it seems to me that these people are going way to far into this, its just a comercial that pretty much says to celebrate life becuase that is a gift, not to chose pro-life or pro-choice.
I'm pro-life too, MY life. You worry about YOUR life and I'll take care of mine. And both of us should allow every other person in the world to decide what's best for them.
I'm not saying that everyone has to be pro-life becuase I am. I was just stating my choice, like so many other people in these coment sections. I'm going with my beliefs, and you go with yours, i'm fine with that. i wasn't singaling anyone out for what they believe in, so you don't have to tell me what you think i should do because its my life and its my choice.
Oh, so you are pro-choice. I've never met a person that WANTS abortion, just those that see it as a personal choice.
If you actually read my post, you'd know that I don't give a flying fuck what YOUR beliefs are, as long as you don't worry yourself about the beliefs of others.
when did i ever say i was pro-choice? I don't want abortions, i do think that they are evil. And if you don't care about what i think, then why strike up an argument? don't even dignify this with a responce if you don't care.
Read your last post, dipshit. YOU use the word choice twice.
Good, then don't have one.0
I think apples are evil, should everyone else be stopped from eating apples?
I love the arrogance it takes for people like you to decide for everyone what is or isn't a good thing.
Life is full of choices, some are easy some are hard. ALL should be made by those it affects and NONE by arrogant assholes that should mind their own business.
I went to a Pro-Life event where Abby Johnson, the former director of a Texas Planned Parenthood quit and became pro-life, was speaking.
Anyway, she said that when a girl would come into their clinic, and she requested to see her fetus, they'd show her an ultrasound of her fetus's head or leg. They'd NEVER show the whole body. They know if they did, they could miss out on $500 (for an abortion).
I think someone in this video needs to look who's talking....
Do you have any suggestions for me on what I should do about a moral issue I am struggling with? I have lots of personal struggles with morality as a human being.
Don't you?
We are all human and the bottom line is that you need to mind your own business.....
Bet you'd change your tune if you found out that 1% of your income went to that child that was born to a mother that did not want that child.
And the point is: If I truly believe that the baby being killed is as human as you or I, I absolutely have to try and do something to stop it. If I don't, what kind of person am I?
If you saw a mother about to kill a born child, would to chalk it up to it being her own individual choice? No.
And if you could, would you stop her? Yes.
The baby outside of the womb is the same as the baby inside of the womb. I would not choose to retain a mere 1% of my income over a human life.
@Fusion5X nice try...when the government or states do try and up their sexual education programs, pro-christian organizations flip out that the government is instructing their children in wrongful ways and that they should not be educating about sexual practices but more so just about the process of reproduction...personally, I don't like the notion of abortion but that doesn't mean that I want to legislate what others do with their OWN bodies...
You are absolutely right. I don't agree with it at all, either. Yes, I am a Christian, but not everyone is and even those who are or claim to be still practice sex outside of marriage. It doesn't make any sense to preach against contraceptives at all and I apologize on behalf of Christians for that.
Anyways, the reason I'm pro-life is because it isn't just one body, it's two. Two lives and two humans- and when you really understand that, you just can't let it go.
I just think if people should put more emphasis on something more important to do with their OWN children and feelings about the world that they can tangibly access, then the world would be a much more functionally productive.
If you are so worried about one INDIVIDUAL women's decision, independent decision about her OWN life and her child's, you should consider other issues of morality
please tell me now, what is wrong and what is right?
Ms Greene is just a baby killer - plain and simple. She needs to look into the background of Planed Parenthood and Margaret Singer a little more closely before mouthing off about a decent group like Focus On The Family wanting to air an ad that supports and promotes the family and decent American values. Perhaps if she knew of Ms. Sanger's genocidal rants using abortion she might shut her piehole!
There is no simplification. Abortion quit simply is the murder of a viable human child. They try to "fool" people into believing a pregnancy is different than a child.
The next great human rights movement will be for the unborn. Unfortunately they have no voices ... YET!
People this commercial was not bad, Its fucking AMERICA, yes i think it is the womans decision but thats not to say that i would go have an abortion. I think its fucked up how you can have all these provocative commercials doing everything but physically showing todays children how to make babies but doesn't want to show them that hey, sometimes when you act as an adult you have to make adult decisions.
The woman from the women's media center in this piece claims that crisis pregnancy centers offer fake ultrasounds and false medical information but she has no evidence of this. What the 2,000 plus, crisis pregnancy centers in the USA do do is offer the option of viewing an ultrasound, something that abortion clinics rarely do. They don't want you to see your unborn baby because in over 90% of cases the women who see it choose life and the abortion industry looses money.
Yeah. I actually know a girl who went in to get an abortion but once she saw the ultrasound, she couldn't do it! Not after seeing her feet, hands, body...
@sgsfdgfsdfsdfsddf what the hell are you talking about? broke the law? no he didnt...you go to the doctor for advice...guess what he gave her...advice...stupid shit
yeah, this commercial gives the impression that she almost lost him due to illness, there is no reason for this to be controversial, FOX made this who thing up to get a little bit of viewership
No. There were many Pro-choice groups who were outraged by this. Example? Well just watch the video. Anything about abortion is controversial. The reason? There is no clear answer because Americans are split on the issue.
Abortion is abnormal barbaric and evil - and so are the societies that sanction it! Thank God they are dying out - but too stupid to know! LOL
Only a CATHOLIC STATE will resist your demographic wipeout and Islamisation at the hands of idiot secular governance! Only the good survive - thank God!!
it was never an abortion ad and if people are getting so butt raped over it then they are stupid if you dont want to have a baby they use protection or keep your legs closed simple as that
everyone is making such a huge deal over nothing. and even if it is the pro-life agenda, who cares? i mean i go to school in DC and there are buses driving around supporting obama's healthcare bill and PETA has ads all over the place. the liberal agenda is literally everywhere but yet a deal must be made of this ad because it insinuates pro-life? give me a break!
you guys are both fucked up. murder is never right in any situation. you die for your baby if you must, and you do not kill a baby because it is the product of a rape. it's not the baby's fault. it's selfish and sick to kill no matter what, and put into a situation where i would have to choose between myself and an infant i would choose the infant, whether i was a rape, disease victim, or the victim of any other circumstance. ABORTION IS NEVER THE ANSWER, DIPSHITS. NOTHING MAKES IT RIGHT.
THE KILLER IS STILL THE MOTHER. the mother cannot accidentally kill herself while trying to abort their own baby herself, and then blame any government. She only has herself to blame; if she doesn't want babies she shouldn't be having sex. And if she does choose to have sex, it's her own risk or fault of her pregnancy. She can't blame anyone but herself, and abortion is a sick and selfish way to make up for her act. Abortion is disgusting.
I dare say none of you pro-lifes have éver been in the situation a woman considering abortion is in. How dare you form an opinion on something you have not experienced yourself! Who says that women considering abortion don't feel pain or loss?
And besides, who made you the All Deciding Force on earth? Having freedom means respecting other people's freedom as well. Not being able to accept and respect other people's freedom makes you a selfish and arrogant human being. Shame on you!
nearly everyone commenting here is a religious fanatic, I think you should know that although it doesn't seem like it in this forum, the vast majority of the country agree with you
The fact, scientific fact, is that the baby in the womb is a human baby. I became pro-life as I researched the characteristics of life and realized that the baby is as human as its mother. Before this research, I would have aborted, but now that I know that it is a baby how can I? I have the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". That's all. Freedom does not included being able to off someone else because they are not convenient. I think that as soon as we all realize that the
Hey answer this one "Rushthepedophile TROLL".....if you have a one night stand and the women gets pregnant and she decides to have an abortion...you as the man have no say.....however if the women decides to have the baby....guess who's paying for 18 years....Thats right you will!
So why is it a man doesnt have any say when ultimately he will be paying for the baby??? ANSWER THAT ONE TROLL!
Call me weird but I just have an issue with killing babys but not killers!
And one last point....Rushthepedophile....you are a very confused mutant.....youre not a hunter! you never served in the military and yes you are married to a man!
You are a pedophile but you in favor of murdering babys!!
Maybe a failed abortion would explain your condition!
But you implied in another post that the fetus wasn't a baby.
If people actually believed the fetus is a human baby like I do -or not believed, knew, but actually REALIZED that fact- no one would be for abortions.
baby is a living human being, we will realize that we do not have the right to end his or her life. That "all deciding force" is science. It's what made ME choose life.
I don't want to be rude, but refusing to accept a baby's humanity and not allowing it into the world because it wasn't convenient IS selfish. I know my BC, so I don't think I'd be pregnant unless I were raped or something... but that wouldn't give me any right to kill someone who was even more a victim of that violence than I.
I think it is more selfish to have a baby when you know you can offer him no future, no money and no prospects, just because your "beliefs" tell you so, than to reconsider and think: at this moment, I cannot give this child a future, I cannot give this baby a happy life, so maybe it would be better for this baby not to be born, rather than to force it to live an unhappy life.
What on earth made you think I'm for the death penalty? I never said anything for or against that issue. And I don't know what you mean by "beliefs". Conceived notions, perhaps?
Anyways, it is unethical to kill a child in a poor situation. You and I would both agree. Should we just off every child that we don't think will leave a good life? Such as those in developing countries?
How is the unborn different from the born? What makes them less human?
Yes, I'm sorry, I misread the comment about the death penalty, I thought it was yours... sorry about that (I removed it now). Personally I think that we cannot compare western states to developping countries in any way, for they are what they're called; developping countries. Besides, remember that I'm only saying women should have a choice in their pregnancy. If they decide to have their baby in their circumstances and under those conditions; fine! Good for them! But they should have a choice.
And what makes the unborn different from the born? Consciousness; an unborn baby, a fetus, is not conscious of its situation, unlike a living child. And Im just not sure if it is a good idea to regard the rights of unconscious fetuses as more important than the rights of their mothers.
I just dont believe that if something is not and cannot be aware of its own existence, should have rights that go above the rights of existing, and conscious human beings.
True, but I don't think it should be the right of any mother to end a child's life. It has basically been one of my main quests to prove the consciousness of the unborn child because of yours and others' argument that it is what separates the born from the unborn. True, the baby is sedated for much of its fetal existence, but it has the ability to be consciousness as much as an adult sedated for surgical purposes. The fetus reacts to his or her environment, therefore it is living since reaction
I'm sorry my arguments are rushed- I'm at work right now and decided it would be a good idea to try and reply to your posts while in the midst of answering these phones. Not. So if I sound confusing, I will gladly clarify upon request.
Haha, thanks, I think I got them though! But you say reacting to your environment means consciousness? But what about trees? They grow, responding to water and sunlight, but we don't consider a tree a human being, for it is not aware of his existence and we don't mind chopping trees.
And I'm not sure that you can compare an adult sedated for surgical purposes to an unborn baby, for the adult made the choice to be sedated, as well as the choice to go to sleep at night. The fetus did make this decision. Also you could reconstruct having dreams as a form of consciousness and I don't think fetuses have dreams of any sort.
Fetal psychologist Janet DiPietro states that birth is a "trivial event in development" and that "nothing neurologically interesting happens"
If a baby is born prematurely, do they not have the same reactions to their surroundings as a baby born in their time? That's because from before they are born, the baby is conscious. This doesn't happen at birth or the baby born prematurely would be in a state similar to a vegetative one. The truth is, the brain is one of the first
Sorry. I tried to pull up the article of fetal psychology for you but my pc is being weird. If you just google fetal psychology it's the first thing that comes up. It's rather short and discusses consciousness and neurological development before birth.
Yeah, because ever person supporting abortion LOVES dead babies so much.
You know that your the sick one. You really need to consider the risks of having abortion illegal, because women will still be getting them but they won't be nearly as safe and can cause disease or death for the mother.
Actually, if you do your research you'll realize that death caused by unsafe abortions only amounted to like 33 a year or something along those lines. I think that everyone on both sides, pro-choice and pro-life, should adequately do their research because when you hear someone say, "What if she were raped?" you don't realize that rape cases only make up around 1-3% of abortions in the US. Before I researched, I used to say the exact same thing you did.
THE KILLER IS STILL THE MOTHER. the mother cannot accidentally kill herself while trying to abort their own baby themselves, and then blame any government. She only has herself to blame; if she doesn't want babies she shouldn't be having sex. And if she does choose to have sex, it's her own risk or fault of her pregnancy. She can't blame anyone but herself, and abortion is a sick and selfish way to make up for her act. Abortion is disgusting.
Right, because rape and incest is really a choice a woman makes "I'm not going to get raped today" Well congratulation cause no other woman wants it either. Oh and so is disease and death that can be pre diagnosed. Right, because people who have abortions are cruel people, maybe that child has a deadly disease that will only die a painful death hours after their birth. In my opinion if you know that your baby has that disease and you let them live anyway, then that woman is sick.
who gives anyone the right to choose who lives and who dies? everyone deserves a chance disease or not . PLAYING GOD is simply not right. why can't you get it through your fucking skull?
It is extremely sickening and disturbing that some of we humans can talk of the subject of
legalized murder, reoccurring cold-blooded murder, so lightly. And quite frankly, Jehmu Greene, millions of dollars to take away "the choice and the freedom" women have to take innocent lives sounds like the most intelligent investment since abortion was legalized. The "reality" is, "abortion", the word you can hide behind, is a romanticized word for murder.
thank you! finally someone on here who agrees that abortion is murder, people dont get it. it makes me so angry that people are killing these little innocent babies. i mean this may be taking it a little too far, but if i was told i should get rid of my baby because it was life threatning to me i would keep my baby, because i've already experienced life for many years and it would be time for someone else to. so thank you whatsername for having the much needed sense that we should see more of.
Planned Barrenhood is NOT for females, babies or families. They want to achieve zero population growth. They are bent on making as much money as they possibly can, stopping at nothing to satisfy their goal. Their full intention is for all girls 13-18 to have three abortions apiece. Two ways they achieve their diabolical goal is by dispensing both low-dose birth control pills as well as low-dose morning after drugs. That helps to ensure they will have many girls requiring their abortion services.
large scale, such as the super bowl. It seems people who feel threatened by Pro- Life Advocacy are afraid of the truth about abortion; it is the equivalent to homicide. They hide it under arguments claiming the ad "separates the nation " during a time of its unified togetherness of the super bowl; Almost as if these pro-choice advocates are appealing for sympathy for those who believe the intentional taking of an unborn, yet living, human being; sympathy for cold-blooded murderers.
Why the hell is this such a big deal? "Promotes Pro- Life Agenda"??? When did life become a bad thing?? Some people will attack anything they feel threatens them, obviously. But how does promoting a "Pro- Life Agenda" threaten anyone, honestly? Doesn't promoting a Pro- Choice Agenda threaten on a scale of much more gravity? Pro-Choice gives any woman the power to murder a living human being. Anything that would support a contrary argument to legalized murder should be allowed presentation on a
Listen up bible thumpers.....it was her CHOICE to keep the baby instead of listening to the experts (doctors) about aborting the baby....that's what PRO-CHOICE is.....can you understand?
Cause its the Super Bowl. Guys dont care about any other issue except the Super Bowl when its the Super Bowl. Like she said doing this can separate the country more than it is and we should be coming together and the Super Bowl is one of those time where we can do that.
but this is no right or left issue. This is having fun during the damn super bowl issue. Play that shit after the Superbowl but not during it.
And the commercial didnt even say anything about abortion anyway so it was a fail.
"critics say it promotes a pro-life agenda" Are you kidding me? Thats supposed to be a bad thing???? WTF? How dare he try to promote life. Guess all you pro-baby killers are pretty pissed off. Good.
So get this after the commercial aired and we all saw there wasn't much controversy to it at all, thi scrazy womens group moron had this to say, "But the group's president, Jehmu Greene, said the tackle showed an undercurrent of violence against women." This is directly from ESPN's article Tebow ad sends 'very gentle' message.
Only liberal pukes gets offended by an ad suggesting not to kill a baby! Yet' they get offended of water-boarding a known terrorist, also feel that terrorist deserve rights as if they were citizens, but un-born babies, as well as ones that survive blotched abortions deserve none! I wonder if liberals feel Casey Anthony should be set free, because of coarse she made a choice to kill hers. Even Obama said "No woman should be punished by a baby". "Pro-Choice?" Call it what it is "Pro-Murder!"
This Ad is completely over the fact that Tim Tebow's mom chose life and what happened because of that. People are so unbelievably ignorant when it comes to this topic. If a mother chooses to abort her baby then she chose murder. That is my honest opinion. Take it as you want..but I can not believe anyone would want to choose death for their baby. I mean seriously...It is legal murder.
with the right support and upbringing no tenagers have to go have abortions. people seem to think sex is something you cant control, well you can. its damn easy. abortion is pathetic. go save youself the trouble of killing several babies and go kill yourself.
Only the weak, there is a difference between being able to control something and not wanting to. I don't disagree with what your trying to say but your an idiot and should keep your thoughts to yourself.
i would die for my baby. i wouldn't care. At least i have lived for some part of life and it should be now that the baby get's to live. we are not pricks we just believe that this is murder, a person is a person no matter how small (or young)
Right, you say that now why don't you get pregnant without actually wanting the kid, since you love that so much. I don't actually believe that you would give up your life with people who love you for a child who would be sent into a father's care without a partner to help take care of the child and be in financial need most likely. You are the sick one and don't give me that martyr attitude until you are actually in the position.
TO "WHYCANTIFINDONE": You are so fucking stupid. I can't even understand how someone could ever be this stupid. You completely disgust me with your unbelievable ignorance. There is no point arguing with someone like you; there is absolutely no hope that any gleam of intelligence shall ever cross your thick skull. Think about the words you type and say. You contradict yourself; you make no sense. Fucking give up.
i didnt read any of your other posts or those of whoever youre arguing with but abortion decisions made based on the safety of the mother are extremely rare. i think they make up less than 5% of abortions. most abortions are made because of convenience which is why i dont understand it. im anti-abortion on all issues except that of health risks to the mother- which i havent decided on.
however, people NEED to know that when they argue cases such as rape, incest, or safety issues they are using only 5% of abortions while the other 95% go along for the ride without having any of those things apply to them.
ah, people are gonna murder babies, so let them do it safetly? are you serious? if someone wants to murder their baby that bed, I say let them die. we kill murderers in society all the time. You are the prick. You are one sad son of a bitch if you think its ok to murder an innocent baby. sick fuck.
And define BABY? Accoring to the law, abortion is not murder. And since the LAW is what we all follow....
Another question is what gives you the right to interfere in the lives of another person? What causes you to think it's ok for you to try to control another person's body?
Some people I guess are too arogant to be allowed to live.
yes, and at one time, the LAW said it was ok to OWN a slave. hmmm, guess that was moral too, eh? control another persons body? no, but yes, I want to interfere in anothers life, WHEN THEY WANT TO KILL SOMEONE! What is wrong with you. If someone really doesn't want a baby, use protection or don't have sex. accidents happen, but that doesn't make murder ok. you call me arrogant for wanting to protect an INNOCENT life.
40 MILLION human beings, (one-third of my generation!) would testify that abortion is not "safe" - but they can't be reached for comment because they're dead.
@reformationboy What if I was aborted in my previous life but then I just reincarnated into the embryo of parents that were ready, I wouldn't mind it at all.
The point is this is all equally likely, and since it depends on the nature of the supernatural, it's not the gov'ts place to say.
I used to think so too. I think the probably that we wont be able to agree on is that I see the children as human beings with the same rights you or I have. You don't and that is why we can't agree to disagree.
Do your research. I HAVE said, "Well, they are going to get them anyways, so why not make it legal?" For the safety of the women. But as soon as I realized the baby was a human, and even before I knew women dying from unsafe abortions amount to an insignificant number in the US
@Fusion5X Would be working on different definitions of children for one. The terms embryo, fetus, baby, and child imply different levels of development.
Secondly, well I'm tempted to say the def. of human is in question too... but I think more importantly would be to pose the question that what about human beings necessitates them having certain rights. What qualities must be present, and honestly do humans possess those qualities at all levels of development?
You are probably the only person here, pro choice or pro life, that I respect.
Under the constitution, the babies don't have rights until they are born. This is why, under the definition of "US Citizen", they have no legal rights. It is legal to kill the baby. However, I still think that the baby should be given rights because he or she is human.
Humans do not possess all the characteristics of their species at all levels, but many of those characteristics are achieved only after birth.
"the baby should be given rights because he or she is human."
Why is that though? What I'm trying to get at here is...what seems like a theme for a philosophy class (which isn't to knock it, those classes rock :) "What makes us Human?" or in an ethics class... "What makes humans deserving of rights?"
I think it's consciousness and even then possibly only that combined with desire, intention.
As for potential, I went into that somewhere below.
Not during. So, many children do not have all of the human characteristics even much after their birth. Maybe, they never will.
Language is a characteristic. Babies are not born speaking. Some never speak. My view is that the potential for developing these abilities should not be halted at the whim of a woman who "made a mistake" and "does not want to deal with the consequences."
The fact that the baby is human may stem from his or her ability to develop certain traits. Life is life.
I agree with the vegetative part, but that's different than being a baby.One of the properties of living things is responsiveness and people in a vegetative states don't have that. I'm partly merinthophobic (fear of being bound) so I would definitely not want to live in that case, either. I don't know if I would, given the choice, but "want to"? Most likely not.
Why not halt it though, while it's still okay? Potential of development can go far back as the sperm or the egg, this I think is part of the arguments actually made against using contraceptives, and even against masturbation.
I'm not going to attribute those arguments to you, but I think you can see how ridiculous it could get.
So instead of dealing with potentials, I propose we deal with actuality, what is the case here and now? Are we dealing with a conscious thing or not? If no...
(I think its 30 something women) I did a complete 180. I think that since your arguments are so much like mine were, you'd agree with me if you just did your research. Think about it:
Abortions illegal: 60- maybe 100 deaths (including the babies)
Abortions legal: 800,000 deaths.
That's statistics.
Besides, illegal clinics in the US for any type of operation usually tend to be safer and more sterile than you'd think. I haven't looked at other countries' stats yet.
@Fusion5X Would be better if the sources of those statistics were cited.
Some might say the nature of the deaths compared are fundamentally different. The dichotomy being either Potential Lives vs Actual Lives, or Life that has developed a consciousness vs. Life that hasn't developed a consciousness, or ....something completely different that we haven't thought of.
Either way, the comparison couldn't really be made. Seeing that, you'll begin to see the other's point of view.
Another one is Biologically independent life vs dependent life- which is easily rebutted by stating that not all humans who are born are biologically independent. The hospital providing care for the person cannot "pull the plug" if they have reason to believe the person may again become conscious.
The child develops consciousness in the womb, not outside of it. You could not abort at all levels of the pregnancy if you were to use that argument because the fetus develops consciouness early.
Right, but a family mamber can choose to pull the plug at anytime after a vegitative state is diagnosed. How can we allow a husband to murder his living wife?
I believe that a chid becomes alive when it can live on it's own without machines.
Around 6 months, about when abortion becomes illegal.
How do you KNOW a fetus has consciousness? You don't, scientists have been trying to answer that question for centuries, don't tell me you cracked the case.
A fetus has consciousness because he or she responds to their environment. Scientists say that the fetus is living because it is, but they are in a debate over whether or not it should be given human rights. There is no doubt in any way that the baby in the womb is living.
If the person is in a vegetative state for long enough that the doctors say, "They will never wake," then they can legally pull the plug. Not before. In the same way, if the baby has potential, he/she should not be discarde
Wrong, time has nothing to do with the decision to pull life support. If a Dr. says a person is unlikely to regain consciousness (I.E. awareness), a family can remove life support whenever they decide to.
My Buddy just decided to pull the plug on his mom, hours after the Dr. said she would not recover from treatment. She wasn't even concidered a vegetable.
we have the right to deny treatment, and die with some self respect.
Remember Terry Shoeivo? The woman that the religious right said was communicating with her parents?
She was a vegetable for 9 years, and it turned out, that she was blind, and couldn't possibly have known her parents were in the room.
And I'm wanting to end abortions using scientific data and definitions, not on religious beliefs.
I understand that you cannot try and tell someone who isn't of your religion to follow your religious practices. If this were a religious issue, I would be dishing out scripture verses instead of scientific facts and data.
If you haven't noticed, I've only used religion to explain the probable views of Tebow's mother to someone who specifically mentioned it.
Here's the only science that matters. A fetus cannot live on it's own outside the womb until 6-7 months. Ban most abortion after that. Done.
Possible life may begin at fert. but actual life cannot exist on it's own before 6-7 months. the wierd thing is that abortions after the second tri-mester are already illegal.
The funny thing is that I don't care what her reasons were.
Now please allow every other woman to choose for themselves.
Abortions after the second trimester are not already illegal; a woman can get an abortion in this country at any time. There are restrictions on minors, and rightfully so; they can't get a Tylenol at school without parents' permission, so why should they be able to get an abortion without a parent's consent?!
Regardless of definition, Rush is right here... it doesn't really matter. I myself just had a friends family pull the plug on their grandpa who was in a coma for only 10 days.
I don't agree with the decision myself, but I see no right for the government to interfere with it... nor for any good to come out of prosecuting the grieving family.
In dealing with the reality of the situation, do you see any good out of prosecuting, imprisoning people in these already vulnerable situations? I can't...
I wouldn't prosecute anyone for doing something legal like that. I don't agree with the decision either, but I certainly wouldn't say anything about it after they had done it. There isn't any point.
I don't agree with pulling, but I can't think of any reason to outlaw it save for religious ones. I think that its for God to decide when life ends but you can't argue that with a secular government.
first of all, no Dr. will ever say that a person will never wake, and also, I said that time has nothing to do with it, you did.
And a family does not always have to petition to pull the plug, the choice falls to the next of kin, or the person with power of Atty.
My buddy just went through this with his mother a month ago. Fri. afternoon, his mother slipped into a coma, and he decided to end her suffering. At 12:15am Sat. she died after being removed from life support.
Yeah I never really agreed with that division being a factor either... which is unfortunate because that seems to be the one guiding the original roe v. wade decision. After all as technology grows we could conceivably make embryos independent from the get go...
Agreed also that because of consciousness "You could not abort at all levels of the pregnancy", but you could at some levels, before it develops.
The earliness of it I think I would contend. As I've heard it, it develops pretty much at the third trimester cut-off date anyway, which makes it legally a moot point.
Also to throw in a possible monkey wrench to all this, which is... possibly it's not base consciousness that is important here, but personhood. Which may require experiences as well.
I think it develops consciousness before that because my aunt is pregnant and she uses her cell phone to blare music into the baby's ears so he'll wake up. He just turned 7 months but I heard them talking about it way before this. I tried to find when it develops consciousness online- the only thing I found was that the baby is usually sleeping for most of it's life as a fetus. What got to me was the fact that the baby calms at his mother's voice when he develops hearing. If he is calmed by a
"I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." - Ronald Reagan
DefyTheTypical01 1 year ago
Her name is Jehmu. How can you ever take her seriously...
recklessoaks16 1 year ago
That woman literally looks like a chimp with an afro, lol
BrucedatNigga 1 year ago
Jemu is a judgemental idiot. So we can have the craziest sexy stupid ads during the game and we cant have this one? Ridiculous!
phillipians 1 year ago
aint nothin wrong wit the commercial lady needs to relax
youngmario64 1 year ago
it seems to me that these people are going way to far into this, its just a comercial that pretty much says to celebrate life becuase that is a gift, not to chose pro-life or pro-choice.
btw, i am pro-life all the way
sugarcrazedninja 1 year ago
I'm pro-life too, MY life. You worry about YOUR life and I'll take care of mine. And both of us should allow every other person in the world to decide what's best for them.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
I'm not saying that everyone has to be pro-life becuase I am. I was just stating my choice, like so many other people in these coment sections. I'm going with my beliefs, and you go with yours, i'm fine with that. i wasn't singaling anyone out for what they believe in, so you don't have to tell me what you think i should do because its my life and its my choice.
sugarcrazedninja 1 year ago
Oh, so you are pro-choice. I've never met a person that WANTS abortion, just those that see it as a personal choice.
If you actually read my post, you'd know that I don't give a flying fuck what YOUR beliefs are, as long as you don't worry yourself about the beliefs of others.
Live and let live.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
when did i ever say i was pro-choice? I don't want abortions, i do think that they are evil. And if you don't care about what i think, then why strike up an argument? don't even dignify this with a responce if you don't care.
sugarcrazedninja 1 year ago
Read your last post, dipshit. YOU use the word choice twice.
Good, then don't have one.0
I think apples are evil, should everyone else be stopped from eating apples?
I love the arrogance it takes for people like you to decide for everyone what is or isn't a good thing.
Life is full of choices, some are easy some are hard. ALL should be made by those it affects and NONE by arrogant assholes that should mind their own business.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
Greene: "fake ultrasounds"
I went to a Pro-Life event where Abby Johnson, the former director of a Texas Planned Parenthood quit and became pro-life, was speaking.
Anyway, she said that when a girl would come into their clinic, and she requested to see her fetus, they'd show her an ultrasound of her fetus's head or leg. They'd NEVER show the whole body. They know if they did, they could miss out on $500 (for an abortion).
I think someone in this video needs to look who's talking....
falkenlaser 1 year ago
Another diversion to take our minds off the "war" that has been goin on for 9 years...
DCashBX 1 year ago
In response to "Fusion5X" continued...
Do you have any suggestions for me on what I should do about a moral issue I am struggling with? I have lots of personal struggles with morality as a human being.
Don't you?
We are all human and the bottom line is that you need to mind your own business.....
Bet you'd change your tune if you found out that 1% of your income went to that child that was born to a mother that did not want that child.
The child is not punished....of that i'm sure
blueyesunburst 1 year ago
Here here.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
It's Ms.
And the point is: If I truly believe that the baby being killed is as human as you or I, I absolutely have to try and do something to stop it. If I don't, what kind of person am I?
If you saw a mother about to kill a born child, would to chalk it up to it being her own individual choice? No.
And if you could, would you stop her? Yes.
The baby outside of the womb is the same as the baby inside of the womb. I would not choose to retain a mere 1% of my income over a human life.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
And it's not individual choice, it is millions of lives lost for really trivial reasons.
The government should spend more money in teaching people sex education than it does funding abortions.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
@Fusion5X nice try...when the government or states do try and up their sexual education programs, pro-christian organizations flip out that the government is instructing their children in wrongful ways and that they should not be educating about sexual practices but more so just about the process of reproduction...personally, I don't like the notion of abortion but that doesn't mean that I want to legislate what others do with their OWN bodies...
7thDayAtheist 1 year ago
@7thDayAtheist
You are absolutely right. I don't agree with it at all, either. Yes, I am a Christian, but not everyone is and even those who are or claim to be still practice sex outside of marriage. It doesn't make any sense to preach against contraceptives at all and I apologize on behalf of Christians for that.
Anyways, the reason I'm pro-life is because it isn't just one body, it's two. Two lives and two humans- and when you really understand that, you just can't let it go.
Thanks
Fusion5X 1 year ago
@7thDayAtheist
for sharing your opinion.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
its really not about that mr. "Fusion 5X" .
I just think if people should put more emphasis on something more important to do with their OWN children and feelings about the world that they can tangibly access, then the world would be a much more functionally productive.
If you are so worried about one INDIVIDUAL women's decision, independent decision about her OWN life and her child's, you should consider other issues of morality
please tell me now, what is wrong and what is right?
blueyesunburst 1 year ago
I can discuss choice because that's what we have, dumbass. Somehow you got the idea that whatever you say is right.
Wrong, you mean nothing.
I know it must suck to hear that, but face it, you are a peanut in the turd of life.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
Ms Greene is just a baby killer - plain and simple. She needs to look into the background of Planed Parenthood and Margaret Singer a little more closely before mouthing off about a decent group like Focus On The Family wanting to air an ad that supports and promotes the family and decent American values. Perhaps if she knew of Ms. Sanger's genocidal rants using abortion she might shut her piehole!
sensfaninohio 1 year ago
There is no simplification. Abortion quit simply is the murder of a viable human child. They try to "fool" people into believing a pregnancy is different than a child.
The next great human rights movement will be for the unborn. Unfortunately they have no voices ... YET!
eafalf 1 year ago
@eafalf
Is an egg a chicken? Is a tadpole a frog? Is a catterpiller a butterfly?
Nice try, a dipshit might have believed you. LOL
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
Actually, yes. A tadpole is a frog. A caterpillar is a butterfly.
A chicken's egg doesn't hold a baby chick unless it is fertilized.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
@Fusion5X
Good luck with pulling that shit in science class.
So, a FERTILIZED chicken egg IS a chicken???????
This is the kind of bullshit you get when a person MUST follow their fucked up logic to it's fucked up end.
Reality now must take a back seat to ideology. And common sense becomes extinct.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
That is the kind of stuff they teach in science class. Tadpole= baby frog. Caterpillar= baby butterfly.
And I distinctly said that I became pro-life by researching the facts.
Reality: Baby is human. Killing humans is wrong. Therefore, killing babies is wrong.
Seems pretty simple to me.
And no, it just has a baby chick inside of it. A placenta is not a human, so an egg is not a chicken. However, the egg does have a baby chick inside.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
Again, all talk, no action. If I believed someone was going to kill a child, I WOULD STOP THEM, at all cost even if it cost me my life.
How sad is it that a so-called pro-lifer values the life of a child less than a pro-choicer?
Yada yada yada, life this wrong that.
You're free to hold whatever opinion you like, however you aren't free to force your OPINION on everyone else.
Free country, REMEMBER?
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
Sometimes.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
People this commercial was not bad, Its fucking AMERICA, yes i think it is the womans decision but thats not to say that i would go have an abortion. I think its fucked up how you can have all these provocative commercials doing everything but physically showing todays children how to make babies but doesn't want to show them that hey, sometimes when you act as an adult you have to make adult decisions.
charli205 1 year ago
Jehmu Greene and her pro-abortion Nazi brigade had their heads explode when the ad came on.
StoogeWatcher 1 year ago
The woman from the women's media center in this piece claims that crisis pregnancy centers offer fake ultrasounds and false medical information but she has no evidence of this. What the 2,000 plus, crisis pregnancy centers in the USA do do is offer the option of viewing an ultrasound, something that abortion clinics rarely do. They don't want you to see your unborn baby because in over 90% of cases the women who see it choose life and the abortion industry looses money.
jjmcoates 1 year ago
Yeah. I actually know a girl who went in to get an abortion but once she saw the ultrasound, she couldn't do it! Not after seeing her feet, hands, body...
She has the cutest little girl now.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
the doctor broke the law by telling her to get an abortion her story is bullshit
any proof? nope probably not
sgsfdgfsdfsdfsddf 1 year ago
Any proof not??? Probably not!!
HDNKR 1 year ago
@sgsfdgfsdfsdfsddf what the hell are you talking about? broke the law? no he didnt...you go to the doctor for advice...guess what he gave her...advice...stupid shit
everydayidiealilmore 1 year ago
well guess what? a doctor cant tell you to get an Abortion in the Philippines... its illegal...
oh sorry for reading for you...
sgsfdgfsdfsdfsddf 1 year ago
yeah, well guess what ass fuck. this shit didnt happen in the philippines...dumbass.
everydayidiealilmore 1 year ago
yes it did happen in the philippines... do you know what you are talking about?
sgsfdgfsdfsdfsddf 1 year ago
no it didnt you stupid ass
everydayidiealilmore 1 year ago
Tebow was born on August 14, 1987 in Makati City in the Philippines, to Bob and Pam Tebow, who were serving as Christian missionaries at the time.
sgsfdgfsdfsdfsddf 1 year ago
bullshit...
everydayidiealilmore 1 year ago
are u a troll? I think I fell for it
sgsfdgfsdfsdfsddf 1 year ago
yeah, this commercial gives the impression that she almost lost him due to illness, there is no reason for this to be controversial, FOX made this who thing up to get a little bit of viewership
Junker8 1 year ago
No. There were many Pro-choice groups who were outraged by this. Example? Well just watch the video. Anything about abortion is controversial. The reason? There is no clear answer because Americans are split on the issue.
BoredomTown 1 year ago
Abortion is abnormal barbaric and evil - and so are the societies that sanction it! Thank God they are dying out - but too stupid to know! LOL
Only a CATHOLIC STATE will resist your demographic wipeout and Islamisation at the hands of idiot secular governance! Only the good survive - thank God!!
amaqula 1 year ago
Oh fuck, not you again.
MagnificentFiend 1 year ago
it was never an abortion ad and if people are getting so butt raped over it then they are stupid if you dont want to have a baby they use protection or keep your legs closed simple as that
slipknotchrisdeath 1 year ago
Why dont the pro-death abortion lovers make their own commercial with a mother saying how happy she is to have killed her baby?
Oh yeah they cannot find one..
capon33 1 year ago 3
Agree 100% capon33
EagleEyeM4 1 year ago
high school america.
WHYCANTIFINDONE 1 year ago
The ad wasn't nearly as divisive as it could have been - They could have shown aborted fetuses, for heaven's sake.
shomnec 1 year ago
abortions is wrong . Don't kill life people , if you don't want the baby , there are other people who will be happy to adopt it , including me .
luckyjamal 1 year ago
everyone is making such a huge deal over nothing. and even if it is the pro-life agenda, who cares? i mean i go to school in DC and there are buses driving around supporting obama's healthcare bill and PETA has ads all over the place. the liberal agenda is literally everywhere but yet a deal must be made of this ad because it insinuates pro-life? give me a break!
CHolmesJ14 1 year ago 3
title is missleading its a pro-life ad not a Anti-Abortion ad
AudioGraphics 1 year ago
Who honestly cares about the abortion issue? It isn't even relevant.
HardforJesus 1 year ago
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whatsername101010 1 year ago
you guys are both fucked up. murder is never right in any situation. you die for your baby if you must, and you do not kill a baby because it is the product of a rape. it's not the baby's fault. it's selfish and sick to kill no matter what, and put into a situation where i would have to choose between myself and an infant i would choose the infant, whether i was a rape, disease victim, or the victim of any other circumstance. ABORTION IS NEVER THE ANSWER, DIPSHITS. NOTHING MAKES IT RIGHT.
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THE KILLER IS STILL THE MOTHER. the mother cannot accidentally kill herself while trying to abort their own baby herself, and then blame any government. She only has herself to blame; if she doesn't want babies she shouldn't be having sex. And if she does choose to have sex, it's her own risk or fault of her pregnancy. She can't blame anyone but herself, and abortion is a sick and selfish way to make up for her act. Abortion is disgusting.
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whatsername101010 1 year ago
Regardless how you feel. It's still blatant fascism to allow this commercial to air but not the gay marriage one.
AllPwrflSteve 1 year ago
I dare say none of you pro-lifes have éver been in the situation a woman considering abortion is in. How dare you form an opinion on something you have not experienced yourself! Who says that women considering abortion don't feel pain or loss?
And besides, who made you the All Deciding Force on earth? Having freedom means respecting other people's freedom as well. Not being able to accept and respect other people's freedom makes you a selfish and arrogant human being. Shame on you!
Frederique1989 1 year ago
Thank God someone has their head screwed on tight.
kaela624 1 year ago
@Kaela624
nearly everyone commenting here is a religious fanatic, I think you should know that although it doesn't seem like it in this forum, the vast majority of the country agree with you
Junker8 1 year ago
The fact, scientific fact, is that the baby in the womb is a human baby. I became pro-life as I researched the characteristics of life and realized that the baby is as human as its mother. Before this research, I would have aborted, but now that I know that it is a baby how can I? I have the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". That's all. Freedom does not included being able to off someone else because they are not convenient. I think that as soon as we all realize that the
Fusion5X 1 year ago
@Fusion5X
I'm a guy, so I'll never have an abortion, so I shouldn't have a say at all. Likewise, a woman shouldn't have a say in whether I can get a vasectimy.
You didn't know that a fetus was a human baby UNTIL you researched it????
Please tell me you aren't serious.
THAT scares the living shit out of me.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
Hey answer this one "Rushthepedophile TROLL".....if you have a one night stand and the women gets pregnant and she decides to have an abortion...you as the man have no say.....however if the women decides to have the baby....guess who's paying for 18 years....Thats right you will!
So why is it a man doesnt have any say when ultimately he will be paying for the baby??? ANSWER THAT ONE TROLL!
HDNKR 1 year ago
@HDNKR
Uh, don't have the one night stand and that can't happen.
Funny thing is, if the shoe was on the other foot, YOU'D be pissed if somebody told you what you'd be doing.
Luckily, you don't have to worry about getting a chick prego.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
Hey Rushthepedophile:
Scaring the living shit out of you must take all day!!!
HDNKR 1 year ago
Rushthepedophile is a walking contradition......He is a pedophile yet he wants to murder babys???? What is wrong with this TARD??
HDNKR 1 year ago
@HDNKR
You do know what WANT means, right?
How many women get knocked up JUST so they can get an abortion? Yep, none, dumbass.
So much for wanting to kill babies.
The wierd thing is you're the only one hear that's on record as celabrating death.
Irony.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
Thats right I am for the Death Penalty too!
Call me weird but I just have an issue with killing babys but not killers!
And one last point....Rushthepedophile....you are a very confused mutant.....youre not a hunter! you never served in the military and yes you are married to a man!
You are a pedophile but you in favor of murdering babys!!
Maybe a failed abortion would explain your condition!
HDNKR 1 year ago
@HDNKR
And a completed one would explain yours.
Oh SNNNAAAAAPPP, BITCH!
How long did you get to sit and think about what you were going to say, and still left yourself wide open for a shot like that.
You need to spend more time thinking and less time thinking about pedophiles and dogshit.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
But you implied in another post that the fetus wasn't a baby.
If people actually believed the fetus is a human baby like I do -or not believed, knew, but actually REALIZED that fact- no one would be for abortions.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
@Fusion5X
When did yopu get your birth cert.?
What's your birthday, when you were born or conceived?
Your betting a dead horse, one that died decades ago. You can't win the arguement, the law is on my side and the U.S. is ruled by law.
I KNOW a fetus is a possible human baby, but it can't live on it's own without help before 5 months.
Figure out how to get a zygote to live outside the womb at 4 weeks, and THEN you might be onto something.
see you in 10,000 years.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
baby is a living human being, we will realize that we do not have the right to end his or her life. That "all deciding force" is science. It's what made ME choose life.
I don't want to be rude, but refusing to accept a baby's humanity and not allowing it into the world because it wasn't convenient IS selfish. I know my BC, so I don't think I'd be pregnant unless I were raped or something... but that wouldn't give me any right to kill someone who was even more a victim of that violence than I.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
I think it is more selfish to have a baby when you know you can offer him no future, no money and no prospects, just because your "beliefs" tell you so, than to reconsider and think: at this moment, I cannot give this child a future, I cannot give this baby a happy life, so maybe it would be better for this baby not to be born, rather than to force it to live an unhappy life.
Frederique1989 1 year ago
What on earth made you think I'm for the death penalty? I never said anything for or against that issue. And I don't know what you mean by "beliefs". Conceived notions, perhaps?
Anyways, it is unethical to kill a child in a poor situation. You and I would both agree. Should we just off every child that we don't think will leave a good life? Such as those in developing countries?
How is the unborn different from the born? What makes them less human?
Fusion5X 1 year ago
Yes, I'm sorry, I misread the comment about the death penalty, I thought it was yours... sorry about that (I removed it now). Personally I think that we cannot compare western states to developping countries in any way, for they are what they're called; developping countries. Besides, remember that I'm only saying women should have a choice in their pregnancy. If they decide to have their baby in their circumstances and under those conditions; fine! Good for them! But they should have a choice.
Frederique1989 1 year ago
And what makes the unborn different from the born? Consciousness; an unborn baby, a fetus, is not conscious of its situation, unlike a living child. And Im just not sure if it is a good idea to regard the rights of unconscious fetuses as more important than the rights of their mothers.
I just dont believe that if something is not and cannot be aware of its own existence, should have rights that go above the rights of existing, and conscious human beings.
Frederique1989 1 year ago
True, but I don't think it should be the right of any mother to end a child's life. It has basically been one of my main quests to prove the consciousness of the unborn child because of yours and others' argument that it is what separates the born from the unborn. True, the baby is sedated for much of its fetal existence, but it has the ability to be consciousness as much as an adult sedated for surgical purposes. The fetus reacts to his or her environment, therefore it is living since reaction
Fusion5X 1 year ago
is one of the six, or sometimes eight, characteristics of life. The fetus has all of those characteristics.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
I'm sorry my arguments are rushed- I'm at work right now and decided it would be a good idea to try and reply to your posts while in the midst of answering these phones. Not. So if I sound confusing, I will gladly clarify upon request.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
Haha, thanks, I think I got them though! But you say reacting to your environment means consciousness? But what about trees? They grow, responding to water and sunlight, but we don't consider a tree a human being, for it is not aware of his existence and we don't mind chopping trees.
Frederique1989 1 year ago
And I'm not sure that you can compare an adult sedated for surgical purposes to an unborn baby, for the adult made the choice to be sedated, as well as the choice to go to sleep at night. The fetus did make this decision. Also you could reconstruct having dreams as a form of consciousness and I don't think fetuses have dreams of any sort.
Frederique1989 1 year ago
They dream.
Fetal psychologist Janet DiPietro states that birth is a "trivial event in development" and that "nothing neurologically interesting happens"
If a baby is born prematurely, do they not have the same reactions to their surroundings as a baby born in their time? That's because from before they are born, the baby is conscious. This doesn't happen at birth or the baby born prematurely would be in a state similar to a vegetative one. The truth is, the brain is one of the first
Fusion5X 1 year ago
Horseshit! What about, tele tubbies?
Their brain has NOTHING to base dreams on.
Holy shit you sound dumb. What's next, you going to say that a fetus can use a laptop?
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
@Rushtrdamus
They do dream. It's basic fetal psychology.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
organs to develop. I'll send you more info in a sec because I gotta go.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
@Frederique1989
Sorry. I tried to pull up the article of fetal psychology for you but my pc is being weird. If you just google fetal psychology it's the first thing that comes up. It's rather short and discusses consciousness and neurological development before birth.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
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Frederique1989 1 year ago
BTW!!!
Suck a bleeding dead fetus Jehmuuu.
..since you like them so much.
whatsername101010 1 year ago
Yeah, because ever person supporting abortion LOVES dead babies so much.
You know that your the sick one. You really need to consider the risks of having abortion illegal, because women will still be getting them but they won't be nearly as safe and can cause disease or death for the mother.
kaela624 1 year ago
Actually, if you do your research you'll realize that death caused by unsafe abortions only amounted to like 33 a year or something along those lines. I think that everyone on both sides, pro-choice and pro-life, should adequately do their research because when you hear someone say, "What if she were raped?" you don't realize that rape cases only make up around 1-3% of abortions in the US. Before I researched, I used to say the exact same thing you did.
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whatsername101010 1 year ago
THANK YOU :D so much. it's beautifully reassuring to know some people in this world still have sense in their minds:D
whatsername101010 1 year ago
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MURDER is NEVER JUSTIFIABLE under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Period.
whatsername101010 1 year ago
THE KILLER IS STILL THE MOTHER. the mother cannot accidentally kill herself while trying to abort their own baby themselves, and then blame any government. She only has herself to blame; if she doesn't want babies she shouldn't be having sex. And if she does choose to have sex, it's her own risk or fault of her pregnancy. She can't blame anyone but herself, and abortion is a sick and selfish way to make up for her act. Abortion is disgusting.
whatsername101010 1 year ago
Right, because rape and incest is really a choice a woman makes "I'm not going to get raped today" Well congratulation cause no other woman wants it either. Oh and so is disease and death that can be pre diagnosed. Right, because people who have abortions are cruel people, maybe that child has a deadly disease that will only die a painful death hours after their birth. In my opinion if you know that your baby has that disease and you let them live anyway, then that woman is sick.
kaela624 1 year ago
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whatsername101010 1 year ago
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which is worse, rape or muder?
neither are fucking justifiable
who gives anyone the right to choose who lives and who dies? everyone deserves a chance disease or not . PLAYING GOD is simply not right. why can't you get it through your fucking skull?
whatsername101010 1 year ago
It is extremely sickening and disturbing that some of we humans can talk of the subject of
legalized murder, reoccurring cold-blooded murder, so lightly. And quite frankly, Jehmu Greene, millions of dollars to take away "the choice and the freedom" women have to take innocent lives sounds like the most intelligent investment since abortion was legalized. The "reality" is, "abortion", the word you can hide behind, is a romanticized word for murder.
whatsername101010 1 year ago
thank you! finally someone on here who agrees that abortion is murder, people dont get it. it makes me so angry that people are killing these little innocent babies. i mean this may be taking it a little too far, but if i was told i should get rid of my baby because it was life threatning to me i would keep my baby, because i've already experienced life for many years and it would be time for someone else to. so thank you whatsername for having the much needed sense that we should see more of.
hardcandyproductions 1 year ago
Planned Barrenhood is NOT for females, babies or families. They want to achieve zero population growth. They are bent on making as much money as they possibly can, stopping at nothing to satisfy their goal. Their full intention is for all girls 13-18 to have three abortions apiece. Two ways they achieve their diabolical goal is by dispensing both low-dose birth control pills as well as low-dose morning after drugs. That helps to ensure they will have many girls requiring their abortion services.
AF4XK 1 year ago
large scale, such as the super bowl. It seems people who feel threatened by Pro- Life Advocacy are afraid of the truth about abortion; it is the equivalent to homicide. They hide it under arguments claiming the ad "separates the nation " during a time of its unified togetherness of the super bowl; Almost as if these pro-choice advocates are appealing for sympathy for those who believe the intentional taking of an unborn, yet living, human being; sympathy for cold-blooded murderers.
whatsername101010 1 year ago
Why the hell is this such a big deal? "Promotes Pro- Life Agenda"??? When did life become a bad thing?? Some people will attack anything they feel threatens them, obviously. But how does promoting a "Pro- Life Agenda" threaten anyone, honestly? Doesn't promoting a Pro- Choice Agenda threaten on a scale of much more gravity? Pro-Choice gives any woman the power to murder a living human being. Anything that would support a contrary argument to legalized murder should be allowed presentation on a
whatsername101010 1 year ago
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Listen up bible thumpers.....it was her CHOICE to keep the baby instead of listening to the experts (doctors) about aborting the baby....that's what PRO-CHOICE is.....can you understand?
Htown75 1 year ago
Cause its the Super Bowl. Guys dont care about any other issue except the Super Bowl when its the Super Bowl. Like she said doing this can separate the country more than it is and we should be coming together and the Super Bowl is one of those time where we can do that.
but this is no right or left issue. This is having fun during the damn super bowl issue. Play that shit after the Superbowl but not during it.
And the commercial didnt even say anything about abortion anyway so it was a fail.
teddybruscie 2 years ago
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reed88854 2 years ago
"critics say it promotes a pro-life agenda" Are you kidding me? Thats supposed to be a bad thing???? WTF? How dare he try to promote life. Guess all you pro-baby killers are pretty pissed off. Good.
fingersmcoy 2 years ago
So get this after the commercial aired and we all saw there wasn't much controversy to it at all, thi scrazy womens group moron had this to say, "But the group's president, Jehmu Greene, said the tackle showed an undercurrent of violence against women." This is directly from ESPN's article Tebow ad sends 'very gentle' message.
cdemarco16 2 years ago
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Only liberal pukes gets offended by an ad suggesting not to kill a baby! Yet' they get offended of water-boarding a known terrorist, also feel that terrorist deserve rights as if they were citizens, but un-born babies, as well as ones that survive blotched abortions deserve none! I wonder if liberals feel Casey Anthony should be set free, because of coarse she made a choice to kill hers. Even Obama said "No woman should be punished by a baby". "Pro-Choice?" Call it what it is "Pro-Murder!"
canthelpImbeautuful 2 years ago
Jehmu is trying to fool americans that murder isn't murder. And why is this titled "Anti-abortion ad"? Isn't is a "Pro Life ad"?
coryjk1 2 years ago
She is actually Pro Life she didnt like that they were trying to put out a Pro Life Ad during the Superbowl.
teddybruscie 2 years ago
This Ad is completely over the fact that Tim Tebow's mom chose life and what happened because of that. People are so unbelievably ignorant when it comes to this topic. If a mother chooses to abort her baby then she chose murder. That is my honest opinion. Take it as you want..but I can not believe anyone would want to choose death for their baby. I mean seriously...It is legal murder.
CHSCAT2424 2 years ago
WOW this guy is good at Bullshitting.
teddybruscie 2 years ago
LOL, a one exchange debate.
rocke4444 2 years ago
with the right support and upbringing no tenagers have to go have abortions. people seem to think sex is something you cant control, well you can. its damn easy. abortion is pathetic. go save youself the trouble of killing several babies and go kill yourself.
PaintedGangster 2 years ago 2
actually you cant control people to not have sex. if you knew Anything about society, you'd know that.
WHYCANTIFINDONE 2 years ago
Only the weak, there is a difference between being able to control something and not wanting to. I don't disagree with what your trying to say but your an idiot and should keep your thoughts to yourself.
cdemarco16 2 years ago
u can't, but we can try to control people from murdering babies.
fingersmcoy 2 years ago
no, you cant. because if you illegalize abortion, people are going to go into a backally with a steel hanger or intentionally fall down the stairs.
the saline injection is the safest way. People are gonna do it anyway, at least let them be safe when they do it..
WHYCANTIFINDONE 1 year ago
you know, unless you want a higher chance of two deaths instead of just one.
See who the killer is now? conservative pricks.
WHYCANTIFINDONE 1 year ago
i would die for my baby. i wouldn't care. At least i have lived for some part of life and it should be now that the baby get's to live. we are not pricks we just believe that this is murder, a person is a person no matter how small (or young)
hardcandyproductions 1 year ago 2
Right, you say that now why don't you get pregnant without actually wanting the kid, since you love that so much. I don't actually believe that you would give up your life with people who love you for a child who would be sent into a father's care without a partner to help take care of the child and be in financial need most likely. You are the sick one and don't give me that martyr attitude until you are actually in the position.
kaela624 1 year ago
no, your missing the point.
Saline: baby dies
Hanger: Both could easily die
because its legal, at least the mother can be safe while getting the abortion. instead of risking her life as well.
WHYCANTIFINDONE 1 year ago
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whatsername101010 1 year ago
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TO "WHYCANTIFINDONE": You are so fucking stupid. I can't even understand how someone could ever be this stupid. You completely disgust me with your unbelievable ignorance. There is no point arguing with someone like you; there is absolutely no hope that any gleam of intelligence shall ever cross your thick skull. Think about the words you type and say. You contradict yourself; you make no sense. Fucking give up.
whatsername101010 1 year ago
i'm stupid because i care about the safety of the mother?
Ok, call me stupid, idc
WHYCANTIFINDONE 1 year ago
i didnt read any of your other posts or those of whoever youre arguing with but abortion decisions made based on the safety of the mother are extremely rare. i think they make up less than 5% of abortions. most abortions are made because of convenience which is why i dont understand it. im anti-abortion on all issues except that of health risks to the mother- which i havent decided on.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
however, people NEED to know that when they argue cases such as rape, incest, or safety issues they are using only 5% of abortions while the other 95% go along for the ride without having any of those things apply to them.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
But women if they Really want one, will get an abortion whether its legal or not.
its just that its legal, and its probably better this way because not as many women "fall down the stairs" or "sit on a clothes hanger".
At least with since its legal, women can get a safe and clean abortion.
WHYCANTIFINDONE 1 year ago
ah, people are gonna murder babies, so let them do it safetly? are you serious? if someone wants to murder their baby that bed, I say let them die. we kill murderers in society all the time. You are the prick. You are one sad son of a bitch if you think its ok to murder an innocent baby. sick fuck.
fingersmcoy 1 year ago
learn what murder is.
Junker8 1 year ago
ok, so taking the life of a baby who can't defend himself or herself isn't murder? what exactly do you think murder is?
fingersmcoy 1 year ago
@fingersmcoy
It depends, how old is the baby?
And define BABY? Accoring to the law, abortion is not murder. And since the LAW is what we all follow....
Another question is what gives you the right to interfere in the lives of another person? What causes you to think it's ok for you to try to control another person's body?
Some people I guess are too arogant to be allowed to live.
Lucky for you, killing the arrogant isn't legal.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
yes, and at one time, the LAW said it was ok to OWN a slave. hmmm, guess that was moral too, eh? control another persons body? no, but yes, I want to interfere in anothers life, WHEN THEY WANT TO KILL SOMEONE! What is wrong with you. If someone really doesn't want a baby, use protection or don't have sex. accidents happen, but that doesn't make murder ok. you call me arrogant for wanting to protect an INNOCENT life.
fingersmcoy 1 year ago
@fingersmcoy
At the time it was, dumbass. Our country is moving AWAY from trying to control other people's bodies, NOT toward it.
I call you arrogant for ASSuming that what you believe is the only right answer. Hitler felt the same way.
People like you end up shooting people in churches.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
My way: 1 death
your way: 2 death
and no, actually most countries and american states have already abolished the death penalty.
and no, i dont think its ok, but ppl are going to get abortions. let them at least be safe.
Kinda like drugs in that way, people are gonna do them , they should at least let ppl be safe. but america is too conservative for that.
WHYCANTIFINDONE 1 year ago
40 MILLION human beings, (one-third of my generation!) would testify that abortion is not "safe" - but they can't be reached for comment because they're dead.
(Not counting the international death-toll.)
reformationboy 1 year ago
@reformationboy What if I was aborted in my previous life but then I just reincarnated into the embryo of parents that were ready, I wouldn't mind it at all.
The point is this is all equally likely, and since it depends on the nature of the supernatural, it's not the gov'ts place to say.
tweaker1bms 1 year ago
I used to think so too. I think the probably that we wont be able to agree on is that I see the children as human beings with the same rights you or I have. You don't and that is why we can't agree to disagree.
Do your research. I HAVE said, "Well, they are going to get them anyways, so why not make it legal?" For the safety of the women. But as soon as I realized the baby was a human, and even before I knew women dying from unsafe abortions amount to an insignificant number in the US
Fusion5X 1 year ago
@Fusion5X Would be working on different definitions of children for one. The terms embryo, fetus, baby, and child imply different levels of development.
Secondly, well I'm tempted to say the def. of human is in question too... but I think more importantly would be to pose the question that what about human beings necessitates them having certain rights. What qualities must be present, and honestly do humans possess those qualities at all levels of development?
tweaker1bms 1 year ago
You are probably the only person here, pro choice or pro life, that I respect.
Under the constitution, the babies don't have rights until they are born. This is why, under the definition of "US Citizen", they have no legal rights. It is legal to kill the baby. However, I still think that the baby should be given rights because he or she is human.
Humans do not possess all the characteristics of their species at all levels, but many of those characteristics are achieved only after birth.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
Aw thank you, now back to arguing... ;)
"the baby should be given rights because he or she is human."
Why is that though? What I'm trying to get at here is...what seems like a theme for a philosophy class (which isn't to knock it, those classes rock :) "What makes us Human?" or in an ethics class... "What makes humans deserving of rights?"
I think it's consciousness and even then possibly only that combined with desire, intention.
As for potential, I went into that somewhere below.
tweaker1bms 1 year ago
Not during. So, many children do not have all of the human characteristics even much after their birth. Maybe, they never will.
Language is a characteristic. Babies are not born speaking. Some never speak. My view is that the potential for developing these abilities should not be halted at the whim of a woman who "made a mistake" and "does not want to deal with the consequences."
The fact that the baby is human may stem from his or her ability to develop certain traits. Life is life.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
@Fusion5X
Life is not always life. I wouldn't want to live in a vegitative state. You wouldn't either.
Life is relative.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
I agree with the vegetative part, but that's different than being a baby.One of the properties of living things is responsiveness and people in a vegetative states don't have that. I'm partly merinthophobic (fear of being bound) so I would definitely not want to live in that case, either. I don't know if I would, given the choice, but "want to"? Most likely not.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
Why not halt it though, while it's still okay? Potential of development can go far back as the sperm or the egg, this I think is part of the arguments actually made against using contraceptives, and even against masturbation.
I'm not going to attribute those arguments to you, but I think you can see how ridiculous it could get.
So instead of dealing with potentials, I propose we deal with actuality, what is the case here and now? Are we dealing with a conscious thing or not? If no...
tweaker1bms 1 year ago
(I think its 30 something women) I did a complete 180. I think that since your arguments are so much like mine were, you'd agree with me if you just did your research. Think about it:
Abortions illegal: 60- maybe 100 deaths (including the babies)
Abortions legal: 800,000 deaths.
That's statistics.
Besides, illegal clinics in the US for any type of operation usually tend to be safer and more sterile than you'd think. I haven't looked at other countries' stats yet.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
@Fusion5X Would be better if the sources of those statistics were cited.
Some might say the nature of the deaths compared are fundamentally different. The dichotomy being either Potential Lives vs Actual Lives, or Life that has developed a consciousness vs. Life that hasn't developed a consciousness, or ....something completely different that we haven't thought of.
Either way, the comparison couldn't really be made. Seeing that, you'll begin to see the other's point of view.
tweaker1bms 1 year ago
Another one is Biologically independent life vs dependent life- which is easily rebutted by stating that not all humans who are born are biologically independent. The hospital providing care for the person cannot "pull the plug" if they have reason to believe the person may again become conscious.
The child develops consciousness in the womb, not outside of it. You could not abort at all levels of the pregnancy if you were to use that argument because the fetus develops consciouness early.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
@Fusion5X
Right, but a family mamber can choose to pull the plug at anytime after a vegitative state is diagnosed. How can we allow a husband to murder his living wife?
I believe that a chid becomes alive when it can live on it's own without machines.
Around 6 months, about when abortion becomes illegal.
How do you KNOW a fetus has consciousness? You don't, scientists have been trying to answer that question for centuries, don't tell me you cracked the case.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
A fetus has consciousness because he or she responds to their environment. Scientists say that the fetus is living because it is, but they are in a debate over whether or not it should be given human rights. There is no doubt in any way that the baby in the womb is living.
If the person is in a vegetative state for long enough that the doctors say, "They will never wake," then they can legally pull the plug. Not before. In the same way, if the baby has potential, he/she should not be discarde
Fusion5X 1 year ago
@Fusion5X
Wrong, time has nothing to do with the decision to pull life support. If a Dr. says a person is unlikely to regain consciousness (I.E. awareness), a family can remove life support whenever they decide to.
Dude, you're just making shit up at this point.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
@Rushtrdamus
Permanent vegetative state is declared after one year. Before that, it's just considered Persistent Vegetative State.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
@Fusion5X
NOT!
My Buddy just decided to pull the plug on his mom, hours after the Dr. said she would not recover from treatment. She wasn't even concidered a vegetable.
we have the right to deny treatment, and die with some self respect.
Remember Terry Shoeivo? The woman that the religious right said was communicating with her parents?
She was a vegetable for 9 years, and it turned out, that she was blind, and couldn't possibly have known her parents were in the room.
Sorry
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
@Rushtrdamus
And I'm wanting to end abortions using scientific data and definitions, not on religious beliefs.
I understand that you cannot try and tell someone who isn't of your religion to follow your religious practices. If this were a religious issue, I would be dishing out scripture verses instead of scientific facts and data.
If you haven't noticed, I've only used religion to explain the probable views of Tebow's mother to someone who specifically mentioned it.
I'm a girl, btw
Fusion5X 1 year ago
@Fusion5X
Here's the only science that matters. A fetus cannot live on it's own outside the womb until 6-7 months. Ban most abortion after that. Done.
Possible life may begin at fert. but actual life cannot exist on it's own before 6-7 months. the wierd thing is that abortions after the second tri-mester are already illegal.
The funny thing is that I don't care what her reasons were.
Now please allow every other woman to choose for themselves.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
@Rushtrdamus
Abortions after the second trimester are not already illegal; a woman can get an abortion in this country at any time. There are restrictions on minors, and rightfully so; they can't get a Tylenol at school without parents' permission, so why should they be able to get an abortion without a parent's consent?!
SamLee2n3 1 year ago
@SamLee2n3
Wrong! What if the minor is pregnant with Daddy's child? Should we force the minor to ask Daddy if it's OK?
What if mom's a nazi right winger and would force the 17 year old to have the child and give it up for adoption?
At 14 in most states, a minor can give consent to have sex, why can't they make other personal choices?
Face it dude, you and others like you are dinosaurs, either evolve or become extinct..
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
Regardless of definition, Rush is right here... it doesn't really matter. I myself just had a friends family pull the plug on their grandpa who was in a coma for only 10 days.
I don't agree with the decision myself, but I see no right for the government to interfere with it... nor for any good to come out of prosecuting the grieving family.
In dealing with the reality of the situation, do you see any good out of prosecuting, imprisoning people in these already vulnerable situations? I can't...
tweaker1bms 1 year ago
I wouldn't prosecute anyone for doing something legal like that. I don't agree with the decision either, but I certainly wouldn't say anything about it after they had done it. There isn't any point.
I don't agree with pulling, but I can't think of any reason to outlaw it save for religious ones. I think that its for God to decide when life ends but you can't argue that with a secular government.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
@Rushtrdamus
Hey wait a second. You just repeated what I said.
I said: If the patient is in that state long enough that the doctor says they'll never wake, then the family can get a petition to pull the plug.
You said: If the doctor says they'll never wake, then the family can get a petition to pull the plug.
You just repeated what I said after saying I had been wrong.
Anyways, they do have to wait a while to say "they'll never wake up." They wont just say that after 2 days.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
@Fusion5X
first of all, no Dr. will ever say that a person will never wake, and also, I said that time has nothing to do with it, you did.
And a family does not always have to petition to pull the plug, the choice falls to the next of kin, or the person with power of Atty.
My buddy just went through this with his mother a month ago. Fri. afternoon, his mother slipped into a coma, and he decided to end her suffering. At 12:15am Sat. she died after being removed from life support.
Rushtrdamus 1 year ago
@Rushtrdamus
Oh, I'm sorry. Tell him my sincere condolences and that I hope he and his family are doing well.
Fusion5X 1 year ago
Yeah I never really agreed with that division being a factor either... which is unfortunate because that seems to be the one guiding the original roe v. wade decision. After all as technology grows we could conceivably make embryos independent from the get go...
tweaker1bms 1 year ago
Agreed also that because of consciousness "You could not abort at all levels of the pregnancy", but you could at some levels, before it develops.
The earliness of it I think I would contend. As I've heard it, it develops pretty much at the third trimester cut-off date anyway, which makes it legally a moot point.
Also to throw in a possible monkey wrench to all this, which is... possibly it's not base consciousness that is important here, but personhood. Which may require experiences as well.
tweaker1bms 1 year ago
I think it develops consciousness before that because my aunt is pregnant and she uses her cell phone to blare music into the baby's ears so he'll wake up. He just turned 7 months but I heard them talking about it way before this. I tried to find when it develops consciousness online- the only thing I found was that the baby is usually sleeping for most of it's life as a fetus. What got to me was the fact that the baby calms at his mother's voice when he develops hearing. If he is calmed by a
Fusion5X 1 year ago