@kizzybixum Is there anything around that she can stand on? Sometimes she needs a bit of help so if theres a box around then you can push that near to where you want her to climb so she can use it to stand on. When you use the call action will you're on the ledge above then you can help her up. She will not climb ropes but I think she can climb ladders but sometimes you have to encourage her to follow by either dragging or calling her. :)
ICO is a great game but part of that greatness comes from inspiration it got from Zelda. I think that it obvious. Similary many other great games learn from games from the past. It is not bad thing to harness good things. This is why games like Ape Escape are so good. They concentrate on things that work.
I think that ICO is a masterpiece. It has elements that reminds me of Zelda and Kingdom Hearts and the environment of the game feels very Myst- and Riven-ish to me. Zelda is a series of great games, Kingdom Hearts is a series of great games and ICO is a standalone, epic, beautiful game that I don't think should be compared to Zelda simply due to the fact that Zelda probably has a bigger fanbase and therefore will blindly be looked upon as a superior game, even if it was not. ICO is in my opinio
-What do you peoples think, underrated or overrated? Here is what i think: Good: *Atmostphere. *One of the better Zelda rip -offs. *Interesting. Bad: *Only one idea/princess/deku stick/dungeon. *Can`t compete with Zelda. *No music. *Same enemies over and over again, with only one boss.
@ThomasScottCarson Yes, particulary it heavily rip -offs the ending scenario from the Zelda: Ocarina Of Time, where you escape the castle together with princess Zelda. Also, the whole atmostphere of ICO is extremely similar to Zelda -games. ICO is still a good game, but pales in comparison with Zeldas scope and thinking behing the whole concept.
Odd, because I've just completed this game and haven't received a single Zelda feel whilst doing so. Atmospherically it is akin to the PS1 Tomb Raider games but that's it. The absence of additional gear also substantiates the notion that Ico isn't comparable to Zelda games. Why must you have to compare the two anyway? Is that ALL gamers do nowadays?
@Icolossu It is not that simple. I doupt that ICO would have even that one Deku Stick without it being first on Zelda. Also, ICO`s puzzles are really Zelda -ish. What ICO has, it borrows. But then again who really cares, it is still fun.
Not at all considering the fact that Zelda has maps, compasses and treasure chests that require the resolution of puzzles in order to be acquired and the items obtained usually serve as tools for the subsequent dungeons. ICO has no Eye of Truth, Bow, Heart Pieces, health bar, magic, Slingshot, Mirror Shield and so forth. ICO is ICO and isn't relative to Zelda in any way shape or form. Amnesia was set within a castle, doesn't mean it "borrows" from Zelda. SoTC isn't GoW, either.
@Icolossu -You just explained why ICo is so short and inferior to Zelda! Also, you don`t need to collect maps or compass in order to complete Zelda dungeons. Zelda offers everything ICO does, and much more. ICO is like simple version of Zelda.
The point is that you collect things in Zelda to help you and you have hints given to you. ICO emphasises on escape and not the recycled "kill the evil bad guy who seeks world domination and save the world" stuff. ICO doesn't aspire to be Zelda and simplicity doesn't relegate it's worth. Zelda is repetitive, stale and perforated with predictability. By your simple logic, Shadow of The Colossus borrows from God of War JUST for possessing gargantuan bosses that must be climbed.
@Icolossu My point was: ICO does not have one original weapon/scenario. It offers 10% of the gameplay content of Zelda. -When you take a look at this 10 -minute YouTube -clip you have seen everything ICO has to offer. Please note: This is my opinion only, most peoples like overly simple games instead.
For the second time: ICO's simplicity is where it shines. If you're incapable of comprehending simplicity then irony runs in your blood. In Zelda, you aren't protecting someone over the course of the entire game and thus care little for the fate of Zelda or Hyrule. There's no innovation in the Zelda games and the same plot is reused and overused with reckless abandon. No, this video does no justice to the game, it was that ignorance that caused my younger self to avoid ICO until now.
@Icolossu My point was: ICO would not even be made or released without Zelda -games. ICO is a great game, but Zelda is better. This is just my opinion.
That's awfully arrogant of you to say. No one could possibly claim that something wouldn't come to fruition without a predecessor. Dante's Inferno may have still been developed without God of War, Silent Hill may have still been developed without Resident Evil, Sonic may have been developed without Mario and so on. You're entitled to your opinion but don't attempt to pass it as fact. Zelda isn't better than ICO, you just think it is. ICO doesn't borrow from Zelda is the point.
@Icolossu That is just your opinon, not the fact. Same goes for my opinion. Your opinion is not any more "valid" than my opinion and vice versa. If you like ICO more, then go ahead. For me however, there was not anything new on ICO. But it was still a nice game, but too short to be adventure.
No, there's a line between ignorance and opinion and you leans towards the former. It is irrefutable that you only think Zelda games are better, which isn't fact. Stop repeating what I'M saying, too, it's quite annoying. Focus on the initial topic anyway, which was ICO supposedly stealing elements from Zelda. (Which it doesn't, regardless if you think it's an opinion or not.)
@Icolossu What is new to you may not be new to others. Perhaps you have played too much of ICO since you can not understand text: This is my opinion only!
Me? You're the one incapable of deciphering the English language. You ignore anything said and hear only what you want to hear. If it's new to gaming it's new to everyone hence why it's new, because no other game has done it and thus, can't be old.
You've said it's your opinion twice before, I get it.
@Icolossu New? You are talking a game released more than 10 years ago. And all i said was that a game released few years before ICO had a scenario where you escaped the castle with princess and they helped each others in order to do so. And yes, you could use a stick as a weapon on that game also. Please note, that i do like ICO, but not as much as that other game i`m talking about. It is OK if you prefer ICO...
My God! Are you stupid! New at the time of release FFS! Are you common sense intolerant or something? You said ICO borrows from Zelda and took influence from it. You referred to the wooden stick as a Deku stick, clearly an indication to your belief that ICO is Sony's attempt at producing something Zelda-ish.
Yes, I know you like ICO you've repeated it several times. I said you're entitled to your opinion did I not?
I remember ico being a little overrated at the time of its release honestly (my opinion)
But i guess as of 2011 or even 2008 (year this video was posted) its fair to say it's underrated, but then again almost every ps2 game is underrated these days.
This is the most underrated game on your list, i suggest adding GOD HAND! its one of the best ps2 games and i own almost every game you have on this list
Omg, just watching this, I seriously need to play this game! Am completely immersed by it, can just tell it'll be such a unique and great experience, not to mention the environment is just plain beautiful. Looks overall gorgeous and pure art.
Huh... Ive been watching a bunch of your vids and have agreed with most of what you have picked as underrated games, but this? Hellll nooooo.... dude, they're remastering and putting out on ps3, don't think that's considered underrated lol.... oh yeah, awesome game.
@NohSky lol Im tottally sincere, I played this game and disliked it very much so, then later while on youtube this video pops up in the side bar calling it underrated, I watched this video purely to see his opinion and when I disagreed with it I disliked the video as that is what you are supposed to do if u dislike a video. being hard to find doesnt make a game underrated, over here you will have as hard of a time getting kingdom hearts 1 as ico also why use kingdom hearts as an example?
@MrMasticater kingdom hearts 1 and 2 are 20 bucks and in almost every game stop. ico is 40 and rarely in a gamestop. everyone has their own opinion and if you dont like it thats cool but i doubt you beat it cause this game is amazing i cant imagine a gamer not liking it.
@MrSalmon88 there u go again liek all the others who liek this game completely contradicting themselves "you dont liek it thats cool" and hten "I cant imagine a gamer not liking it" noone can seem to accept the fact that there are intelligent gamers who dislike these games you all jsut seem so pretentious
@NohSky cas I dont like the game lol and its far from underrated anyway the title is wrong, it is supposed to be one of the best ever how is that underrated?
Saw this game in gamestop for 40 dollars used and with the cheap gamestop case. How dare they charge that much for a game and don't even include the original case and manual. Not that this game isn't worth it but I'd rather pay that much for it if it came with that stuff.
I only played the demo of this but I loved it. :D This game does seem a bit underrated somehow, but what about Shadow of the Colossus? Everyone seems to know about that game.
@nathninetyone why do people like you always have to fucking jinx it. There would be no dislikes if would have never said that. you should know how many tools are on youtube
@Swoop223 Look buddy the point is clear ask 10000 gamers if the know MGS, FF, Zelda, Half Life, COD, Gears of War and Ico geuss what will be least known
THe term you need to use is Overlooked. A ton of the games you have in your "Underrated Gem" series are games that were very well recieved by both professional review sites/mags and by gamers as well. ICO is an exception since it wasn't so much overlooked as it was underplayed thanks to Sony dropping the ball and printing nowhere near enough copies of the game.
ICO was literally the industry buzz game for like 3 years. it's hailed as one of the best PS2 Era games ever created.
I almost makes me sad people would call this innovative. Have we really gone so far as to thinking there are only few ways to make a game? I kind of wish more developers would not sit at their computers referencing for greatest hits and just stick to a drawing board like these people have. You'll soon realize that it's not impossible to make an amazing game that hasn't been made before. Sadly though through the taste of the majority the most original and fun games always ends up in your list. :[
I have a feeling that this game is the ancestor of Prince of Persia : The Sands of Time, which then became the ancestor of moderns Tomb Raider, Mirror's Edge and oher games that brought platforming far from Mario Land. They share a quite similar gameplay based on combat and linear exploration with a lot of assisted, spectacular jumping/climbing. Honestly, I didn't like Ico very much. I gave up with the game shortly after the Windmill scene. But I'm sure I would have been more enthusiast in 2001.
@acliquant Prince of Persia in 2D begat Tomb Raider in 3D (which came out only slightly after Mario 64 meaning it wasn't influenced by it), and Tomb Raider in 3D bagat PoP in 3D, and just about a million other games, Tomb Raider and Mario 64 that is. But for games like this, there's more Tomb Raider influence than Mario.
@teh2Dgamer Yes, I think you are right. The 2D Prince of Persia games and the early Tomb Raider games (those made by Core Design) share a similar game design. And, indeed, I think that the platform game genre is split in two. On one side are PoP, TR, Ico, Mirror's Edge, Uncharted (I presume, though I didn't play it yet) and son on...
@acliquant The problem is, the games you listed aren't considered platformers at all. They are straight up adventure games. Platformers are a sub-genre of adventure games. The games you mentioned have more complex fighting systems as you mentioned, and they don't center around collecting and the floating platform types. They have more action to their exploration, and have different goals than platformers.
@teh2Dgamer And on the other side are Mario, DKC, B&K... which happen to be my favourite for they allow more freedom and accuracy in the exploration/platform jumping part despite having basic combat systems.
@acliquant I hope you don't mean DKC64. That game wasn't that great at all. I liked it at first, but there is such a thing as too much collecting, and DKC64 found that mark. The game becomes very tedious over time. I lost interest before I ever beat it. I'm still pretty far into it, but the collecting just got out of hand.
Hey guys. This and the spiritual sequel (that's most likely a prequel), Shadow of the Colossus are being packaged together and enhanced w/ HD, Trophies, and even 3D for PS3. Release date is supposedly Spring next year.
@stargateheaven23 Ico was originally started development as a PS1 game, but the PS2 was coming out, so it got delayed so it could be made & released on PS2, similar to the first Onimusha. The PS1 Beta was only shown on a making of disk that came w/ certain versions of Shadow of the Colossus, but you can find vids of that here on youtube.
I never got a chance to play this game so I'm excited for the collection Sony's releasing on HD as well as the third part in the series, The Last Guardian.
@DivineBanana Not at all if it was the price for it would not be so high i just paid 40 bucks for it too me its a tad overrated some prices online can go to as high as 200 bucks or 100 game stop had the best price.
@teh2Dgamer uumm it is prob better than what ign is doing being rated on titles and not gameplay, graphix, char deign, story, sound, every possibilty in the game needs to be considered so i understand your point
@BlueFurryFox Only the gameplay really matters. The character could be a large blue square, have no story, and horrid graphics, and a game can still be great if it plays great.
Whereas a game can have great graphics, in-depth storyline, and interesting characters, and still be a crappy game if it plays like crap.
@teh2Dgamer gameplay is not the only thing that matters in a game just how taste is not the only thing that matters in food if it looks like crap i wont even try to eat it its the same with a game with bad graphics its lazy to have bad graphics in this time era graphics also all ties together with game play like this game with out his graphic body movement it would not look right when he jumps and grabs onto things sound also plays a part not just game play
@opp861 This game's graphics look like poo when compared to anything from today, so tell me how much the graphics matter. The only graphical issue that matters is the gameplay engine. It it runs like crap the game will run like crap, and play like crap. However, how pretty the visuals are don't matter. Especially if you come back in a few years. As for you not trying food because it looks gross, don't put your own personal hang-up on gaming. Real gamers don't give a crap about visuals.
@teh2Dgamer it looks like poo now because time has passed it by as will it do with all other games no one complains about good looking graphics they do complain about bad looking graphics how ever and bad looking graphics are a turn off the Food comment was just an example you do not compare old games to new games in turn of graphics because of course the new games are going to be better half of what made this game interesting was its unique art style which requires graphics.
@teh2Dgamer you are talking as if The visuals do not play a large part in video games if things stayed the same from graphics like astroids this right here ico would not have been made because they would have seen no point in making 3D polygons when graphics advance so does game play it allows for more options and things to be done and its also a art and style to look at REAL GAMERS LIKE VISUALS we would all not be happy looking at two blinking lights all day which we would if it was up to you.
@teh2Dgamer every part of the game plays a large part the music game play and YES graphics each part makes up the game into what it is look how some people just fell in love with the music of FF it set the mood and feeling of the game or also with games like MGS whos music is very remembered from the game and thats not even the game its self and it would not be the same with out same goes for graphics and what the player sees.
I remember the first time I played ico, I got so frustrated with it that I played it till 12 o'clock at night, and I was only 9. Shadow of the collosos is defiantly a great game
I wouldn't title the video as underrated. It's not underrated, just relatively unknown to the casual gamer. I collect PS2 titles, not to mention it is my favorite system of all time. On the game collecting sites I take part of it's pretty much a sin not to have heard of Ico. And when someone says they don't like the game. Well then we just kill them.
I'm to stupid to solve some bridge puzzle in ICO and confused about 1 of Colloss scum.I managed to bring him down as soon as I met him for the 1st time,but it's like he learned what he should not do,so I can't repeat the process.It makes me cry almost as much as FFX ending.
So obviously I haven't seen the endings and I don't want to see them here.
@SupremeGameslord: Ueda said he likes to make different games. He doesn't like to make sequels that copy all previous gameplay and are unoriginal. I think you may be confused because of his style in making new games.
Ahh...I remember this being on one of the first demo's I got. It also had demo's for Soul Reaver 2 and Zone Of The Enders. I got this game, thought the atmosphere was amazing...and this is the game that led me to learn about Shadow's of Colossus. :)
@Hanagigi It was super underrated for it's time, but the media has since pelted us with this game, so that's why I say it's an overrated underrated game. It's gotten a lot more exposure since, but got almost none at the time.
@Hanagigi I red a few reviews from the time it came and most of them praised this game so it definitely was NOT underrated. But the exposure is a completely different thing. A game may be praised for its qualities but doesn't have to make a huge selling.
I hate how everyone always thinks that when a game doesn't have too much media exposure then it's automatically underrated. That's complete bullshit.
@finrandil Exactly, I still have a magazine where they gave it 9/10 and praised every aspect of it, as many many other reviewers did.
It's like saying that God Hand and killer7 were underrated, they were (and are) just too excellent and peculiar for most gamers, especially in these times.
@Hanagigi Yeah, underplayed doesn't mean underrated. I hate when people call games like ICO and Beyond Good and Evil underrated. They aren't underrated, most everyone who plays them thinks highly of them. They are just underplayed.
@seinormexicano Overlooked=underrated. Again, when I say Greenday is the most overrated band of all time is it because of some rating or is it because of the huge amount of attention they get from not only the media, but from their loud annoying fans? Just like in the flip side if I said another band was underrated, it would be because no one has heard of them.
Underrated: Not enough recognition for its quality
Underplayed: Played by a small number
They definitely play into each other, but they are not one in the same. Recognition is not only measured in dollars. I agree Greenday sucks. They are the exact opposite of ICO. They have a huge amount of people paying for their albums (high schoolers with new found political opinions) while older people realize they are now one of the worst bands ever.
@seinormexicano I was just using them as an example, however, ICO until they re-release also qualifies as underplayed. It has gotten a lot of recognition from the gaming media as of late, but up till a few years ago (adfter years and years of it getting number one on just about every underrated list from the gaming media) most gamers didn't care about it. It's the same with Beyond Good and Evil. Both have gotten more recognition lately though.
@teh2Dgamer That's what I said in the first place...both are underplayed, not underrated. They are getting more recognition because of their upcoming re-releases. My point is that a large amount of people (including major video game websites who release "underrated" lists) are incorrectly using the word "underrated", and should instead use "underplayed". Not a big deal, just thought I'd point it out.
@teh2Dgamer How about we use a dictionary instead of the Urban Dictionary. The people providing definitions for underrated on Urban Dictionary are just ignorant people that don't know what the word means. I've already provided some good (correct) definitions of the two words in a previous comment.
@seinormexicano Furthermore, the term "underplayed" has never been a term in use, will never be a term in use, and you probably just made it up to begin with. In my 22 years of gaming that include interacting with gamers, reading gaming mags, or visiting online forums, I've never heard that term used, so underrated belongs before underplayed.
@teh2Dgamer Just because a term isn't used often doesn't mean it isn't better suited to describe something. Here is the fact of the matter: ICO isn't underrated because the vast majority of people who played it would "rate" it very well. It's really that simple. How can something be underrated when it is rated well across the board. You are using an incorrect word to describe what you are trying to say. Sorry to break it to you.
@seinormexicano I was just showing you the common vernacular of the word, and modern usages of the words. If you're going on proper usage of words, then the entire english language we speak today is completely "incorrect."
Under played isn't a term that's not often used, it's a term that's never been used. You make a term up, and then expect us to accept it, piss off kid.
@teh2Dgamer I didn't make up the word "underplayed." What the fuck are you talking about? Also, you used the word vernacular incorrectly. Vernacular refers to a set of words used by a group people, not the specific use of a single word. You obviously have a weak grasp of the English language.
To prove your point, though, I guess languages always evolve and I must come to terms with the fact that the incorrect use of the word "underrated" will eventually become the actual definition.
@seinormexicano One of the definitions of vernacular is- the plain variety of language in everyday use by ordinary people, and in the plain variety of language, it still fits. Quit trying to sound like you're so damn smart, when in fact Underplayed has NEVER been used as a term in gaming, and will never be used. Again, I've been playing games for 22 years there son, so I can actually remember how the word has been used in the past without some dumb jackass trying to come in and change the usage.
@teh2Dgamer What I'm trying to explain is that using the word for 22 years doesn't mean it's correct.
22 years? Does that make you hardcore? I guess so, or else you wouldn't mention it over and over. I've been playing games for a long time too, get over it.
@seinormexicano It doesn't make me hardcore, but it means I have more idea of what I'm talking about in terms of gaming history, and the usage of terms throughout that history. If you weren't a part of my generation, of the generation before mine in gaming, then just shut the fuck up. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're just another dumbass kid trying to add new terms to gaming that never existed. Underplayed? You sound like you're cooking a fucking turkey or something.
@seinormexicano Sorry kid, we're not in the same gaming generation. Four years may not sound like much, but it's the difference between watching Voltron when you were younger, and watching the Power Rangers. It's also the difference between the Nes being your first gaming system, and the Snes/Genesis being your first. I remember the 80's and early 90's, and you don't remember them at all.
@teh2Dgamer My first gaming system was the NES. I watched Voltron. What's your point? We are totally part of the same generation. You are wrong once again.
@seinormexicano Sure you did (voltron was just a small example), and sure it was. Even if the Nes was your first system, you don't remember it during it's heyday meaning you're not in my gaming generation. My generation was at the cutting point between the cultures of two decades. You're too young to remember it. Not just in gaming but we hit between culture of the 80' and the 90's. You're not in that gaming generation, and you're definitely not in the culture generation.
@seinormexicano Furthermore, this argument is lame as hell, because the fact the you tried to make up some bullshit new term (underplayed) that's never been used by any respectable gamers in any gaming mag, website, or on any gaming forums I've ever visited is why we're in this argument. Only younger-gen gamers do that shit to begin with.
I know a shit-ton more about gaming gaming culture past and present than you ever will, so why don't you just go get another beiber haircut and STFU.
@teh2Dgamer Oh, I see where that point came from now. It's because you watched my videos. I took the videos, so you can't see me in them. That person who looks like a bitch is my friend. I make fun of him for it every time I see him.
@teh2Dgamer The argument at hand isn't about what you or I know about video game culture or history, it is about the use of the word underrated. All of the people who have previously called a game in the same situation as ICO "underrated" have been wrong. ICO is heavily acclaimed. If I had never played a video game in my life, I'd still be correct. You are using the wrong word.
You have already said what you want about this topic in previous comments, and they were incorrect. This is over.
@seinormexicano This argument is over how it has been used over the course of the years in gaming. The Oxford definition is: underestimate the extent, value, or importance of (someone or something)
Their example is: a very underrated film
Ico has gotten a lot more attention recently, however when it first came out, the gaming world as a whole didn't pay any attention to it. Or they underestimated the value of it, or the importance of it. If a game isn't seen as important it gets overlooked.
@seinormexicano In this context, teh2Dgamer is correct. "Underrated" has been used by gaming magazines for a long time, and while it may not be grammatically correct, it's really the only term that can be used to describe a good game that is overlooked. "Underplayed" is not only too broad a statement to be used for a game like Ico, but its definition doesn't even match up with what you are saying.
Awesome Possum was also "underplayed", mostly because it sucked.
@spicyechidna94 You are right. It's funny that out of around 10+ comments I don't think teh2Dgamer made that point. Underplayed can be too broad because games can suck and also be underplayed. It's still better than underrated, though. Maybe there just isn't a word that describes "Not played by many, but enjoyed by those who did."
I still prefer underplayed as opposed to underrated. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
@seinormexicano It really depends on the person. I prefer "underrated" because it has been the word used to describe good, overlooked games for as long as I know, even if it isn't 100% accurate. It's a kind of slang, but it still gets the point across.
Even so, "underplayed" in the sense you used it in doesn't add up. The exact definition of "underplayed" has nothing to do with how much or how little something is played or not. It is also a kind of slang.
@seinormexicano Also lets look it it in terms of sports. Say a football player is underrated. Is he underrated, because John Madden gave him a 7.5 out of ten, or because of some stupid ass number rating? Hell no, he's just not given enough credit, for being as good as he really is. He's completely overlooked by the mainstream masses, because he's not given enough credit for what he does. Sure, his fans know he's great, but that means nothing if he only has five fans.
@teh2Dgamer You're analogy is leading nowhere. The analogy is just the same argument in which I see one point and you see another.
There is a difference between being underrated and being relatively unknown.
I think we're finished here. You think underrated means one thing, and I think another. Of course, I have a dictionary to back me up, you just have a history of incorrect usage to back you up. I would argue that my foundation is stronger than yours, but I'm sure you beg to differ :)
Sweet memories. I always said to me "i would like to forget that i played ICO to experience it again ... and again ... like a first-play" :)
The graphics in this game are absolutly stunning. Self-shadowing, Shaded water - no other game had these effects for a long long time. I think only Primal ever got close with the water (i a big environment).
And those shimmering leafes in the sunshine. Those artists for sure know what to do to make the game shine!
wow great graphics, this was on ps2 and it was like one of the first games so they didn't know shit about what the ps2 could do. it looked like a movie alot
Shadow of the colossus did come out first but it's only partly a prequel, and was never really confirmed to be one, although the ending slightly hints towards it.
How do you get the girl to climb things? When I play, all she does is stand around. She can't jump or climb, or do anything, really. Please help.
kizzybixum 1 week ago
@kizzybixum Is there anything around that she can stand on? Sometimes she needs a bit of help so if theres a box around then you can push that near to where you want her to climb so she can use it to stand on. When you use the call action will you're on the ledge above then you can help her up. She will not climb ropes but I think she can climb ladders but sometimes you have to encourage her to follow by either dragging or calling her. :)
picklesofdoom 5 days ago
ICO is a great game but part of that greatness comes from inspiration it got from Zelda. I think that it obvious. Similary many other great games learn from games from the past. It is not bad thing to harness good things. This is why games like Ape Escape are so good. They concentrate on things that work.
M1XART 3 weeks ago
ICO is in my opinion a great game that is one of a kind, and that's all. (My comment got cut off...^^')
rayz0rz 3 weeks ago
ICO is in my opinion a one of a kind game, and that's all. (my comment got cut off^^')
rayz0rz 3 weeks ago
I think that ICO is a masterpiece. It has elements that reminds me of Zelda and Kingdom Hearts and the environment of the game feels very Myst- and Riven-ish to me. Zelda is a series of great games, Kingdom Hearts is a series of great games and ICO is a standalone, epic, beautiful game that I don't think should be compared to Zelda simply due to the fact that Zelda probably has a bigger fanbase and therefore will blindly be looked upon as a superior game, even if it was not. ICO is in my opinio
rayz0rz 3 weeks ago
I'm gonna pick this up.
sabbathtribute 4 months ago
M1XART 4 months ago
@M1XART ZELDA RIPOFF!?
ThomasScottCarson 1 month ago
@ThomasScottCarson Yes, particulary it heavily rip -offs the ending scenario from the Zelda: Ocarina Of Time, where you escape the castle together with princess Zelda. Also, the whole atmostphere of ICO is extremely similar to Zelda -games. ICO is still a good game, but pales in comparison with Zeldas scope and thinking behing the whole concept.
M1XART 1 month ago
@M1XART
Odd, because I've just completed this game and haven't received a single Zelda feel whilst doing so. Atmospherically it is akin to the PS1 Tomb Raider games but that's it. The absence of additional gear also substantiates the notion that Ico isn't comparable to Zelda games. Why must you have to compare the two anyway? Is that ALL gamers do nowadays?
Icolossu 1 month ago
@Icolossu It is not that simple. I doupt that ICO would have even that one Deku Stick without it being first on Zelda. Also, ICO`s puzzles are really Zelda -ish. What ICO has, it borrows. But then again who really cares, it is still fun.
M1XART 4 weeks ago
@M1XART
Not at all considering the fact that Zelda has maps, compasses and treasure chests that require the resolution of puzzles in order to be acquired and the items obtained usually serve as tools for the subsequent dungeons. ICO has no Eye of Truth, Bow, Heart Pieces, health bar, magic, Slingshot, Mirror Shield and so forth. ICO is ICO and isn't relative to Zelda in any way shape or form. Amnesia was set within a castle, doesn't mean it "borrows" from Zelda. SoTC isn't GoW, either.
Icolossu 4 weeks ago
@Icolossu -You just explained why ICo is so short and inferior to Zelda! Also, you don`t need to collect maps or compass in order to complete Zelda dungeons. Zelda offers everything ICO does, and much more. ICO is like simple version of Zelda.
M1XART 4 weeks ago
@M1XART
The point is that you collect things in Zelda to help you and you have hints given to you. ICO emphasises on escape and not the recycled "kill the evil bad guy who seeks world domination and save the world" stuff. ICO doesn't aspire to be Zelda and simplicity doesn't relegate it's worth. Zelda is repetitive, stale and perforated with predictability. By your simple logic, Shadow of The Colossus borrows from God of War JUST for possessing gargantuan bosses that must be climbed.
Icolossu 4 weeks ago
@Icolossu My point was: ICO does not have one original weapon/scenario. It offers 10% of the gameplay content of Zelda. -When you take a look at this 10 -minute YouTube -clip you have seen everything ICO has to offer. Please note: This is my opinion only, most peoples like overly simple games instead.
M1XART 4 weeks ago
@M1XART
For the second time: ICO's simplicity is where it shines. If you're incapable of comprehending simplicity then irony runs in your blood. In Zelda, you aren't protecting someone over the course of the entire game and thus care little for the fate of Zelda or Hyrule. There's no innovation in the Zelda games and the same plot is reused and overused with reckless abandon. No, this video does no justice to the game, it was that ignorance that caused my younger self to avoid ICO until now.
Icolossu 4 weeks ago
@Icolossu My point was: ICO would not even be made or released without Zelda -games. ICO is a great game, but Zelda is better. This is just my opinion.
M1XART 4 weeks ago
@M1XART
That's awfully arrogant of you to say. No one could possibly claim that something wouldn't come to fruition without a predecessor. Dante's Inferno may have still been developed without God of War, Silent Hill may have still been developed without Resident Evil, Sonic may have been developed without Mario and so on. You're entitled to your opinion but don't attempt to pass it as fact. Zelda isn't better than ICO, you just think it is. ICO doesn't borrow from Zelda is the point.
Icolossu 4 weeks ago
@Icolossu That is just your opinon, not the fact. Same goes for my opinion. Your opinion is not any more "valid" than my opinion and vice versa. If you like ICO more, then go ahead. For me however, there was not anything new on ICO. But it was still a nice game, but too short to be adventure.
M1XART 4 weeks ago
@M1XART
No, there's a line between ignorance and opinion and you leans towards the former. It is irrefutable that you only think Zelda games are better, which isn't fact. Stop repeating what I'M saying, too, it's quite annoying. Focus on the initial topic anyway, which was ICO supposedly stealing elements from Zelda. (Which it doesn't, regardless if you think it's an opinion or not.)
Icolossu 4 weeks ago
@M1XART
In addition, ICO brought something new to gaming but you're far too patriotic to Zelda to realise it.
Icolossu 4 weeks ago
@Icolossu What is new to you may not be new to others. Perhaps you have played too much of ICO since you can not understand text: This is my opinion only!
M1XART 4 weeks ago
@M1XART
Me? You're the one incapable of deciphering the English language. You ignore anything said and hear only what you want to hear. If it's new to gaming it's new to everyone hence why it's new, because no other game has done it and thus, can't be old.
You've said it's your opinion twice before, I get it.
Icolossu 4 weeks ago
@Icolossu New? You are talking a game released more than 10 years ago. And all i said was that a game released few years before ICO had a scenario where you escaped the castle with princess and they helped each others in order to do so. And yes, you could use a stick as a weapon on that game also. Please note, that i do like ICO, but not as much as that other game i`m talking about. It is OK if you prefer ICO...
M1XART 3 weeks ago
@M1XART
My God! Are you stupid! New at the time of release FFS! Are you common sense intolerant or something? You said ICO borrows from Zelda and took influence from it. You referred to the wooden stick as a Deku stick, clearly an indication to your belief that ICO is Sony's attempt at producing something Zelda-ish.
Yes, I know you like ICO you've repeated it several times. I said you're entitled to your opinion did I not?
Icolossu 3 weeks ago
I remember ico being a little overrated at the time of its release honestly (my opinion)
But i guess as of 2011 or even 2008 (year this video was posted) its fair to say it's underrated, but then again almost every ps2 game is underrated these days.
kidnapperzzzz 4 months ago
This is the most underrated game on your list, i suggest adding GOD HAND! its one of the best ps2 games and i own almost every game you have on this list
MrSalmon88 4 months ago
Omg, just watching this, I seriously need to play this game! Am completely immersed by it, can just tell it'll be such a unique and great experience, not to mention the environment is just plain beautiful. Looks overall gorgeous and pure art.
BabyFantasiaxx 4 months ago
OMFG Who the fck disliked? seriously they need to get their head checked!
akmandem69 5 months ago
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Best ps2 game ever!
ChrisShoxx 5 months ago
Huh... Ive been watching a bunch of your vids and have agreed with most of what you have picked as underrated games, but this? Hellll nooooo.... dude, they're remastering and putting out on ps3, don't think that's considered underrated lol.... oh yeah, awesome game.
DazedAndConfused1974 5 months ago
@NohSky lol Im tottally sincere, I played this game and disliked it very much so, then later while on youtube this video pops up in the side bar calling it underrated, I watched this video purely to see his opinion and when I disagreed with it I disliked the video as that is what you are supposed to do if u dislike a video. being hard to find doesnt make a game underrated, over here you will have as hard of a time getting kingdom hearts 1 as ico also why use kingdom hearts as an example?
MrMasticater 6 months ago
@MrMasticater kingdom hearts 1 and 2 are 20 bucks and in almost every game stop. ico is 40 and rarely in a gamestop. everyone has their own opinion and if you dont like it thats cool but i doubt you beat it cause this game is amazing i cant imagine a gamer not liking it.
MrSalmon88 4 months ago
@MrSalmon88 there u go again liek all the others who liek this game completely contradicting themselves "you dont liek it thats cool" and hten "I cant imagine a gamer not liking it" noone can seem to accept the fact that there are intelligent gamers who dislike these games you all jsut seem so pretentious
MrMasticater 4 months ago
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MrSalmon88 4 months ago
@NohSky cas I dont like the game lol and its far from underrated anyway the title is wrong, it is supposed to be one of the best ever how is that underrated?
MrMasticater 6 months ago
i loved the shit out of ICO... a different kind of puzzle/platformer adventure, bravo to the programmers.
plurp7 6 months ago
This game is crap, I liked this game.
dragnarok1134 6 months ago
Saw this game in gamestop for 40 dollars used and with the cheap gamestop case. How dare they charge that much for a game and don't even include the original case and manual. Not that this game isn't worth it but I'd rather pay that much for it if it came with that stuff.
fablecio 6 months ago
XD since hes a kid he should be more flexabily ?
xLastToHearYourDeadx 7 months ago
I only played the demo of this but I loved it. :D This game does seem a bit underrated somehow, but what about Shadow of the Colossus? Everyone seems to know about that game.
AkumaUchitoru 7 months ago
is it a good game
ill get it if it is
loayfakhreldin 7 months ago
im suprised this guy hasnt made a video for tai fu wrath of the tiger.its really is a gem for the playstation
louiscfc93 7 months ago
I never got to finish this game, was halfway thru and my save got corrupted. Now my PS2 is busted.
crimsonflare506 8 months ago
Speaks volume about the game when theres not a single dislike, such a beautiful game, Changed my perspective of what gaming can be.
nathninetyone 8 months ago 6
@nathninetyone be careful, the trolls are lurking XD
danceoffireandice 8 months ago
@nathninetyone now there is a dislike, by me :P
MrMasticater 6 months ago
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@nathninetyone why do people like you always have to fucking jinx it. There would be no dislikes if would have never said that. you should know how many tools are on youtube
Uberboy07 3 months ago
Can't wait for these two to have their HD rerelease.
Usul573 9 months ago
this game was so underrated that in my game rental store its only 95 cents but it was one of the best games I have ever played
naruto52222222222222 9 months ago
@naruto52222222222222 95 cents omg lucky,i found a copy of ico used for 15 £ and i rejected,never saw this game again in a store!
1metalgearsolid 9 months ago
ICO was and is an extraordinary game. It basically changed my life.
Soothfish 9 months ago
huh???? This is NOT an underrated game. This game have sold THOUSANDS of copies and is widely known as one of the best games out there.
Swoop223 10 months ago 13
@Swoop223
Like you said, its only sold thousands of copies.
Technichally, this game is underrated.
ParaHaXz 9 months ago
@Swoop223 not true most people played shadow of collosus without even knowing about this game
MrSalmon88 4 months ago
@Swoop223 Wtf r u talking about, it's defintely not a well known game
bierbuik 3 months ago
@bierbuik Is that why the HD collection broke a new sales record in japan?
WTF indeed
Swoop223 3 months ago
@Swoop223 Look buddy the point is clear ask 10000 gamers if the know MGS, FF, Zelda, Half Life, COD, Gears of War and Ico geuss what will be least known
bierbuik 3 months ago
Nice. i missed this but i played shadow of the colossus.
Another overlooked game is Mark of Kri, it's a fun PS2 stealth/action game with an interesting fighting system and a beautiful world.
ichidogu 10 months ago
@ichidogu I really liked Mark of Kri, but I didn't enjoy the 2nd one since they included the partner. It was a nice addition, just not for me.
maravich12 10 months ago
THe term you need to use is Overlooked. A ton of the games you have in your "Underrated Gem" series are games that were very well recieved by both professional review sites/mags and by gamers as well. ICO is an exception since it wasn't so much overlooked as it was underplayed thanks to Sony dropping the ball and printing nowhere near enough copies of the game.
ICO was literally the industry buzz game for like 3 years. it's hailed as one of the best PS2 Era games ever created.
IMRavnos 10 months ago
If Ocaraina of Time were for Ps2.......
TheSkateNJ 11 months ago
@TheSkateNJ what, it's not that good, there are better games on ps2...
EMagnificent 10 months ago
@EMagnificent I know that. It just kind of seems like that. It's closer to TLoZ:OoTM than any other PS2 game I've seen yet.
TheSkateNJ 10 months ago
@TheSkateNJ i think you better check shadow of the colosus,it's more like zelda, bow,sword and a horse...
EMagnificent 10 months ago
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@EMagnificent Ooohhh! Sounds interesting! I'll be sure to check it out! Thanks ;)
TheSkateNJ 10 months ago
I love Pacman but not too big on graphics!!
wisprworld 11 months ago
lol'd at 9:01 XD -immature- this seems really interesting though~
EternaMidnight 1 year ago
I can't believe any game on PS2 could be this beautiful, especially game this old.. Great vid
mikeymyer 1 year ago
I would probably say this is the best game i have ever played... I am serious
psychomantis108 1 year ago
ICO IS THE BEST!!!!
TheAlkio 1 year ago
I almost makes me sad people would call this innovative. Have we really gone so far as to thinking there are only few ways to make a game? I kind of wish more developers would not sit at their computers referencing for greatest hits and just stick to a drawing board like these people have. You'll soon realize that it's not impossible to make an amazing game that hasn't been made before. Sadly though through the taste of the majority the most original and fun games always ends up in your list. :[
thedragonb0y 1 year ago
I hope they re-release ICO and SOTC for the ps3 soon....
CapitanKurosaki 1 year ago
I have a feeling that this game is the ancestor of Prince of Persia : The Sands of Time, which then became the ancestor of moderns Tomb Raider, Mirror's Edge and oher games that brought platforming far from Mario Land. They share a quite similar gameplay based on combat and linear exploration with a lot of assisted, spectacular jumping/climbing. Honestly, I didn't like Ico very much. I gave up with the game shortly after the Windmill scene. But I'm sure I would have been more enthusiast in 2001.
acliquant 1 year ago
@acliquant Prince of Persia in 2D begat Tomb Raider in 3D (which came out only slightly after Mario 64 meaning it wasn't influenced by it), and Tomb Raider in 3D bagat PoP in 3D, and just about a million other games, Tomb Raider and Mario 64 that is. But for games like this, there's more Tomb Raider influence than Mario.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer Yes, I think you are right. The 2D Prince of Persia games and the early Tomb Raider games (those made by Core Design) share a similar game design. And, indeed, I think that the platform game genre is split in two. On one side are PoP, TR, Ico, Mirror's Edge, Uncharted (I presume, though I didn't play it yet) and son on...
acliquant 1 year ago
@acliquant The problem is, the games you listed aren't considered platformers at all. They are straight up adventure games. Platformers are a sub-genre of adventure games. The games you mentioned have more complex fighting systems as you mentioned, and they don't center around collecting and the floating platform types. They have more action to their exploration, and have different goals than platformers.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer And on the other side are Mario, DKC, B&K... which happen to be my favourite for they allow more freedom and accuracy in the exploration/platform jumping part despite having basic combat systems.
acliquant 1 year ago
@acliquant I hope you don't mean DKC64. That game wasn't that great at all. I liked it at first, but there is such a thing as too much collecting, and DKC64 found that mark. The game becomes very tedious over time. I lost interest before I ever beat it. I'm still pretty far into it, but the collecting just got out of hand.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
Hey guys. This and the spiritual sequel (that's most likely a prequel), Shadow of the Colossus are being packaged together and enhanced w/ HD, Trophies, and even 3D for PS3. Release date is supposedly Spring next year.
dungchunker 1 year ago
Fire in the hole! Go Go Go!
mssv19123 1 year ago
i thought this was a ps1 game??
stargateheaven23 1 year ago
@stargateheaven23 Ico was originally started development as a PS1 game, but the PS2 was coming out, so it got delayed so it could be made & released on PS2, similar to the first Onimusha. The PS1 Beta was only shown on a making of disk that came w/ certain versions of Shadow of the Colossus, but you can find vids of that here on youtube.
tl;dr version: No, this isn't a PS1 game.
dungchunker 1 year ago
@dungchunker Yeah its just i remember when i was a kid i saw it was coming to ps1.. infact, i SWEAR i had a demo of it.. but maybe that was ps2..
stargateheaven23 1 year ago
the graphics is like of that ps4
xHizukax 1 year ago
I never got a chance to play this game so I'm excited for the collection Sony's releasing on HD as well as the third part in the series, The Last Guardian.
Jatendo 1 year ago
perhaps one of the most underated games of all time.
DivineBanana 1 year ago
@DivineBanana Not at all if it was the price for it would not be so high i just paid 40 bucks for it too me its a tad overrated some prices online can go to as high as 200 bucks or 100 game stop had the best price.
opp861 1 year ago
@opp861 thats because it didn't sell well so they didn't make a ton of copys and now people realise it's good and rare... thats why it's so much
DivineBanana 1 year ago
@DivineBanana This game isn't so much rare as it is in high demand.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
damn i have a ps 2 and i ve only played like 5 different games on it! it s kind of useless but when i look at all these games they look interesting
smukase 1 year ago
looks and prob plays funny 7
BlueFurryFox 1 year ago
@BlueFurryFox You're rating games based on a video? serieously?
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer uumm it is prob better than what ign is doing being rated on titles and not gameplay, graphix, char deign, story, sound, every possibilty in the game needs to be considered so i understand your point
BlueFurryFox 1 year ago
@BlueFurryFox Only the gameplay really matters. The character could be a large blue square, have no story, and horrid graphics, and a game can still be great if it plays great.
Whereas a game can have great graphics, in-depth storyline, and interesting characters, and still be a crappy game if it plays like crap.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer your right because then it is a movie hello god of war 3
BlueFurryFox 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer gameplay is not the only thing that matters in a game just how taste is not the only thing that matters in food if it looks like crap i wont even try to eat it its the same with a game with bad graphics its lazy to have bad graphics in this time era graphics also all ties together with game play like this game with out his graphic body movement it would not look right when he jumps and grabs onto things sound also plays a part not just game play
opp861 1 year ago
@opp861 This game's graphics look like poo when compared to anything from today, so tell me how much the graphics matter. The only graphical issue that matters is the gameplay engine. It it runs like crap the game will run like crap, and play like crap. However, how pretty the visuals are don't matter. Especially if you come back in a few years. As for you not trying food because it looks gross, don't put your own personal hang-up on gaming. Real gamers don't give a crap about visuals.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer it looks like poo now because time has passed it by as will it do with all other games no one complains about good looking graphics they do complain about bad looking graphics how ever and bad looking graphics are a turn off the Food comment was just an example you do not compare old games to new games in turn of graphics because of course the new games are going to be better half of what made this game interesting was its unique art style which requires graphics.
opp861 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer you are talking as if The visuals do not play a large part in video games if things stayed the same from graphics like astroids this right here ico would not have been made because they would have seen no point in making 3D polygons when graphics advance so does game play it allows for more options and things to be done and its also a art and style to look at REAL GAMERS LIKE VISUALS we would all not be happy looking at two blinking lights all day which we would if it was up to you.
opp861 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer every part of the game plays a large part the music game play and YES graphics each part makes up the game into what it is look how some people just fell in love with the music of FF it set the mood and feeling of the game or also with games like MGS whos music is very remembered from the game and thats not even the game its self and it would not be the same with out same goes for graphics and what the player sees.
opp861 1 year ago
All you guys need to know is that Ico, Shadow of the Collosus and Last Guardian takes place in the same universe.
ozma68 1 year ago
I used to have this on a demo disc when I got my ps2, this used to creep me out lol My cousin had the full game & its really good .
MisterBankz 1 year ago
wait shadow of the colosous is a sequal to this game?
Mr6hero9 1 year ago
@Mr6hero9 Essentially, or maybe it's the sequel, that's actually a prequel. I don;t know, but Ico came first.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
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is a SHADOW OF COLOSSUS copy
iminfamous2010 1 year ago
@iminfamous2010 Wut is?
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@iminfamous2010 emm idiot the creator of shadow of colossus is the creator of ico
IvanAn666 1 year ago
I remember the first time I played ico, I got so frustrated with it that I played it till 12 o'clock at night, and I was only 9. Shadow of the collosos is defiantly a great game
Tyge111 1 year ago
I wouldn't title the video as underrated. It's not underrated, just relatively unknown to the casual gamer. I collect PS2 titles, not to mention it is my favorite system of all time. On the game collecting sites I take part of it's pretty much a sin not to have heard of Ico. And when someone says they don't like the game. Well then we just kill them.
CrispyTwister 1 year ago
@CrispyTwister me loves ur comment. ps2 = best system to ever exsist. enough said :]
slipknot1ka 1 year ago
I have played toomany games of various genres and subgenres to be confused by his game making philosophy.
Sadly that means that we might not see many games from him after The Last Guardian.
Some Giant Turtle or something at some geysers that spray/shoot water from ground.
In theory I know what to do,but I only managed to do it 1st time and never again.
SupremeGameslord 1 year ago
I'm to stupid to solve some bridge puzzle in ICO and confused about 1 of Colloss scum.I managed to bring him down as soon as I met him for the 1st time,but it's like he learned what he should not do,so I can't repeat the process.It makes me cry almost as much as FFX ending.
So obviously I haven't seen the endings and I don't want to see them here.
SupremeGameslord 1 year ago
Since I have problems with 1 stupid Colloss,I may not be able to see if his claims,are supported by some facts.
He could be telling that soely for marketing purposes.
Even if his claims are true,it's perfectly obvious that SoC and ICO are completely different games.
Aside of atmosfere and super high quality SoC and ICO have nothing apsolutely in common.
SupremeGameslord 1 year ago
@SupremeGameslord: You haven't seen the ending?
Oh boy... trust me, everything will be made clearer....
Also, which Colossus are you stuck on? I might be able to help. :)
XmetaI4everX 1 year ago
@SupremeGameslord: Ueda said he likes to make different games. He doesn't like to make sequels that copy all previous gameplay and are unoriginal. I think you may be confused because of his style in making new games.
XmetaI4everX 1 year ago
@RavensOfMyFuneral Ok fuck head that's enough. Take your sick perverted shit to someone else's vid no mine.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
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XmetaI4everX 1 year ago
Some call it the best game of all time.
OverTimeee 1 year ago
ever since SoTC everyone knew about Ueda and this game. not underrated
jelaninoel 1 year ago
I love ico especially when the music has 'you were there'
matheusb1998 1 year ago
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RavensOfMyFuneral 1 year ago
you guys have no idea how much i love this game.... :-)
tezzie444 1 year ago
Ahh...I remember this being on one of the first demo's I got. It also had demo's for Soul Reaver 2 and Zone Of The Enders. I got this game, thought the atmosphere was amazing...and this is the game that led me to learn about Shadow's of Colossus. :)
DantevKratos 1 year ago
I don't think ICO is underrated, it's an absolute classic, only casuals don't know what this game is.
Hanagigi 1 year ago 16
@Hanagigi It was super underrated for it's time, but the media has since pelted us with this game, so that's why I say it's an overrated underrated game. It's gotten a lot more exposure since, but got almost none at the time.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer That's putting it mildy, one used copy on Amazon ended up costing me $50.
Same with SOtC, both were very good games, I just hope "The Last Guardian," doesn't suffer from poor sales.
gorillazhead 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer Just like Shadow of the Colossus, once people figured out that Team ICO was behind it, it tokk off.
gorillazhead 1 year ago
@Hanagigi I red a few reviews from the time it came and most of them praised this game so it definitely was NOT underrated. But the exposure is a completely different thing. A game may be praised for its qualities but doesn't have to make a huge selling.
I hate how everyone always thinks that when a game doesn't have too much media exposure then it's automatically underrated. That's complete bullshit.
finrandil 1 year ago
@finrandil Exactly, I still have a magazine where they gave it 9/10 and praised every aspect of it, as many many other reviewers did.
It's like saying that God Hand and killer7 were underrated, they were (and are) just too excellent and peculiar for most gamers, especially in these times.
Hanagigi 1 year ago
@Hanagigi Yeah, underplayed doesn't mean underrated. I hate when people call games like ICO and Beyond Good and Evil underrated. They aren't underrated, most everyone who plays them thinks highly of them. They are just underplayed.
seinormexicano 1 year ago
@seinormexicano Overlooked=underrated. Again, when I say Greenday is the most overrated band of all time is it because of some rating or is it because of the huge amount of attention they get from not only the media, but from their loud annoying fans? Just like in the flip side if I said another band was underrated, it would be because no one has heard of them.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer Incorrect.
Underrated: Not enough recognition for its quality
Underplayed: Played by a small number
They definitely play into each other, but they are not one in the same. Recognition is not only measured in dollars. I agree Greenday sucks. They are the exact opposite of ICO. They have a huge amount of people paying for their albums (high schoolers with new found political opinions) while older people realize they are now one of the worst bands ever.
seinormexicano 1 year ago
@seinormexicano I was just using them as an example, however, ICO until they re-release also qualifies as underplayed. It has gotten a lot of recognition from the gaming media as of late, but up till a few years ago (adfter years and years of it getting number one on just about every underrated list from the gaming media) most gamers didn't care about it. It's the same with Beyond Good and Evil. Both have gotten more recognition lately though.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer That's what I said in the first place...both are underplayed, not underrated. They are getting more recognition because of their upcoming re-releases. My point is that a large amount of people (including major video game websites who release "underrated" lists) are incorrectly using the word "underrated", and should instead use "underplayed". Not a big deal, just thought I'd point it out.
seinormexicano 1 year ago
@seinormexicano Underrated fits in the common vernacular of the day. Look it up in the Urban Dictionary.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer How about we use a dictionary instead of the Urban Dictionary. The people providing definitions for underrated on Urban Dictionary are just ignorant people that don't know what the word means. I've already provided some good (correct) definitions of the two words in a previous comment.
seinormexicano 1 year ago
@seinormexicano Furthermore, the term "underplayed" has never been a term in use, will never be a term in use, and you probably just made it up to begin with. In my 22 years of gaming that include interacting with gamers, reading gaming mags, or visiting online forums, I've never heard that term used, so underrated belongs before underplayed.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer Just because a term isn't used often doesn't mean it isn't better suited to describe something. Here is the fact of the matter: ICO isn't underrated because the vast majority of people who played it would "rate" it very well. It's really that simple. How can something be underrated when it is rated well across the board. You are using an incorrect word to describe what you are trying to say. Sorry to break it to you.
seinormexicano 1 year ago
@seinormexicano I was just showing you the common vernacular of the word, and modern usages of the words. If you're going on proper usage of words, then the entire english language we speak today is completely "incorrect."
Under played isn't a term that's not often used, it's a term that's never been used. You make a term up, and then expect us to accept it, piss off kid.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer I didn't make up the word "underplayed." What the fuck are you talking about? Also, you used the word vernacular incorrectly. Vernacular refers to a set of words used by a group people, not the specific use of a single word. You obviously have a weak grasp of the English language.
To prove your point, though, I guess languages always evolve and I must come to terms with the fact that the incorrect use of the word "underrated" will eventually become the actual definition.
seinormexicano 1 year ago
@seinormexicano One of the definitions of vernacular is- the plain variety of language in everyday use by ordinary people, and in the plain variety of language, it still fits. Quit trying to sound like you're so damn smart, when in fact Underplayed has NEVER been used as a term in gaming, and will never be used. Again, I've been playing games for 22 years there son, so I can actually remember how the word has been used in the past without some dumb jackass trying to come in and change the usage.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer What I'm trying to explain is that using the word for 22 years doesn't mean it's correct.
22 years? Does that make you hardcore? I guess so, or else you wouldn't mention it over and over. I've been playing games for a long time too, get over it.
seinormexicano 1 year ago
@seinormexicano It doesn't make me hardcore, but it means I have more idea of what I'm talking about in terms of gaming history, and the usage of terms throughout that history. If you weren't a part of my generation, of the generation before mine in gaming, then just shut the fuck up. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're just another dumbass kid trying to add new terms to gaming that never existed. Underplayed? You sound like you're cooking a fucking turkey or something.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer We're of the same generation if you are 26, sorry to break it to you.
seinormexicano 1 year ago
@seinormexicano Sorry kid, we're not in the same gaming generation. Four years may not sound like much, but it's the difference between watching Voltron when you were younger, and watching the Power Rangers. It's also the difference between the Nes being your first gaming system, and the Snes/Genesis being your first. I remember the 80's and early 90's, and you don't remember them at all.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer My first gaming system was the NES. I watched Voltron. What's your point? We are totally part of the same generation. You are wrong once again.
seinormexicano 1 year ago
@seinormexicano Sure you did (voltron was just a small example), and sure it was. Even if the Nes was your first system, you don't remember it during it's heyday meaning you're not in my gaming generation. My generation was at the cutting point between the cultures of two decades. You're too young to remember it. Not just in gaming but we hit between culture of the 80' and the 90's. You're not in that gaming generation, and you're definitely not in the culture generation.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@seinormexicano Furthermore, this argument is lame as hell, because the fact the you tried to make up some bullshit new term (underplayed) that's never been used by any respectable gamers in any gaming mag, website, or on any gaming forums I've ever visited is why we're in this argument. Only younger-gen gamers do that shit to begin with.
I know a shit-ton more about gaming gaming culture past and present than you ever will, so why don't you just go get another beiber haircut and STFU.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer Oh, I see where that point came from now. It's because you watched my videos. I took the videos, so you can't see me in them. That person who looks like a bitch is my friend. I make fun of him for it every time I see him.
seinormexicano 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer The argument at hand isn't about what you or I know about video game culture or history, it is about the use of the word underrated. All of the people who have previously called a game in the same situation as ICO "underrated" have been wrong. ICO is heavily acclaimed. If I had never played a video game in my life, I'd still be correct. You are using the wrong word.
You have already said what you want about this topic in previous comments, and they were incorrect. This is over.
seinormexicano 1 year ago
@seinormexicano This argument is over how it has been used over the course of the years in gaming. The Oxford definition is: underestimate the extent, value, or importance of (someone or something)
Their example is: a very underrated film
Ico has gotten a lot more attention recently, however when it first came out, the gaming world as a whole didn't pay any attention to it. Or they underestimated the value of it, or the importance of it. If a game isn't seen as important it gets overlooked.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@seinormexicano In this context, teh2Dgamer is correct. "Underrated" has been used by gaming magazines for a long time, and while it may not be grammatically correct, it's really the only term that can be used to describe a good game that is overlooked. "Underplayed" is not only too broad a statement to be used for a game like Ico, but its definition doesn't even match up with what you are saying.
Awesome Possum was also "underplayed", mostly because it sucked.
spicyechidna94 1 year ago
@spicyechidna94 You are right. It's funny that out of around 10+ comments I don't think teh2Dgamer made that point. Underplayed can be too broad because games can suck and also be underplayed. It's still better than underrated, though. Maybe there just isn't a word that describes "Not played by many, but enjoyed by those who did."
I still prefer underplayed as opposed to underrated. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
seinormexicano 1 year ago
@seinormexicano It really depends on the person. I prefer "underrated" because it has been the word used to describe good, overlooked games for as long as I know, even if it isn't 100% accurate. It's a kind of slang, but it still gets the point across.
Even so, "underplayed" in the sense you used it in doesn't add up. The exact definition of "underplayed" has nothing to do with how much or how little something is played or not. It is also a kind of slang.
spicyechidna94 1 year ago
@seinormexicano Also lets look it it in terms of sports. Say a football player is underrated. Is he underrated, because John Madden gave him a 7.5 out of ten, or because of some stupid ass number rating? Hell no, he's just not given enough credit, for being as good as he really is. He's completely overlooked by the mainstream masses, because he's not given enough credit for what he does. Sure, his fans know he's great, but that means nothing if he only has five fans.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@teh2Dgamer You're analogy is leading nowhere. The analogy is just the same argument in which I see one point and you see another.
There is a difference between being underrated and being relatively unknown.
I think we're finished here. You think underrated means one thing, and I think another. Of course, I have a dictionary to back me up, you just have a history of incorrect usage to back you up. I would argue that my foundation is stronger than yours, but I'm sure you beg to differ :)
seinormexicano 1 year ago
AHHHHH I WANT THIS GAAAAAME!
shleeve 1 year ago
Ico and Shadow of Collosus have almost nothing in common.
They are dramaticly different games.
I never understood why people are saying that SoC is a sequel,semi-siquel or whatever to ICO.
Amazing atmosphere and same developer are only major things day have in common.
Remove the developer and you could call Zelda series as a link that connects that 2 radicly diferent games.
SupremeGameslord 1 year ago
@SupremeGameslord: SotC is a prequel to ICO because Wander starts the line of horned boys that lead up to Ico. It's been confirmed by Ueda.
XmetaI4everX 1 year ago
of course it's still an unknown game...
zezuntxiduntxi 1 year ago
Sweet memories. I always said to me "i would like to forget that i played ICO to experience it again ... and again ... like a first-play" :)
The graphics in this game are absolutly stunning. Self-shadowing, Shaded water - no other game had these effects for a long long time. I think only Primal ever got close with the water (i a big environment).
And those shimmering leafes in the sunshine. Those artists for sure know what to do to make the game shine!
oneNomad 1 year ago 6
wow great graphics, this was on ps2 and it was like one of the first games so they didn't know shit about what the ps2 could do. it looked like a movie alot
skateNappreciate 1 year ago
it reminds of Prince of persia, sot
SomeApplesauce 1 year ago
Mmm by the way, some people say me that you need ps2 fat for play at this, and I think theyre lying cause I play it with my ps2 slim...
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Is that true???
Gameprofessional 1 year ago
This works on both models of the PS2. Fat or Slim Ico will play just fine.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
o, tha same mr teh2Dgamer!!! :D
Thanks. Then that guy was liying Ñ-Ñ !!!
Are you play some underrated gem for ps2 that has a dignify mention in the last days???
Gameprofessional 1 year ago
make sure its the right region as well like say european ico with european ps2 to work
moneraa 1 year ago
for me is the best game for ps2, this, and yakuza.
I'm a lucky guy, I have the cardboard box :D :D
Gameprofessional 1 year ago
Crazy ass sweet. This is quasi sequel to Shadow on the Colossus even though it came first right?
grandmasterdeafchild 1 year ago
I'm not entirely sure where it fits in.
teh2Dgamer 1 year ago
@grandmasterdeafchild
Shadow of the colossus did come out first but it's only partly a prequel, and was never really confirmed to be one, although the ending slightly hints towards it.
BadFurDay123 1 year ago