Baptism Part II Ch 2: Historical Proof That Baptism Saves

[ShuffleUpTv]

I'm been studying the catholic religion and i disagree that your sprinkling of babies saves them. What if they commit 1 mortal sin before they die? Did that faux baptism save them?

[Truthseeker424]

Do you believe in Scriptures or all these people you keep quoteing.

Col.2:8-12>>>this is the true Gospel. We must be born again no doubt! Watch "PARADISE DESTINATION" GOD BLESS!!!!

[300tamales]

Peter then said to be baptized into Jesus for the remission of sins-Acts2:38.What does baptism mean-It means to be immersed or dipped in water.Paul says we are buried and risen with Christ Jesus thru baptism-Rom6:1-6,Col2:10-12,@G­al3:27.Jesus had power while on earth to forgive sins-Mark2:10/Luke5:21So he could forgive the thief while on earth as he had died nor been resurrected and the commision was not given yet.1Pete3:21 talks of how we obey clears our conscience and water does save us.True2u

[300tamales]

To believe is to obey-Mark16:16/James1:19-26 state this clearly.Jesus commanded repentance and remission(same as forgiveness) of sin to be preached to all at Jerusalem(Luke24:45-47) and Peter said for all to repent(meaning to change or be sorry for past acts)

[Riverfrog72]

If baptism saves then why did Jesus die on the cross? Why didn't jesus save himself alot of trouble and just point to John the baptist and say "Follow this man for he just saved me".

I'll tell you why, becuase water is water and doesn't do anything to forgive one of sins.

[OneTrueChurch]

becasue it is the effects of Christ's sacrifice that are applied trhough baptism

[twisantigo]

Your comment makes no sense!! John the baptist didn't die on the cross for our sins. John was not God's Son. John prepared people for Christ's coming, but now we are saved by being baptized in the name of Christ-Acts 2:38. It was God's plan for His Son to die for our salvation. Don't you dare say that baptism does not save!! Read 1 Peter 3:21..."baptism now saves you!!" How can you deny God's word??

[haszK]

@Riverfrog72

Please people be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ ( ACTS 2:38)!!

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16 ( KJV)

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." -Mark 16:16(KJV)

[haszK]

@Riverfrog72

It works together because we are baptised unto His death.

"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?"

-Romans 6:3 ( KJV)

[rossdaboss1959]

@Riverfrog72 Type in "APOSTOLIC PRODUCTIONS" in search engine.

[relaxedpuppet]

Context, Context, Context... Read Acts 10:43-48.you will see that water does not save,they were saved and filled with they Holy Spirit because they believed (FAITH).and after they were saved then came Baptism (water).the baptism that saves us is the blood,we are baptized by the blood into the body of Christ. then what about the thief on the Cross. He was not Baptized with water only with the blood Christ shed on the Cross.Christ told him Today.

[twisantigo]

Tell me where it says in Acts 10 that the gentiles were saved because they were filled with the Holy Spirit!! Why then were they still COMMANDED to be baptized? Why be baptized if you are already saved? Read 1 Peter 3:21..."baptism now SAVES YOU!!!" Please reply and tell me that God is lying in His own Word.

[bimboblacky]

I have read the entire CITY OF GOD and was not entirely impressed (yeah, I know, what a big surprise. ;) Anyway, so here is a question that was asked before: (but first, THE AUGSBURG CONFESSION does proclaim exactly what U said toward the very end of the video).

Question: A human baby (let's say someone on the younger side of 2 years old) dies a violent death, never having been baptized. What then???

[manofgod193]

babies arent born with sin..the bible talks much about how we should become innocent like little children... now if children have sin... why does jesus say we must become like little children?

[OneTrueChurch]

Babies are innocent, in the sense that they have not commited any sin of their own. But they are still separated from God by original sin of our first parents.

[JonathanDWhitehead]

No man will inherit anyones sins.

[twisantigo]

You are dead wrong!! Give me scripture that supports your idea that babies are born with sin. Why then does God's Word say that we must become like little children!! Are you calling God a liar?? You are a false teacher and need to study the Bible properly.

[qaz56plm]

Psalm 51:5. "behold, I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me." there is proof. we must become as children in the since that they stereotypically have blind faith to believe anything. if dad says it is so, it is so and that is it. Jesus wants us to have that kind of faith to believe in him.

[CASSMAN777]

Where in the bible does it say baptism is a requirement?

[OneTrueChurch]

wow, did you even watch this video?

[CASSMAN777]

I did, I just heard a bunch of people names I didn't here any bible versuses.

[rossdaboss1959]

@CASSMAN777 Type in "APOSTOLIC PRODUCTIONS"

[FaithfulServantofGod]

Don't you know were supposed to believe Martin Luther over the Apostles and the early church fathers? Because somebody 1500 years after Christ was risen knows so much more truth than the Apostles and those that were taught by the Apostles *rolls eyes*

[CASSMAN777]

How are Martin Luther's and the apostle's view on CHristianity different?

[frostykind]

John 15:8

My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples.

Listen to Jesus.

[frostykind]

The core Christian beleifs, the salvific understanding of Christ is still preserved in most all of those denominations. Why do you look at them as un-united? When I look at them I see the simularities. Belief in Christ as Lord and Savior (God), beleif His death was our to atone for our sin, beleif in His resurrection. They tend to only differ on doctrines of non-salvific importance.

[OneTrueChurch]

Who decides what constitutes a "doctrine of salvific importance"?

[frostykind]

Scripture! And you can not say it isn't clear, for nearly all real Chrisitian churchs follow them. Read Rom. 10:9-10.

[OneTrueChurch]

tell me, do you think that rejection of abortion is a "doctrine of salvific importance"? Can a person be pro abortion and christian at the same time? What about christians who don't consider abortion to be murder?

[frostykind]

Are these people sinning on purpose? They put trust in Christ to forgive them, even from sins they do not know they are commiting. BTW, I'm not for abortion. The problem is people aren't keeping in God's Word.

[OneTrueChurch]

also, what about mormons and Jehovah's witnesses they beleive that jesus is lord, are they saved?

[frostykind]

I believe I already went over this, in a comment from another one of your videos. They do not believe in the "correct" Jesus. Obviously, it is confession and faith in the true Christ that brings salvation.

[OneTrueChurch]

But do you get the point? obviously there are other doctrines that a person must hold in order to be saved other then confessing jesus. Jesus himself said that we need to listen to the church and obey the church Matt 18:17-18.

[frostykind]

You do not have to believe abortion is bad, to gain salvation. Though it is a sinful act, if the individual doesn't know it is, and cofesses Christ Jesus, he/she will still be saved, for ALL their sins (known or unknown to them) will be forgiven.

[OneTrueChurch]

can a chrisitan, knowing that abortion is against the christian faith and still supporting it (like pro-choice polititians)be saved?

[frostykind]

It seems politicians favor the hearts of men and not God. What does it say about the faith of a politician if he recognizes abortion as murder and still supports it? He just put God second. In fact, he probably is only saying he is a Christian to gain votes. A true Christian would try their hardest to please God before men. Remember, most people who proclaim to be Christians will actually go to Hell.

[OneTrueChurch]

so the question remains, is "confessing jesus" the only teaching we have to follow or are tehre otehrs.

[frostykind]

Church here means the local faithful congregation. It is the body of believers who prayerfully and in obedience to the Word that binds disciplinary action apon a person. When that person has repented, the assembly restores his fellowship.

[OneTrueChurch]

its not simply disiplineary action, its also beliefs and practices. Thoughout the bible we also see bishops which are oversers with athority. We also see that there is only one true church. Not 30,000 different denominations all with conflicting doctrines.

[frostykind]

The Church has made many mistakes and had shifting leadership not to mention a great Schism. At one time there was even two opposing colleges of Cardinals and three challenging Popes. God's Church is not physical, it is spiritual, hence; thats why our guide is the Holy Spirit.

[OneTrueChurch]

there were never three opposing popes. there were 3 ppl claiming to be pope but only one of them was the true pope.

Yes the church is physical and visible this is why jesus told us to listen to the church Matt 18:17-18, this is why he gave the apostles the power to bind and loose Matt 16:19, to forgive sins John 20:21-22. In order for a church to have physical authority it needs to be a physical institution

[frostykind]

But the prophets do say the Messiah will be called in character a type to which could be considered a "Nazerean". And even if this was some form of oral tradition, the Apostle here was inspiried by God to know what was true and what was false within such traditions. This does not help tradition here.

[OneTrueChurch]

the church is also guided by the holy spirit to know which oral traditions are true and which are not. Christ tells us to hear the church Matt 18:17-18, but many refuse to listen.

[frostykind]

The OT doesn't say it exactly like that because Matthew wasn't quoting a single prophet. Read my comment again.

[OneTrueChurch]

but the "prophets" never say in the old testament that the messiah will be born in nezareth. you need to admit that this prophesy is an extrabiblical prophesy which is on equal level with the biblical prophesies

[frostykind]

Notice it says "prophets" plural. This indiacates Matthew was drawing his info from more than one source, instead of seeking to quote a single prophet. Nezareth was a place of vice 2000 years ago. (John 1:46) The verse here (Matt. 2:23) literally meaning "He will be despised or rejected." (Isa. 11:1,53:3, Ps. 22:6, 69:8)

[OneTrueChurch]

the point is that nowhere does the OT say that the messiah will be from nezareth. this was a oral tradition handed down by the prophets through word of mouth, it was never written down yet it was just as inspired as the old testament which were written down.

[OneTrueChurch]

speaking of messianic prophesies, another thing to note is that not all of the propheses that jesus fullfilled are recorded in the old testament. For instance in matthew 2:23 it says that jesus fullfilled the prophesy that the messiah will be a nasorean but no where are we told this in the old testament, this was an extra biblical oral tradition.

[frostykind]

Those in Acts 17:11 searched the Scriptures to test if the oral teachings they were taught were right. They were commended and found true belief.

For Scripture is God's word and is the test for all oral teachings. If an oral teaching can not be found in Scripture it is wrong.

[OneTrueChurch]

no where does the bible say "if it is not contained in scripture it is wrong." the bereans where not following sola scriptura they were following scripture + oral tradition. The bereans searched the scriptures to see that jesus fullfilled the messianic prophesies

[frostykind]

We know Scripture can not be broken or pass away, it stands forever. (Is. 40:8, John 10:35, Matt. 24:35, Luke 16:17) However, the same can not be said about tradition. (Mark 7:8-13, Col. 2:8, Matt. 22:29) And Christ place fiath in Scripture for serveal times He corrects errors with "It is written" and teaches what God's word says, never from tradition.

[OneTrueChurch]

the pharisees, followed traditions of men, we follow the traditions of God. Nowhere does the bible say that he need to follow sola scriptura or that scripture is the sole rule of faith. By believing in sola scriptura you are basically saying that we are NOT to follow the oral traditions.

[frostykind]

2 Thess. 2:15 says either by word or by letter. It is implied that both contained the same message and doctrinal teachings respectively, the both were the same. If one differs from the other, one is wrong. Written Scripture has not changed, it has been oral tradition that has differed. Many RCC traditions can not be found in Scripture. The Pharisees made the same mistake. Read Mark 7:1-13

[frostykind]

Historically? Not all the Early Church Fathers agreed on this issue, so why quote only the ones who did? Also, you may be taking a few comments out of context. Just because the word baptism is used, doesn't mean water baptism is meant. Though I wouldn't be surprised that most do mean it. The Scripture is the source to find answers, no man.

[OneTrueChurch]

baptism was one of the issues that the early church fathers were UNANIMOUS on, and they all said that it was nessesary for salvation. I challenge anyone to show otherwise. Yes scripture is the word of God, but God's word is also menifested orally (2 Thess 2:15). The Early Church fathers are an authority on this issue because they were the leaders in the early church and christ tells us that we must listen to the church in order to be considered true believers Matthew 18:17-18