@SolidSnake032486 - When John Carpenter first screened Halloween for distributrs, it was before the movie was scored and NONE of them wanted any part of it because they said it wasn't scarey. ^_^
the last bits of music after the shark is gone sounds like the shark under water is making "nja nja nja nja nja njaaaaa"... it always makes me laugh! xD
Just to add another comment. I'm not sure why but the first take reminds me of a scene (without any score) in the Sopranos with Tony and Chris using a digger. Ostensibly the scene is boring and has no music but the raw sounds and the defined storyline development between the two characters means that score is completely unneccesary. I could reel off dozens of scenes from other series for example 6 feet under where 'life sounds' or silence was as good as any score.
It is great but its also a sign of how stupid most people are. Intelligent movies have very little music in them and their audiences don't need to be 'guided' by music how to feel in any given moment.
One movie - DELIEVEANCE. it barely uses any score at all apart from the famous song we all remember.
It was hardly an analysis. I was merely pointing out the fact is that a film that does not have much or any score has to rely on the story it is telling and sounds of 'life' if you will.
Its not just Deliverance, some of the best paranoia movies of the 70's barely have any music and yet they manage to produce tension and a feeling of dread.
There are plenty of diabolical movies in the romantic comedy genre for example that are also flooded with sentimental musical drivel, yes for the stupid.
@anonbg Well, if you are referring to the cheap use of classic songs in romcoms (especially after Sleepless in Seattle), then we might reach an agreement.
@anonbg That's not terribly true at all. Now, a film needs as much music as it needs. There is a tendency for films presently to have way too much music in them. That doesn't mean that music is bad for a movie... it means most directors don't trust their actors, their story or their own direction. Even so, an excellent score enhances a movie.
@scottgilesmusic I didn't say that music is bad for a movie, Too much music shows that the movie is lacking storyline or that filmakers suspect that their audiences are not so bright.
Now, when I was younger I would wholeheartedly agree with your position. However, as I get older I find that as far as musical score is concerned, less is more. Actually in the above example I enjoy the raw sounds in the first bit almost as much as the second part.
@anonbg Ah, I think I follow you. I must have misinterpreted what you said. I also agree with you (and the late Jerry Goldsmith) that films generally have too much music in them.
It seems that many filmmakers don't trust their story, their writing, their actors, their cinematography and so hope the music will clarify the intention of a what they worry is a muddled scene or supply an emotional content they fear isn't present.
No Country For Old Men hardly has any music in it. The only scene which has a hint of music in the background is the coin tossing scene in the gas station.
Alien originally had a lot more music but Ridley Scott removed much of it and relied on tension and silence alone in many scenes.
@McLarenMercedes of course there's no music in alien, the whole movie is about a crew isolated in a space ship. music in that movie would be stupid. at the beginning of jaws when crissie is swimming, you could barely hear the jaws theme cause you were alone with crissie with no music which made that scene really suspensful. but when three men are on a boat watching a shark coming right for them, well just listening to the water isn't scary. you need anticipation music in that scene.
Only problem is that the version with the music is the awful stereo remix instead of the original mix, in which the music was actually much more powerful even though it was a mono film. You can also tell that a lot of the sound effects you hear in the first clip are not the same in the second clip.
All those little rises in pitch of the music make your brain think something bad is gonna happen all the time, even when you've seen the film 1,000 times.
Actually, I thought that was an excellent example of how a music soundtrack makes a great movie even better. If this is not proof enough.. watch Star Wars without the movie....zzzzz
On the soundtrack, this track starts off a little slow as Brody staggers in fear back into the cabin ("You're gonna need a bigger boat"), then picks up to roughly 119 beats per minute as Quint and Hooper make their preparations; then the tempo picks up to 136 bpm -- nicely pacing the pulse of the audience as the urgency of the scene increases.
@Bisbeatle It was shown this way in concert with Richard Dreyfuss on stage. He did a comparison with and without the film. This is obviously from that version. I agree that the film does next to nothing without the music, it's incredible!
wow jaws really doenst work without music. without that 2 note jaws theme the movie would not of been as successful. The same with Halloween. Without that 3 note theme song it would not of been as scary. that is proof that music takes a very big role in your movies. especially horror movies like this and halloween
Sucks that, like the music industry itself, the quality of film score composers has gone down the drain.
Transformers2themax 3 weeks ago
It's all true. I feel the same way about Bond films and John Barry. No James Bond movie will ever be truly terrific without Barry's music.
dymchurch1 2 months ago
These are the kind of videos I'd like to see more of on youtube.
iFilmmak3r 3 months ago
how did u remove the music from the clip?
Doveslayer665 5 months ago in playlist Doveslayer665's favorites
Any movie can be made about twice as good with a brilliant score, which John does with this one.
SolidSnake032486 5 months ago
@SolidSnake032486 - When John Carpenter first screened Halloween for distributrs, it was before the movie was scored and NONE of them wanted any part of it because they said it wasn't scarey. ^_^
Hum0ng0us 3 months ago
I liked it without the music seemed real and HARDCORE!
NowThatsPro 6 months ago
How did you get this scene without music?
StarWarsFan786 8 months ago
DO A BARREL ROLL !
Vanky20000 9 months ago
you know what? without the music it makes it seem more... real you know?
FO3rulez 1 year ago
@FO3rulez You've been watching too much reality tv.
SolidSnake032486 5 months ago
@SolidSnake032486 Oh god fuck that noise I hate reality tv man lmao it has music though so idk what you were getttin at.
FO3rulez 5 months ago
Excellent! Where did you find this? is there a version without music out there?
ZacharopoulosK 1 year ago
the last bits of music after the shark is gone sounds like the shark under water is making "nja nja nja nja nja njaaaaa"... it always makes me laugh! xD
eigenART09 1 year ago
Just to add another comment. I'm not sure why but the first take reminds me of a scene (without any score) in the Sopranos with Tony and Chris using a digger. Ostensibly the scene is boring and has no music but the raw sounds and the defined storyline development between the two characters means that score is completely unneccesary. I could reel off dozens of scenes from other series for example 6 feet under where 'life sounds' or silence was as good as any score.
anonbg 1 year ago
Excellent demonstration!
scottgilesmusic 1 year ago
It is great but its also a sign of how stupid most people are. Intelligent movies have very little music in them and their audiences don't need to be 'guided' by music how to feel in any given moment.
One movie - DELIEVEANCE. it barely uses any score at all apart from the famous song we all remember.
anonbg 1 year ago
@anonbg I think that is complete nonsense. A banal and ignorant analysis of the function of film music.
Vertigo, Citizen Kane, 2001? Truffaut, Godard and Spielberg films. All of them is filled with music.
nikosvault 1 year ago
It was hardly an analysis. I was merely pointing out the fact is that a film that does not have much or any score has to rely on the story it is telling and sounds of 'life' if you will.
Its not just Deliverance, some of the best paranoia movies of the 70's barely have any music and yet they manage to produce tension and a feeling of dread.
There are plenty of diabolical movies in the romantic comedy genre for example that are also flooded with sentimental musical drivel, yes for the stupid.
anonbg 1 year ago
@anonbg Well, if you are referring to the cheap use of classic songs in romcoms (especially after Sleepless in Seattle), then we might reach an agreement.
nikosvault 1 year ago
@anonbg That's not terribly true at all. Now, a film needs as much music as it needs. There is a tendency for films presently to have way too much music in them. That doesn't mean that music is bad for a movie... it means most directors don't trust their actors, their story or their own direction. Even so, an excellent score enhances a movie.
scottgilesmusic 1 year ago
@scottgilesmusic I didn't say that music is bad for a movie, Too much music shows that the movie is lacking storyline or that filmakers suspect that their audiences are not so bright.
Now, when I was younger I would wholeheartedly agree with your position. However, as I get older I find that as far as musical score is concerned, less is more. Actually in the above example I enjoy the raw sounds in the first bit almost as much as the second part.
anonbg 1 year ago
@anonbg Ah, I think I follow you. I must have misinterpreted what you said. I also agree with you (and the late Jerry Goldsmith) that films generally have too much music in them.
It seems that many filmmakers don't trust their story, their writing, their actors, their cinematography and so hope the music will clarify the intention of a what they worry is a muddled scene or supply an emotional content they fear isn't present.
scottgilesmusic 1 year ago
@anonbg
No Country For Old Men hardly has any music in it. The only scene which has a hint of music in the background is the coin tossing scene in the gas station.
Alien originally had a lot more music but Ridley Scott removed much of it and relied on tension and silence alone in many scenes.
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago 2
@McLarenMercedes of course there's no music in alien, the whole movie is about a crew isolated in a space ship. music in that movie would be stupid. at the beginning of jaws when crissie is swimming, you could barely hear the jaws theme cause you were alone with crissie with no music which made that scene really suspensful. but when three men are on a boat watching a shark coming right for them, well just listening to the water isn't scary. you need anticipation music in that scene.
kenyon101 6 months ago
@McLarenMercedes in short, the score all depends on the tone of the movie or scene.
kenyon101 6 months ago
@NowisMilestone IT WAS ON BOSTON POPS...several years ago...
UFOSPACE1999 1 year ago
IT IS truly boring and not exciting without John Williams Music...Spielberg, Verna Fields, John Williams...MADE THIS ALL WORK!!!
UFOSPACE1999 1 year ago
Only problem is that the version with the music is the awful stereo remix instead of the original mix, in which the music was actually much more powerful even though it was a mono film. You can also tell that a lot of the sound effects you hear in the first clip are not the same in the second clip.
TrevWks 1 year ago
Kudos to whomever posted this! This is such a great example of using film music and a great teaching tool for music classes!
rif00184 1 year ago
He went from an angry Welshman to a happy scouser for some reason.
7byseven 2 years ago
All those little rises in pitch of the music make your brain think something bad is gonna happen all the time, even when you've seen the film 1,000 times.
7byseven 2 years ago
Actually, I thought that was an excellent example of how a music soundtrack makes a great movie even better. If this is not proof enough.. watch Star Wars without the movie....zzzzz
themightyquinner123 2 years ago
I didn't think I'd say this but I actually think that the scene is more gripping without the music! It somehow feels more real and intense.
flandersfails 2 years ago
On the soundtrack, this track starts off a little slow as Brody staggers in fear back into the cabin ("You're gonna need a bigger boat"), then picks up to roughly 119 beats per minute as Quint and Hooper make their preparations; then the tempo picks up to 136 bpm -- nicely pacing the pulse of the audience as the urgency of the scene increases.
karimalim 2 years ago
How did you remove the music?
Bisbeatle 2 years ago
@Bisbeatle It was shown this way in concert with Richard Dreyfuss on stage. He did a comparison with and without the film. This is obviously from that version. I agree that the film does next to nothing without the music, it's incredible!
jawsisking 1 year ago
@jawsisking Oh, cool!
Bisbeatle 1 year ago
"Hooper! Get clear of the barrel!"
JohnWilliamsMusic 2 years ago 6
That is stunning, the difference between these two clips. The first one feels more like a home movie without the music!
effeffeff 2 years ago
Really good video, thanks for putting it up. It's fantastic how much a good score can do for a movie.
SteVin89 2 years ago
wow jaws really doenst work without music. without that 2 note jaws theme the movie would not of been as successful. The same with Halloween. Without that 3 note theme song it would not of been as scary. that is proof that music takes a very big role in your movies. especially horror movies like this and halloween
EricVierthaler92 2 years ago
Spielberg himself said John Williams was responsible for at least 50% of this movies' success.
MovieMusicandMoments 2 years ago 20
this movie really doesn't work without the score
Gallifrey1991 2 years ago 3
Amazing huh?
DarkForestPictures 2 years ago