i think you missed what antitheism is, but i like your support of athiesm. antithiesm is completely against the church- belief that the very existence of religion is harmful. That's one step beyond what you were talking about (athiesm).
By the way, I hate to be mean, but religious people are followers of me: a gentleman, a structuralist-scientist, a person who treats the disabled people normal, piano player male young in church, talking of thoughts never hurts a Christian, I'm a god (not literally, but my respect ought to make me be). Greek is the actual language of the Bible, I'm not surprised, Italians copy the Greeks. As the rational person, I was dishonoured, as an irrational person I have dignity higher than any religion
It's simple: the Bible is a history of conjuring tricks (false magic), talking animals and a man who wants us to think He's king despite evidence to the contrary. Religion is healthy for one person: its inventor, and one must sacrifice in the name of the man if it truly believes. I'm not rational, but ghosts are seen, but like surroundings it's all in your head. A religious person is unprejudiced to the silly people, as am I, but my friend Tony, the silly one, is an atheist, me & him'll b frends
Christians who speak only English insist they know what words in Greek and Hebrew mean w/o studying those languages. My mother told me that Greek didn't have a word for brother, only male relative. So Jesus' brothers were cousins because the nuns told her that. The Baptists told me that Jesus turned water into grape juice, even though it says wine in every translation. So much for believing the "literal" word of God!
I think people SHOULD start defining themselves as atheists and antitheists. Ironically, the same principal which has worked for the three monotheistic religions, (that of needing something to be believed to 'exist' in order to have any real power) should be applied to the atheist and antitheist's worldview so as to give it legitimacy and a clearer voice, especially at the political level.
Lies Christians Tell: 1) Being told the truth is just as valid as learning what the truth is.
2) Stalin, hitler, Pol Pot Kim Jong Il are all atheists, ttherefore their governments are atheist. These governments are all bad, therefore non-religion based government is bad.
3) Science leads to bad things (atomic weaponry, WMDs, pollution).
Your definition of "antitheist" isn't exactly true. An antitheist is not someone who is irrationally opposed to god, or someone who is a "strong atheist", but someone who is opposed to the belief in god. Just as adding "a-" to "theist" makes someone "not a theist", adding "anti-" to "theist" makes someone "opposed to theism". Christopher Hitchens is an antitheist, and he has many good reasons for being one. Get your facts straight, please.
@ThatGuyWithHippyHair There are a number of errors in this video. This is why I posted an updated version. I won't ever delete this version, however, as I feel it is important to show that you can correct mistakes.
I was having a discussion with a believer on one of Dawkins videos, but then it turned into an attack on my points of view, so I ended the discussion. It's amazing how defensive people get about believing in nothing.
I have a problem with this. At 2:52 you say, "Knowing that there's no evidence for something, rational people don't believe in it." That is saying logically, "There is no evidence for "A" being right, therefore we should conclude that "A" is wrong." In logic, this is called a fallacy. It is the logical fallacy of "appeal to ignorance". The lack of evidence of a God should not lead you to make the conclusion that there is no God. The opposite is also true. By the way, I am agnostic.
@executer1019 . Not really. It only seems to be a fallacy if you take the statement "I do not accept X" to be the same as the statement "I assert that X is false" Of course, those statements are not the same. Of all people, an agnostic must be able to see that. Still, you might find it worthwhile to watch lie # 6. And a video by Qualia Soup called a lack of belief.
@executer1019 agnostic tells me what you know, in this case you state that you do not know if a god exists or not. but do you follow religious tenets? if so you are a theist, if not you are an atheist. i am an agnostic atheist. i don't know if there is or is not a god, but i do not subscribe to any form of theism and therefore i am without theism and thus an atheist. are you an agnostic theist or are you an agnostic atheist?
Heck and what more proof than that could you want anyway? I think that the god delusion should be covered by health insurance as a form of mental illness.
@jymbo1969 : I have my evidence. The way the universe is set up, the fact that non-believers fight so hard against something that supposedly doesn't even exist, plus the physical evidence that has been researched and proven.
@SummerSunshine1988 If it is evidence, it is incontravertably evident of one hypothesis over another. Please share this so-called evidence. And why are you keeping it to yourself? If there is evidence, the world needs to know it. Of course, it is far more likely that you do not, in factk, have any evidence. And we fight against YOU, not your god. You are the liars and dictators. You try to make us live by your superstitions, and it's not ok. The universe is not "set up." It simply is.
@SummerSunshine1988 Waitaminit... Did you really just that we laugh at you for believing in a debunked bronze age god because it exists? So, the harder we laugh, the more likely it is to exist? That makes no sense, at all.
@jymbo1969 : I don't care what you think of me so you can laugh at me as hard as you wish. Just make sure to take a breath every now and then so you won't pass out. What I meant was that people don't freak over nothing. If that were the case, we would be seeing just as many videos disproving the existence of Santa Claus as we do videos attempting to disprove God. For every video against Allah or Buddah, there are twelve against Jesus Christ. Coincidence? I think not.
@SummerSunshine1988 The main reason there are three times as many anti-christian videos as anti-islam, et al., is that most new atheists are from mmajority chrisitan countries. I was born into and raised in the christian church (anglican converted to eastern ortodoxy). So, my specific arguments are against christianity, the religion with which I am most familiar. I know very little about Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc., so, I have nothing to say about them. Try listening to atheists.
@jymbo1969 : I really don't buy that argument. While it is true that certain religions originated in certain places, the fact of the matter is that there is a mixture of religious beliefs pretty much everywhere. We have Muslims here in America. There are Christians in the Middle East. There are Jews in Australia. The birthplace of a certain religion has very little to do with it.
@SummerSunshine1988 What? I'm telling you that I know very little about non-christian religions. I know a lot about Christianity, I know a fair amount about Judaism, a little bit about Islam, less about Buddhism, and virtually nothing about Hinduism and Wicca. So, my arguments will be about that which I am qualified to comment. I assume the same reasons for others.
@jymbo1969 : You may be a rare breed that actually looks into things a bit beforehand, though I believe you have been sorely misguided in whatever information you've looked into.
@SummerSunshine1988 Supernatural beings are, by definition, beyond the testable realms of the physical world. As such, there is no scientific evidence for or against their existence. Science is agnostic with regards to the supernatural because they are untestable.
As jymbo mentioned, the reason why non-believers argue with believers is because believers are lying when they say there is "researched and proven" evidence. It's not an attack against deities; it's a refutation against lying humans
@lhvinny : Where did you hear me say scientific evidence? There are other ways of gaining evidence of something besides science, you know. There's archaeology, history, etc.
@SummerSunshine1988 But those are scientific. The only reliable way to know is the scientific method. To determine if an item is historic, one needs to validate it. Archaeology is a scientific discipline. I totally disagree that there are other ways of knowing.
@SummerSunshine1988 When one uses words and phrases such as "researched," "proven," and "physical evidence," one leans towards a science of some sort, since sciences are designed to collect objective material evidence, study it, and draw meaningful conclusions from it. If you have something that you feel is physical evidence but does not meet the other parts of the scientific method of investigation, it would be interesting to look at.
@SummerSunshine1988 Yes, you have mispoken, but that is what you are trained to do. You are trained to use terms like evidence, proof, knowledge, but not to use them correctly. The definitions you have been using actually deny the actual meanings of those words and phrases. But, you said you have evidence. What is it? Or please admit that all you have is faith. And yes, faith is believing without good reason, or against good reason. It is irrational, but it's all you've got.
@jymbo1969 : You have two choices: either matter has always existed (which we both know is impossible; nothing comes from nothing), or God has always existed. Aside from that, I think we can both agree that no credible historian would deny that a man named Jesus actually existed. So the real question is whether he was divine. The answer to this question is yes, and I will gladly explain why: the Bible.
@SummerSunshine1988 If you were to read tyour bible, you would notice that there are no prophecies for a Meek and mild man, born of a virgin, crucified, and resurrected. It was a Helenistic pagan belief. Also, No credible historian claims that a Jeshu of Nazareth existed. Also, the Torah is nowhere as old as you think it is. It is more logical to assume that the universe has always existed than to posit that some amorphous deity got bored and created everything, in order to be worshipped.
@jymbo1969 : Okay, now I'm certain you don't know what you're talking about. Go to 100prophecies[.]org and look at the prophecies that were predicted and fulfilled in the Bible.
It does not make sense to believe that the universe has always existed on its own. Matter cannot create itself.
@SummerSunshine1988 The word "create" is erroneous. Cause is better, and yes, matter can wink into existence from nothing. Counter-intuitive, yes, but that's the way things are. How about you go to an atheist sitte, and look up your prophecies. See, the Pharisees didn't know your prophecies, and they certainly would have. It's a shoe-horn job. Because I do not accept faith as proof, I don't know what I'm talking about? I search for truth, not affirmation.
@SummerSunshine1988 Prophecies do nothing towards the credibility of a holy writing because every holy writing claims to have fulfilled prophecies within them. Hindus claim that Muhammad's creation of the Muslim faith is prophecy in The Vedas. The Quran supposedly has prophecies about other faiths as well.
I also caution you with your wording, "It does not make sense to believe that the universe has always existed on its own." To the non-believer, it does not make sense to believe gods exist.
@SummerSunshine1988 Also, since the Bible is internally inconsistant, and externally uncorroberated, why do you think it is true? None of the events described in it, actually happened. How can I say that? Because since the 1940s Israel has been looking for evidence that their biblical claims are historic in nature... Guess what? They aren't. Not a single shred of evidence. It's all a myth. The Exodus, Sodom, all phony, all untrue. The bible is not historic. It is not evidence. Try again.
@jymbo1969 : Again, you don't know what you're talking about. The Bible is consistent from start to finish. The only way it would appear to be inconsistent is if you were reading it out of context.
@SummerSunshine1988 "You have two choices:" Excellent, setting up a false dichotomy from the start. "either matter has always existed (which we both know is impossible)" No, I'm not aware of that; what studies have said matter has not always existed?
"no credible historian would deny that a man named Jesus actually existed." On the contrary, the Gospels' account of Jesus's life is horribly inconsistent. They do not match up with each other at all.
@lhvinny : Actually, those accounts are pretty rock solid. The only difference really is the wording, which would make sense since all four were written by different people.
We both know that the matter in our realm cannot just pop into existence. There is about a one in twelve zillion chance that everything in our universe (speaking in terms of our own solar system) would have been placed so perfectly if there was no intelligence behind it.
@SummerSunshine1988 It is apparent you did not take the time to watch the analysis of the gospels I linked to you, showing how they do not, in fact, line up nicely at all. Differences exist much beyond just wording. Luke's account matches most closely with secular history, but the other accounts are horribly off.
@SummerSunshine1988 What do you mean by everything being placed perfectly? I absolutely agree that the laws of nature inspire awe and wonder, but there is little cause to say it was intentionally designed. I highly doubt an intelligence put the Andromeda Galaxy on a collision course with the only known galaxy containing life. Life is "fine-tuned" to exist in our universe by the laws of nature. There is no evidence that the universe was "fine-tuned" for our existence.
@lhvinny : I just find it hard to believe that our planet being the only planet in our solar system able to support life happened purely by chance. Among other things, such as the complexity and perfection of our ecosystems.
@SummerSunshine1988 it didn't happen by chance. it happened through the laws of nature. if a water droplet falls from a tree branch into a puddle, it's going to create ripples. it wasn't chance that created it, it was existence itself, or the laws of nature. the branch next door might not have condensed water on it or the drop might miss the puddle. just like the placement of venus, it wasn't chance that prevented a ripple (or life), it was simply the way things were.
@SummerSunshine1988 im simply stating that your inference that life on "this planet" couldn't have happened by chance is somewhat of a misnomer. life didn't occur on venus because it's too close to the sun, and life isn't on jupiter because it's a gas giant. this is merely the planet that could sustain life, and we are proof of that. so i'm saying it has nothing to do with chance, it simply is. but i would agree that matter can't create itself. but that doesn't imply a personified creator.
@SummerSunshine1988 oh really? and what portion of existential philosophy requires any characteristics whatsoever to be given to a creative force that men have called "god"? none. in religion, it's ultimately one metaphor and mash of cultural allegory over another. yes, there is an intelligent design in action, but that does not imply that a separate "designer" in the way a feeble human mind would think of it needs to exist to originally supernaturally "create" the universe.
@SummerSunshine1988 my portion of this conversation has been built on understandings and logic, not beliefs. i am no atheist, or even an agnostic, but i have submitted no theory or speculation. but i'll try not to make this about semantics, and i won't push like some arrogant anti-theists. respect.
@THADI0US : God is immortal, not mortal like us. Immortality = no beginning, no end. Mortality = a beginning and an end. I already answered your question. Matter has to be created because it cannot create itself.
@SummerSunshine1988 You missed my point, which is: you say god doesn't need a beginning, why does matter need one? So far matter and energy cannot be created nor destroyed it can only change, you and I are formed of matter and energy when we "die" it is not the end we will only change, you don't know the origin of our universe therefore it has to be magic? We are made of the same stuff as everything else in this universe, as the universe changes we will change.
@SummerSunshine1988 You haven't demonstrated why matter needs to be created.
Note, I didn't ask how matter was created, I asked you why it is you assume it needs to be created, and why it has to be magically created ? This is a clear example of the "god of the gaps", please do study more instead of making baseless claims.
@THADI0US : Because I don't answer questions that I don't have enough knowledge to answer. I tell you what I know, and if there are facts that I am missing, then I learn them, and they go back in the file along with the rest of my knowledge.
@SummerSunshine1988 Well you are making a claim with nothing to back it up, i suggest you refrain from the such. You should read some physics, how bout "The universe in a nut shell" great book full of of very useful knowledge.
Look when people don't know something they tend to go with the easy "answers", " Where does lightning come from?" "Oh thats zeus " you see supernatural by definition is impossible there are natural explanations for everything the origin of the universe is no different.
@THADI0US : By Genesis, where God made man in His own image. By Romans 1, where we are told that God has given us everything we need in order to believe in Him. By God's promise in John 3:16. By the signs of the end times described in the Gospel of Matthew. I could go on forever.
And by the way, I never said that what you were saying isn't true. I'm saying that it doesn't make a case for God's nonexistence.
@SummerSunshine1988 I never made a case for gods nonexistence, you can't prove a negative, and how does the bible prove any of that?yes it makes many claims,but you need evidence for those claims not just your interpretation,because how do you know your interpretation is the correct one and how would you go about figuring out the correct interpretation in the first place?
You have demonstrated that the bible makes great claims, now you have to show prove them, feel free to msg me.
@THADI0US : I never said you did. I said the facts you have presented don't. First of all, do some research. 100prophecies[.]org is a good place to get you started. And also read The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel (or really any book by him). And then do some praying.
@SummerSunshine1988 Well are you going to give me a rebuttal? Why would you say they don't, when I never intentioned them to (unless thats what you thought i was trying to do)?
I went to the site and it still doesn't prove the bible it only gives a persons interpretation of it supposedly being fulfilled, which was part of my previous comment "how would you know which interpretation is correct and how do you know it?"
How does praying work?, how do you get results from it? and what do I pray for?
@THADI0US : A rebuttal for WHAT?! You haven't said anything worth a rebuttal! The first thing you need to understand about prayer is that you have to do it with a humble spirit, or you're not going to get anywhere fast. You don't go to God and demand answers, you go to Him and respectfully ask. In this particular case, it would benefit you to ask God to reveal the truth of His word to you. And then give Him time to work it out. Don't rush Him. He has promised that all will be revealed in time.
@SummerSunshine1988 rebuttal to my previous comments you answer some parts and ignore others(the more important parts I might add).
I have done this before, and still nothing. I have learned far more these past few yeas with my hands hard at work than have them clasped in prayer 17 years of my life where knowledge was little, you are very vague in your comments is it that you don't truly understand what you are trying to tell me?
If is faith you have then fine, but you have made claims >cont
@SummerSunshine1988 Claims which don't have evidence, this is where I'm trying to get at, if those claims are valid or not, if they are only valid with faith then i think we are done for faith lacks evidence and proof and will always for when there is evidence and proof there is no more faith.
@THADI0US : Well, seeing as how Christianity doesn't truly work without faith, which I happen to have a lot of, then I think this conversation is over. God bless.
@SummerSunshine1988 "A rebuttal for WHAT?! You haven't said anything worth a rebuttal! " - But I did, you said that you were backed up by the bible, and to that I said "superman is backed up by superman comics". You seem to have just ignored what I said. After reading you and Thad's debate, I'm not going to lie, he kind of destroyed you =/
@TheThirdTheMagical : Thad cannot destroy me. The only way he could do that is if I let him. It's not his word against mine, it's his word against God's. And God's word will always have the final say.
In answer to your comment, do some research and you'll see that there is nothing to back up Superman aside from the ideas that come from Superman's creator. Yet if you honestly look, you'll see that there is a lot to back up God. To get you started, read The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel.
@SummerSunshine1988 No, it's his word against yours, you just claim yours is backed up by the bible, that's all.
As far as the rest of your comment goes, well, there is nothing to back up god aside from the ideas of gods creator, which is man. "On the first day, man created god". And I've already done plenty of research on god.
@SummerSunshine1988 Yes, man can claim authority over god because man created god, just like man created many other fictional beings/things, kinda like the tooth fairy. Aye :]
@SummerSunshine1988 Aye!! sounds like a plan little man... O_o So what you're saying is, if I put my faith in Anderson Silva, my 100% faith into him, he'll KO Vitor this Feb?
@TheThirdTheMagical : First off, I'm a girl. Second of all, I have no idea who that is or what you're talking about, but I'm guessing you're being sarcastic.
@SummerSunshine1988 Heh, your replies are quick O_o... How can you be chill when you're SummerSunshine? That's like saying I'm warm in the winter snow time... Aye!!!
@TheThirdTheMagical : I don't really know how I came up with that. It's my birthdate, which falls in the summertime, which is usually accompanied by sunshine.
LMAO are you still in your deluded and delusional state, spreading your contagious mental illness to others LOL LOL....I told you to seek a mental health doctor
@devante11 : Specifically, Romans 16:17 tells us to stay away from those who "teach things contrary to what you have been taught" (NLT). In other words, stay away from false teachers. You haven't been teaching anything. You simply don't believe.
What is this video teaching you LOL LOL..what is this video showing you
No and you dont believe either :) hence you have problems with your mental capacity.......you go on faith but dismiss other faiths that go on faith......otherwise you would be believing all other faiths, that require you to believe on faith alone
@devante11 : This is a video. This is not a person. You are a person. The Bible does not say to stay away from videos. Mainly because video didn't exist then. But still.
Duh the person is the video.......your deluded book says stay away from others who think differently than you do...... (hence showing real hate for makind in the process of course) oh another contradiction....love one another but dont associate/shun others that disagree with you LOL LOL
@devante11 : That is not a contradiction. Sometimes the most loving thing you can do for someone is to stay away. Trust me on this one. I've had the experience.
If I've associated with anyone I'm not supposed to, God will bring it to my attention and we will work it out. I trust in God's forgiveness of the repentant heart.
@devante11 : Staying away from someone doesn't mean you hate them. I'm sure as heck going to stay away from someone with the flu, but that doesn't mean I hate them.
Colossians 2:8 doesn't apply to this particular situation, because nobody has captured me. Nobody is going to make me doubt anything I believe, and nobody is going to convince me that what I believe is wrong. As long as I hold onto Christ, nobody can capture me.
@devante11 : I had a better example, but it's a personal situation. Anyway, as I've said many times before, you may think me deluded if you wish to do so. I don't care what your opinion of me is.
You were convinced to be on a atheist channel.....and furthermore you would not be watching atheist videos if you were not captured and doubting......looks like that 1 brain cell left might just save you from total madness :)
@devante11 : Atheist and Christian channels are the best channels to find non-believers. I skimmed the video to be prepared for battle, so to speak, and I have God on my side to keep me from becoming captured. I am not doubting. I am spreading God's word as I am supposed to. That is my mission here. You cannot reason someone out of something that they were never reasoned into. I was never convinced to believe in God, so nobody can convince me not to believe in God.
Your spreading your delusion.....your just a human chain (link) of it......you dont believe in a god ...................as you were told to believe in it by your upbringing....you trusted your parents what they said to be true....you trusted and associated with friends who also were part of that human chain in their human chain from their parents........(cont)
@devante11 : I believed very little of what I was taught growing up. It wasn't until I was about 15 or so that I was able to turn my back on the "church" I was raised in and discover what I personally believed.
And I merely skimmed, because all of these videos say mainly the same thing.
Well in that case you are indeed menatlly ill :) and cannot think clearly for yourself...when you want answers you dont use your OWN mind...you only go to christian sources...You have never stepped out of your comfort zone
"And I merely skimmed, because all of these videos say mainly the same thing."
And this is evident of that comfort zone you are in.......oh i better not watch it will make me question...and questioning and thinking is wrong....I only go to sources that agree what I believe LOL, thus just confirming what you believe was right all along LOL
"these videos say mainly the same thing"
How can you know this if you havent watched it LOL
@devante11 : The main point of any anti-Christian/Atheist video is that God doesn't exist. Seeing as how a lack of evidence does not automatically equal a lack of existence, this can be neither proven nor disproven. That is why they call it faith. And that is exactly what God expects out of us.
Thus you are a non thinker and a danger to mankind....
Heres is your non thinking in action below......
"That is why they call it faith"
Thus have faith in other faiths that require you to have faith..
And for this reason you dont care what you believe in ...you know it is irrational, but believe it anyway (and here lies your delusion and deluded mind) ...as you dismiss all other faiths that ask you to have faith.....you dismiss those with no reason to do so
@devante11 : I believe we've also covered this territory before. I have my reasons for believing what I believe, as I'm sure you have your reasons for not believing. However, my reasons are personal reasons. They are not reasons shared by others.
The only way you could prove me delusional or non-thinking would be to somehow prove that God indeed does not exist. However, you can't do that.
"The only way you could prove me delusional or non-thinking would be to somehow prove that God indeed does not exist. However, you can't do that."
YOU SUPPORT it by faith ------>>which means absent of evidence, it DOES NOT support you...any sane, rational, person dismisses this......you dismiss other faiths... thus you have all proved no god or gods exist....if faith were even remotely true for you ..you would be believing ANYTHING god or gods that require faith
@devante11 : I cannot very well believe in Christ and believe in Allah at the same time. They contradict each other. That would be crazy. I have my reasons that I hang onto my faith. You have no interest in learning about why, so I shall not oblige you with the answers.
@devante11 : Introducing me to God doesn't mean that they convinced me to believe. They simply informed me of who He was. It was my own choice to believe it. Similarly to when a friend introduces you to one of his friends. He can introduce you, but he can't make you like the person.
I don't understand why you contacted me again. Nothing has changed. You've made it clear that you think I'm nuts. I've made it clear that I don't care what you think of me. There is nothing left to discuss.
"But they contradict each other. It would be crazy to believe in both".
But you believe in contradictions .......just take judas from your book as a quick example......so it wouldnt be crazy to believe contradictions would it??????? LOL LOL
i think you missed what antitheism is, but i like your support of athiesm. antithiesm is completely against the church- belief that the very existence of religion is harmful. That's one step beyond what you were talking about (athiesm).
Austinjlear 2 months ago
love your work
psycho3968 4 months ago
By the way, I hate to be mean, but religious people are followers of me: a gentleman, a structuralist-scientist, a person who treats the disabled people normal, piano player male young in church, talking of thoughts never hurts a Christian, I'm a god (not literally, but my respect ought to make me be). Greek is the actual language of the Bible, I'm not surprised, Italians copy the Greeks. As the rational person, I was dishonoured, as an irrational person I have dignity higher than any religion
Hoobifta 6 months ago
It's simple: the Bible is a history of conjuring tricks (false magic), talking animals and a man who wants us to think He's king despite evidence to the contrary. Religion is healthy for one person: its inventor, and one must sacrifice in the name of the man if it truly believes. I'm not rational, but ghosts are seen, but like surroundings it's all in your head. A religious person is unprejudiced to the silly people, as am I, but my friend Tony, the silly one, is an atheist, me & him'll b frends
Hoobifta 6 months ago
Christians who speak only English insist they know what words in Greek and Hebrew mean w/o studying those languages. My mother told me that Greek didn't have a word for brother, only male relative. So Jesus' brothers were cousins because the nuns told her that. The Baptists told me that Jesus turned water into grape juice, even though it says wine in every translation. So much for believing the "literal" word of God!
txvoltaire 7 months ago
@txvoltaire I'm sorry to say so but your mother was talking bullshit.The Greek word for brother is "αδελφός (adelfos)".
Stevoukos 5 months ago
the bible is epic bullshit
SirXtraordinary 8 months ago
great video! Thank you.
ericandcelena 8 months ago
I think people SHOULD start defining themselves as atheists and antitheists. Ironically, the same principal which has worked for the three monotheistic religions, (that of needing something to be believed to 'exist' in order to have any real power) should be applied to the atheist and antitheist's worldview so as to give it legitimacy and a clearer voice, especially at the political level.
howler77 10 months ago
Lol still no word on the music -.-
lvl70shampally 11 months ago
Lies Christians Tell: 1) Being told the truth is just as valid as learning what the truth is.
2) Stalin, hitler, Pol Pot Kim Jong Il are all atheists, ttherefore their governments are atheist. These governments are all bad, therefore non-religion based government is bad.
3) Science leads to bad things (atomic weaponry, WMDs, pollution).
4) The Bible is the word of God
drfoxcourt 11 months ago
Your definition of "antitheist" isn't exactly true. An antitheist is not someone who is irrationally opposed to god, or someone who is a "strong atheist", but someone who is opposed to the belief in god. Just as adding "a-" to "theist" makes someone "not a theist", adding "anti-" to "theist" makes someone "opposed to theism". Christopher Hitchens is an antitheist, and he has many good reasons for being one. Get your facts straight, please.
ThatGuyWithHippyHair 11 months ago
@ThatGuyWithHippyHair There are a number of errors in this video. This is why I posted an updated version. I won't ever delete this version, however, as I feel it is important to show that you can correct mistakes.
Not1delusion 11 months ago 2
@ThatGuyWithHippyHair yes,atheism simply means without religion.
Gotcha1234Mariok 10 months ago
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devante11 1 year ago
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devante11 1 year ago
I was having a discussion with a believer on one of Dawkins videos, but then it turned into an attack on my points of view, so I ended the discussion. It's amazing how defensive people get about believing in nothing.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
I have a problem with this. At 2:52 you say, "Knowing that there's no evidence for something, rational people don't believe in it." That is saying logically, "There is no evidence for "A" being right, therefore we should conclude that "A" is wrong." In logic, this is called a fallacy. It is the logical fallacy of "appeal to ignorance". The lack of evidence of a God should not lead you to make the conclusion that there is no God. The opposite is also true. By the way, I am agnostic.
executer1019 1 year ago
@executer1019 . Not really. It only seems to be a fallacy if you take the statement "I do not accept X" to be the same as the statement "I assert that X is false" Of course, those statements are not the same. Of all people, an agnostic must be able to see that. Still, you might find it worthwhile to watch lie # 6. And a video by Qualia Soup called a lack of belief.
Not1delusion 1 year ago 4
@executer1019 agnostic tells me what you know, in this case you state that you do not know if a god exists or not. but do you follow religious tenets? if so you are a theist, if not you are an atheist. i am an agnostic atheist. i don't know if there is or is not a god, but i do not subscribe to any form of theism and therefore i am without theism and thus an atheist. are you an agnostic theist or are you an agnostic atheist?
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executer1019 1 year ago
This is brilliant! I need to get a link of that poster on story books. It's hilarious.
Ginyuu5 1 year ago
this pamphlet is blank.......we're atheists.... LMFAO
zodiakranch 1 year ago
God does exist.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
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@SummerSunshine1988
"God does exist."
Evidence please.
Pigdowndog 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Heck and what more proof than that could you want anyway? I think that the god delusion should be covered by health insurance as a form of mental illness.
pob1973 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 How do you know?
jymbo1969 1 year ago
@jymbo1969 : A number of different reasons.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Oh? So none actually, right?
jymbo1969 1 year ago
@jymbo1969 : I have my evidence. The way the universe is set up, the fact that non-believers fight so hard against something that supposedly doesn't even exist, plus the physical evidence that has been researched and proven.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 If it is evidence, it is incontravertably evident of one hypothesis over another. Please share this so-called evidence. And why are you keeping it to yourself? If there is evidence, the world needs to know it. Of course, it is far more likely that you do not, in factk, have any evidence. And we fight against YOU, not your god. You are the liars and dictators. You try to make us live by your superstitions, and it's not ok. The universe is not "set up." It simply is.
jymbo1969 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Waitaminit... Did you really just that we laugh at you for believing in a debunked bronze age god because it exists? So, the harder we laugh, the more likely it is to exist? That makes no sense, at all.
jymbo1969 1 year ago
@jymbo1969 *suggest that we laugh
jymbo1969 1 year ago
@jymbo1969 : I don't care what you think of me so you can laugh at me as hard as you wish. Just make sure to take a breath every now and then so you won't pass out. What I meant was that people don't freak over nothing. If that were the case, we would be seeing just as many videos disproving the existence of Santa Claus as we do videos attempting to disprove God. For every video against Allah or Buddah, there are twelve against Jesus Christ. Coincidence? I think not.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 The main reason there are three times as many anti-christian videos as anti-islam, et al., is that most new atheists are from mmajority chrisitan countries. I was born into and raised in the christian church (anglican converted to eastern ortodoxy). So, my specific arguments are against christianity, the religion with which I am most familiar. I know very little about Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc., so, I have nothing to say about them. Try listening to atheists.
jymbo1969 1 year ago
@jymbo1969 forgive my horibad spelling. My g15 gaming kb gives more typos than most kbs.
jymbo1969 1 year ago
@jymbo1969 : I really don't buy that argument. While it is true that certain religions originated in certain places, the fact of the matter is that there is a mixture of religious beliefs pretty much everywhere. We have Muslims here in America. There are Christians in the Middle East. There are Jews in Australia. The birthplace of a certain religion has very little to do with it.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 What? I'm telling you that I know very little about non-christian religions. I know a lot about Christianity, I know a fair amount about Judaism, a little bit about Islam, less about Buddhism, and virtually nothing about Hinduism and Wicca. So, my arguments will be about that which I am qualified to comment. I assume the same reasons for others.
jymbo1969 1 year ago
@jymbo1969 : You may be a rare breed that actually looks into things a bit beforehand, though I believe you have been sorely misguided in whatever information you've looked into.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Supernatural beings are, by definition, beyond the testable realms of the physical world. As such, there is no scientific evidence for or against their existence. Science is agnostic with regards to the supernatural because they are untestable.
As jymbo mentioned, the reason why non-believers argue with believers is because believers are lying when they say there is "researched and proven" evidence. It's not an attack against deities; it's a refutation against lying humans
lhvinny 1 year ago
@lhvinny : Where did you hear me say scientific evidence? There are other ways of gaining evidence of something besides science, you know. There's archaeology, history, etc.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 But those are scientific. The only reliable way to know is the scientific method. To determine if an item is historic, one needs to validate it. Archaeology is a scientific discipline. I totally disagree that there are other ways of knowing.
jymbo1969 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 When one uses words and phrases such as "researched," "proven," and "physical evidence," one leans towards a science of some sort, since sciences are designed to collect objective material evidence, study it, and draw meaningful conclusions from it. If you have something that you feel is physical evidence but does not meet the other parts of the scientific method of investigation, it would be interesting to look at.
lhvinny 1 year ago
@lhvinny : Perhaps I've misspoken. I apologize for the confusion.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Yes, you have mispoken, but that is what you are trained to do. You are trained to use terms like evidence, proof, knowledge, but not to use them correctly. The definitions you have been using actually deny the actual meanings of those words and phrases. But, you said you have evidence. What is it? Or please admit that all you have is faith. And yes, faith is believing without good reason, or against good reason. It is irrational, but it's all you've got.
jymbo1969 1 year ago
@jymbo1969 : You have two choices: either matter has always existed (which we both know is impossible; nothing comes from nothing), or God has always existed. Aside from that, I think we can both agree that no credible historian would deny that a man named Jesus actually existed. So the real question is whether he was divine. The answer to this question is yes, and I will gladly explain why: the Bible.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 If you were to read tyour bible, you would notice that there are no prophecies for a Meek and mild man, born of a virgin, crucified, and resurrected. It was a Helenistic pagan belief. Also, No credible historian claims that a Jeshu of Nazareth existed. Also, the Torah is nowhere as old as you think it is. It is more logical to assume that the universe has always existed than to posit that some amorphous deity got bored and created everything, in order to be worshipped.
jymbo1969 1 year ago
@jymbo1969 : Okay, now I'm certain you don't know what you're talking about. Go to 100prophecies[.]org and look at the prophecies that were predicted and fulfilled in the Bible.
It does not make sense to believe that the universe has always existed on its own. Matter cannot create itself.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 The word "create" is erroneous. Cause is better, and yes, matter can wink into existence from nothing. Counter-intuitive, yes, but that's the way things are. How about you go to an atheist sitte, and look up your prophecies. See, the Pharisees didn't know your prophecies, and they certainly would have. It's a shoe-horn job. Because I do not accept faith as proof, I don't know what I'm talking about? I search for truth, not affirmation.
jymbo1969 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Prophecies do nothing towards the credibility of a holy writing because every holy writing claims to have fulfilled prophecies within them. Hindus claim that Muhammad's creation of the Muslim faith is prophecy in The Vedas. The Quran supposedly has prophecies about other faiths as well.
I also caution you with your wording, "It does not make sense to believe that the universe has always existed on its own." To the non-believer, it does not make sense to believe gods exist.
lhvinny 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Also, since the Bible is internally inconsistant, and externally uncorroberated, why do you think it is true? None of the events described in it, actually happened. How can I say that? Because since the 1940s Israel has been looking for evidence that their biblical claims are historic in nature... Guess what? They aren't. Not a single shred of evidence. It's all a myth. The Exodus, Sodom, all phony, all untrue. The bible is not historic. It is not evidence. Try again.
jymbo1969 1 year ago
@jymbo1969 : Again, you don't know what you're talking about. The Bible is consistent from start to finish. The only way it would appear to be inconsistent is if you were reading it out of context.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Hahahahahaha. Ok, you're a liar. And we're done.
jymbo1969 1 year ago
@jymbo1969 : God bless.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 "You have two choices:" Excellent, setting up a false dichotomy from the start. "either matter has always existed (which we both know is impossible)" No, I'm not aware of that; what studies have said matter has not always existed?
"no credible historian would deny that a man named Jesus actually existed." On the contrary, the Gospels' account of Jesus's life is horribly inconsistent. They do not match up with each other at all.
/watch?v=NBufxLab5ns
lhvinny 1 year ago
@lhvinny : Actually, those accounts are pretty rock solid. The only difference really is the wording, which would make sense since all four were written by different people.
We both know that the matter in our realm cannot just pop into existence. There is about a one in twelve zillion chance that everything in our universe (speaking in terms of our own solar system) would have been placed so perfectly if there was no intelligence behind it.
I apologize for any confusion in my wording.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 It is apparent you did not take the time to watch the analysis of the gospels I linked to you, showing how they do not, in fact, line up nicely at all. Differences exist much beyond just wording. Luke's account matches most closely with secular history, but the other accounts are horribly off.
lhvinny 1 year ago
@lhvinny : I took it on myself to take a look at each account with my own eyes instead, and my statement stands.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 What do you mean by everything being placed perfectly? I absolutely agree that the laws of nature inspire awe and wonder, but there is little cause to say it was intentionally designed. I highly doubt an intelligence put the Andromeda Galaxy on a collision course with the only known galaxy containing life. Life is "fine-tuned" to exist in our universe by the laws of nature. There is no evidence that the universe was "fine-tuned" for our existence.
lhvinny 1 year ago
@lhvinny : I just find it hard to believe that our planet being the only planet in our solar system able to support life happened purely by chance. Among other things, such as the complexity and perfection of our ecosystems.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
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ScaryKid1015 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 it didn't happen by chance. it happened through the laws of nature. if a water droplet falls from a tree branch into a puddle, it's going to create ripples. it wasn't chance that created it, it was existence itself, or the laws of nature. the branch next door might not have condensed water on it or the drop might miss the puddle. just like the placement of venus, it wasn't chance that prevented a ripple (or life), it was simply the way things were.
ScaryKid1015 1 year ago
@ScaryKid1015 : Even the laws of nature have a beginning. The simple fact is that matter cannot create itself.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 im simply stating that your inference that life on "this planet" couldn't have happened by chance is somewhat of a misnomer. life didn't occur on venus because it's too close to the sun, and life isn't on jupiter because it's a gas giant. this is merely the planet that could sustain life, and we are proof of that. so i'm saying it has nothing to do with chance, it simply is. but i would agree that matter can't create itself. but that doesn't imply a personified creator.
ScaryKid1015 1 year ago
@ScaryKid1015 : Yes it does. Matter has to be created.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 oh really? and what portion of existential philosophy requires any characteristics whatsoever to be given to a creative force that men have called "god"? none. in religion, it's ultimately one metaphor and mash of cultural allegory over another. yes, there is an intelligent design in action, but that does not imply that a separate "designer" in the way a feeble human mind would think of it needs to exist to originally supernaturally "create" the universe.
ScaryKid1015 1 year ago
@ScaryKid1015 : Lets just agree to disagree. You believe what you believe, and I'll believe what I believe.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 my portion of this conversation has been built on understandings and logic, not beliefs. i am no atheist, or even an agnostic, but i have submitted no theory or speculation. but i'll try not to make this about semantics, and i won't push like some arrogant anti-theists. respect.
ScaryKid1015 1 year ago
@ScaryKid1015 : And I thank you for keeping a civil tongue in your head and not cursing me out.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Why does matter have to be created?
THADI0US 1 year ago
@THADI0US : Because, by definition, matter cannot create itself. And I was not aware of the exact percentage. Thanks for the heads up.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
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@SummerSunshine1988 Thats not what i asked you.
THADI0US 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 I asked why does matter have to be created? What about god, you claim matter has to be created yet not god?
THADI0US 1 year ago
@THADI0US : God is immortal, not mortal like us. Immortality = no beginning, no end. Mortality = a beginning and an end. I already answered your question. Matter has to be created because it cannot create itself.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 You missed my point, which is: you say god doesn't need a beginning, why does matter need one? So far matter and energy cannot be created nor destroyed it can only change, you and I are formed of matter and energy when we "die" it is not the end we will only change, you don't know the origin of our universe therefore it has to be magic? We are made of the same stuff as everything else in this universe, as the universe changes we will change.
THADI0US 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 You haven't demonstrated why matter needs to be created.
Note, I didn't ask how matter was created, I asked you why it is you assume it needs to be created, and why it has to be magically created ? This is a clear example of the "god of the gaps", please do study more instead of making baseless claims.
THADI0US 1 year ago
@THADI0US : Here's a perfect example: did you create yourself?
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Yup, I created myself.
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@TheThirdTheMagical : Very funny.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 it's true tho, you calling me a liar? you don't know me homie!!! JUST WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? O_O
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@TheThirdTheMagical : I know that there's no way in heck you could have created yourself. Nothing comes from nothing.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 I just always was. I'm am an ancient being!
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@TheThirdTheMagical No, the matter and energy that form my body has been recycled and changed from a prior form and it will continue to do so.
THADI0US 1 year ago
@THADI0US No, you were created by the great Anderson Silva.
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@TheThirdTheMagical : Right.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Hey, can I tell you a secret?
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@TheThirdTheMagical : I guess.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 I like ur name :]
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@TheThirdTheMagical : Thank you. Same to you.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 And why haven't you responded to any of my rebuttals?
i made plenty of points which you fail to address.
THADI0US 1 year ago
@THADI0US : Because I don't answer questions that I don't have enough knowledge to answer. I tell you what I know, and if there are facts that I am missing, then I learn them, and they go back in the file along with the rest of my knowledge.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Well you are making a claim with nothing to back it up, i suggest you refrain from the such. You should read some physics, how bout "The universe in a nut shell" great book full of of very useful knowledge.
Look when people don't know something they tend to go with the easy "answers", " Where does lightning come from?" "Oh thats zeus " you see supernatural by definition is impossible there are natural explanations for everything the origin of the universe is no different.
THADI0US 1 year ago
@THADI0US : I am backed up by the Bible.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Could you be more elaborate? How so by what exactly?
because I I'm back up by facts, facts which you seem not to know to be saying they aren't true.
THADI0US 1 year ago
@THADI0US : By Genesis, where God made man in His own image. By Romans 1, where we are told that God has given us everything we need in order to believe in Him. By God's promise in John 3:16. By the signs of the end times described in the Gospel of Matthew. I could go on forever.
And by the way, I never said that what you were saying isn't true. I'm saying that it doesn't make a case for God's nonexistence.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 I never made a case for gods nonexistence, you can't prove a negative, and how does the bible prove any of that?yes it makes many claims,but you need evidence for those claims not just your interpretation,because how do you know your interpretation is the correct one and how would you go about figuring out the correct interpretation in the first place?
You have demonstrated that the bible makes great claims, now you have to show prove them, feel free to msg me.
THADI0US 1 year ago
@THADI0US : I never said you did. I said the facts you have presented don't. First of all, do some research. 100prophecies[.]org is a good place to get you started. And also read The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel (or really any book by him). And then do some praying.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Well are you going to give me a rebuttal? Why would you say they don't, when I never intentioned them to (unless thats what you thought i was trying to do)?
I went to the site and it still doesn't prove the bible it only gives a persons interpretation of it supposedly being fulfilled, which was part of my previous comment "how would you know which interpretation is correct and how do you know it?"
How does praying work?, how do you get results from it? and what do I pray for?
THADI0US 1 year ago
@THADI0US : A rebuttal for WHAT?! You haven't said anything worth a rebuttal! The first thing you need to understand about prayer is that you have to do it with a humble spirit, or you're not going to get anywhere fast. You don't go to God and demand answers, you go to Him and respectfully ask. In this particular case, it would benefit you to ask God to reveal the truth of His word to you. And then give Him time to work it out. Don't rush Him. He has promised that all will be revealed in time.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 rebuttal to my previous comments you answer some parts and ignore others(the more important parts I might add).
I have done this before, and still nothing. I have learned far more these past few yeas with my hands hard at work than have them clasped in prayer 17 years of my life where knowledge was little, you are very vague in your comments is it that you don't truly understand what you are trying to tell me?
If is faith you have then fine, but you have made claims >cont
THADI0US 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Claims which don't have evidence, this is where I'm trying to get at, if those claims are valid or not, if they are only valid with faith then i think we are done for faith lacks evidence and proof and will always for when there is evidence and proof there is no more faith.
THADI0US 1 year ago
@THADI0US : Well, seeing as how Christianity doesn't truly work without faith, which I happen to have a lot of, then I think this conversation is over. God bless.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
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@SummerSunshine1988 Please do research what i said, it will do you good.
At least think about it.
THADI0US 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 "A rebuttal for WHAT?! You haven't said anything worth a rebuttal! " - But I did, you said that you were backed up by the bible, and to that I said "superman is backed up by superman comics". You seem to have just ignored what I said. After reading you and Thad's debate, I'm not going to lie, he kind of destroyed you =/
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@TheThirdTheMagical : Thad cannot destroy me. The only way he could do that is if I let him. It's not his word against mine, it's his word against God's. And God's word will always have the final say.
In answer to your comment, do some research and you'll see that there is nothing to back up Superman aside from the ideas that come from Superman's creator. Yet if you honestly look, you'll see that there is a lot to back up God. To get you started, read The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 No, it's his word against yours, you just claim yours is backed up by the bible, that's all.
As far as the rest of your comment goes, well, there is nothing to back up god aside from the ideas of gods creator, which is man. "On the first day, man created god". And I've already done plenty of research on god.
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@TheThirdTheMagical : You've already established that you don't know God. You cannot claim to be an authority on someone you don't know.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Yes, man can claim authority over god because man created god, just like man created many other fictional beings/things, kinda like the tooth fairy. Aye :]
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@TheThirdTheMagical : We're obviously not going to see eye to eye on this. Which is fine. Free country and all.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Aye... That was a rather quick reply.. O.o
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@TheThirdTheMagical : I just got online.
Belief in God takes faith, which I can neither give you nor force you to have.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 REALLY? IS THAT ALL IT TAKES? O_O Aye!
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@TheThirdTheMagical : Pretty much, yep. God expects faith out of us.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Aye!! sounds like a plan little man... O_o So what you're saying is, if I put my faith in Anderson Silva, my 100% faith into him, he'll KO Vitor this Feb?
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@TheThirdTheMagical : First off, I'm a girl. Second of all, I have no idea who that is or what you're talking about, but I'm guessing you're being sarcastic.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Aye!! lol chill... I said it because it rhymed, I really had no idea if you were male or female.
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@TheThirdTheMagical : I'm chill, I was just informing you.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Heh, your replies are quick O_o... How can you be chill when you're SummerSunshine? That's like saying I'm warm in the winter snow time... Aye!!!
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Basically what I'm getting from all of this is that you like sunshine in teh summer? c/d?
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@TheThirdTheMagical : I don't really know how I came up with that. It's my birthdate, which falls in the summertime, which is usually accompanied by sunshine.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Yeah, and if you live in AZ then 10 months out of the year is summertime with sunshine ~_~
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@TheThirdTheMagical : Ha. Funny.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Aye! I dunno why I like your name so much lol...
TheThirdTheMagical 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
LMAO are you still in your deluded and delusional state, spreading your contagious mental illness to others LOL LOL....I told you to seek a mental health doctor
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : Nice to see that the Spirit is still tugging on your soul. God isn't keen on giving up.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Eh???? ...good to see your on another atheist channel examining your beliefs and realising their soooooooooooo false :)
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : I'm not examining anything. I'm sharing God's Word, as I'm supposed to.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Sharing your delusion and mental illness ....its ok we can see it all..no need to display it :)
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : I will do as God tells me, not as the world tells me.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Your book tells you not to associate with non believers LOL what you doing here LOL .......Oh to correct your mental illness :)
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : The Bible tells us not to associate with certain people in specific situations.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
No it tells you not to associate with others who think differently than you LOL ...oh do I have to correct you again on the book you believe in
Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : Specifically, Romans 16:17 tells us to stay away from those who "teach things contrary to what you have been taught" (NLT). In other words, stay away from false teachers. You haven't been teaching anything. You simply don't believe.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
What is this video teaching you LOL LOL..what is this video showing you
No and you dont believe either :) hence you have problems with your mental capacity.......you go on faith but dismiss other faiths that go on faith......otherwise you would be believing all other faiths, that require you to believe on faith alone
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : The difference is, I am not speaking to the maker of this video. I am speaking to you.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
And Im speaking to you your going against your own book by being here LOL LOL DUH
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : This is a video. This is not a person. You are a person. The Bible does not say to stay away from videos. Mainly because video didn't exist then. But still.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Duh the person is the video.......your deluded book says stay away from others who think differently than you do...... (hence showing real hate for makind in the process of course) oh another contradiction....love one another but dont associate/shun others that disagree with you LOL LOL
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : That is not a contradiction. Sometimes the most loving thing you can do for someone is to stay away. Trust me on this one. I've had the experience.
If I've associated with anyone I'm not supposed to, God will bring it to my attention and we will work it out. I trust in God's forgiveness of the repentant heart.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
It is......... hate those you dont believe as you do ...so that must be love LOL LOL
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : Staying away from someone doesn't mean you hate them. I'm sure as heck going to stay away from someone with the flu, but that doesn't mean I hate them.
Colossians 2:8 doesn't apply to this particular situation, because nobody has captured me. Nobody is going to make me doubt anything I believe, and nobody is going to convince me that what I believe is wrong. As long as I hold onto Christ, nobody can capture me.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Staying away from someone who has flu???? is that the best you can do LOL LOL
Even with this video, you cant see your delusion......that brainwashing was a total success!
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : I had a better example, but it's a personal situation. Anyway, as I've said many times before, you may think me deluded if you wish to do so. I don't care what your opinion of me is.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
"and nobody is going to convince me"
You were convinced to be on a atheist channel.....and furthermore you would not be watching atheist videos if you were not captured and doubting......looks like that 1 brain cell left might just save you from total madness :)
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : Atheist and Christian channels are the best channels to find non-believers. I skimmed the video to be prepared for battle, so to speak, and I have God on my side to keep me from becoming captured. I am not doubting. I am spreading God's word as I am supposed to. That is my mission here. You cannot reason someone out of something that they were never reasoned into. I was never convinced to believe in God, so nobody can convince me not to believe in God.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Your spreading your delusion.....your just a human chain (link) of it......you dont believe in a god ...................as you were told to believe in it by your upbringing....you trusted your parents what they said to be true....you trusted and associated with friends who also were part of that human chain in their human chain from their parents........(cont)
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : I believed very little of what I was taught growing up. It wasn't until I was about 15 or so that I was able to turn my back on the "church" I was raised in and discover what I personally believed.
And I merely skimmed, because all of these videos say mainly the same thing.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Well in that case you are indeed menatlly ill :) and cannot think clearly for yourself...when you want answers you dont use your OWN mind...you only go to christian sources...You have never stepped out of your comfort zone
devante11 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
"And I merely skimmed, because all of these videos say mainly the same thing."
And this is evident of that comfort zone you are in.......oh i better not watch it will make me question...and questioning and thinking is wrong....I only go to sources that agree what I believe LOL, thus just confirming what you believe was right all along LOL
"these videos say mainly the same thing"
How can you know this if you havent watched it LOL
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : The main point of any anti-Christian/Atheist video is that God doesn't exist. Seeing as how a lack of evidence does not automatically equal a lack of existence, this can be neither proven nor disproven. That is why they call it faith. And that is exactly what God expects out of us.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Thus you are a non thinker and a danger to mankind....
Heres is your non thinking in action below......
"That is why they call it faith"
Thus have faith in other faiths that require you to have faith..
And for this reason you dont care what you believe in ...you know it is irrational, but believe it anyway (and here lies your delusion and deluded mind) ...as you dismiss all other faiths that ask you to have faith.....you dismiss those with no reason to do so
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : I believe we've also covered this territory before. I have my reasons for believing what I believe, as I'm sure you have your reasons for not believing. However, my reasons are personal reasons. They are not reasons shared by others.
The only way you could prove me delusional or non-thinking would be to somehow prove that God indeed does not exist. However, you can't do that.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
"The only way you could prove me delusional or non-thinking would be to somehow prove that God indeed does not exist. However, you can't do that."
YOU SUPPORT it by faith ------>>which means absent of evidence, it DOES NOT support you...any sane, rational, person dismisses this......you dismiss other faiths... thus you have all proved no god or gods exist....if faith were even remotely true for you ..you would be believing ANYTHING god or gods that require faith
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : I cannot very well believe in Christ and believe in Allah at the same time. They contradict each other. That would be crazy. I have my reasons that I hang onto my faith. You have no interest in learning about why, so I shall not oblige you with the answers.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 "I cannot very well believe in Christ and believe in Allah at the same time."
You can both require faith
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : True. But they contradict each other. It would be crazy to believe in both.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
So u deny jesus existence hence you dont believe the quran LOL LOL
devante11 1 year ago
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@SummerSunshine1988
Just some of your contradicting quotes.....
1. "Yes, my parents first introduced me to God."
2. "I was never convinced to believe in God"
3 "You cannot reason someone out of something that they were never reasoned into". ----->>Go to quote 1 and repeat
devante11 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Just some of your contradicting quotes.....
1. "Yes, my parents first introduced me to God."
2. "I was never convinced to believe in God"
3. "You cannot reason someone out of something that they were never reasoned into". ----->>Go to quote 1 and repeat
Thus you better believe... Jesus is merely a prophet to... as you have the same evidence that "that Jesus is God incarnate"
So it is best that you believe both as they are both taken on faith :)
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 : Introducing me to God doesn't mean that they convinced me to believe. They simply informed me of who He was. It was my own choice to believe it. Similarly to when a friend introduces you to one of his friends. He can introduce you, but he can't make you like the person.
I don't understand why you contacted me again. Nothing has changed. You've made it clear that you think I'm nuts. I've made it clear that I don't care what you think of me. There is nothing left to discuss.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
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@SummerSunshine1988
"But they contradict each other. It would be crazy to believe in both".
But you believe in contradictions .......just take judas from your book as a quick example......so it wouldnt be crazy to believe contradictions would it??????? LOL LOL
devante11 1 year ago