I'm not sure why Squirrel Rangler's comment was removed. It wasn't spam. But SR, I heard the property has been bought, a house is to be moved and a monument raised to Cleburne on the spot of the old Cotton Gin. Thanks for your comment! And again, I'm not sure why it was removed.
@JeddyRyan --I was in Franklin in 2004 & last I knew there was a Pizza Hut sitting where the Cotton Gin and Cleburne was killed. I was pretty disgusted by the matter. Such a really poor job of protecting the battlefields & you can only see a few select spots on the field and houses that were around at the time of the war. Even the trenches that was filled with blood next to the Carter house is a flower shop. People in Franklin should be shamed of there destruction of history to get rich.
He was killed near the Carter house in the infamous "assault on the Dominoes pizza". I heard the som'bitch who owns that property keeps raising the price because he knows the preservationists want it.
Bragg is very controversial but I would still name my kid after him. for the fact that he fought for the south's freedom, But this man Patrick Cleburne is a legend of the south and a hero and ranks among the many of my favorite people of the south during the time of the war and the Confederacy
This man of Ireland proves that not all men who fought for the South fought to preserve slavery. He wanted to free the slaves to fight for the South. He fought for the Confederacy due to the very warm treatment he received from his neighbors when he moved to Arkansas from Ireland.
Could you please tell me what the second song you used is? It was a very moving tribute to not only the finest General the South had, but to one of the finest Sons of Erin!
@goldensassenach He was one of six Confederate generals killed or mortally wounded in the Battle of Franklin, Tennessee on November 30, 1864. Six other generals were wounded and one was captured. Of the 27,000 men of Cheatham and Stewart's Corps that made the charge, over 6,000 were casualties. The charge at Franklin covered twice the open ground as Pickett's Charge and the men at Franklin actually broke through the Union line.
this was not just one of finest generals of any time.. but the finest .. he was the very translation of a division commander.. a visionary of unrivaled belief .. a leader of men and nations as well as races.. his loss was a loss for humanity.. not only for the south.. this as well as the loss of Jackson was something that MANKIND lost.. not just our beloved South.. that is why we morn them both so. for they.. yes they display the true feeling of the south, not the 4% of rich who ran the south.
A wonderful piece of skilful work here on your part. Hearty Congratulations !! Superb content .. it brings to life a fascinating (& ultimately sad) story of a great American Southern Patriot. And what a dashing, handsome figure he cut. The soundtrack is fabulous .. terrific authentic Irish folk tunes. One of the best postings & most polished & professional-grade-quality of its kind I've seen on YT .. you should be snapped up by a big media-production house, I think .. eg the Turner Corp ...
If Pat Cleburne had been givein the command of the army of tennesse,the war wouldv turned out very different.Bragg should have kicked out,And Cleburne put in as commander
@kleuter15 It's the theme music from 'The Last of the Mohicans', AKA 'The Gael', the name of the traditionally-dominant ethnic group of Ireland and Scotland.
@Ihateworking1 If only he had been. I think it was politics that got Hood the job. Cleburne was better suited for the post but I believe his proposal of allowing slaves to gain their freedom by fighting for the Confederate cause lost him the job.
@Ihateworking1 I think the general idea is that Cleburne would have made an ideal corps commander, but the leadership of the Army of Tennessee was a poisoned chalice. They kept switching commanders due to the following: Hood and Bragg kissing Jeff Davis' ass, constant infighting (thanks to Bragg again) and the fact that the best commander they had (Joe Johnston) hated and was hated by the President.
@Ihateworking1 -- Doubtful that Cleburne would have destroyed his own army by making the same mistake that was made at Gettysburg times how many charges? Hood had already lost his arm, his leg, was being strapped into his horse at the time of the battle. I think he was so full of vengence and hatred at this point in the war that he'd lost his logic in command. He should not have been in charge at Franklin, but, not totally sure the war wasnt already lost at that point regaurdless.
@Ihateworking1 He would have recruited many blacks into service as he wanted and tried to do, some were already fighting for the Confederacy and had done well. It would have given the Confederates many more needed troops. The only thing though was that if done so they might have escaped to join the Union or retaliated against the Confederates in battle.
@Ihateworking1 I agree. Hood may have been a good commander, but he was stubborn and shortsighted at the cost of thousands of his own men's lives. General Cleburne on the other hand was much more respected by the men, and had he been in charge, I doubt the whole ill conceived Tennesee campaign would have been attempted in the first place.
If the south should lose, it means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy. That our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers, will be impressed by all of the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision. -Patrick Cleburne-
As an Irish-American Catholic I cant help but to wonder if the Cleburnes of Co. Cork (protestant land owners), contributed to the starvation and genocide that took place. Does anyone have any info on this? I do know Cork was particularly hard hit by the famine.
Patrick Cleburne was a soldier witht he Coldstream Guards. He then studied medicine; however, failed a final exam. He immgrated to the USA and became anaccomplish lawyer in Tennesse. Right you are, Cork's Catholic Churches recorded neither marriages nor baptisms -- only funerals due to starvation.
What happened was he tried to get into Trinity College (for medicine as you say), failed and then joined the 41st Regiment of Foot (because he didn't want to embarrass his family).
I don't remember reading anywhere that he lost a sister. mpd613 may be mistaken (or a better researcher than me). The Cleburnes were middle class landowners (and a well-respected family by all religious groups because of Patrick's father's medical help given to the poor). They left for the US because they could no longer afford to keep their land.
I'm not taking anything away from his accomplishments as an officer or making any accusations, I was just curious about his family background. I'm sure not all land owners were guilty of the atrocities committed at the time. I just would not want to praise anyone with any ties to that. Thanks for the insight.
Patrick Ronayne Cleburne was the best military commander the South had. He was a solid tactician and strategist and was cool as can be under fire. Besides dying a martyr at Franklin,TN, he was wounded at least twice in combat. God bless him. He was born on St. Patrick's Day in Ireland. Old Pat is the GOODS!
I agree one hundred percent. Maybe if Cleburne wasnt always covering retreats and could have been leading, things might have come out a little different. Cleburne may have one rival, Nathan Bedford Forrest, but they had different jobs.
I have to disagree with you my friend. Pat Cleburne was not the best military commander in the South nor was he born on St Patrick's day,this is a misconception. He was one of the greatest Confederate field commanders, who was born on the 16th of Mar 1828 in Ireland.
Cleburne was easily the best field commander and would've been one of the best (or the very best) commanders overall if he wasn't held back because of his idea of arming slaves. Also, a field command is what being a general is all about. Because he didn't shuffle papers doesn't mean he wasn't more than capable. During the Atlanta Campaign he lead a Corps for a short time. His ability was never in question. There is as much info much info supporting a St. Pat's birthday as not.
My mother is one of the last of thedescendents of the Cleburne clan. Hood really screwed up, Cleburne was totally AGAINST this battle,but his protests fell on deaf ears. He was being punished for his insolence at even suggesting freeing the slaves. His last battle was punishment and his superiors knew it could not be won, but sent him there anyway. It was NOT HIS ORDER, but becasue he was a decicated soldier of the South, he had to follow it to spite his knowledge of the slaughter to come!
I live in Cleburne Texas which is only 15 miles from Granbury Texas in Johnson County.. My Great, Great , Great grandfather Albert Monroe Johnston fought alongside Cleburne at Shiloh and was wounded at Corinth. After the war he moved to Texas where I reside in Cleburne
There is a huge mural painting of General Cleburne painted on the side of a building in downtown Cleburne. I will send a picture to those who are interested.
Ok, he was born in Ireland and lived through the famine and became a druggist and a successful attorney and then led the as a General in the Confederacy to his death in Tennessee and his burial in Arkansas.
So, my question is this...what does any of this have to do with the city of Cleburne, TX? We don't even have an Irish festival and what exactly does this man have to do with our city to qualify his name?
There were two companies from Johnson County which were in Patrick Cleburne's division. Co. C and 10th Tx Inft regiment. Co. A of 18th TX dismounted Calv. Those two companies were in Granbury's TX brigade in Cleburne's division. Nearly 200 people from here served with Patrick Cleburne.
There were two companies from Johnson County which were in Patrick Cleburne's division. Co. C and 10th Tx Inft regiment. Co. A of 18th TX dismounted Calv. Those two companies were in Granbury's TX brigade in Cleburne's division. Nearly 200 people from here served with Patrick Cleburne.
Brig. Gen. Hiram B. Granbury's Brigade was in Maj. Gen. Cleburne's Division at Franklin.Those fighting under Granbury were the 6th,7th, 10th,Texas as well as the 17th, 18th, 24th, 25th, Texas Cavalry. Gen Granbury, was also killed at Franklin. There is also a town named after him in Texas, so it was only fitting that they also named a town after Mag. Gen Cleburne, their commander. I have toured the McGavock cemetery and home where Cleburne, Granbury, Strahl, & Adams were placed after the battle.
@GuruChaz Why name a city after anyone? It's all relative. In any case, Jeddy has a point. Brig. Gen. Hiram Granbury's Texas brigade fought under Cleburne.
@GuruChaz a lot of Cleburnes men were from the area of granbury texas. I believe the city was named in honor of him because so many men from the area served under him from the area.
@GuruChaz The Texas troops in the Army of Tennessee served in Granbury's Brigade of Cleburne's Division. Both of General Granbury and General Cleburne were killed in action at the Battle of Franklin, Tennessee on November 30, 1864, hence the towns being named in their honor.
@GuruChaz Most of the men who fought with him came from here at Camp Henderson here in present day Cleburne TX. The ones that made it back home admired him so much they named the town in his honor
@GuruChaz Most of the men who fought with him came from here at Camp Henderson in present day Cleburne TX. The ones that made it back home admired him so much they named the town in his honor
Yes he had lost the use of his arm at Gettysburg and had a leg amputated at Chickamauga just prior to the Battle of Franklin. He did make a bad mistake ordering the Army of Tennessee, into battle that day with his frontal assault. The union was already entrenched and waiting for them prior to this battle. I think Hood was tired & weary of battle , just wanted to win this one and end the war. The loss at Franklin turned the war in favor for the North because it wiped out all of the men fighting.
Did you know the claim that Hood was using opium didn't surface until 1941? There is absolutely no proof. Richard Ewell's amputation was far worse than Hood's, but no one accuses him of doping.
Even if that's true, Hood was obviously on some kind of painkiller which may have led to his bad decision making. In any case, the fault for a military defeat in the west lies more with people like Braxton Bragg and Jefferson Davis in my opinion (not to mention the genius of U.S. Grant).
As I understand it, laudanum was a common way to deal with pain then. Everyone was malnourished, exhausted, at the end of a very long, painful, complex war, and Hood himself claimed massive responsibility over the lives of those he'd never meet, all while missing a couple of limbs.
May this American warrior's memory be forever honoured.
My g-g-grandfather was John Morgan Adams, Company D, 45th Alabama Vols., Lowrey, Cleburne, AoT. He was wounded at Atlanta 7-22-1864 and died in Gilmer Hospital at Forsyth, Ga. on 8-2-1864. Private Adams is buried at Forsyth, Georgia in the Confederate Soldier's Cemetery. (See photo and bio of Private Adams at 'Dixie Sledge Guard' website)
My Great Great Great Grandfather Pvt Albert Monroe Johnston 22 Mississippi Co K fought in the battle of Corinth and Shiloh, both battles General Cleburne fought in. It is ironic that I now reside in Cleburne Texas witch is named in his honor
I had a great great grandfather at shiloh with the 16th mississippi at shiloh and lost one of his eyes to gunfire. Another great great grandfather with the 42nd alabama at corinth who survived there and vicksburg and signed the oath at vicksburg. He then changed his name and fought in the army of tennesee.
Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the War; will be impressed by all the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision. General Pat Cleburne, CSA
Good video. My GGgrandfather was at Franklin in Stephen Lee's Corps. They got there late & missed most of the fighting or I might not be here.
One thing the video did not mention is that Cleburne never made higher rank in large part because of his suggestion for large scale recruiting of slaves for soldiers. The idea didn't sit well with Bragg & some of the other western commanders.
Also as a southerner of Irish descent, I think the Irish would identify with our struggle. Too bad they only focus on the yankee Irish. But it's to be expected.
"Surrender means that the history of this historic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youths will be taught by northern school teachers, read from northern school books their version of the war."
Utterly sad that it happened that way. My children will know the truth of it. They will know what their ancestors fought for, and what we must still fight for. Self determination for Dixie. They will know the story of these heros.
Awesome! What's the name of the first piece of music, and what genre is it? I recognise the bit you took from Last of the Mohicans. That was a stroke of genius
Thank you! His story is so awesome and hasn't been told nearly enough. There's a military historian in Franklin named Heath Mathews who knows the Cleburne story best. He even stayed at Cleburne's birthplace in Cork. I met Heath while researching Thomas Benton Smith.
Last time I was at Bride Park, myself and some reenactor buddies (blue AND gray) camped on the grounds there. Good fun-we even did bayonet practice. We're part of a local group based in Cork.
Malcolm, I'm the guy who visited Thomas Jonathan Jackson's house in Lexington VA and told the sweet UDC ladies there that Jackson was "the Cleburne of the East".
My own "ongoing Civil War," you might say: I think that the Men of the West-Federal AND Confederate- did far more to determine the outcome than those who fought within that 90 miles between Washington & Richmond.
Would that the history books would at least do something to remedy that pro-Eastern bias.
"It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties." - General Patrick Cleburne
Thanks for the video. Brings tears to my eyes. On of my kin was with Cleburne and died at Shiloh. Andrew Derryberry, Co. G, 24th TN Infantry Killed morning of April 6 1862. May we never forget what they did!
Dixie will be free again! Count on it! THE fight is not over, just at a pause.
"Had I foreseen these results of subjugation, I would have preferred to die at Appomatox with my brave men, my sword in this right hand" Roebert E. LEE
I admit that before I saw this video I had no idea who Pat Cleburne was...and I'm quite ashamed of that. This interested me enough to do some research on Cleburne. He was a truely great general who created arguably the finest division in any army of either side but he is often overlooked or ignored simply because he was out west. A Meteor Shining Brightly from a Clouded Sky.
My loyalties are with the Union- but Cleburne was the South's finest. A division commander whose leadership and courage won the respect of men of both sides. And sadly- whereas the spot where Jackson fell is treated as hallowed ground, the place where Cleburne fell at Franklin fell is a fast food parking lot. He deserves better than that. And he & his division deserved a better fate than what Hood sent them to at Franklin.
Thanks for the comment. The Pizza Hut which was on the site is now gone and the site is part of the Franklin battlefield. A monument marks the spot where he fell. Special thanks to Heath Mathews of Franklin who has really worked to preserve the Franklin battlefield!!!!
That's a welcome bit of good news in the always grim area of battlefield preservation. I don't think another battle of the War can ever elicit the same response from me that Franklin does: while I admire Hood's personal courage, I cannot forgive him for the horror he inflicted on the finest men of which the South which will ever boast. Cleburne, to me, is emblematic of that tragic waste of fine men at Franklin.
Thank you for the info on the Cleburne monument. Now that I have time for travel I am planning on going back for some of the reenactments and visits to museums and to just experience the South in general.
Along with Robert E. Lee and Thomas Stonewall Jackson, Patrick Cleburne will take his rightful place in my Hall Of Heroes. Awesome video; I loved the music. Deo Vindice
Great vid, reminds me of the scene from "Gods and Generals" when the Irish Brigade of New York fought against the Georgia Irish Regiment. Tragically, both sides recognized how valuable we were in battle.
I live in Cleburne.
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I'm not sure why Squirrel Rangler's comment was removed. It wasn't spam. But SR, I heard the property has been bought, a house is to be moved and a monument raised to Cleburne on the spot of the old Cotton Gin. Thanks for your comment! And again, I'm not sure why it was removed.
JeddyRyan 10 months ago
@JeddyRyan --I was in Franklin in 2004 & last I knew there was a Pizza Hut sitting where the Cotton Gin and Cleburne was killed. I was pretty disgusted by the matter. Such a really poor job of protecting the battlefields & you can only see a few select spots on the field and houses that were around at the time of the war. Even the trenches that was filled with blood next to the Carter house is a flower shop. People in Franklin should be shamed of there destruction of history to get rich.
Bhobbs1985 7 months ago
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He was killed near the Carter house in the infamous "assault on the Dominoes pizza". I heard the som'bitch who owns that property keeps raising the price because he knows the preservationists want it.
At least the Pizza Hut is gone.
SquirrelRangler 10 months ago
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SquirrelRangler 10 months ago
Thank you JeddyRyan, my fellow Southron, for posting this. Let us all life our lives with honour.
FrancisDade 11 months ago
jed marum has a song "stonewall of the west " on cdbaby that is very good .
mosbysmen 11 months ago
Im related to him
TheAmazingMrDoctor 1 year ago
Bragg is very controversial but I would still name my kid after him. for the fact that he fought for the south's freedom, But this man Patrick Cleburne is a legend of the south and a hero and ranks among the many of my favorite people of the south during the time of the war and the Confederacy
101airborne07 1 year ago
Who can tell me the name of the tune at the start? it would be much appreciated
trisgilmour 1 year ago
This man of Ireland proves that not all men who fought for the South fought to preserve slavery. He wanted to free the slaves to fight for the South. He fought for the Confederacy due to the very warm treatment he received from his neighbors when he moved to Arkansas from Ireland.
TheTrimby1973 1 year ago
Could you please tell me what the second song you used is? It was a very moving tribute to not only the finest General the South had, but to one of the finest Sons of Erin!
TheTrimby1973 1 year ago
Well done vid.You should make vids like this for geneaologist.
What a battle he died in,it has to be one of the worst of the Civil War.
R.I.P. General Cleburne.
goldensassenach 1 year ago
@goldensassenach He was one of six Confederate generals killed or mortally wounded in the Battle of Franklin, Tennessee on November 30, 1864. Six other generals were wounded and one was captured. Of the 27,000 men of Cheatham and Stewart's Corps that made the charge, over 6,000 were casualties. The charge at Franklin covered twice the open ground as Pickett's Charge and the men at Franklin actually broke through the Union line.
bigreed67 1 year ago
this was not just one of finest generals of any time.. but the finest .. he was the very translation of a division commander.. a visionary of unrivaled belief .. a leader of men and nations as well as races.. his loss was a loss for humanity.. not only for the south.. this as well as the loss of Jackson was something that MANKIND lost.. not just our beloved South.. that is why we morn them both so. for they.. yes they display the true feeling of the south, not the 4% of rich who ran the south.
kingslegion1 1 year ago
Nice...thank you.
Oldirish88 1 year ago
Anyone who wants to read the definitive biography on Patrick Cleburne should get a hold of Craig L. Symonds,"Stonewall of the West."
Highly recommended.
gsm315 1 year ago
A wonderful piece of skilful work here on your part. Hearty Congratulations !! Superb content .. it brings to life a fascinating (& ultimately sad) story of a great American Southern Patriot. And what a dashing, handsome figure he cut. The soundtrack is fabulous .. terrific authentic Irish folk tunes. One of the best postings & most polished & professional-grade-quality of its kind I've seen on YT .. you should be snapped up by a big media-production house, I think .. eg the Turner Corp ...
colindominy 1 year ago
If Pat Cleburne had been givein the command of the army of tennesse,the war wouldv turned out very different.Bragg should have kicked out,And Cleburne put in as commander
drowgen 1 year ago
nice vid. well done, Keep the Colors A'Flyin
statesrights01 1 year ago
What is the name of that great music ???
kleuter15 1 year ago
@kleuter15 It's the theme music from 'The Last of the Mohicans', AKA 'The Gael', the name of the traditionally-dominant ethnic group of Ireland and Scotland.
jeffhegarty 1 year ago
God bless General Cleburne! Deo Vindice!!
Lindyblu 2 years ago
He's a badass...
I wonder what would have happened if he was commander of the Army of Tennessee instead of Hood?
Ihateworking1 2 years ago 17
Hood was a good general under smaller forces, he wasnt a very efficient general when placed in command of the Army of Tennessee
MiniInloesteam 2 years ago
@Ihateworking1 If only he had been. I think it was politics that got Hood the job. Cleburne was better suited for the post but I believe his proposal of allowing slaves to gain their freedom by fighting for the Confederate cause lost him the job.
WodenUberAlles 1 year ago
@Ihateworking1 I think the general idea is that Cleburne would have made an ideal corps commander, but the leadership of the Army of Tennessee was a poisoned chalice. They kept switching commanders due to the following: Hood and Bragg kissing Jeff Davis' ass, constant infighting (thanks to Bragg again) and the fact that the best commander they had (Joe Johnston) hated and was hated by the President.
jeffhegarty 1 year ago
@Ihateworking1 -- Doubtful that Cleburne would have destroyed his own army by making the same mistake that was made at Gettysburg times how many charges? Hood had already lost his arm, his leg, was being strapped into his horse at the time of the battle. I think he was so full of vengence and hatred at this point in the war that he'd lost his logic in command. He should not have been in charge at Franklin, but, not totally sure the war wasnt already lost at that point regaurdless.
Bhobbs1985 7 months ago
@Ihateworking1 He would have recruited many blacks into service as he wanted and tried to do, some were already fighting for the Confederacy and had done well. It would have given the Confederates many more needed troops. The only thing though was that if done so they might have escaped to join the Union or retaliated against the Confederates in battle.
AUG351 3 months ago
@Ihateworking1 I agree. Hood may have been a good commander, but he was stubborn and shortsighted at the cost of thousands of his own men's lives. General Cleburne on the other hand was much more respected by the men, and had he been in charge, I doubt the whole ill conceived Tennesee campaign would have been attempted in the first place.
richmeister22 1 month ago
If the south should lose, it means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy. That our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers, will be impressed by all of the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision. -Patrick Cleburne-
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amzi64 2 years ago
As an Irish-American Catholic I cant help but to wonder if the Cleburnes of Co. Cork (protestant land owners), contributed to the starvation and genocide that took place. Does anyone have any info on this? I do know Cork was particularly hard hit by the famine.
kfm642 2 years ago
cleburne lost a sister to the potato blight.that is why he came to america
mpd613 2 years ago
Patrick Cleburne was a soldier witht he Coldstream Guards. He then studied medicine; however, failed a final exam. He immgrated to the USA and became anaccomplish lawyer in Tennesse. Right you are, Cork's Catholic Churches recorded neither marriages nor baptisms -- only funerals due to starvation.
ErnstBecker 2 years ago 2
What happened was he tried to get into Trinity College (for medicine as you say), failed and then joined the 41st Regiment of Foot (because he didn't want to embarrass his family).
jeffhegarty 2 years ago
Was it the ColdStream Guards?
ErnstBecker 2 years ago
Oh, it was the 41st Regiment of Foot for sure. It was a Welsh regiment which ended up 50% Irish by the time Cleburne bought his discharge.
jeffhegarty 2 years ago
I don't remember reading anywhere that he lost a sister. mpd613 may be mistaken (or a better researcher than me). The Cleburnes were middle class landowners (and a well-respected family by all religious groups because of Patrick's father's medical help given to the poor). They left for the US because they could no longer afford to keep their land.
jeffhegarty 2 years ago
In any event I fail to see that that would have any bearing on his undoubted accomplishments and talents while in the service of the Confederacy.
BalboaParkJPN 2 years ago
I'm not taking anything away from his accomplishments as an officer or making any accusations, I was just curious about his family background. I'm sure not all land owners were guilty of the atrocities committed at the time. I just would not want to praise anyone with any ties to that. Thanks for the insight.
kfm642 2 years ago
That man is one of my heroes.
Braincase43 2 years ago
Patrick Ronayne Cleburne was the best military commander the South had. He was a solid tactician and strategist and was cool as can be under fire. Besides dying a martyr at Franklin,TN, he was wounded at least twice in combat. God bless him. He was born on St. Patrick's Day in Ireland. Old Pat is the GOODS!
michaelhussein 2 years ago
I agree one hundred percent. Maybe if Cleburne wasnt always covering retreats and could have been leading, things might have come out a little different. Cleburne may have one rival, Nathan Bedford Forrest, but they had different jobs.
mpd613 2 years ago
I have to disagree with you my friend. Pat Cleburne was not the best military commander in the South nor was he born on St Patrick's day,this is a misconception. He was one of the greatest Confederate field commanders, who was born on the 16th of Mar 1828 in Ireland.
noleybo56 2 years ago
Cleburne was easily the best field commander and would've been one of the best (or the very best) commanders overall if he wasn't held back because of his idea of arming slaves. Also, a field command is what being a general is all about. Because he didn't shuffle papers doesn't mean he wasn't more than capable. During the Atlanta Campaign he lead a Corps for a short time. His ability was never in question. There is as much info much info supporting a St. Pat's birthday as not.
michaelhussein 2 years ago
Happy St. Patrick"s day yall from Cleburne TX
dalejr183 2 years ago
My mother is one of the last of thedescendents of the Cleburne clan. Hood really screwed up, Cleburne was totally AGAINST this battle,but his protests fell on deaf ears. He was being punished for his insolence at even suggesting freeing the slaves. His last battle was punishment and his superiors knew it could not be won, but sent him there anyway. It was NOT HIS ORDER, but becasue he was a decicated soldier of the South, he had to follow it to spite his knowledge of the slaughter to come!
maryfbex 3 years ago
GOD BLESS, DIXIE!
May She Rise Up! Out of The Ashes!
Dio Vindice!
rebelstang 3 years ago 2
I live in Cleburne Texas which is only 15 miles from Granbury Texas in Johnson County.. My Great, Great , Great grandfather Albert Monroe Johnston fought alongside Cleburne at Shiloh and was wounded at Corinth. After the war he moved to Texas where I reside in Cleburne
dalejr183 2 years ago
A Good & Noble Hihistory!
Have a Good One!
Deo Vindice!
rebelstang 2 years ago
Me, too.... well, not Johnston, but you get the idea. A minor note, tho: Granbury is the seat of Hood County. Irony. :D
ldhummingbird 2 years ago
There is a huge mural painting of General Cleburne painted on the side of a building in downtown Cleburne. I will send a picture to those who are interested.
dalejr183 3 years ago
Ok, he was born in Ireland and lived through the famine and became a druggist and a successful attorney and then led the as a General in the Confederacy to his death in Tennessee and his burial in Arkansas.
So, my question is this...what does any of this have to do with the city of Cleburne, TX? We don't even have an Irish festival and what exactly does this man have to do with our city to qualify his name?
GuruChaz 3 years ago
There were two companies from Johnson County which were in Patrick Cleburne's division. Co. C and 10th Tx Inft regiment. Co. A of 18th TX dismounted Calv. Those two companies were in Granbury's TX brigade in Cleburne's division. Nearly 200 people from here served with Patrick Cleburne.
dalejr183 3 years ago
Not sure, Guru. Wasn't he the major general over some of the texas troops? Perhaps some of the men who admired him named their town after him.
JeddyRyan 3 years ago
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There were two companies from Johnson County which were in Patrick Cleburne's division. Co. C and 10th Tx Inft regiment. Co. A of 18th TX dismounted Calv. Those two companies were in Granbury's TX brigade in Cleburne's division. Nearly 200 people from here served with Patrick Cleburne.
dalejr183 3 years ago
the odds of a Southern city naming itself after a successful Conferderate general ......
paratrooper321fa 3 years ago
Brig. Gen. Hiram B. Granbury's Brigade was in Maj. Gen. Cleburne's Division at Franklin.Those fighting under Granbury were the 6th,7th, 10th,Texas as well as the 17th, 18th, 24th, 25th, Texas Cavalry. Gen Granbury, was also killed at Franklin. There is also a town named after him in Texas, so it was only fitting that they also named a town after Mag. Gen Cleburne, their commander. I have toured the McGavock cemetery and home where Cleburne, Granbury, Strahl, & Adams were placed after the battle.
SoBelleofTN 3 years ago
@JeddyRyan patrick cleburne was leading missouri confederates not texans
Southernjuggalo63 9 months ago
@GuruChaz I guess whoever named the place just had good taste!
jeffhegarty 1 year ago
@GuruChaz Why name a city after anyone? It's all relative. In any case, Jeddy has a point. Brig. Gen. Hiram Granbury's Texas brigade fought under Cleburne.
jeffhegarty 1 year ago
@GuruChaz a lot of Cleburnes men were from the area of granbury texas. I believe the city was named in honor of him because so many men from the area served under him from the area.
mpd613 1 year ago
@GuruChaz The Texas troops in the Army of Tennessee served in Granbury's Brigade of Cleburne's Division. Both of General Granbury and General Cleburne were killed in action at the Battle of Franklin, Tennessee on November 30, 1864, hence the towns being named in their honor.
bigreed67 1 year ago
@GuruChaz It's was named to honor him by the men from the area that served under him in the war for Southern independence.
shootertom 1 year ago
@GuruChaz Most of the men who fought with him came from here at Camp Henderson here in present day Cleburne TX. The ones that made it back home admired him so much they named the town in his honor
dalejr183 11 months ago
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@GuruChaz Most of the men who fought with him came from here at Camp Henderson in present day Cleburne TX. The ones that made it back home admired him so much they named the town in his honor
dalejr183 11 months ago
Why oh why did you have to send those men to their deaths in a suicidal assault John Hood.
philipg52 3 years ago
Hood was doped up out of his gourd, that's why.
byron84 3 years ago
Yes he had lost the use of his arm at Gettysburg and had a leg amputated at Chickamauga just prior to the Battle of Franklin. He did make a bad mistake ordering the Army of Tennessee, into battle that day with his frontal assault. The union was already entrenched and waiting for them prior to this battle. I think Hood was tired & weary of battle , just wanted to win this one and end the war. The loss at Franklin turned the war in favor for the North because it wiped out all of the men fighting.
SoBelleofTN 3 years ago
Did you know the claim that Hood was using opium didn't surface until 1941? There is absolutely no proof. Richard Ewell's amputation was far worse than Hood's, but no one accuses him of doping.
supermanbhc 2 years ago
Even if that's true, Hood was obviously on some kind of painkiller which may have led to his bad decision making. In any case, the fault for a military defeat in the west lies more with people like Braxton Bragg and Jefferson Davis in my opinion (not to mention the genius of U.S. Grant).
byron84 2 years ago
Your correct about the west, Byron. The war was lost long before the Battle of Franklin.
supermanbhc 2 years ago
Lemme see if I can get this right.
As I understand it, laudanum was a common way to deal with pain then. Everyone was malnourished, exhausted, at the end of a very long, painful, complex war, and Hood himself claimed massive responsibility over the lives of those he'd never meet, all while missing a couple of limbs.
Is that a decent summary?
ldhummingbird 2 years ago
Outstanding video!!! The best!!
supermanbhc 3 years ago
Thank you! The subject matter made it easy.
JeddyRyan 3 years ago
May this American warrior's memory be forever honoured.
My g-g-grandfather was John Morgan Adams, Company D, 45th Alabama Vols., Lowrey, Cleburne, AoT. He was wounded at Atlanta 7-22-1864 and died in Gilmer Hospital at Forsyth, Ga. on 8-2-1864. Private Adams is buried at Forsyth, Georgia in the Confederate Soldier's Cemetery. (See photo and bio of Private Adams at 'Dixie Sledge Guard' website)
provonono 3 years ago
Awesome vid!!! Best Cleburne vid I've seen on here. Great music.
JohnGlasgowfromSears 3 years ago
Thanks John. LOL
JeddyRyan 3 years ago
My Great Great Great Grandfather Pvt Albert Monroe Johnston 22 Mississippi Co K fought in the battle of Corinth and Shiloh, both battles General Cleburne fought in. It is ironic that I now reside in Cleburne Texas witch is named in his honor
dalejr183 3 years ago
I had a great great grandfather at shiloh with the 16th mississippi at shiloh and lost one of his eyes to gunfire. Another great great grandfather with the 42nd alabama at corinth who survived there and vicksburg and signed the oath at vicksburg. He then changed his name and fought in the army of tennesee.
mpd613 3 years ago
I wonder if our ancestors saw this great man. Cleburne is my favorite csa general. I am from louisiana.
mpd613 3 years ago
Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the War; will be impressed by all the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision. General Pat Cleburne, CSA
HardyRoundtree 3 years ago
"Do your duty in all things... You cannot do more;
you should never wish to do less." -R.E. Lee
HardyRoundtree 3 years ago
"Do your dutry in all things... You cannot do more;
you should never wish to do less."
-R.E. Lee
HardyRoundtree 3 years ago
Good video. My GGgrandfather was at Franklin in Stephen Lee's Corps. They got there late & missed most of the fighting or I might not be here.
One thing the video did not mention is that Cleburne never made higher rank in large part because of his suggestion for large scale recruiting of slaves for soldiers. The idea didn't sit well with Bragg & some of the other western commanders.
madtal 3 years ago
Also as a southerner of Irish descent, I think the Irish would identify with our struggle. Too bad they only focus on the yankee Irish. But it's to be expected.
CapnConfederacy 3 years ago 2
Cleburne was actually part of the Protestant Ascendancy.
americansharpy 3 years ago
"Surrender means that the history of this historic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youths will be taught by northern school teachers, read from northern school books their version of the war."
General Patrick Cleburne
wilfredsnipple 3 years ago 4
His words ring true. But My children will be taught the truth of the struggle. Public education can go to hell.
Luftwaffels 3 years ago 3
Utterly sad that it happened that way. My children will know the truth of it. They will know what their ancestors fought for, and what we must still fight for. Self determination for Dixie. They will know the story of these heros.
CapnConfederacy 3 years ago
i say give em cold steele the yanks
southerngentleman04 3 years ago
Well said my friend. It's sure as hell what they deserve.
CapnConfederacy 3 years ago
Awesome! What's the name of the first piece of music, and what genre is it? I recognise the bit you took from Last of the Mohicans. That was a stroke of genius
jeffhegarty 4 years ago
It was just an irish jig. I can't remember the name of the tune.
JeddyRyan 4 years ago
Gotcha. Cool video
jeffhegarty 4 years ago
Thank you! His story is so awesome and hasn't been told nearly enough. There's a military historian in Franklin named Heath Mathews who knows the Cleburne story best. He even stayed at Cleburne's birthplace in Cork. I met Heath while researching Thomas Benton Smith.
JeddyRyan 4 years ago
Last time I was at Bride Park, myself and some reenactor buddies (blue AND gray) camped on the grounds there. Good fun-we even did bayonet practice. We're part of a local group based in Cork.
jeffhegarty 4 years ago
Do you know Liam McCallister? He's from Cork City. Do you know D J Murphy?
JeddyRyan 4 years ago
I know Liam better than I do DJ, but yeah
jeffhegarty 4 years ago
Heath says when he went to Cork, DJ took him to Cool Mountain.
JeddyRyan 4 years ago
What's the story about Benton Smith? Is he not in some sort of controversy at the moment with Cleburne over who was the best division commander?
jeffhegarty 4 years ago
Gallant Pat! Stonewall of the West!
malcolm808080 4 years ago
"Stonewall of the West!"
Malcolm, I'm the guy who visited Thomas Jonathan Jackson's house in Lexington VA and told the sweet UDC ladies there that Jackson was "the Cleburne of the East".
My own "ongoing Civil War," you might say: I think that the Men of the West-Federal AND Confederate- did far more to determine the outcome than those who fought within that 90 miles between Washington & Richmond.
Would that the history books would at least do something to remedy that pro-Eastern bias.
BenAliGtor 3 years ago
Awesome. Thanks for posting.
rallytocleburne 4 years ago
"It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties." - General Patrick Cleburne
HeritageNotHateProd 4 years ago
Very good 5 stars and favorited!
HeritageNotHateProd 4 years ago 2
Thanks for the video. Brings tears to my eyes. On of my kin was with Cleburne and died at Shiloh. Andrew Derryberry, Co. G, 24th TN Infantry Killed morning of April 6 1862. May we never forget what they did!
Dixie will be free again! Count on it! THE fight is not over, just at a pause.
"Had I foreseen these results of subjugation, I would have preferred to die at Appomatox with my brave men, my sword in this right hand" Roebert E. LEE
DEO VINDICE
grizlander 4 years ago 2
Sorry for the typo...
The world misses men of his caliber!
HardyRoundtree 4 years ago 2
Thank you for this video.
The world misses me of his caliber.
HardyRoundtree 4 years ago
I ment men of His Caliber.
HardyRoundtree 4 years ago
I admit that before I saw this video I had no idea who Pat Cleburne was...and I'm quite ashamed of that. This interested me enough to do some research on Cleburne. He was a truely great general who created arguably the finest division in any army of either side but he is often overlooked or ignored simply because he was out west. A Meteor Shining Brightly from a Clouded Sky.
11nytram11 4 years ago 2
This was a great video! Cleburne is by far my most favorite Civil War general.
lojafan 4 years ago
My loyalties are with the Union- but Cleburne was the South's finest. A division commander whose leadership and courage won the respect of men of both sides. And sadly- whereas the spot where Jackson fell is treated as hallowed ground, the place where Cleburne fell at Franklin fell is a fast food parking lot. He deserves better than that. And he & his division deserved a better fate than what Hood sent them to at Franklin.
BenAliGtor 4 years ago
Thanks for the comment. The Pizza Hut which was on the site is now gone and the site is part of the Franklin battlefield. A monument marks the spot where he fell. Special thanks to Heath Mathews of Franklin who has really worked to preserve the Franklin battlefield!!!!
JeddyRyan 4 years ago
That's a welcome bit of good news in the always grim area of battlefield preservation. I don't think another battle of the War can ever elicit the same response from me that Franklin does: while I admire Hood's personal courage, I cannot forgive him for the horror he inflicted on the finest men of which the South which will ever boast. Cleburne, to me, is emblematic of that tragic waste of fine men at Franklin.
BenAliGtor 4 years ago
Thank you for the info on the Cleburne monument. Now that I have time for travel I am planning on going back for some of the reenactments and visits to museums and to just experience the South in general.
3rdconfederate 4 years ago
One priceless Son of Erin
vass02 4 years ago
Nice summary on the life of a great but forgotten hero. Check out the CLEBURNE GRAPHIC NOVEL by Rampart Press.
rampartpress 4 years ago
Along with Robert E. Lee and Thomas Stonewall Jackson, Patrick Cleburne will take his rightful place in my Hall Of Heroes. Awesome video; I loved the music. Deo Vindice
3rdconfederate 4 years ago
Well done. Maybe you should have mentioned his famous and prophetic words concerning defeat, history, and education though. 5 stars.
ichykawa 4 years ago
Excellant video to honour a truly great soldier long remember the Stonewall of the West
Stonewall9 4 years ago
Please see my video on Brig. Gen. Thomas Benton Smith, C.S.A. He is not as well known as Cleburne but he has an amazing story.
JeddyRyan 4 years ago
Thank you, he was fine member of the master race.........The irish
sheriffone1 4 years ago
Great vid, reminds me of the scene from "Gods and Generals" when the Irish Brigade of New York fought against the Georgia Irish Regiment. Tragically, both sides recognized how valuable we were in battle.
blunt1984 4 years ago
Very well done, an excellent tribute to one of the Confederacy's finest generals. You did a great job.
BigOrangeTitan 4 years ago
*clap clap* Well done.
JakeMan1569872 4 years ago