma]

Terrible music!!! But richgreen,i believe it is you that harbours the personality defect!You quote bands that have long since past their sell by date!I suggest you stick to internet gambling or someother benal way of passing your sad little existance and leave hi-brow debate to real tubers such as norclad and yours truly the fatzooma.

[tibohibj]

To richgreen: Find 10 informed music journalists/producers/artists and 9 of them will tell you JD rocks. How can you say the have no critical acclaim? It's critics and journos that kept their legend alive - they were almost unknown when Ian died.

[edfonmontez]

joy division are avery respected artist, the view and the arctic monkeys are mediocore bands elivated to legend status by posing indy kids like you, who read n.m.e and think that because a band sells lots of albums it is automatically good

[norcolad]

What I'd give to say I was at this gig... In Altrincham of all places! Richgreen, you've a lot to learn ya goon...

[norcolad]

Fucking brilliant...

[dhurley05]

Enjoy division

[mpapapao]

They influenced everybody who makes music, probably Big Snoop too. Punks should also show some respect for this, and fear their own ignorance... This video is great for it's time and ours. But don't do drugs.

[punisher6574]

Snoop is an idiot pop star. He is not what rap used to be. He has not enthusiasm. This does though.

[NorthernMonkeyUK]

i'm an arctic fan i havent gone crazy but but then again i am a huge JD fan

[DGSE]

Collector !!

[corbin13]

Don't be a dick.

[theonlytruepunk]

what do you listen to you fuck monkey?? Arctic monkeys or some shit like that???  You are a fucking dildo!!! Go fuck yourself, bitch!

[goldentwit]

Hanged himself. You may not respect the laws of taste but at least respect those of grammar.

[richgreen9]

if you want too i'll learn you about music becacause . and i no what is rite nob head. try listenin too snoop dogg

[goldentwit]

Listen to you with the blue flag hangin' out ya backside! Love ya G-Boy stance!

I went to see Snoop in about 1998. It was all middle class white twerps there. I've felt more threatened dropping my kid off in the bouncy room at Ikea.

You might try reading Philip Larkin. I think you'll find he has a better take on your mild suburban life than that offered by Doggo.

May you box all the nosey

[zek1875]

You braindead fucking prick

[GamerconsLies]

yo chuck d yo yo......you fail at grammar.

[eric144144]

awesome

[nephthys0xA]

The soundtrack of my youth.

Ian Curtis died 27 years ago today.

[salar45]

pure

[nekro32]

gREAT!!!

[AngelaAnacondaa]

They're so ahead of their time :)

[janenil]

BEST!

[NoResistanceNoPresur]

Formed in the wake of the punk explosion in England, Joy Div. became the first band in the post-punk movement by later emphasizing not anger and energy but mood and expression...I think this performance is an example of that.

[pigbox]

brilliant.

[IanCurtis007]

damn right fokker1918!

[senti66]

i haven't the words to express what i feel

thanks

[Fokker1918]

did i hear kraftwerk's song metropolis in that opening commercial?? ;)

[sdicht]

Joy Division footage is still rare. The only difference is that now we have access to it.

[topout]

a personal fav of mine

[zaproheeks]

Absolutely fantastic. 10 years ago an old friend of mine (total JD fanatic) used to tell me that Joy Division live footage was extremely rare. The net made his statement false. Thanks for sharing this.

[machieaveli]

I must admit I thought I'd seen all or at least most of JD's live footage, but I just chanced upon this piece of history. My favourite band, definitely music I will always hold close to my heart.