Aztecs: Inside the hidden empire 4/5

[noledgewise1]

Mexicans now-a-days are still sacrificing humans, thanks to drug rulers and a society that's too sacred to do something about it.

[vutube379]

"Died of ASTONISHMENT you say"? Surely, you jest. And no where in Aztec records do the Aztecs refer to Quetzalcoatl as a White god come to save them; scholars are certain that the "white god" was a Spanish invention in rewriting history. Really now? How can anyone believe that the Aztecs worshipped a "fair skinned" savior? Fiction at its best.

[mrfortion408]

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[Synconntez]

Cruelty is a mechanism of control for those who have power.Let's not confuse them for the 'strong.' This entire regime was knocked on it's ass by barely a dozen men.Why that was is because the people excepted the mechanism of their society completely.When they saw God did not interfere on the behalf of their King they assumed because it was meant for them to be conquered.It is what God wanted.The Spanish wasted no time easing their own god right on in over theirs.Strong do not need fear tactics.

[LPdANDYz]

@Synconntez shit happends, thats all it is..thats like saying this lil nerd is not fighting back...easy 2 pick on god has not tried 2 stop me..so it must be ok 2 pick on him...hmm Im gonna try killing him. god dont care. lol but clearly the aztecs where not lame nerds. Smallpocks took most the natives out. Not war.

[vutube379]

@Synconntez You don't know what you are talking about. By barely a dozen men? Where did you get that bullshit story? School book fairytales of the great white man? Give me a break? Learn the truth, not the revised version for the consumption of Europeans.

[Synconntez]

@vutube379 Fairytale?Ever heard of Howard Zinn. I sincerely doubt this great man was writing about fairytales.The manifesto of the people that left on what ship on what dates and under what circumstances are readily available.More than one witness was at the site, and related in essence the same story.Where the Aztec made their fetal error is no different than so many empires like it, where, the ruling population had de-weaponize the entire state except for their retainers,making conquest easy.

[vutube379]

@Synconntez Suffice it say Howard Zinn is either misrepresenting actual facts you are just failing to mention the thousands of Native soldier who ambushed the Empire; the first attempt failed, but the second attack didn't.  I hate to disappoint you, those 12 managed to gain allies.

[Synconntez]

@vutube379 First of all, I do not understand your use of the word, 'disappoint.'The conclusion I expressed here is not only my own.The Aztec as a people were too overly religious to commit to an act wholeheartedly.But guess what, this is not the first instance of this history has recorded.The Aztec was not an 'Empire' in the true sense, since their expanse consisted of mainly TRIBES instead of CLANS!In that sense one family was ruling a group of people through many means except civility!

[vutube379]

@Synconntez It was a TRIPLE ALLIANCE replete with an organized government. What in the world are you talking about? You obviously are misinformed; gravely misinformed. Read "Daily Life of the Aztecs" by Jaqcues Soustelle for starters. It took about two years of infiltration before an attempt was made to ambush the Empire, and it was a sprawling Empire. And for your information, they were more civilized than any Spaniard ever to set foot on American soil. Get your facts straight!

[aimedbm]

@vutube379 Dude civilization means that some people are different from others for example chinese civilization is different then egypt civilization and from the european civilization but all of these 3 are civilizations so the meso-americans people had civilizations of their own cause they were different and for counter-statement ill ask you one simple question.How the ''mighty empires'' of the Aztec,Maya,Inca were conquered by 300 man?Obviously they were under the level of the Europeans

[vutube379]

@aimedbm You are incorrect; civilization can refer to a specific culture and in this case it would be the Aztec culture which was different than the Mayan culture for example. None of these empires were conquered by 12, 20, or 300 men. You need to read more or maybe develope better comprehension skills.

[dragondisaster]

@aimedbm Ummm, they were weakened by diseases brought by the Spanish? Also the Spanish did not conquer the Aztecs with 300 men, they had many thousands of native allies. Also you seem to be quite certain that Europeans did not practice human sacrifice. Celtic peoples did, go and check.

[aimedbm]

@dragondisaster the spanish were the ''head'' of the conquest and they were in small number why aztecs didnt kill the spanish when they were in the palace in Tenoctitlan with Moctezuma II???Celtic people didnt practiced human sacrifice...

[dragondisaster]

@aimedbm There were thousands of Tlaxcala natives the Spanish would have stayed safe. And yes Celtic druids sacrificed people including children, just google it. Why is it so hard to accept that fact

[aimedbm]

@dragondisaster how can there be thousand of tlaxcala natives in tenoctitlan?in hostile territory outside the city yes but im saying inside..moctezuma II had a chance to kill Cortez if he wanted

[vutube379]

@Synconntez Yes, the Aztec Empire was an empire in the true sense. It was a complex form of government replete with distinct levels of government and controls including a collection of taxes. It's architecture and governemnt was more advanced than anything in Spain and rivaled if not exceeded that of feats of engineering in Rome. We are talking about pre-1400 AD so keep that in mind. Most governments have a ruling class; however, in the Aztec empire it was not restricted to family ties.

[Synconntez]

@vutube379 Furthermore, I did not comment there was 12 of them...I said a dozen. Who knows if it was a baker's dozen.From the artifacts and information recovered I am going to go out on the limb and suggest the reason the Aztec retainers did not retaliate on Cortes and his men is because they were afraid of retaliation if Cortes failed to return to Spain.Given those circumstances, rather than switch allegiance perse, they simply failed to act.A changing of the guards of sort....

[vutube379]

@Synconntez If it weren't for the smallpox epidemic introduced by the Spaniards upon their arrival in 1492, I doubt very much things would have gone so easily. By the time the Spaniards had reached Mexico many were infected or dying including the Emperor which is why they were overtaken n the final battles which was won with only 1000 warrior enemies now allied with Cortez. Imagine that the Empire fought an outlier prior to invasion with 20,000 men but retreated becuz the opposition had 40,000.

[Synconntez]

@vutube379 One last thing. Some of the Spaniards did not return to Spain. They stayed and ruled the Aztecs until the state of Mexico was founded as distinct from the Catholic controlled colony of Azstonia. incidentally, Mexico declared independence from Spain in 1810, but it was not even recognized until 11 years later. And not long after, their territory started to be annexed off by the USA. Which led to interventions by Austria...blah blah blah blah....

[vutube379]

@Synconntez A lot happened after their Emperor was murdered. Quote Wiki: "The fall of Tenochtitlan usually is referred to as the main episode in the process of the conquest of Mesoamerica. However, this process was much more complex and took longer than the three years that it took Cortés to conquer Tenochtitlan. It took almost 60 years of wars for the Spaniards to suppress the resistance of the Indian population of Mesoamerica."

[Synconntez]

@vutube379 did you just quote wiki? oO!!!! My point is not mute.There was bound to be rebellions, but not an attempt at restoration.Just rebellions.Wiki didn't seem to indicate the fact that most of them converted over to the Catholicism, as is the standard religion in the region today and all those people are still descendant from the Aztecs.And while most Mexicans are eager to break free from the leash of the currency system that came later, they sure as hell are not thinking of an emperor!

[vutube379]

@Synconntez Are you aware of the brutality used against the Mexica and others to force them to comply? They were forced to convert; it was either that or be killed. But the conversion required incorporating religious beliefs they were unwilling to relinquish. EX: Today Mexicans revere the Virgin of Guadalupe over Jesus Christ becuz the Aztecs worshipped the Great Mother Goddess. The Aztecs also pracised infant baptism with water as you practised today. Celebrations and religious (1-1)

[vutube379]

@Synconntez processions in the streets continue; along with superstitious beliefs; all carryovers of Aztec traditions. I never suggested they were thinking of an emperor. But the Aztecs were more socialistic in their thinking. The tithes of food stuff was stored for rainy days when food was scarce; they were also given clothing in time of need. Yes, the Empire was organized and regimented and everyone in it played a role, but the benefits were also great for its time. (1-2)

[Synconntez]

@vutube379 All the things you said are fact, my friend, but my point is not mute. You talk of the Aztecs as if things couldn't be better. But even today, as American's, me being able to communicate with you at a distance over the internet is awesome, our ability to gather a exchange information is awesome, but still we find we are dissatisfied with how things are, correct? We want something to change, right? What makes you think at the time they were all that different? (1-1)

[Synconntez]

@vutube379 no matter how great the achievement, once that is passed, if there is nothing else to achieve we lose a sense of goal and purpose. The Aztecs, so organized in their ideal and thought to build cities the way they did, the fact of how they understood the internal biology of the body, without doubt need constant achievement as a way to keep propelling forward, and it was obvious they were hitting a ceiling, and the elites were taking out this frustration on the ignorant. No? (1-2)

[vutube379]

@Synconntez I think you underestimate them. Certainly, there was unrest, because as tribes were conquered and assimilated they resented not being free; however, this only happened when a tribe was rude or unwilling to trade or killed Aztec trade merchants when they went on their voyages. The Empire did go out of their way to make them feel a part of the Empire by incorporating their religious practices no matter how goulish into theirs. You'd be surprised to learn that they were a bit snobbish.

[vutube379]

@Synconntez Contd. Based on what they had already accomplished & their comittment to compulsary education, math, astronomy, medicine, writing, art, and religioun as well as the expansion of the Empire, I believe that changes would have naturally occurred. Either way a shift would have taken place because they were creative and imaginative and they didn't kill for kill sake. They were ahead of their time in many respects; they would have figured it out on their own. Instead utter destruction.

[vutube379]

@Synconntez One last thing, their penal code was severe as in severed head if you violated the rule of law. No stealing, no cheating, no drinking, except on special occasions and after the age of 50 which was retirement age, no unfair dealings towards civilians in bureaucratic governance (I'm certain the corruption in Mexico is a Spaniard legacy), no high ranking dress unless you were a high ranking official, and you never, ever flaunted your wealth (the traders were considered very wealthy).

[Synconntez]

@vutube379 Lastly, I am not taking anything away from these brilliant people, but the people being as they were do not imply they lived in a paradise free of crimes and brutality. Come on now.... The Spanish could not be so animalistic as to walk into paradise with sparkly vampires all over the place and some how not think they had found heaven. Obviously they were not so overly impress. It was as much like Spain for them to treat it as just another place to reap and plunder when advantaged.

[vutube379]

@Synconntez The Spaniards were animalistic evidenced by their sheer brutality & ignorance. The Spaniards weren't very clean for starters.The Aztecs were emaculate people; they bathed, they kept their cities clean, they washed their clothes; the had soap. They did walk into paradise and they as much as said so. The Aztec rule of law was severe and they obeyed or else. Did the typical human bad behavior exist? Yes, but it was addressed either by their elders or government officials. Read the book.

[Synconntez]

@vutube379 I think it is time to just stop talking to you as you are on a nationalistic high, rather than an actually spiritual or philosophical interaction. You want to restore the ancient Aztec way where your faith was decided by one person, be my guess. I was not comparing the two people, I was simply pointing out that a collapse of any system revolves around not just a stronger foe, but a vulnerability already present in the system before it fell.

[Synconntez]

@vutube379 the word 'con' means to exploit. It had once held an alternative etymology in the original 'Latin' as Com, meaning community or together. But the Castillos thought of the Latins as nothing more than people who exploited their own kind to get what they have and thus they should do the same, but only to outsiders, implies, covenant, as into take charge. I do not need you to explain to me the quality of person Cortes was. It is clear in the word he chooses he wanted to be a Rex....

[vutube379]

@Synconntez I am not interested in resurrecting the Aztec ways; I am pointing out that the story of the Spaniards and English for that matter were to villify the Aztecs & NAs to justify the horrors they committed and plundering of their wealth. The Aztecs were NOT the uncivilized savages they were portrayed to be nor were the NAs of the North. How did the invasion benefit the native population by Europeans? We continue to be treated as 2nd class citizens denied the same privileges afforded to E.

[Synconntez]

@vutube379 I should point out I am 'black', incidentally, as designated by the same people you are referring to and in no way am I praising them for the historical crimes committed then and now, but even so I don't believe in anything such as civilized Empires. Tribes are the only thing on the planet, in their feral state, proven to be in-tuned and in harmony with nature outside of Buddhism. Living in civility brings with in many inequities.

[vutube379]

@Synconntez The Aztec empire wasn't tribal considering they were pluralistic society, but was a metropolis for its time; there is a big difference. It was tribes that were conquered and assimilated. The open markets on weekends brought people from all over up to 70,000 trading goods and eats. You have the wrong impression of the Aztecs but it is understandable. Our current system of imperialism and plutocracy will also meet its end eventually or change direction. Yes, hopefully peacefully.

[Synconntez]

@vutube379 Well, an Empire implies a tiered system,so by no means did I say it was a tribe,but it controlled tribes and elders,as oppose to a chief which heads a clan of confederate tribes,themselves controlled by elders.I also recognize that the Aztecs were quite capable people and yes as they are now it is simply unfair how things are,and yes in part it is owed to butchery, but I think we owe this growth to many cultures interacting.So I feel your frustration, but I think you should let it go.

[Synconntez]

@vutube379 I also agree 100% that these egoists seem to only think of themselves, but no big deal, so did my ex-girlfriend, and all I had to do was leave that dead-end relationship.But your sentiments do not need a revision of historical records, since blacks, whites, yellows, reds, doesn't matter, as a whole feel that our institutions ignore all but the whims of the wealthy.I do not need to do or say anything to see it come to an end. The masses will do that, I just hope we do it peacefully.

[Synconntez]

@vutube379 I also wanted to make it clear that I am not looking down on the Aztecs.The term technology gives merit to them.Mexico city was one of the three mega cities before World War II, New York & Tokyo being the other two.Now there are 21 mega-cities.Mexico made on water and their knowledge contributed to developments in New Orleans.But I don't think they want a damn emperor back,but to instead dismiss the insensitive distancing wealth worshiping ministers so similar to the ones before Spain

[XxnamcoxcapcomxX]

It's not true that we come to this earth to live. We come only to sleep, only to dream. Damn that pretty deep shit for a buch of "barbarians"

[vutube379]

@XxnamcoxcapcomxX At least that is what the White man likes to call them. They were deep thinkers, highly religious and superstitious, creatived, intelligent, and for all intents and purposes, a peaceful Empire: in other words, they took great care never to kill a captive, and unless those captives agreed to assimilation into the Empire, most were never sacrificed. But it should be noted that they were treated like kings for one full year and given a place of honor amoung the gods for the gift.

[karioka2]

Americans Hate Mexicans and discriminate them .....

[Marco81MX]

Comments are full of trolls. How sad.

[supralex1]

Whatever. Medieval Euros didn't make religious sacrifices of 2-6 year old children because of famine.

[forbiddenwaffles]

@supralex1 No but they fucking killed off their parents for being witches and heretics and left the kids on their own to suffer and die. Every fucking culture has sacrificed people, asshole. Get off your high horse and open a history book.

[karioka2]

@supralex1 you are a very gay person....

[Synconntez]

@supralex1 First, as always, context is missing from these videos.How do we know that the slain were not criminals.Who has ever discussed the Aztec penal system?How do we know entire families of criminals were not killed, and for your damn information in medieval Europe entire families were pulled a part for any number of reasons and torture was dished out whenever.The Japanese had cruel penal laws no different from this; the only reason why it was brushed over is they were never concurred.

[kingslegion1]

so they did not depend on the gods.. they made aquaducts.. not trusting the gods... if they ever did..

[TheShotokanWarrior]

how quaint. 

[reed1the1unique]

Why must the pendulum swing with such inertia? The Aztecs may not have been horrible people, in fact they were very advanced for the time era, but there is an overwhelming amount of evidence of sacrifice. It was voluntary because they had widely accepted beliefs of sacrifice, tracing back to the Olmecs. Even if groups aren't as horrible as people make them out to be, it doesn't mean that they're perfect.

[mitomke]

How about the guy wearing flayed skin. He must be a "green" guy because he is recycling skin.Im sur the victims families understand and want to flay him next. Its the cycle of death.

[grufle1906]

I wish people would stop talking about the human sacrifice, both those condemning the aztecs for it and those defending them. How about some discussion of their other characteristics. The fact that they established a compulsory education program. Perhaps their unique view on religion, where Gods were not separate deities but overlapped and intertwined, almost as if they were manifestations of a single God. Their urban planning and sanitation. politics of the Excan Tlaloyan. pick something else

[tepan4d]

This is the European history! The city is full of blood mexhica in every building because they were killed by the Spaniards by Thousands. Not for sacrifices

Just remember... The town city was bloody, included kids, woman's and elderly people. Was a Genocide!!!!!

[Stelphanie]

@tepan4d And most of those were killed by other mexhica who had the Spaniards on their side (or so they thought).

The city fell to an army of thousands(30 000+), of whom less than 700 were European. Pretty much every sacked city, ever, everywhere in the world (europe, asia, africa, americas), prior to 18th century europe looked like that after an invader broke a siege. Sorry

Human rights are a French invention. That's right, white, European, frog's legs with cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

[reed1the1unique]

@Stelphanie

Actually, depending on how you define human rights, it was invented by the Greeks. The Aztecs had their own forms of human rights, such as the ability to change your status in society within limits.

[Yogiphildas]

I am glad that the historian is looking at sacrifice within its cultural context and not from a "christian" view (who also believe in blood sacrifice btw, the sacrifice of god's own son...) Who are we to judge a culture by another's standard?

[rangerbobcat]

For an interesting view check out: Engineering an empire; the Aztecs.  Check

out how these folks built their cities, causeways, aqueducts and farm lands.

[ExplicitAndEquipped]

These are a people with feelings of great obligation to the very forces that drive them, it's a wonder how some find it hard to believe that such practices would be considered honourable or even civilized. An enlightened people who understood what sacrifice is all about, giving up what you treasure for the greater good, these people weren't just thinking for themselves, but for future generations. The events in the colosseum were more selfish and gluttonous affairs. This is far from bloodlust.

[holapeople24]

7:50 need a translation

[Deldrone]

They're not weird, they're fucking insane and ignorant like all religious people.

[ED000111]

the aztec people made a culture that understood ,excpeted death and caused it with a purpose..they were not afriad those were evolved thoughts that were construed with a spiritual/conscious belief!!!! something that no other culture managed to achieve!!!!!!

ex. Christianity - believes that heaven and paradise awaits them after death,but scream,cry and run from death???!!!!!!

Do you see how their is no contradiction in the aztec belief !!!

WITH A BIT MORE TIME IT WOULD OF REACHED PERFECTION!!

[dirtdemon6]

sacrificing children is not cool man!

[christianz2010]

@dirtdemon6 neither is white history man

[kingklooneyville]

Me encanta este video muy bueno sigue así. =P

[suarneduj]

Nature of complexity??? Try bleaching ADOLF HITLER he also loved animals and never personally hurt a single person... whatta croack of shit can be imposed on retarded sheeple...

[pucksterz12]

The early catholic churched burned people at the stake if they even spoke negatively about the church. Brutal death was the norm in all cultures in the first 1500 years of Christ. This brutality among their people was their way of life.

[Dodec84]

the narrator sounds like michael moore

[77AdHominem]

Yeah, its funny whenever Western scholars give accounts of the Aztecs the first thing they bring up is the blood sacrifice. They describe them as blood thirsty, cannibalistic, immoral, backwards people who only knew how to rip hearts out. Yet, when someone thinks of ancient Greeks or Romans, the first things associated with them are the sciences, arts, architecture, religion, philosophy, law, etc. Never mind slavery, death rings, torture, cannibalism, and sodomy, among other things.

[SuperiorSquid]

@77AdHominem

True, all societies have had good things and bad things

[000000AEA000000]

@77AdHominem you have to keep in mind... its the only thing they know. They brought the fall of the culture with them, so they did not "learn" much about it, they did just destroy it ;-). And thats why there will be only these "horror" stories about them. History is written by the victor.

[MANUbjx]

@77AdHominem All those "bad" things from the Aztecs had to be remarked by spanish to justify their invassion to those lands. Anyone who tried to say the truth, to glorify the goodness of the Aztec culture, and to denounce the barbarian atitude of invaders against native people, was sent to inquisition and probably killed (the case of Servando Teresa de Mier, who was sent to prission for giving a speach in front of the Bishop and the Viceroy condemning the reasons of the invassion by Spaniards).

[aimedbm]

@77AdHominem None from the Europe's historicians and archeologists hide the slavery death rings tortures but european people didnt practiced cannibalism(human sacrifice).You should read more European history before you make statement.Its fact that aztec did human sacrifice and they were the only one in the world practicing it along with maya's and other american people

[vutube379]

@aimedbm Cannibalism and human sacrifice was practiced in Europe in the not-so-distant past and in ancient times. Your research is incomplete which tells me you don't want to know the truth. I will post links to your page.

[aimedbm]

@vutube379 Europeans practiced animal sacrifice not human sacrifice while they were pagans or better said in B.C in AD all Europe taken the christian religion.My research is correct but i agree with the fact that western countries of Europe have done many conquests

[vutube379]

@aimedbm Did you not read the links I sent you? Pretty clear it was human sacrifice and cannibalism. And those were just a few links. Europeans have a knack for projecting their own sins onto others; they even committed mass murder in the name of God. Even today, some notable leaders, perform a ritual of mock human sacrifice, as videotaped by Alex Jones at Bohemian Grove in San Francisco: it was shocking to learn the elite find this sort of thing entertaining.

[Krieghalter1]

Excellent docu!! thanks for posting!. The Aztec king who ENGINEER (poet also), design and order the construction of those amazing hidraulic constructions and temples was NEZAHUALCÓYOTL.... they can not speak the name so they omit it. hehehe.

Excelente documental. Gracias por

El Rey, ingeniero, poeta que hizo esas obras de ingeniería hidráuilica se llamó:

NEZAHUALCÓYOTL.... parece que como lo pueden pronunciar no lo mencionan.

[JobPadalla]

were learning about aztecs in sckool

[Duffo19]

Ya habia visto este documentale en TV y me encanto ahora verlo de nuevo fue lo mejor, gracias, que orgullo tener sangre azteca por mis venas.

[psydreck]

there in tlatelolco was a massacre in October 2 of 1968 by the mexican goverment and

[Yurokdude]

aztecs seem 2 b about life and death 2 me

[loboanamiguelito]

sin lugar a duda Rtame, tu pueblo es muy rico en história, y tenemos los pueblos latinos de entender la cultura Azteca por su carasteristica de civilización, cultura predominante sobre la creencia de fortalecer su Cultura e Imperio.Realmente maravilloso, felicitaciones a los creadores de este video.

[rtame]

geneal uno de los mejores videos que he visto.

vien realizado muy educativo lastima que no muchos mexicanos no interesa nuestas raices nuestro pasado.

mucha suerte y gracias por poner estos videos.

raul trejo

[medavog]

@rtame me encanta la historia de Mexico, Los aztecas, nada de la historia del presente de Mexico, es un asco!