-but actually he died becuase he was really drunk, then he tried to go to sleep, took his regualr sleeping pills, but died becuase of it, it wasnt hard drugs
@bigcatzinno damn..I can't wait. got the meet n greet VIP passes :D i hope Supernat freestyles lol. I saw him freestyle the setlist to the rae/ghost show, it was nuts........
@JiveDG uhhh hahahahha yeah that ment its over theres no need for him to retaliate. craig g killed supernat, a lot of you supernat fans dnt wanna hear that tho.
Supernat is free style god hands down, but Craig G did his home work and was mentally prepared to lyrically battle Shakespeare if need be that night, not to mention that he drank half a 40 oz of liquid courage, making a all ready dangerous opponent a unbeatable one.
you have to be ready to play chess with the industry at any moment...props to them both though cause they are both legends in their own right...peace n respect
So glad that goof supernat lost...because the only thing he has is delivary other then that he kicks shitty punchlines and the msot basic single rhymes
This is so dumb, its a BATTLE when both get to participate then the crowd decide... This was just a one man show without givin the other an opportunity.
This wasnt a battle. IT so stupid to even suggest it was...
@BlakeLinebarger fact: Mc Juice is credited with over 200 wins and only 2 loses (one to Supernat, one to Black PEgasus aka Yo Mamas Pimp in '03 when Juice was only battling at SCribble that year so he could preform his set after)
Nat is a great Mc BUT he bitches anytime he loses, oh its the crowd, the music, i got cut off, take your losses and stop being a bitch. Its good to see that he took what craig g did to him and started using it on other mc's
@3000Oakland I agree totally if you watch the mc juice battle and juice tears him apart then supernat kicks some brutal single rhymes and the crowd goes insane
@3000Oakland Idk how supernatural bitches when he loses when this is like the only battle he's lost...i dont even consider this a lost because it is true how the people didnt let him come back. its like you gettin into a fight and the dude punches you and people hold you back before you can do something, is that losing the fight?
@bratva13 ....he was bitchin tho. Talking about "I learned who was real in the industry" and all of that as if him losing was some real underhanded shit. Just take the L, Nat.
@1080whooosh Of course Nat would admit defeat, but that don't mean he believes that. That's like a ball player saying, "They just played a better game than us." And its natural for both MCs to talk over one another if they get the chance, but when the CROWD drowns someone out, that's F'd up, because they're the ones that are supposed to be listening. So no, he didn't lose this battle. We really can't say who did, because we didn't hear it!
Supernat won, just on the fact that the crowd wouldn't let Supernat answer back. You can't just drown out someone and say he lost!! That's like the Craig G fan club in that crowd. BS
There was always speculation as to how prepared Craig came just because of the sheer creativity of his lines as well as the fact that they were supposed to have battled a little earlier.
Supernat's rep has always been as a pure improvisor.
Regardless,this aint none of this you tube,fame hungry battle rap,this was on some straight hip hop shit.
i like nat better but first he bitches about something in every battle that juice shit last rhyme he spit was written ok and whether hes better or not he lost the battle and how did craig g set him up nat spit first and dissed him first stop cryin you lost and neither of them will ever be anything more than a freestyle/battle rapper
@budalokz1 actually that 2nd one was close ,and if u think this was a set up well not compared to supernat settin up craig for the 2nd battle, and craig didnt have to take it but he still did cuz hes a real MC, he coulda said i already beat this dude
good clarification zefas7. It might seem like supernat lost this. But who is more famous? who has more sick freestyles on youtube? Its clear that Supernatural is ultimately better.
as you can see battlez and recordz are different yo! nat aint never bubbled on records! he's compositions lyrically never really matched well to music! you would have thougth this kid would blew up on that shit but no. i dont know who did his beats but it didnt work! same for JUICE his delivery is nonchalant not really powerful other than putin words together!
yea, he said "i dont think it was a set up" in this video but he said he thaught a couple of them already planned out this battle before without supernat knowing. and that battle with juice, they really did try to give super nat a wack beat which is unacceptable.
Oh well, he took a "L" that night. Craig G got to much hip hop pride to loose in an ordinary hip hop battle. That's like saying, Craig will clam up in a one on one Mic battle. C'mon ppl. If you believe that, you don't know a damn thing about hip hop history. If you come from Marley Marls camp, let lone QB, I HIGHLY doubt you gonna get toasted on the MIC.
They had another freestyle battle and MC Supernat smoked Craig G I have the audio 4 the freestyle and while Supernat was spittin his flowz Craig stopped Supernat after Craig dissed him and his hood because Im guessin it was gettin too personal.
supernatural should have got another chance to talk....and the battle is only 1 round...if it was about like 3 rounds then supernatural would have killed it!..
I was there it was sureal i was working for the Lyricist Lounge during the new music seminar i was onstage standing next to nat when craig hit him with the death blow "last night ya moms sucked my dick for a autograph" it was like craig hit son with a gut shot i could see the air go outta son like he was punched the had kelt it rather pedestrian to that point it was one of my favorite moments thank ant and danny of the ll peace
ha ha maybe hes taking care of himself? no? well, thats cause your a dumb bitch, who makes stupid assumptions to start rumors because you dont like them. again, dumbbitch. you, dumb bitch, dumb bitch, you. clear enough for ya? Crystal.
it wasnt no set up, craig G simple out smarted him by saving his energy. the crowd decided craic G won when they started chanting. it was over. super nat obviously came amazing with it too though but craig G like i said, saved his energy.
bout the mike tyson thing.... tyson got put in a indiana pen..supernat from indiana..basically sayin wen ya go bak get him out the slammer coz supernat aint shit!!!!! personally i think if supernat had anova verse it wud of been close, craig g still gt my most respect doe!!
That's not really fair that Nat didn't even get a chance to rhyme again after Craig spit that "Mike Tyson" line which I didn't get by the way.Can anybody explain it?
why is it a big deal that u like people who are from your city more than the people who is an outsider! the crowd is disrespectful, i bet supernatural can still win it but, they dont give em a chance..
there's no "chance"... when you lose a battle, you lost. there's no comeback from it in a live environment. when the whole crowd has picked the winner, it's over.
I was there. It was crazy. The best battle i have ever witnessed. To me it was a tie. Supernat and Graig are both great. I was haning out with Kool Herc and I met the Ultramagnetics at that show. Great memories.
supernat just got bigger an bigger
danorambo 4 weeks ago
@dict8tor1 tht would be epic!!
risingpauler 1 month ago
Craig G = The Freestyle GOAT.
Eziokilla9595 1 month ago
supernat vs eyedea
now that's a battle probably to of the most sickest freestyle's ever
dict8tor1 2 months ago
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dict8tor1 2 months ago
Now for someone to beat supernatural thats big
transform3211 2 months ago
oh oh ..didnt check this battle ,,jeezzz
notchsupreme 3 months ago
They ambushed him.
Darkelite410 3 months ago in playlist MC Battles
Eminem vs SuperNat.
coolgang1234 4 months ago
@coolgang1234 wow lol idk about that one O.o
TrueSomename 4 months ago
@coolgang1234 supernat would slay eminem.
TrueSomename 3 months ago
i wish we could see Eyedea vs Supernatural
ItMightBeAChicken 4 months ago
His battle against Juice makes up for it ...
Skatem93 5 months ago 9
Wow super natural in my book greatest freestyle battle rapper ever
rawnotion22 5 months ago
Craig G. (Unleaded Gasoline runnin up in crews with no vasoline CALL 911 Itll be a drastic seen) best verse ever.
mxjoe19 6 months ago
how bout eyedea vs supernat?!!?
thecustomfagot 6 months ago
@thecustomfagot eyedea died in his sleep last year from a od.
MrMbodhi 6 months ago
@thecustomfagot
i know that, i was just proposing the concept
-but actually he died becuase he was really drunk, then he tried to go to sleep, took his regualr sleeping pills, but died becuase of it, it wasnt hard drugs
thecustomfagot 6 months ago
Saw super open for ghost and raekwon,guy is incredible..needs more recognition
Scottysilence70 6 months ago
@Scottysilence70 was this recently? Cause I just found out that Supernat was opening for my rae/ghost/and mobb concert in sept. how was it??
southsouthbronx 6 months ago
@southsouthbronx I just saw Supernat, raekwon and ghost the other day. Supernat stole the show.
bigcatzinno 6 months ago
@bigcatzinno damn..I can't wait. got the meet n greet VIP passes :D i hope Supernat freestyles lol. I saw him freestyle the setlist to the rae/ghost show, it was nuts........
southsouthbronx 6 months ago
beat in second round?!
21ljevar 7 months ago
vibes and stuff atcq
xhoni123456 7 months ago
nice ,but eminem would kill them
hahah
xhoni123456 7 months ago
@xhoni123456 stfu noob
majmunko23 7 months ago
@majmunko23 lmao,relax,i told that just to c ,how ppl would react ,
i know eminem is lower than these giants
eminem=out of top 10 anyway
xhoni123456 7 months ago
@xhoni123456
Btw, Juice kilt eminem rap olympics and supernatural kilt juice freestyle so i think supernatural would prob win against eminem.
Swordmastercalvin 7 months ago
crush ya career like i did supernaturalll
MrSuperHuD 8 months ago
Craig G lost in reality, It was just the crowd hype that made him win and didn't let Supernat's words get heard.
JiveDG 8 months ago
@JiveDG uhhh hahahahha yeah that ment its over theres no need for him to retaliate. craig g killed supernat, a lot of you supernat fans dnt wanna hear that tho.
XxsmokenXyZ 7 months ago
So, who won?
Mrcharliem251 9 months ago
M P A R E!
SuperMpare 9 months ago
juice did beat eminem in a freestyle, and supernat beat juice over politics but if u listen to round 3 he kills supernat
vae2k 9 months ago
Supernat is free style god hands down, but Craig G did his home work and was mentally prepared to lyrically battle Shakespeare if need be that night, not to mention that he drank half a 40 oz of liquid courage, making a all ready dangerous opponent a unbeatable one.
jacquelineevep1 10 months ago 3
supernat sucks dicks compared to JU or craig g, gtfo stage
vae2k 10 months ago
@vae2k juice almost beat eminem in a freestyle final, supernat destroyed juice
DeathDevice1212 9 months ago
what's the beat there using to battle?
Sentinel2k1 11 months ago
@Sentinel2k1 Ill Al Scratch - Creep wit me
LooseFit88 8 months ago
supernat got a little back in round 2
superlodd1 11 months ago
dam imagine if they laid a track together
got2beStaya 11 months ago
you have to be ready to play chess with the industry at any moment...props to them both though cause they are both legends in their own right...peace n respect
NeoNitty 1 year ago
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69ways2sunday 1 year ago
supernatural beat craig g in the rematch
youngice604 1 year ago
So glad that goof supernat lost...because the only thing he has is delivary other then that he kicks shitty punchlines and the msot basic single rhymes
kslayz420 1 year ago
@kslayz420 he won stupid smh -.-
5cen5cal9 1 year ago
@5cen5cal9 ya in the rematch goof
kslayz420 1 year ago
I was there.
djlain 1 year ago
Yo, it got to a fever pitch, a fever pitch.
SurgeCess 1 year ago 2
eyo Craig, where you at?
wesleyfucheck 1 year ago
Supernat learns from defeat
TheIlleventhoughts 1 year ago
1:38 AHAH LOOKS LIKE KRS ONE VS. KRS ONE AHAHA
bitemybeanerass 1 year ago 2
@blakphantom freestyle the art of rhyme. i believe i could be wrong tho just like anybody
09noblet 1 year ago
SuperNat is still a Beast
SFREEMUSIC1 1 year ago
This is so dumb, its a BATTLE when both get to participate then the crowd decide... This was just a one man show without givin the other an opportunity.
This wasnt a battle. IT so stupid to even suggest it was...
TheChewyTunes 1 year ago
Regardless of who won this battle Supernat has more battle wins than anyone
BlakeLinebarger 1 year ago
@BlakeLinebarger fact: Mc Juice is credited with over 200 wins and only 2 loses (one to Supernat, one to Black PEgasus aka Yo Mamas Pimp in '03 when Juice was only battling at SCribble that year so he could preform his set after)
sourdeeznuts 1 year ago
@sourdeeznuts And everyone knows Yo Mama's Pimp didnt really beat him. The judges were asleep or something.
devilselbow 1 year ago
@shadywhite91 'stfu eminem is mainstream. No mainstream artist matches the talent of the underground
j4ckr4bbit 1 year ago
Nat is a great Mc BUT he bitches anytime he loses, oh its the crowd, the music, i got cut off, take your losses and stop being a bitch. Its good to see that he took what craig g did to him and started using it on other mc's
3000Oakland 1 year ago 10
@3000Oakland I agree totally if you watch the mc juice battle and juice tears him apart then supernat kicks some brutal single rhymes and the crowd goes insane
kslayz420 1 year ago
@3000Oakland shutup. he was cut off. fairs fair
SIGsogger 5 months ago
@3000Oakland I dunno man, that clip of him talking about it makes him seem quite humble and level-headed.
AlreadyWithThee 4 months ago
@3000Oakland Idk how supernatural bitches when he loses when this is like the only battle he's lost...i dont even consider this a lost because it is true how the people didnt let him come back. its like you gettin into a fight and the dude punches you and people hold you back before you can do something, is that losing the fight?
trla8793 4 months ago
@3000Oakland Supernat wasn't bitching... he learned, moved on, and has slaughtered every mc in his path since that night.
bratva13 3 months ago
@bratva13 ....he was bitchin tho. Talking about "I learned who was real in the industry" and all of that as if him losing was some real underhanded shit. Just take the L, Nat.
flipgood89 3 weeks ago
@3000Oakland Nah, that's bullshit. The New York crowd always did shit like that to out-of-towners.
funkateer17 1 month ago
@MrRickjay2009 Yes, Juice beat Eminem in 1997, but now 2010, and Eminem has got many genius lyrics
ShadyWhite91 1 year ago
@ShadyWhite91 eminem in 2010 is worse then he was in 1997
OshawaStateOfMind 9 months ago
I want to see EMINEM VS SUPERNATURAL BATTLE!!!
ShadyWhite91 1 year ago
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wats the name of the beat @1:11 ???
ronr3kt69 1 year ago
wats the name of the beat @ 1:11 ???
ronr3kt69 1 year ago
naww CRAIG G IS A MONSTER
Herblasier 1 year ago
check out my youtube channel for "one more saturday night' featuring Craig G
BQmuzik 1 year ago
Niggas was shreiking @ 2:05 at the Mike Tyson line. Beast.
Lol
TrueDiligence 1 year ago
@1080whooosh Of course Nat would admit defeat, but that don't mean he believes that. That's like a ball player saying, "They just played a better game than us." And its natural for both MCs to talk over one another if they get the chance, but when the CROWD drowns someone out, that's F'd up, because they're the ones that are supposed to be listening. So no, he didn't lose this battle. We really can't say who did, because we didn't hear it!
ninjayang 1 year ago
this is standard behavour in africa i belive
wanpopstikle 1 year ago
Supernat won, just on the fact that the crowd wouldn't let Supernat answer back. You can't just drown out someone and say he lost!! That's like the Craig G fan club in that crowd. BS
ninjayang 1 year ago
supernat is the best in the world
deezy1891 1 year ago
Supernatural is regarded as the best in the world, but in this fight he defeated Craig G.
coorhen 1 year ago
well no matter wut in the hip hop history books it will always say craig g murders supernat
ds8813 1 year ago
whats the beat they rappin on...
DeDiKan 1 year ago
Ill & Al Scratch's "Where My Homies?"
thirdshift47 1 year ago
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metallicjohn 1 year ago
Do these guys really rap off the top of their heads or is it pre-written or is it a mix of both?
Stonewallboy 1 year ago
There was always speculation as to how prepared Craig came just because of the sheer creativity of his lines as well as the fact that they were supposed to have battled a little earlier.
Supernat's rep has always been as a pure improvisor.
Regardless,this aint none of this you tube,fame hungry battle rap,this was on some straight hip hop shit.
thirdshift47 1 year ago
you gotta be a fool to have freestyle battle with craig g one of the best to spit on the top
MrWARBUCKS24 1 year ago
hahahahaha they look like twins hahahahahha
hueysmalls 2 years ago
i like nat better but first he bitches about something in every battle that juice shit last rhyme he spit was written ok and whether hes better or not he lost the battle and how did craig g set him up nat spit first and dissed him first stop cryin you lost and neither of them will ever be anything more than a freestyle/battle rapper
philhouse64 2 years ago
I guess this is the only way he'd ever lose a battle
disturbed157 2 years ago
it was a FEEVA PITCH!
bolts512 2 years ago 6
obviously supernat is may more of an MC... he has way more shit in him .. bring up a remach with ONE FUCKIN MIKE. and craig g's ass is fried..
chiliiyy 2 years ago
@chiliiyy
hey man there is another video where they went up against eachother supernat murdered craig g
budalokz1 1 year ago
@budalokz1 actually that 2nd one was close ,and if u think this was a set up well not compared to supernat settin up craig for the 2nd battle, and craig didnt have to take it but he still did cuz hes a real MC, he coulda said i already beat this dude
ds8813 1 year ago
good clarification zefas7. It might seem like supernat lost this. But who is more famous? who has more sick freestyles on youtube? Its clear that Supernatural is ultimately better.
DTAM00 2 years ago
@DTAM00 make a long story short craig g won the battle but not the war. thats pretty much it
mistask8a 2 years ago
as you can see battlez and recordz are different yo! nat aint never bubbled on records! he's compositions lyrically never really matched well to music! you would have thougth this kid would blew up on that shit but no. i dont know who did his beats but it didnt work! same for JUICE his delivery is nonchalant not really powerful other than putin words together!
ozoid455 2 years ago
im thinkin rematch?anybody agree? and ONE MOTHAFUCKIN MIKE!
GuruDank 2 years ago
Supernat's supersoft. This is the second time I heard him bitch about something being a "set up" (the other time was when he battled MC Juice).
Carolinaman09 2 years ago
yea, he said "i dont think it was a set up" in this video but he said he thaught a couple of them already planned out this battle before without supernat knowing. and that battle with juice, they really did try to give super nat a wack beat which is unacceptable.
BestVideosEver01 2 years ago
he said "i dont think it was a setup,but i think they know what they were going to do before i did"
and thats true
cuz supernat didnt plan anything,but craig g came there only to battle supernatural
so dont brag...
zefas07 2 years ago
actually it was Juice that was complaining that they kept giving him whack beats
bolts512 2 years ago
well it was kinda true. they gave supernat more hyped music to get the crowd
mistask8a 2 years ago
Oh well, he took a "L" that night. Craig G got to much hip hop pride to loose in an ordinary hip hop battle. That's like saying, Craig will clam up in a one on one Mic battle. C'mon ppl. If you believe that, you don't know a damn thing about hip hop history. If you come from Marley Marls camp, let lone QB, I HIGHLY doubt you gonna get toasted on the MIC.
Baltimorehop 2 years ago
craig g straight bitch!!!!!!
JimHrdz 2 years ago
why in the HELL would anyone in their right or left mind wanna battle Craig man?
bigkingsha 2 years ago
whats the backing track
grahamgrahamson 2 years ago
"Where My Homies."
Ill & Al Scratch.
thirdshift47 2 years ago
supernat destroys anybody
Brasilianboy09 2 years ago 26
@Brasilianboy09 exept craig on this night... JUICE CREW= greatest battle group ever!!!
ds8813 1 year ago
@Brasilianboy09 except eminem
rhymekilla12 6 months ago
@rhymekilla12 you kiddin right? Eminem lost to juice at scribble jam. supernat MURDERED juice
lloydSSJ4 5 months ago
@Brasilianboy09 ill battle that nigga supper natural
gallardowilliam 6 months ago
you aint coming to new york from indiana and winnin shit !!!!!!!
DKvsLow 2 years ago
this wasnt real cause it was only 1 round !
if it was a real one the would go 3 rounds and super would have smoked him ! I THINK THIS SHIT WAS A SETUP period !
kingreverse1 2 years ago
They had another freestyle battle and MC Supernat smoked Craig G I have the audio 4 the freestyle and while Supernat was spittin his flowz Craig stopped Supernat after Craig dissed him and his hood because Im guessin it was gettin too personal.
Strictly4Underground 2 years ago
supernatural should have got another chance to talk....and the battle is only 1 round...if it was about like 3 rounds then supernatural would have killed it!..
punk4rox 2 years ago
i think if they woulda shut up and let nat spit he woulda won it but craigs dope too
MillzThaLyricGod 2 years ago
I was there it was sureal i was working for the Lyricist Lounge during the new music seminar i was onstage standing next to nat when craig hit him with the death blow "last night ya moms sucked my dick for a autograph" it was like craig hit son with a gut shot i could see the air go outta son like he was punched the had kelt it rather pedestrian to that point it was one of my favorite moments thank ant and danny of the ll peace
drugczar 2 years ago
what the first beat they ryme to i like it
MillzThaLyricGod 2 years ago
They need to release the full version of this battle. Legendary. I wish I could be present during something like this.
gattiward 2 years ago
are you even speaking english in the last 3 lines?
lildjm06 2 years ago
only one round, int fair tbh, they chanted of nat which didnt give him his chance which is bull.
BreakinMotionJonny 2 years ago 2
lol supernatural: your getting skinny are you smoking crack
Craig G: Yeeeaaa
l4p3m8 2 years ago
ha ha maybe hes taking care of himself? no? well, thats cause your a dumb bitch, who makes stupid assumptions to start rumors because you dont like them. again, dumbbitch. you, dumb bitch, dumb bitch, you. clear enough for ya? Crystal.
GuruDank 2 years ago
riiight
l4p3m8 2 years ago
the beat is " for my homies" by ill and al scratch
gsharp7 2 years ago
for the person asking what beat that is its "for my homies" by ill and al scratch...remember them?
gsharp7 2 years ago
Towards the end of this video, Supernat was looking like a student who was watching the class instructor showing him how to MC.
He had a totally defeated look on his face.
suaved 2 years ago
Mc Supernatural never loss a battle. Of course this was a set up, BUT YOU STILL CAME OUT ON TOP.
DSkeptic86 2 years ago
it wasnt no set up, craig G simple out smarted him by saving his energy. the crowd decided craic G won when they started chanting. it was over. super nat obviously came amazing with it too though but craig G like i said, saved his energy.
BestVideosEver01 2 years ago 2
so ill, i wish i could see the whole thing.
BestVideosEver01 2 years ago
is this Supernatural's only loss?
genesis73 2 years ago
anybody that know what beat they used?
ohaab 3 years ago 3
not sure, to me sounds like, Boot Camp Click - Bucktown
cim4real 2 years ago
Thanks anyway. but im like 99.9 % sure that it ain't Bucktown.
ohaab 2 years ago
nah it aint bucktown, if u find out what it is please let me know.
BestVideosEver01 2 years ago
All fairness aside, that was classless. I wouldn't pay a dime for anything from Craig G.
ewonk 3 years ago
sore loser
djmmcee 3 years ago
Dude its a crime to not have the full battle! PLZ SOMEONE GIVE ME A LINK TO FULL BATTLE!
DaLilMobsta 3 years ago
bout the mike tyson thing.... tyson got put in a indiana pen..supernat from indiana..basically sayin wen ya go bak get him out the slammer coz supernat aint shit!!!!! personally i think if supernat had anova verse it wud of been close, craig g still gt my most respect doe!!
illlryical187 3 years ago 10
That's not really fair that Nat didn't even get a chance to rhyme again after Craig spit that "Mike Tyson" line which I didn't get by the way.Can anybody explain it?
KrfNYC2 3 years ago
Is there a video of the whole thing with higher quality?
KrfNYC2 3 years ago
is der a video without these faggots talkin shytt
navaser 3 years ago
seriously, why cant we have the full battle? if they have the footage, i need to see this full battle!!!
BestVideosEver01 3 years ago 3
why is it a big deal that u like people who are from your city more than the people who is an outsider! the crowd is disrespectful, i bet supernatural can still win it but, they dont give em a chance..
Expedicious 3 years ago
there's no "chance"... when you lose a battle, you lost. there's no comeback from it in a live environment. when the whole crowd has picked the winner, it's over.
herculeshernandez 2 years ago
true
MillzThaLyricGod 2 years ago
this needs more commentss
BananaFantastic 3 years ago
I was there. It was crazy. The best battle i have ever witnessed. To me it was a tie. Supernat and Graig are both great. I was haning out with Kool Herc and I met the Ultramagnetics at that show. Great memories.
rickskimusik 3 years ago