everyone who interested in actual military history, do research for yourself, most of these posting on you-tube are straight out wrong especially when it come to military. just like in life when someone constantly talking and trying to convince everyone how awesome they are, these people are usually insecure about something, think about it if you that great why do you need to always remind yourself and everyone around constantly. doesn't add up.
It's pretty stupid how people from the different forces say "f* the army, f* the marines, etc..." they say you're supposed to transition once in basic and know what it means to live this type of life but this video is a perfect example on how not to act as a soldier and medic...
to all: 1st; Marines were much smaller than the Army cause they are built on quality in other words if i gave a Marine pog and a Army pog a rifle the Marine pog would shoot better than the Army's. 2nd; they when to the Pacific because they were a much better invading force thats why the theres the term 'island hopin'. 3rd; Marines fought through guadacanal, to solomans, to iwo jima, and to okinawa without any help from any other country, Army had help throught Europe from several countries
@ChanseDillavou You wanna know my perspective ? Marines = Quality & Army = Quantity. why do you think marines dont really have a major special operations group... ? because they are elite warriors. like what the guy said army is well-equiped but the marines are well-trained
@cf19d completly dug a system of quick reaction tunnels. Also your little arguement of Army being in Pacific is true but maybe you should read some history books about all the work the Army put into the Pacific haha they shouldnt have even been there. ALSO you do know how much bigger the Army is then Marines right?? lets see back then Army was still probabally at a million strong and today theres about 200,000-250,000 Marines so back then probaballly 150,000-200,000 Marines. big difference huh
@cf19d shit Europe was a cake walk, Marines already made their statement in Europe WW1. so lets see which is tougher (not including D-Day) fighting across friendly countries, moving from town to town, sleeping in houses, and going in to town after heavy bombing OR storming beaches after every battle, fighting millions of enemy troops with very minimal support, fighting troops that will never surrender and will rush you till they are all dead, fighting in harsh terrain that the enemy has
@ImDrunkandYourDumb fucking horse shit the wermacht were as strong as us back in that time infact frobably even stronger and guess who was there fighting them THE motherfuckin U.S Army kicked there fucking asses and the Pacific well.... not meaning to talk shit but the marines were shipped to the pacific because they arent even close to as big as the army so they neede a core Jus a core to be in the pacific and oh yeah not to mention the U.S army went into the pacific late
@ofp555 the Army did not show up late. there were more soldier fighting and dying in the Pacific than Marine, look it up. over 22 Army Div. to 6 Marine. div. it just Marine camera man and PR Dep. outnumber Army by probably 10x and the only battle Marine fought alone is Iwo Jima, that why it the most famous battle as compare to other battle in the Pacific.
1staircavalry and, and, and, and. shit at least in the Marines we are intelligent enough to know some fucking grammar. Also your little saying of "Marines fight battles, Army fights wars." is entirely incorrect, name one war that the Marines werent in for the same amount of time? oh cant do it can you haha
@ImDrunkandYourDumb How about this fact? Not a single marine unit was involved in any battle in the European theater during World War 2, yet the US Army served in BOTH theaters Europe and Pacific.
@IronLion27 Are you really that dense? The US Army fought in both theaters and they were both diffucult, one last thing them men that took part in WW2 no matter what service they were in Where a lot tougher then any of us OIF or OEF vets.
@spencey820 what the fuck are you talking about? Maybe some Marines go to the Spec Ops training but NONE ever switch to the Army. especially now that we have our own Spec Ops. so quit making shit up to try and stick up for the Army, they can handle themselves kid.
Wow another worthless video with stupied ass people trying to act cool!!! Im not sure if you guys just have tiny dicks and are trying to make up for that or what? I dont care what branch your in you should be a quiet professional!!!
This nigga should shut the fuck up when he doesn't know half of what the fuck he is talking about. I would love to see him go say that to the guys in the Army's face.
These are some pretty good rants brah XD How about we say that they are not meant to be compared? Sound reasonable if you ask me, after all Marines were more so meant to be ready at any time by mainly being stationed on ships, they were meant to be a small light infantry force, while Army was and still is of course your do-it-all branch, they have everything, because they did and do mostly everything. I'm probably one of the few people that realizes these two branches can't be compared.
@Marine1775Corps I'm an Army 1SG with 5 deployments, Two of those in Afghanistan and 3 in Iraq as a 19D. I'm a Cavalry Scout and I've had the pleasure of working with the Marines at some point during 4 of those deployments and they were true professionals. I've also worked with some great Sailors and Airmen as well and I know that everyone does their part. The rivalries are fun but most of us know that we're a team and that's our advantage. This We'll Defend.
@TheMotomofo thank god there r people like you. I hate people who argue both branches r fighting to defend this country. They both have different responsibilities and they both do a great job at them because if they didn't we wouldn't be America our asses would belong to another country. They have to understand that it takes more than one branch to win a war. God Bless You and thank you for your service
@TheMotomofo you aint bsing bro. ive had 2 deployments to iraq. as a 12b 235th Sappers. had the pleasure of working with the Marines (26th MEU), and had the GREATEST HONOR of running a couple missions with the 5th team SF (where i met my middle eastern wife, she was their Linguist) POGs and COD nerds dont know shit about the Army and marines combat arms MOS's and how they sometimes work together. these kids look like they have never seen a even a small firefight. specially the big mouthed black.
Fuck the army? Fuck you, you goddamn nigger. Your lucky we let you fucking darkies in our military. With out the military all you would have is selling drugs or burger king. If your lucky maybe kfc or popeyes. Besides blacks this is the problem I have with all marines. They all are a bunch of cocks that think they're so much better than everyone else. I have yet to meet a marine that can prove other wise with a little humility. And we are better equipped because we are smart enough to use it.
I've yet to meet a Marine who isn't a gentleman by nature. These are fielded men in this video taking some time to dick around IN A COMBAT SITUATION. In truth the Army and the Marines are brothers before anything else, rivalry comes second.
You seem a tad ignorant of these things, perhaps you should talk to a recruiter or two from both, or ask some questions when you're hanging out in the mall commenting on videos on your iPhone while eating orange chicken.
@iamcrimsonspecter2 Well first of all, I have an android. Not an iphone. Secondly I like general tso chicken. As for being a "combat situation". Where are their kevlars, flak vests, etc. Walking around in coveralls is very combat effective where your from I guess. And if all the marines you've met are gentleman then you must be the biggest cock of them all. I also notice how you said nothing about my racism. I understand. wink wink.
I don't need to reply to your racism, I think you're fake for one. Favourite thing while I was in the US Army, (picked Army due to the fact you can leave with training outside of shooting shitheads) was the variety of people in leadership roles, regardless of skin color, that made it all happen.
@iamcrimsonspecter2 Well I feel sorry for you that out of all the things the army has to offer, your favorite thing was your leadership. Shooting weapons, driving cool equipment, barracks parties. Nothing. You pick your leadership. And if fake means serving three years in the army and one year over seas then yeah I'm fake. TROLL........really, your serious. troll is what you come up with. wow. and your welcome for the waste of time. after all, isn't that the point of youtube. wasting time.
@The1337user720 FALSE. Ages 17-29 are allowed to sign a SEAL Challenge Contract and go to BUD/S. Shane Patton was killed in Operation Redwing at age 23 in 2005. Many Team Master Chiefs are in their 40s. Stop giving people misinformation.
USMC for the win . but i have to admit army SF like Green Beret or delta force would win but thats just because the army has a bigger budget if the marines were more rich then they would be able to make the best special forces in the world
@mrchestypuller1775 wtf is a commandant? You mean commander? Lol stfu. I am wasting my time on you but ill let you make yourself sound even more retarded in your next comment. Those marine's commander wouldn't have done shit because he'd be in trouble. My commander had to give me an article 15 because he has to follow the ucmj's regs. You know nothing. Just stfu and go pretend your a war veteran somewhere else like call of duty.
@fatassgreasypussy OK you cock wagon I tried being nice but I guess that isn't getting through your thick fucking skull the FUCKING COMMANDANT IS THE SENIOR OFFICER IN THE MOTHER FUCKING UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS YOU FUCKING IGNORANT FUCK! There have been 35 of them since 1775 starting with Captain Samuel Nicholas and the newest is General James F Amos. My guess is you never served in any branch of the military other than PlayStation and you really just don't understand the concept of Google.
@MrWowyouaredumb can you read, you piece of rhinosaurus shit? I said the other guy i was talking to before you was talking about the COMPANY COMMANDER. not the fucking COMMANDANT. The company COMMANDER of the two marines that i beat up during AIT had no say on my punishment, but my COMMANDER did.
Can you see correctly? did your gay boyfriend accidently poke you in the eye with his cock? stfu before i send a whole wagon of cocks up your ass.
@MrWowyouaredumb he was talking about the commander of their Company which would be a Captain which is a "commander" not a fucking General "commandant". so go slap yourself. HAHAHA
So, and what about weapons of mass destruction guys ?
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And oil ? Do you know what ? When USA Cie make a business plans, they put US Marine and bomb Cost in the budget ... They don't know how to make business without bombing ...
@MrChestypuller1775 are you a fucking dipshit? Ive beat up 2 mouthy marines during AIT and accidently punched the MP that was trying to break us up. Marines and army are equal... you have shitbags in both branches.
@fatassgreasypussy no your the fucking dipshit.. And your a weak ass bitch who didnt punch nobody because your ass would have been thrown out the corps or at the most thrown off base your fag now stop lying..
@MrChestypuller1775 idiot... you said i wouldve been thrown out of the corps.. I WAS ARMY 11b, you retard. I knocked out one marine and was putting a whuppin on his friend for talkin shit and spun around and accidently punched an Army MP that was patrolling the base. I have the field grade Article 15 from UCMJ to prove it bitch. i was a specialist demoted all the way back to PVT. so slap yourself.
@fatassgreasypussy you're the retard because i was saying that IF YOU was a Marine which we all know would never happen because your a fat lazy fuck. and you take pride in being demoted wow.. no wonder your in the army because you would have your ass handed to you by the commadant of the marine corps you faggot
the black dude, is a asshole,, he proab dont even do anything fucking pvt or lcpl, talkin about f the army .. i bet if you get in a fire fight and the army help you u would say that,,, faggot,,,, and i can talk because i was in the marines at mals 26 and now im in the army,,,
@CAKIMacedonian If that country is opressed by a dictator that kills/harms his own people, and those people ask for help, if that country is clearly a threat to others (as in harboring terrorists, endorse drug/weapons/people smuggling and other international threats) then, not only is the USA/Western Coalition/ISAF freeing people, they're also protecting their homeland.
@krazykalash Freeing people by who???by themselves???If Iraq was a threat according you than i can say that usa is the biggest EVIL on this world!Iraq has no NUCLEAR boms,but USA,that is threat to the world!!The drugs still coming from afghanistan,it means that the old owners -talibans have been replaced with new one-usa!t Why usa not try to free the people of Tibet???Of Taiwan?Iran?Syria?
only brainwashed people could believe in your words,''freedom fighters"!
@CAKIMacedonian They freed Iraq from Saddam (gassed his own people, trained airborne divisions against villages, owned SCUDS and chemical weapons). The US trained locals which clearly shows they wanted to be free from saddam. They freed Afghanistan from the taliban (they cut off farmers hands, directed international terrorism etc..). The drug problem is being solved slowly (DEA FAST), nothing is instant in war, it takes time. The US isnt ruling these countries, a free elected government is.
@CAKIMacedonian By not responding to all the other arguments I showed you I figure I got you on those. Now on to the nuclear arsenal, yes the US has nuclear weapons but so does France, China, UK, and Russia. These weapons are under strict regulations, can't be used whenever they feel like and are probably under constant inspection. Saddam used SCUDS against Kuwait and Chemicals against their own, the US used 2 nukes once to stop a World War from claiming more allied lives.
@CAKIMacedonian You're not responding to my points, nice... They used them twice and even then the japs kept going for a while, if they had used one they would probably just brush it off and redirect resourcees. They aren't actually getting any oil out of the war, they don't even get discount prices lol No one in Iraq is getting oil on the side, not the US, not all of the other countries that have military bases there. The invasion/occupation was supervised by international authorities genius...
@krazykalash Wrong wrong....the iraqi oil land is now owned by the british and usa petroleum companies!
Let's see one thing than- China,has scuds,has nuclear weapons,....and worst weapons than Iraq,has Tibet under their occupation,and Dalaj Lama,who is calling USA to free Tibetion people from China!
So my question is,why they are not attacking China???There is also,one ruler,as Sadam..and so many same and worst things than in Iraq???Why not China?
@CAKIMacedonian If they controled oil wouldn't it be cheaper? Wouldnt they try to actually get some advantage from that? That's a classic dumb Iraq war argument. Do you think that invading chine would actually get the US anywhere? They are already spread thin, they are dealing with alot of countries, training alot of foreign troops/police etc. Invading China right now is just impossible, it would crash the worlds economics, many lives would be lost etc. it's just a dumb extremist argument too
@krazykalash Actually you realized the opposite...the price of oil was cheaper,before they arrived in iraq, and now is more expensive because it is under usa control!So,why they fight???To control the oil price!Simple!
Yes,invading China is imposible,that is why they invaded-invading iraq,because it is possible!
Because iraq has oil,and it's not strong as china!very simple!
@CAKIMacedonian Corporate America didnt invade Iraq, the US Govt. did, and Im pretty sure the government would want the oil to be cheaper to it's citizens, the price is HIGH as hell in the US too. China is impossible to invade (for now, atleast with direct action), a mass invasion would be a nightmare. Iraq had a killer dictator that killed it's own people, the people asked for help (the poor getting killed did) and the Coalition (not the US) planned an invasion and killed the dictator, problem?
@krazykalash LOL man you understand this thing from opposite side-USA doesnt care about any citizens,they just care to keep the price of the oil high,so they can be the richest state in the world!
About China...you want to say that their president is better than Saddam???Wasn't Tibetian people especially Dalay Lama,asked USA for help???Same situation as it was in iraq!
But,this is china right,don't mess with someone what is strong!
@CAKIMacedonian So they want to screw their own citizens? That's great... Oh and don't forget Iraq is not the only country in the world with oil. By the way, I just googled "Iraqi Oil Companies", turns out no one is getting oil but them, don't you understand that the oil is and always has been Iraq's property? Ofcourse the chinese president isn't better than Saddam, but invading china would be dumb and wreckless, lives would be lost and economies hurt, I've said that before...
@krazykalash They screwed their own citizens in viethnam,why not now...politicians always screwed their citizens!About the oil-the companies what digging that oil are iraqi,but those who are taking that oil and transporting through the world are usa,uk...!They have contractions on who they can only export their oil!
The same was happen in Lybia.After the war,the french,usa and uk,petroleum companies got the advantage to export Lybian's oil!Very simple!
@CAKIMacedonian Where are you getting that information from? that's not happening at all, the Iraqi oil companies deal with the transportation and exportation... In vietnam the hippies with all those peace movements actually lost the war for the US and South Vietnam, the US didn't lose the fighting, they lost in terms of politics because photos of South Viet officers executing vietcong and other shock media... They could have easily held NV at the border, the war was balanced.
@CAKIMacedonian Yeah, oil companies from all around the world that buy stocks off the Iraqi oil companies in order to get their share, there is no "stealing", or "taking over" involved. They already did this before the war... Died for nothing? They were fighting for the south vietnamese, for their freedom. They were fighting to prevent a communist take over that could also endanger their homeland (besides dooming all of south vietnam)
@CAKIMacedonian Because they don't have money, you need money to get shares lol The North Vietnamese started the war, the were like "We are communists now, any one who isn't needs to die" and then attacked South Vietnam, they weren't fighting for freedom, they were fighting for politics and power.
@CAKIMacedonian Actually...there are fewer energy companies in Iraq now than before. Take a look. 90% of the companies there are original companies or Kuwaiti/Saudi owned companies. There are very few western companies there. Very few.
The North Vietnamese were defending themselves in South Vietnam? That's like saying the North Koreans were defending themselves in South Korea or the Iraqis were defending themselves in Kuwait. Get a clue. Quit making assumptions.
@CAKIMacedonian stocks.investopedia(.)com/stock-analysis/2010/Oil-Companies-Making-Moves-In-Iraq--XOM-BP-RDS-E-OXY0118.aspx#axzz1cMvRwHdx Check this out, this will answer your oil related questions. The US didn't occupy North Vietnam (although they did have some SF and CIA units behind enemy lines, the US were simply protecting the South Vietnam from communist occupation. The "freedom-fighting" propaganda is related to the vietcong in S Vietnam, the northe vietnamese told them to rise up.
@krazykalash Commusts in vithnam said the same-they have been protected their land from usa and their slaves,inside viethnam!
I think that i gave you nice example with china,that the war in iraq was not for freedom.
Here is another example:Syrian government killing their citizens,every day,and there is the same situation as in Lybia,and Iraq,but as we can see nato,doesn't want to attack them!?
@CAKIMacedonian China is the same as Syria, NATO doesn't have the means to strike those countries, they are kind of busy in case you haven't noticed. There are countless examples of dictatorships that need to be taken down, but there aren't enough resources for that. The North Vietnamese never said anything about defending their territory, they just talked about eliminating anti-communists and taking over South Vietnam.
@CAKIMacedonian Aren't you reading my comments? The fight for human rights isn't reduced, pacifist hippies say that... ISAF is in Afghanistan cutting off drug suplies, keeping the Taliban of the power and eliminating terror cells, the US (and others) are in Iraq rebuilding the country after taking down a dictator, NATO is rebuilding Lybia (after helping the people) etc. South Vietnam never even made a move on the North, now go and google Tet Offensive to see what the North Vietnam did...
@krazykalash Well man,now i am going to prove you that you are wrong,with your own words!You said that usa is in Afghanistan to keep out of power Thalibans(now u will see how easy you have been brainwashed).
When Russia was in Afghanistan and fought against thalibans,usa supports them(the thalibans)and called them freedom and jihad fighters!Now,they are their enemies...how???From their big friends,they became their worst enemies,why?WHY USA supports them against Russia...it same situation as now
@CAKIMacedonian Not the same at all ahaha The US did support some tribes to rise up against the Russians, but they didn't support most of the terrorist groups that took over after that. They didn't arm EVERY SINGLE taliban in afghanistan, they trained local militias, armed some tribes and helped some locals, they didn't arm the Taliban. Some taliban were freedom fighters back then, then they started selling weapons, supporting terrorism worldwide, starting terror camps etc... They changed...
@CAKIMacedonian Yes, I'm informed, I have debated this topic many times in way more serious arguments, my facts are good.
Bin Laden wasn't directly trained by the CIA, other mujahedin and militia were, not him nor his affiliates;
Bin Laden attacked the russians but I don't see how that is relevant here;
Taliban did fund the opium trade, and they still do but the US are doing something about it, just search DEA FAST team, it's a special anti-drug team that focuses on eliminating the opium trade.
@krazykalash Well,if you are informed than you well know that USA called people to fight against RUSSIAN INVASION....to fight for their freedom,they trained them for freedom fight right!
After that they fought against the same people who have been trained from them...no sense,don't you think!
If now afghanistan is controlled by usa,it comes that they are those who are selling drugs now!
Hmmm,,,,afghanistan to control the drugs,iraq for oil!?very simple!
@CAKIMacedonian Pay attention to replies, they don't control the oil and they FIGHT the drugs, if you want proof just look at my replies, I won't repeat myself. They trained SOME afghanis against the russians, to prevent a communist take over, then terrorists/criminals took over afghanistan instead of the free afghani people. Afghanistan has it's own government. The ISAF (many countries including my own) are there but have now decision making power, they train the ANA and fight terrorists/drugs.
@CAKIMacedonian What? You are the one not being able to counter my arguments, I've responded to everything you said and defended my opinion perfectely. You just presented fake propaganda arguments that aren't really true. Now let's set this straight, I'm a Portuguese guy so I guess I'm pretty neutral on that, I respect every single military force in the world and its individual members. So unless you can counter my arguments I think I just won this one.
@CAKIMacedonian I can actually link you to most (if not every) argument that I presented you. I actually gave you a link regarding the oil companies and the "NATO Taking over" myth. You just said that Bin Ladden was trained by the CIA and that the US armed the taliban, those are well known propaganda myths. Every single argument I gave can be supported, unlike yours, face it, you're the one that got brainwashed...
@krazykalash Again,all those companies who are in iraq,have been included into that war,or they have been supporting it ....those companies from quatar,dubai,s.arabia,(to not mention those from usa,uk,china,rusia)
are members of the world oil organisation,which is under usa control!
TELL ME,HOW MANY USA(or the rest what i mention above) OIL COMPANIES WORKED IN IRAQ BEFORE THE INVASION????AND HOW MANY THEY ARE NOW???
@CAKIMacedonian This is a quote from the link I sent you in the comments:
" The Iraqi Oil Ministry has awarded licenses to a broad range of international companies, many of which are based in nations that opposed the war and refused to participate. Only two U.S.-based oil companies have been awarded contracts to develop Iraqi oil fields." The Iraqi Oil Ministry allowed these companies to move if they payed, only two are american, the rest are Russian, Italian, Dutch and Angolan... Problem?
@CAKIMacedonian I must've misunderstood then. Why is the number of Companies relevant here? They seized and payed for an opportunity after the war, what's the problem? Must of the countries that bought a share of the oil companies in Iraq weren't even participating and were never there.
@CAKIMacedonian Ofcourse there were, oil fields were seized, the Iraqis had a limited oil infrastructure built. The minorities are way better now, Saddam used to test chemical weapons and masscre them for training porpuses, the middle class is finally getting established (jobs are still quite rare though, but that was even worse), and the rich people (the ones that weren't affiliated with Saddam) are still good. By killing Saddam they prevented further deaths and international threats.
@krazykalash NOT EVEN ONE BEFORE THE WAR!!!If we compare how many iraqi people suffered under Saddam/s regime,and under usa occupation,we will see,that people of iraq more suffered under usa occupation!Exmaple-Abu Graib,Baghdad prison,where the people have been tortured on the way as the world has neevr seen before,of course,by USA marines!
Let's compare how many deaths-killing happened before Saddam and after-now each day more that 100 civilians are death!
@krazykalash Unemployment ,before the war and after the war,the safety of the people before and after the war,killing before and after the war???Compare all these things and you ll realize that the life in iraq is much worst than into the Saddam's time!!And when you mention their minorities,i will just mention that Kurds in Iraq,those aginst who,Saddam used his chemical weapons are still not recognized,and even they are under millitary attacks every day!
@CAKIMacedonian The kurds, the ba'athist party, the assyrians were all treated like animals and targets, everyone that talked shit about Saddam was terminated. The Kurds are now safe, they were probably targeted by insurgency in the end of the invasion, not any more. The ba'athist actually helped in the fight against saddam. The streets aren't as safe, but that's during this transition, once the police is trained and in full capacity that will change. The rest is actually getting better
@krazykalash LOL man,Kurds in Iraq have been attacked by the turkish army,with permission of the iraqi-usa government!Last week that was happen!Is it now better or not,we can see from the people's quality of living,and iraq,together with afghanistan are on the last places!
Killings,raping,bombs,prostitution,weapons trade,drugs,smaller salaries,smaller number of employment people,religion killings(shia0sunits)...all these things haven't exist or have been just marginal into the Saddam's time!
@CAKIMacedonian The Turks attacked because kurd militants killed 24 Turkish soldiers. The quality of life is affected by war, but it's just a phase (france in WWII). Death is mostly caused by insurgency, they are killing their own, never heard about any rapings/prostitution rise, weapons/drugs trade is decreasing thanks to the Coalition Forces (ex. DEA FAST Team). The Shia vs Sunni did rise during the war in Iraq, but that was just them taking advantage of the war, they couldve stayed in peace.
@CAKIMacedonian I'm pretty sure the top "thing" should be safety, you can have a strong economy but if everybody is killing each other then your country is shit. Human rights are equally important and then the rest follows. The ones that are fucking everything up are the suicide bombers and insurgents, they blow up Iraqi markets and kill Iraqi innocent people, for every soldier/police officer killed, some 25+ civillians get killed too. Its a transition phase and it's already getting better.
@CAKIMacedonian Say that to the french after the WWII, they also had no jobs, no money etc.. Look at them now, look at every occupied and liberated country, there's a difficult phase. You cant have a valid reason to kill innocents, they can target soldiers and police officers, but using child bombs? Targeting market places? targeting schools? If you want to expel occupiers gather a majority and fight or something, if the majority of people wanted that there wouldn't be an ANA for example
@CAKIMacedonian First you complain about the illegal occupation and then you want it everywhere? Calm down... They're probably getting to it, I bet they have SAD or Deltas or whatever in half those countries already waiting for shit to go down. They helped ALOT with Lybia and are already stretching their resources, acting in those countries would require something like ISAF or some other big coalition, the US doesn't act alone.
How can you complain about them having MRAPs when your clearly sitting in the back of an M1126? When I was in Iraq I was lucky to get the armor on our humvee that we did.
I wont generalize that that I hate all Marines but these are the type of Marines I hate. But I guess they need some worthless fools to send out into shitty places. And the less intellectual the better. The rest they'll try to protect.
@usindependent50 Dude that is not an 1126. That is an AAV from the 70's. The army had MRAPs when we were still rockin the L shaped doors on our trucks.
My bad, i didn't spend alot of time in armored vehicles in my time in Iraq. We were stuck in under armored humvees. These kids should be thankful. I'd trade with them anyday.
@AnimeGod1995 Marines fight the battles. Army fights the war.
Marines job is to invade a particular territory and secure it until the Army gets there and holds a strong foot in the area, then the Marines move on and the process continues.
Basically, Marines are almost always the first ones in the line of combat, and first ones to be deployed to battle. Ever watched "The Pacific"? Those were Marines.
@gamer1541 Well that is the purpose of the corp. But in this day and age, roles have been altered. 3rd ID foirst in Baghdad right? SF crippled the Taliban before the invasion right? But you have forgotten about the 82nd and how the are deployable within 72hrs. or the 173rd in Italy. it really just depends nowadays......
@bklacc1 Dude that's right. Don't forget, 173rd part of northern front in Iraq with Army SFs and Permeshga forces. 82nd was part of 5th Corps going into Baghdad with 101st and 3rd ID at it's tip. 1st AD was in Kuwait ready to go in as well.
@bklacc1 3rd divison first to baghdad marines captured it. Sf didnt cripple taliban the first year of the invasion did starting with marines. Marines can deploy anywhere in the world in 90 min
@gamer1541 No theyre not... they are not the first to fight. It was a motto used once long ago. SF, Rangers and SEALS are usually the first ones in before any conventional infantry units (though the Rangers are conventional). In fact, the Army was the first to Iraq, the Marines had Afghan. Rangers can deploy to any part of the world within 11hours notice.
@24Rorschach Spec ops units are pretty much everywhere, all the time. Trying to count them as "first" kinda ruins the point of the argument, since every branch has a spec op component and god only knows where they are or what they're up to at any given time. Which one gets picked for what missions depends on that particular group's specialized training - that's why they're called special forces. When it comes to large scale operations (like war) the "first to fight" motto comes from (text limit)
@24Rorschach - the Marine Corps' mission. The Corps is the only branch that has it's own internal land, air, and amphibious capabilities all rolled into a single force. The president can deploy the Marines - and only the Marines - anywhere in the world on nothing but his own decision, no congressional approval, no nothing. He can keep us deployed and fighting for up to 6 months. And so that's exactly what we're trained and equipped to do - deploy anywhere on earth in 24 hours or (text limit)
@KausticX What can you tell me about the navy airforce? my cousin is a marine too but he knows sht, im thinking on going for navy airforce or just go for marines too.
@BowSsaint That's actually a little vague. Did you mean navy and/or airforce? Or are you referring to the navy's pilots, who fly helos and whatnot? And what specifically do you want to know about them? I'm a Marine, of course, but I know a little bit about the other branches, mainly because of how long I've been in, and also a little because I work in military intelligence so it's part of my job to understand our own capabilities as well as the enemy's.
@BowSsaint A navy recruiter could probably tell you more about that. To my knowledge, most fighter jets are the Air Force's domain. The other branches primarily fly helos, though there are limited fighter jet roles in the Navy and Marine Corps. As to the specifics of their jobs and what they do, I don't have any more information than you could find on google. Like I said, talk to a recruiter. They can tell you more, and point you to some good resources with more details.
@KausticX Actually the U.S. navy operates more fighter aircraft than the Air Force. Keep in mind that they also support the Marine fighter wings as well.
@24Rorschach - less, and wage full scale war on all fronts against anyone, anywhere, anytime, with absolutely no support from any other branch of the U.S. military (save the naval ships that transports us there). That's why the Marines have MEU's constantly floating around all over the globe. That's the response force. Anything goes down ANYWHERE, and the president can put a full war fighting force - not a small spec ops insertion, but a full blown WAR - on their doorstep in less than a day.
@24Rorschach lol yea sf r first ones in in uncoventinal warfare which means before we declare war. The marines r first in conventinal warfare when the war actually starts see the differnce and marines can deploy anywhere in 90 minutes. The marines did have afhganistan but the army only beat marines into baghdad by 3 ft since we were right behind them with or amtracts and m1 arbrams
@iDropShot856 Dude, Army 10th MTN was already in Northern Afghanistan before a MEU arrived in southern Afghanistan in 2001. The Northern Alliance did most of fighting with Army SFs and CIA as backup.
@AnimeGod1995 The president has the authority to deploy the Marine Corps - and no one else - without congressional approval for up to 6 months. Hence we are the only branch equipped with our own land, air, and amphibious capability - our mission is to be ready to bring war to the doorstep of any country on earth, in just 24 hours notice, and fight them for up to 6 months all by ourselves with no support from any other branch. That's also why we're meaner, tougher, crazier, deadlier, etc etc.
@tooicyent1 You obviously dont know what the marines go through, to see them talk like this is normal if you were in a hot desert for 365 days wouldnt you just want to talk shit all the time? Little lone being shot at. You will never in your life time come close to being more bad ass than the marines!
@Latestfox Go ask former JSOC Commander four star Gen Hugh Shelton about how bad ass the Marines are. Especially their past "Special Operations Capable" units. He'll let you know.
Have you not noticed that the army gives you shit to get info about the army, how does that not spend tax money?? Marine Corps don't do that shit, if you want to be a marine then you earn it. They don't give you shit, unlike the army.
@sanderson420a the USMC dosent spend money??? LMAO....here google this././.USMC Influnece in hollywood and media outlet on google and see what u get...look at the 2nd DOD report article
everyone who interested in actual military history, do research for yourself, most of these posting on you-tube are straight out wrong especially when it come to military. just like in life when someone constantly talking and trying to convince everyone how awesome they are, these people are usually insecure about something, think about it if you that great why do you need to always remind yourself and everyone around constantly. doesn't add up.
d8654474 1 day ago
It's pretty stupid how people from the different forces say "f* the army, f* the marines, etc..." they say you're supposed to transition once in basic and know what it means to live this type of life but this video is a perfect example on how not to act as a soldier and medic...
michael07bleu 1 day ago
...'Marines fight battles not wars'
delro20 1 day ago
to all: 1st; Marines were much smaller than the Army cause they are built on quality in other words if i gave a Marine pog and a Army pog a rifle the Marine pog would shoot better than the Army's. 2nd; they when to the Pacific because they were a much better invading force thats why the theres the term 'island hopin'. 3rd; Marines fought through guadacanal, to solomans, to iwo jima, and to okinawa without any help from any other country, Army had help throught Europe from several countries
delro20 1 day ago
@delro20 You're a fucking biased moron. Get some perspective.
ChanseDillavou 1 day ago
@ChanseDillavou You wanna know my perspective ? Marines = Quality & Army = Quantity. why do you think marines dont really have a major special operations group... ? because they are elite warriors. like what the guy said army is well-equiped but the marines are well-trained
delro20 1 day ago
@delro20 Marines do have a SPECIAL Ops unit, MARSOC. and they got kicked out of Aghanistan on their first deployment due to their fuckups.
SerpentGreen249 5 hours ago
@delro20 Marines are smaller becuz Congress only authorized them to do so. President Harry Truman had it right. Marines are the Navy's police force.
SerpentGreen249 5 hours ago
The people arguing below me are tools.....
crusigala 5 days ago
@cf19d completly dug a system of quick reaction tunnels. Also your little arguement of Army being in Pacific is true but maybe you should read some history books about all the work the Army put into the Pacific haha they shouldnt have even been there. ALSO you do know how much bigger the Army is then Marines right?? lets see back then Army was still probabally at a million strong and today theres about 200,000-250,000 Marines so back then probaballly 150,000-200,000 Marines. big difference huh
ImDrunkandYourDumb 5 days ago
@cf19d shit Europe was a cake walk, Marines already made their statement in Europe WW1. so lets see which is tougher (not including D-Day) fighting across friendly countries, moving from town to town, sleeping in houses, and going in to town after heavy bombing OR storming beaches after every battle, fighting millions of enemy troops with very minimal support, fighting troops that will never surrender and will rush you till they are all dead, fighting in harsh terrain that the enemy has
ImDrunkandYourDumb 5 days ago
@ImDrunkandYourDumb fucking horse shit the wermacht were as strong as us back in that time infact frobably even stronger and guess who was there fighting them THE motherfuckin U.S Army kicked there fucking asses and the Pacific well.... not meaning to talk shit but the marines were shipped to the pacific because they arent even close to as big as the army so they neede a core Jus a core to be in the pacific and oh yeah not to mention the U.S army went into the pacific late
ofp555 3 days ago in playlist Fallujah take city
@ofp555 the Army did not show up late. there were more soldier fighting and dying in the Pacific than Marine, look it up. over 22 Army Div. to 6 Marine. div. it just Marine camera man and PR Dep. outnumber Army by probably 10x and the only battle Marine fought alone is Iwo Jima, that why it the most famous battle as compare to other battle in the Pacific.
d8654474 1 day ago
@ofp555 well the marines only had 6 divisions in 1944 the army had 31 divisions
Michael25618 1 day ago
1staircavalry and, and, and, and. shit at least in the Marines we are intelligent enough to know some fucking grammar. Also your little saying of "Marines fight battles, Army fights wars." is entirely incorrect, name one war that the Marines werent in for the same amount of time? oh cant do it can you haha
ImDrunkandYourDumb 1 week ago
@ImDrunkandYourDumb How about this fact? Not a single marine unit was involved in any battle in the European theater during World War 2, yet the US Army served in BOTH theaters Europe and Pacific.
cf19d 1 week ago
@cf19d Maybe because the Marines were sent to fight in the Pacific front, which was arguably the more difficult theater during WWII
IronLion27 1 week ago
@IronLion27 Are you really that dense? The US Army fought in both theaters and they were both diffucult, one last thing them men that took part in WW2 no matter what service they were in Where a lot tougher then any of us OIF or OEF vets.
cf19d 1 week ago
@spencey820 what the fuck are you talking about? Maybe some Marines go to the Spec Ops training but NONE ever switch to the Army. especially now that we have our own Spec Ops. so quit making shit up to try and stick up for the Army, they can handle themselves kid.
ImDrunkandYourDumb 1 week ago
Wow another worthless video with stupied ass people trying to act cool!!! Im not sure if you guys just have tiny dicks and are trying to make up for that or what? I dont care what branch your in you should be a quiet professional!!!
yeah1234ilikeit 1 week ago
HOOAH!!! ARMY, Marines fight battles and ARMY fight wars. And a Army Gen. be over a war; and its the biggest branch of the military. HOOAH!!!
1staircavalry 1 week ago
This nigga should shut the fuck up when he doesn't know half of what the fuck he is talking about. I would love to see him go say that to the guys in the Army's face.
donbosco0101 1 week ago
DAMN RIGHT FUCK INTEL, wait they are better....
RoxxPC 2 weeks ago
All i have to say is i respect both branches if the military if the marines are great why are they so jelous of the army(That marine)
iceflame520 2 weeks ago
If the marines are so great how come most end up coming to the army after their 4 years or either getting out?? hmm
spencey820 2 weeks ago
@spencey820 it's a mystery..lol
k3v015Mk 2 weeks ago
me and my buds always have a staredown with the marines in ait even though they would kick our asses
SSJ2Starscream 4 weeks ago
These are some pretty good rants brah XD How about we say that they are not meant to be compared? Sound reasonable if you ask me, after all Marines were more so meant to be ready at any time by mainly being stationed on ships, they were meant to be a small light infantry force, while Army was and still is of course your do-it-all branch, they have everything, because they did and do mostly everything. I'm probably one of the few people that realizes these two branches can't be compared.
Marine1775Corps 1 month ago 2
@Marine1775Corps I'm an Army 1SG with 5 deployments, Two of those in Afghanistan and 3 in Iraq as a 19D. I'm a Cavalry Scout and I've had the pleasure of working with the Marines at some point during 4 of those deployments and they were true professionals. I've also worked with some great Sailors and Airmen as well and I know that everyone does their part. The rivalries are fun but most of us know that we're a team and that's our advantage. This We'll Defend.
TheMotomofo 1 month ago
@TheMotomofo thank god there r people like you. I hate people who argue both branches r fighting to defend this country. They both have different responsibilities and they both do a great job at them because if they didn't we wouldn't be America our asses would belong to another country. They have to understand that it takes more than one branch to win a war. God Bless You and thank you for your service
iDropShot856 3 weeks ago
@TheMotomofo you aint bsing bro. ive had 2 deployments to iraq. as a 12b 235th Sappers. had the pleasure of working with the Marines (26th MEU), and had the GREATEST HONOR of running a couple missions with the 5th team SF (where i met my middle eastern wife, she was their Linguist) POGs and COD nerds dont know shit about the Army and marines combat arms MOS's and how they sometimes work together. these kids look like they have never seen a even a small firefight. specially the big mouthed black.
fatassgreasypussy 3 weeks ago 3
@Marine1775Corps
I read you brotha
Torres71711 2 weeks ago
Fuck the army? Fuck you, you goddamn nigger. Your lucky we let you fucking darkies in our military. With out the military all you would have is selling drugs or burger king. If your lucky maybe kfc or popeyes. Besides blacks this is the problem I have with all marines. They all are a bunch of cocks that think they're so much better than everyone else. I have yet to meet a marine that can prove other wise with a little humility. And we are better equipped because we are smart enough to use it.
alrise4thejudge 1 month ago
@alrise4thejudge
I've yet to meet a Marine who isn't a gentleman by nature. These are fielded men in this video taking some time to dick around IN A COMBAT SITUATION. In truth the Army and the Marines are brothers before anything else, rivalry comes second.
You seem a tad ignorant of these things, perhaps you should talk to a recruiter or two from both, or ask some questions when you're hanging out in the mall commenting on videos on your iPhone while eating orange chicken.
iamcrimsonspecter2 1 month ago
@iamcrimsonspecter2 Well first of all, I have an android. Not an iphone. Secondly I like general tso chicken. As for being a "combat situation". Where are their kevlars, flak vests, etc. Walking around in coveralls is very combat effective where your from I guess. And if all the marines you've met are gentleman then you must be the biggest cock of them all. I also notice how you said nothing about my racism. I understand. wink wink.
alrise4thejudge 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
I don't need to reply to your racism, I think you're fake for one. Favourite thing while I was in the US Army, (picked Army due to the fact you can leave with training outside of shooting shitheads) was the variety of people in leadership roles, regardless of skin color, that made it all happen.
You're just a troll and a fake.
Thank you for the waste of time :D
iamcrimsonspecter2 1 month ago
@iamcrimsonspecter2 Well I feel sorry for you that out of all the things the army has to offer, your favorite thing was your leadership. Shooting weapons, driving cool equipment, barracks parties. Nothing. You pick your leadership. And if fake means serving three years in the army and one year over seas then yeah I'm fake. TROLL........really, your serious. troll is what you come up with. wow. and your welcome for the waste of time. after all, isn't that the point of youtube. wasting time.
alrise4thejudge 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
@The1337user720 FALSE. Ages 17-29 are allowed to sign a SEAL Challenge Contract and go to BUD/S. Shane Patton was killed in Operation Redwing at age 23 in 2005. Many Team Master Chiefs are in their 40s. Stop giving people misinformation.
seancul55 1 month ago
All of them are POGS so who cares.
zachfresh 1 month ago
marines think theyre soooo bad ass become a navy seal you fucking bunch of loud mouths
qBzFiNesTBiGsB1 1 month ago
@byd4201 yeah and I hate people that can't spell credit...
bkzant06 2 months ago
Marines and the Army fighting ever since the beginning of time. LOL.
EricSchwin22 2 months ago
i hate people who think the usmc is the best branch ever and do not give the army any creadet for any thing they do. stupid usmc fanboys
byd4201 2 months ago
USMC for the win . but i have to admit army SF like Green Beret or delta force would win but thats just because the army has a bigger budget if the marines were more rich then they would be able to make the best special forces in the world
joshlongley 2 months ago
@joshlongley yeah and if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its ass when it hopped.
SerpentGreen249 1 month ago
@SerpentGreen249 im sorry you feel that way i just think the marines are more hardcore
joshlongley 1 month ago
@mrchestypuller1775 wtf is a commandant? You mean commander? Lol stfu. I am wasting my time on you but ill let you make yourself sound even more retarded in your next comment. Those marine's commander wouldn't have done shit because he'd be in trouble. My commander had to give me an article 15 because he has to follow the ucmj's regs. You know nothing. Just stfu and go pretend your a war veteran somewhere else like call of duty.
fatassgreasypussy 2 months ago
@fatassgreasypussy the commandant is the senior officer in the Marine Corps...and you just proved how dumb the army really is by this whole thing.
MrWowyouaredumb 2 months ago
@MrWowyouaredumb they dont call them commandants you fucking cock smoker. Commander is the word you huge pile of elephant crap.
fatassgreasypussy 2 months ago
@fatassgreasypussy OK you cock wagon I tried being nice but I guess that isn't getting through your thick fucking skull the FUCKING COMMANDANT IS THE SENIOR OFFICER IN THE MOTHER FUCKING UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS YOU FUCKING IGNORANT FUCK! There have been 35 of them since 1775 starting with Captain Samuel Nicholas and the newest is General James F Amos. My guess is you never served in any branch of the military other than PlayStation and you really just don't understand the concept of Google.
MrWowyouaredumb 2 months ago
@MrWowyouaredumb can you read, you piece of rhinosaurus shit? I said the other guy i was talking to before you was talking about the COMPANY COMMANDER. not the fucking COMMANDANT. The company COMMANDER of the two marines that i beat up during AIT had no say on my punishment, but my COMMANDER did.
Can you see correctly? did your gay boyfriend accidently poke you in the eye with his cock? stfu before i send a whole wagon of cocks up your ass.
fatassgreasypussy 2 months ago
@MrWowyouaredumb he was talking about the commander of their Company which would be a Captain which is a "commander" not a fucking General "commandant". so go slap yourself. HAHAHA
fatassgreasypussy 2 months ago
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So, and what about weapons of mass destruction guys ?
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And oil ? Do you know what ? When USA Cie make a business plans, they put US Marine and bomb Cost in the budget ... They don't know how to make business without bombing ...
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This is USA ...
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anasthase100 2 months ago
Some people spend an entire life wondering if they made a difference in the world, Marines don't have that problem-Ronald Reagan
xDeCepTioNz 2 months ago
Marines are like the poor kids in the family. Army gets all the nice, new shiny toys and the marines get a purple/silver M16 from Vietnam.
DanielRyanScott 2 months ago 2
@DanielRyanScott yea but i would rather have a couple of marines by my side in combat than like 10 army soldiers, and a tank..
MrChestypuller1775 2 months ago
@MrChestypuller1775 hahahah, that's why the Army gets the new stuff and better equipment cuz you Marines got no common sense and delusional.
a couple of Marines than 10 Soldiers and a tank. ahahha yep, that went pretty well during the first battle of Fallujah,
Then of course, Marines asked for help from the Army for the second battle, the Army spear headed the second one then Marines came in.
hahahah.
SerpentGreen249 2 months ago
@MrChestypuller1775 are you a fucking dipshit? Ive beat up 2 mouthy marines during AIT and accidently punched the MP that was trying to break us up. Marines and army are equal... you have shitbags in both branches.
fatassgreasypussy 2 months ago
@fatassgreasypussy no your the fucking dipshit.. And your a weak ass bitch who didnt punch nobody because your ass would have been thrown out the corps or at the most thrown off base your fag now stop lying..
MrChestypuller1775 2 months ago
@MrChestypuller1775 idiot... you said i wouldve been thrown out of the corps.. I WAS ARMY 11b, you retard. I knocked out one marine and was putting a whuppin on his friend for talkin shit and spun around and accidently punched an Army MP that was patrolling the base. I have the field grade Article 15 from UCMJ to prove it bitch. i was a specialist demoted all the way back to PVT. so slap yourself.
fatassgreasypussy 2 months ago
@fatassgreasypussy you're the retard because i was saying that IF YOU was a Marine which we all know would never happen because your a fat lazy fuck. and you take pride in being demoted wow.. no wonder your in the army because you would have your ass handed to you by the commadant of the marine corps you faggot
MrChestypuller1775 2 months ago
@fatassgreasypussy lol ur funny but retarded
iDropShot856 3 weeks ago
@iDropShot856 lol you like that shit dont ya ;)
fatassgreasypussy 3 weeks ago
Marines secretely like the Army, thats why they talk about them like an ex gf does about her ex boyfriend, haha
ArmyDude92F 2 months ago 2
@ArmyDude92F LMFAO THAT IS SO TRUE!
MrJuxtapoz2010 2 months ago
hahaha, he said he had a LZ in his haircut. LMAO
folkster34 2 months ago
"Has life in Iraq changed for the better without Saddam Hussein?"
Watch it,to see what the people saying....but the fact are facts!
We no need to ask anyone,because statistic is so obvious!
CAKIMacedonian 2 months ago
what was the long ass pole on the car?
shadowwolfHITSQUADtv 3 months ago
the black dude, is a asshole,, he proab dont even do anything fucking pvt or lcpl, talkin about f the army .. i bet if you get in a fire fight and the army help you u would say that,,, faggot,,,, and i can talk because i was in the marines at mals 26 and now im in the army,,,
montoreus 3 months ago
there just stupid pogs anyways
sdmcgoey 3 months ago
to bad marines aren't trained as well as rangers. they get the good training and the good shit. best of both worlds..
sdmcgoey 3 months ago
@Corey50210 You are defending your country by occupying another?
CAKIMacedonian 3 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian If that country is opressed by a dictator that kills/harms his own people, and those people ask for help, if that country is clearly a threat to others (as in harboring terrorists, endorse drug/weapons/people smuggling and other international threats) then, not only is the USA/Western Coalition/ISAF freeing people, they're also protecting their homeland.
krazykalash 3 months ago
@krazykalash Freeing people by who???by themselves???If Iraq was a threat according you than i can say that usa is the biggest EVIL on this world!Iraq has no NUCLEAR boms,but USA,that is threat to the world!!The drugs still coming from afghanistan,it means that the old owners -talibans have been replaced with new one-usa!t Why usa not try to free the people of Tibet???Of Taiwan?Iran?Syria?
only brainwashed people could believe in your words,''freedom fighters"!
CAKIMacedonian 3 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian They freed Iraq from Saddam (gassed his own people, trained airborne divisions against villages, owned SCUDS and chemical weapons). The US trained locals which clearly shows they wanted to be free from saddam. They freed Afghanistan from the taliban (they cut off farmers hands, directed international terrorism etc..). The drug problem is being solved slowly (DEA FAST), nothing is instant in war, it takes time. The US isnt ruling these countries, a free elected government is.
krazykalash 3 months ago
@krazykalash ahahha....owned Scuds,and chemical weapons???WHat is this compared with usa NUCLEAR WEAPONS???or maybe only they can have it???
CAKIMacedonian 3 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian By not responding to all the other arguments I showed you I figure I got you on those. Now on to the nuclear arsenal, yes the US has nuclear weapons but so does France, China, UK, and Russia. These weapons are under strict regulations, can't be used whenever they feel like and are probably under constant inspection. Saddam used SCUDS against Kuwait and Chemicals against their own, the US used 2 nukes once to stop a World War from claiming more allied lives.
krazykalash 3 months ago
@krazykalash He used tha 20 years ago,and he was in war about that right..why now???why 2 time?
We all know that the reason is the oil,not the people!
CAKIMacedonian 3 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian You're not responding to my points, nice... They used them twice and even then the japs kept going for a while, if they had used one they would probably just brush it off and redirect resourcees. They aren't actually getting any oil out of the war, they don't even get discount prices lol No one in Iraq is getting oil on the side, not the US, not all of the other countries that have military bases there. The invasion/occupation was supervised by international authorities genius...
krazykalash 3 months ago
@krazykalash Wrong wrong....the iraqi oil land is now owned by the british and usa petroleum companies!
Let's see one thing than- China,has scuds,has nuclear weapons,....and worst weapons than Iraq,has Tibet under their occupation,and Dalaj Lama,who is calling USA to free Tibetion people from China!
So my question is,why they are not attacking China???There is also,one ruler,as Sadam..and so many same and worst things than in Iraq???Why not China?
CAKIMacedonian 3 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian If they controled oil wouldn't it be cheaper? Wouldnt they try to actually get some advantage from that? That's a classic dumb Iraq war argument. Do you think that invading chine would actually get the US anywhere? They are already spread thin, they are dealing with alot of countries, training alot of foreign troops/police etc. Invading China right now is just impossible, it would crash the worlds economics, many lives would be lost etc. it's just a dumb extremist argument too
krazykalash 3 months ago
@krazykalash Actually you realized the opposite...the price of oil was cheaper,before they arrived in iraq, and now is more expensive because it is under usa control!So,why they fight???To control the oil price!Simple!
Yes,invading China is imposible,that is why they invaded-invading iraq,because it is possible!
Because iraq has oil,and it's not strong as china!very simple!
CAKIMacedonian 3 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian Corporate America didnt invade Iraq, the US Govt. did, and Im pretty sure the government would want the oil to be cheaper to it's citizens, the price is HIGH as hell in the US too. China is impossible to invade (for now, atleast with direct action), a mass invasion would be a nightmare. Iraq had a killer dictator that killed it's own people, the people asked for help (the poor getting killed did) and the Coalition (not the US) planned an invasion and killed the dictator, problem?
krazykalash 3 months ago
@krazykalash LOL man you understand this thing from opposite side-USA doesnt care about any citizens,they just care to keep the price of the oil high,so they can be the richest state in the world!
About China...you want to say that their president is better than Saddam???Wasn't Tibetian people especially Dalay Lama,asked USA for help???Same situation as it was in iraq!
But,this is china right,don't mess with someone what is strong!
CAKIMacedonian 3 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian So they want to screw their own citizens? That's great... Oh and don't forget Iraq is not the only country in the world with oil. By the way, I just googled "Iraqi Oil Companies", turns out no one is getting oil but them, don't you understand that the oil is and always has been Iraq's property? Ofcourse the chinese president isn't better than Saddam, but invading china would be dumb and wreckless, lives would be lost and economies hurt, I've said that before...
krazykalash 3 months ago
@krazykalash They screwed their own citizens in viethnam,why not now...politicians always screwed their citizens!About the oil-the companies what digging that oil are iraqi,but those who are taking that oil and transporting through the world are usa,uk...!They have contractions on who they can only export their oil!
The same was happen in Lybia.After the war,the french,usa and uk,petroleum companies got the advantage to export Lybian's oil!Very simple!
CAKIMacedonian 3 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian Where are you getting that information from? that's not happening at all, the Iraqi oil companies deal with the transportation and exportation... In vietnam the hippies with all those peace movements actually lost the war for the US and South Vietnam, the US didn't lose the fighting, they lost in terms of politics because photos of South Viet officers executing vietcong and other shock media... They could have easily held NV at the border, the war was balanced.
krazykalash 3 months ago
@krazykalash Those information about the oil transport have been on tv,actually on the news!
They are public information! Read this from Forbes "As U.S. Troops Move Out Of Iraq, Oil Companies Move In".
If usa cared about their citizens they wouldn't allowed to die 58 000 of them in vietnam,for nothing!
CAKIMacedonian 3 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian Yeah, oil companies from all around the world that buy stocks off the Iraqi oil companies in order to get their share, there is no "stealing", or "taking over" involved. They already did this before the war... Died for nothing? They were fighting for the south vietnamese, for their freedom. They were fighting to prevent a communist take over that could also endanger their homeland (besides dooming all of south vietnam)
krazykalash 3 months ago
@krazykalash I haven't seen any oil company from some small states???Why?
Nato attacked Iraq,and as we know,china and usa didn't stop it in that(by veto i mean)!
So,what we can see now,-uk,usa,chinesse,russian,german oil companies!You see how simple it is!
The north-vietham people are saying the same-they were dying for their freedom!?
CAKIMacedonian 3 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian Because they don't have money, you need money to get shares lol The North Vietnamese started the war, the were like "We are communists now, any one who isn't needs to die" and then attacked South Vietnam, they weren't fighting for freedom, they were fighting for politics and power.
krazykalash 3 months ago
@krazykalash Ask yourself,how many of those petroleum companies were in iraq before the war?
North viethnamesse were defending themselves from usa's occupation!
There are many videos of them where they always repeating-freedom fighting!
CAKIMacedonian 3 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian Actually...there are fewer energy companies in Iraq now than before. Take a look. 90% of the companies there are original companies or Kuwaiti/Saudi owned companies. There are very few western companies there. Very few.
The North Vietnamese were defending themselves in South Vietnam? That's like saying the North Koreans were defending themselves in South Korea or the Iraqis were defending themselves in Kuwait. Get a clue. Quit making assumptions.
MAOfights 3 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian stocks.investopedia(.)com/stock-analysis/2010/Oil-Companies-Making-Moves-In-Iraq--XOM-BP-RDS-E-OXY0118.aspx#axzz1cMvRwHdx Check this out, this will answer your oil related questions. The US didn't occupy North Vietnam (although they did have some SF and CIA units behind enemy lines, the US were simply protecting the South Vietnam from communist occupation. The "freedom-fighting" propaganda is related to the vietcong in S Vietnam, the northe vietnamese told them to rise up.
krazykalash 3 months ago
@krazykalash Commusts in vithnam said the same-they have been protected their land from usa and their slaves,inside viethnam!
I think that i gave you nice example with china,that the war in iraq was not for freedom.
Here is another example:Syrian government killing their citizens,every day,and there is the same situation as in Lybia,and Iraq,but as we can see nato,doesn't want to attack them!?
CAKIMacedonian 3 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian China is the same as Syria, NATO doesn't have the means to strike those countries, they are kind of busy in case you haven't noticed. There are countless examples of dictatorships that need to be taken down, but there aren't enough resources for that. The North Vietnamese never said anything about defending their territory, they just talked about eliminating anti-communists and taking over South Vietnam.
krazykalash 2 months ago
@krazykalash Well,from some reason the fight for human rights is reduced...we can guess why,dont u think!
About Viethnam,find me one who is saying that his target was eliminating communism enemies,and i will find you those who are saying the opposite!
CAKIMacedonian 2 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian Aren't you reading my comments? The fight for human rights isn't reduced, pacifist hippies say that... ISAF is in Afghanistan cutting off drug suplies, keeping the Taliban of the power and eliminating terror cells, the US (and others) are in Iraq rebuilding the country after taking down a dictator, NATO is rebuilding Lybia (after helping the people) etc. South Vietnam never even made a move on the North, now go and google Tet Offensive to see what the North Vietnam did...
krazykalash 2 months ago
@krazykalash Well man,now i am going to prove you that you are wrong,with your own words!You said that usa is in Afghanistan to keep out of power Thalibans(now u will see how easy you have been brainwashed).
When Russia was in Afghanistan and fought against thalibans,usa supports them(the thalibans)and called them freedom and jihad fighters!Now,they are their enemies...how???From their big friends,they became their worst enemies,why?WHY USA supports them against Russia...it same situation as now
CAKIMacedonian 2 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian Not the same at all ahaha The US did support some tribes to rise up against the Russians, but they didn't support most of the terrorist groups that took over after that. They didn't arm EVERY SINGLE taliban in afghanistan, they trained local militias, armed some tribes and helped some locals, they didn't arm the Taliban. Some taliban were freedom fighters back then, then they started selling weapons, supporting terrorism worldwide, starting terror camps etc... They changed...
krazykalash 2 months ago
@krazykalash Sorry man but you are not informed about that!Wasn't Bin Laden was trained by CIA?
Wasn't Bin Laden was leading many Thalibans in actions against russia?
Thalibans sold drug at the time when russia was there,before,and still they are!
CAKIMacedonian 2 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian Yes, I'm informed, I have debated this topic many times in way more serious arguments, my facts are good.
Bin Laden wasn't directly trained by the CIA, other mujahedin and militia were, not him nor his affiliates;
Bin Laden attacked the russians but I don't see how that is relevant here;
Taliban did fund the opium trade, and they still do but the US are doing something about it, just search DEA FAST team, it's a special anti-drug team that focuses on eliminating the opium trade.
krazykalash 2 months ago
@krazykalash Well,if you are informed than you well know that USA called people to fight against RUSSIAN INVASION....to fight for their freedom,they trained them for freedom fight right!
After that they fought against the same people who have been trained from them...no sense,don't you think!
If now afghanistan is controlled by usa,it comes that they are those who are selling drugs now!
Hmmm,,,,afghanistan to control the drugs,iraq for oil!?very simple!
CAKIMacedonian 2 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian Pay attention to replies, they don't control the oil and they FIGHT the drugs, if you want proof just look at my replies, I won't repeat myself. They trained SOME afghanis against the russians, to prevent a communist take over, then terrorists/criminals took over afghanistan instead of the free afghani people. Afghanistan has it's own government. The ISAF (many countries including my own) are there but have now decision making power, they train the ANA and fight terrorists/drugs.
krazykalash 2 months ago
@krazykalash Sorry man,but you are not,or don't want to see the other side of the story!
You may have a reason for that....!
CAKIMacedonian 2 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian What? You are the one not being able to counter my arguments, I've responded to everything you said and defended my opinion perfectely. You just presented fake propaganda arguments that aren't really true. Now let's set this straight, I'm a Portuguese guy so I guess I'm pretty neutral on that, I respect every single military force in the world and its individual members. So unless you can counter my arguments I think I just won this one.
krazykalash 2 months ago
@krazykalash Well,it is easy to say that my arguments are fake,i can say the same about you!
CAKIMacedonian 2 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian I can actually link you to most (if not every) argument that I presented you. I actually gave you a link regarding the oil companies and the "NATO Taking over" myth. You just said that Bin Ladden was trained by the CIA and that the US armed the taliban, those are well known propaganda myths. Every single argument I gave can be supported, unlike yours, face it, you're the one that got brainwashed...
krazykalash 2 months ago
@krazykalash Again,all those companies who are in iraq,have been included into that war,or they have been supporting it ....those companies from quatar,dubai,s.arabia,(to not mention those from usa,uk,china,rusia)
are members of the world oil organisation,which is under usa control!
TELL ME,HOW MANY USA(or the rest what i mention above) OIL COMPANIES WORKED IN IRAQ BEFORE THE INVASION????AND HOW MANY THEY ARE NOW???
CAKIMacedonian 2 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian This is a quote from the link I sent you in the comments:
" The Iraqi Oil Ministry has awarded licenses to a broad range of international companies, many of which are based in nations that opposed the war and refused to participate. Only two U.S.-based oil companies have been awarded contracts to develop Iraqi oil fields." The Iraqi Oil Ministry allowed these companies to move if they payed, only two are american, the rest are Russian, Italian, Dutch and Angolan... Problem?
krazykalash 2 months ago
@krazykalash You are avoiding my question or???I asked you something else?!!
CAKIMacedonian 2 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian I must've misunderstood then. Why is the number of Companies relevant here? They seized and payed for an opportunity after the war, what's the problem? Must of the countries that bought a share of the oil companies in Iraq weren't even participating and were never there.
krazykalash 2 months ago
@krazykalash There wasn't even one before the war...and there are many now!!!
What all this saying...kill Saddam,change the regime,and took their oil!Obviously!
Do they live better now,than before, with Saddam???
CAKIMacedonian 2 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian Ofcourse there were, oil fields were seized, the Iraqis had a limited oil infrastructure built. The minorities are way better now, Saddam used to test chemical weapons and masscre them for training porpuses, the middle class is finally getting established (jobs are still quite rare though, but that was even worse), and the rich people (the ones that weren't affiliated with Saddam) are still good. By killing Saddam they prevented further deaths and international threats.
krazykalash 2 months ago
@krazykalash NOT EVEN ONE BEFORE THE WAR!!!If we compare how many iraqi people suffered under Saddam/s regime,and under usa occupation,we will see,that people of iraq more suffered under usa occupation!Exmaple-Abu Graib,Baghdad prison,where the people have been tortured on the way as the world has neevr seen before,of course,by USA marines!
Let's compare how many deaths-killing happened before Saddam and after-now each day more that 100 civilians are death!
CAKIMacedonian 2 months ago
@krazykalash Unemployment ,before the war and after the war,the safety of the people before and after the war,killing before and after the war???Compare all these things and you ll realize that the life in iraq is much worst than into the Saddam's time!!And when you mention their minorities,i will just mention that Kurds in Iraq,those aginst who,Saddam used his chemical weapons are still not recognized,and even they are under millitary attacks every day!
CAKIMacedonian 2 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian The kurds, the ba'athist party, the assyrians were all treated like animals and targets, everyone that talked shit about Saddam was terminated. The Kurds are now safe, they were probably targeted by insurgency in the end of the invasion, not any more. The ba'athist actually helped in the fight against saddam. The streets aren't as safe, but that's during this transition, once the police is trained and in full capacity that will change. The rest is actually getting better
krazykalash 2 months ago
@krazykalash LOL man,Kurds in Iraq have been attacked by the turkish army,with permission of the iraqi-usa government!Last week that was happen!Is it now better or not,we can see from the people's quality of living,and iraq,together with afghanistan are on the last places!
Killings,raping,bombs,prostitution,weapons trade,drugs,smaller salaries,smaller number of employment people,religion killings(shia0sunits)...all these things haven't exist or have been just marginal into the Saddam's time!
CAKIMacedonian 2 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian The Turks attacked because kurd militants killed 24 Turkish soldiers. The quality of life is affected by war, but it's just a phase (france in WWII). Death is mostly caused by insurgency, they are killing their own, never heard about any rapings/prostitution rise, weapons/drugs trade is decreasing thanks to the Coalition Forces (ex. DEA FAST Team). The Shia vs Sunni did rise during the war in Iraq, but that was just them taking advantage of the war, they couldve stayed in peace.
krazykalash 2 months ago
@krazykalash Well man,the primary thing for the quality of living in the world states is economy!
Secondary,if the safety,third human rights,and the infrastructure in the state!
So,all these things are in worst case than before the war!I really mean all of them!
CAKIMacedonian 2 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian I'm pretty sure the top "thing" should be safety, you can have a strong economy but if everybody is killing each other then your country is shit. Human rights are equally important and then the rest follows. The ones that are fucking everything up are the suicide bombers and insurgents, they blow up Iraqi markets and kill Iraqi innocent people, for every soldier/police officer killed, some 25+ civillians get killed too. Its a transition phase and it's already getting better.
krazykalash 2 months ago
@krazykalash Well man those people had reason to attack and kill people and soldiers,where were they before the war???No even one suicide bombing?!
So,it comes that people lived better before the war,as they are saying!
The only profit from the war have,oil companies,weapon companies...!Not the simple citizens!
CAKIMacedonian 2 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian Say that to the french after the WWII, they also had no jobs, no money etc.. Look at them now, look at every occupied and liberated country, there's a difficult phase. You cant have a valid reason to kill innocents, they can target soldiers and police officers, but using child bombs? Targeting market places? targeting schools? If you want to expel occupiers gather a majority and fight or something, if the majority of people wanted that there wouldn't be an ANA for example
krazykalash 2 months ago
@krazykalash In our case with china we can realize that usa are not fighting for human rights,and people's freedom!
CAKIMacedonian 3 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian I don't understand...
krazykalash 3 months ago
@CAKIMacedonian First you complain about the illegal occupation and then you want it everywhere? Calm down... They're probably getting to it, I bet they have SAD or Deltas or whatever in half those countries already waiting for shit to go down. They helped ALOT with Lybia and are already stretching their resources, acting in those countries would require something like ISAF or some other big coalition, the US doesn't act alone.
krazykalash 3 months ago
they act like kids! I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!
Clear162 3 months ago
@usindependent50 bro have respect for anyone who serves even if they are assholes.
flyer97blink 3 months ago 6
@flyer97blink
i think your are right....
ikie18 3 months ago in playlist Meer video's van i5000s
How can you complain about them having MRAPs when your clearly sitting in the back of an M1126? When I was in Iraq I was lucky to get the armor on our humvee that we did.
I wont generalize that that I hate all Marines but these are the type of Marines I hate. But I guess they need some worthless fools to send out into shitty places. And the less intellectual the better. The rest they'll try to protect.
usindependent50 3 months ago 2
@usindependent50 Dude that is not an 1126. That is an AAV from the 70's. The army had MRAPs when we were still rockin the L shaped doors on our trucks.
Blacklung27 3 months ago
@Blacklung27
My bad, i didn't spend alot of time in armored vehicles in my time in Iraq. We were stuck in under armored humvees. These kids should be thankful. I'd trade with them anyday.
usindependent50 3 months ago
@usindependent50 I think I would rather walk than ride around in one of those rolling coffins.
Blacklung27 3 months ago
@Blacklung27
Amen to that. There's always an EFP with your name on it just waiting...
usindependent50 3 months ago
So that car is of the marines right? and the other guy (black) is the army?
BowSsaint 4 months ago
What have you been through tooci, besides telling people to eat a dick?
sanderson420a 4 months ago
bruhhh eat a dick , i been deployed to , and matter fact going back next week, eat a dick u dnt kno wat ive been through .
tooicyent1 4 months ago
what a differnt between Marines and Army???
AnimeGod1995 4 months ago
@AnimeGod1995 Marines fight the battles. Army fights the war.
Marines job is to invade a particular territory and secure it until the Army gets there and holds a strong foot in the area, then the Marines move on and the process continues.
Basically, Marines are almost always the first ones in the line of combat, and first ones to be deployed to battle. Ever watched "The Pacific"? Those were Marines.
gamer1541 4 months ago
@gamer1541
That's a popular myth, but just not true. Both the Army and Marines do the initial fighting.
TheAdjundantReflex 4 months ago
@TheAdjundantReflex I actually researched my information and I have close family in the reserves. So If I'm wrong prove me wrong.
gamer1541 4 months ago
@gamer1541 Well that is the purpose of the corp. But in this day and age, roles have been altered. 3rd ID foirst in Baghdad right? SF crippled the Taliban before the invasion right? But you have forgotten about the 82nd and how the are deployable within 72hrs. or the 173rd in Italy. it really just depends nowadays......
bklacc1 4 months ago
@bklacc1 Dude that's right. Don't forget, 173rd part of northern front in Iraq with Army SFs and Permeshga forces. 82nd was part of 5th Corps going into Baghdad with 101st and 3rd ID at it's tip. 1st AD was in Kuwait ready to go in as well.
HDNighster1 4 months ago
@bklacc1 3rd divison first to baghdad marines captured it. Sf didnt cripple taliban the first year of the invasion did starting with marines. Marines can deploy anywhere in the world in 90 min
iDropShot856 3 months ago
@gamer1541 No theyre not... they are not the first to fight. It was a motto used once long ago. SF, Rangers and SEALS are usually the first ones in before any conventional infantry units (though the Rangers are conventional). In fact, the Army was the first to Iraq, the Marines had Afghan. Rangers can deploy to any part of the world within 11hours notice.
24Rorschach 4 months ago
@24Rorschach Spec ops units are pretty much everywhere, all the time. Trying to count them as "first" kinda ruins the point of the argument, since every branch has a spec op component and god only knows where they are or what they're up to at any given time. Which one gets picked for what missions depends on that particular group's specialized training - that's why they're called special forces. When it comes to large scale operations (like war) the "first to fight" motto comes from (text limit)
KausticX 4 months ago
@24Rorschach - the Marine Corps' mission. The Corps is the only branch that has it's own internal land, air, and amphibious capabilities all rolled into a single force. The president can deploy the Marines - and only the Marines - anywhere in the world on nothing but his own decision, no congressional approval, no nothing. He can keep us deployed and fighting for up to 6 months. And so that's exactly what we're trained and equipped to do - deploy anywhere on earth in 24 hours or (text limit)
KausticX 4 months ago
@KausticX What can you tell me about the navy airforce? my cousin is a marine too but he knows sht, im thinking on going for navy airforce or just go for marines too.
BowSsaint 4 months ago
@BowSsaint That's actually a little vague. Did you mean navy and/or airforce? Or are you referring to the navy's pilots, who fly helos and whatnot? And what specifically do you want to know about them? I'm a Marine, of course, but I know a little bit about the other branches, mainly because of how long I've been in, and also a little because I work in military intelligence so it's part of my job to understand our own capabilities as well as the enemy's.
KausticX 4 months ago
@KausticX The navy pilots the one who fly the fighter jets i guess
BowSsaint 4 months ago
@BowSsaint A navy recruiter could probably tell you more about that. To my knowledge, most fighter jets are the Air Force's domain. The other branches primarily fly helos, though there are limited fighter jet roles in the Navy and Marine Corps. As to the specifics of their jobs and what they do, I don't have any more information than you could find on google. Like I said, talk to a recruiter. They can tell you more, and point you to some good resources with more details.
KausticX 4 months ago
@KausticX Ok thanks, i did google it all not really much you can find, thanks for the info.
BowSsaint 4 months ago
@KausticX Actually the U.S. navy operates more fighter aircraft than the Air Force. Keep in mind that they also support the Marine fighter wings as well.
Blacklung27 3 months ago
@Blacklung27 Is that so? Very well then. Glad I threw in the "to my knowledge" bit. I always say that when I'm uncertain.
KausticX 3 months ago
@24Rorschach - less, and wage full scale war on all fronts against anyone, anywhere, anytime, with absolutely no support from any other branch of the U.S. military (save the naval ships that transports us there). That's why the Marines have MEU's constantly floating around all over the globe. That's the response force. Anything goes down ANYWHERE, and the president can put a full war fighting force - not a small spec ops insertion, but a full blown WAR - on their doorstep in less than a day.
KausticX 4 months ago
@24Rorschach lol yea sf r first ones in in uncoventinal warfare which means before we declare war. The marines r first in conventinal warfare when the war actually starts see the differnce and marines can deploy anywhere in 90 minutes. The marines did have afhganistan but the army only beat marines into baghdad by 3 ft since we were right behind them with or amtracts and m1 arbrams
iDropShot856 3 months ago
@iDropShot856 Dude, Army 10th MTN was already in Northern Afghanistan before a MEU arrived in southern Afghanistan in 2001. The Northern Alliance did most of fighting with Army SFs and CIA as backup.
HDNighster1 3 months ago
@AnimeGod1995 The president has the authority to deploy the Marine Corps - and no one else - without congressional approval for up to 6 months. Hence we are the only branch equipped with our own land, air, and amphibious capability - our mission is to be ready to bring war to the doorstep of any country on earth, in just 24 hours notice, and fight them for up to 6 months all by ourselves with no support from any other branch. That's also why we're meaner, tougher, crazier, deadlier, etc etc.
KausticX 4 months ago
faggot ass marines
tooicyent1 4 months ago
@tooicyent1 You obviously dont know what the marines go through, to see them talk like this is normal if you were in a hot desert for 365 days wouldnt you just want to talk shit all the time? Little lone being shot at. You will never in your life time come close to being more bad ass than the marines!
Latestfox 4 months ago
@Latestfox Go ask former JSOC Commander four star Gen Hugh Shelton about how bad ass the Marines are. Especially their past "Special Operations Capable" units. He'll let you know.
SerpentGreen249 4 months ago
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Latestfox 4 months ago
Let me guess stuff like, know your target and what lays past it and shit? Sounds like the same thing stuff they teach us in boot.
sanderson420a 4 months ago
pogs
buddhaman73 4 months ago
"Accuracy means dick in war mother fucker"? I'm starting to think you are one of the "fake soldiers" I was talking about.
sanderson420a 4 months ago
I didn't say they don't spend money, but I can't see the USMC spending more then the Army.
sanderson420a 4 months ago
Have you not noticed that the army gives you shit to get info about the army, how does that not spend tax money?? Marine Corps don't do that shit, if you want to be a marine then you earn it. They don't give you shit, unlike the army.
sanderson420a 4 months ago
@sanderson420a the USMC dosent spend money??? LMAO....here google this././.USMC Influnece in hollywood and media outlet on google and see what u get...look at the 2nd DOD report article
Texashog74 4 months ago