Viktor Petrenko LP 1992 Albertville Winter Olympic Games

[serenakicksass]

All you Wylie crybabies are pathetic. Paul was a nice skater who was ectastic as heck with his silver as he should have been. Had the skating been the level of the 1991 Worlds he would have placed only 6th with the same performances. He was lucky to hit his peak, by far his best performances of his amateur career, at the same event everyone important skated their worst. Whoever had such luck ever. Also if judging was fair he would have lost to Mitchell at Nationals and not been here.

[Algorithm16]

How did this win gold? Four major jumping errors, I can't believe how biased the judging was

[rickram1961]

And Viktor won the Gold for this pathetic LP! Paul Wylie was certainly robbed of the Gold Medal!

[pellebravesskylar]

Nancy Kerrigan had a far more difficult program than Bauil. Although Oksana's program was presented a bit more artistic, she had several two foot landings, sloppy spins & a slower overall presentation. Just wonder why the Viktor supporters also seem to support Oksana's win, too. Bcz such rationale is inconsistent.

[serenakicksass]

@pellebravesskylar No the rational is consistent. Both Viktor and Oksana won since the did other things better (Baiul more performance quality, more soul and beauty, higher solo jumps; Petrenko some more difficult content completed like the triple axel-triple toe, bigger jumps, more speed and power) that compensated for their mistakes and rightly won. If Kerrigan and Wylie were Russians instead of Americans people would probably say Chen and Barna deserved the silvers instead.

[pellebravesskylar]

Petrenko was clearly the better skater of his major competitors - except for this particular night. Nerves perhaps? Elvis probably had the best technical program of the night, Wylie the most artistic. Very odd result in that he won. Still, he had some nice choreography that was kind of distracted by hid costume that almost appeared to become apart. I do find it interesting that very few Viktor supporters condemn the selection of Oksana Bauil a few years later. Nancy zke

[MsPelicanus]

well he won anyway!

[lutz84]

Usually I like to join in the debate about who should have won because it's fun to exchange ideas as long as people don't go fanatic. However, Albertville's mens free skate was definitely the worst since figures were scrapped. I thought the 2 ladies could have given most of the men a run for their money :)

[nickysakitty]

Wylie stepped out of his triple sal and popped the triple lutz. However, Petrenko popped the triple loop, fell out of his triple flip, popped a double axel, and practically fell on the second triple axel.

It is obvious that Wylie deserved the gold.

[cbgflygirl]

I would have given the gold to Paul and the silver to Viktor.

[nightswimmer99]

Viktor should have sued his choreographer (maybe his costume designer as well). He was lucky he had enough tech prowess to sneak that sorry program past a judging panel. Still like him though.

I think he really locked up the gold in the short program. Paul was better overall, but Viktor had those triples...

Viktor and Todd Eldredge had such similar style on the ice. (And injured Todd should have been kept home in favor of Mark Mitchell who also deserved his chance.)

[Blanka1100]

I am from Poland and I fell in love with Victor when I was about 10 years old. Congrats Ukraine for having such a great skater.

[nolaughingmatter]

His 92 Worlds performance made up for this very flawed program.

[rickram1961]

What a disgrace for Petrenko winning the Gold Medal for this pretty shabby performance. Paul Wylie was the true Gold Medalist. 

[avibraslap]

does anyone know the performance after this where he had a girl doll sewn onto his costume? thx

[rickram1961]

Paul Wylie was truly robbed of the Gold Medal which he should of won! Viktor Petrenko was a good skater but I would not rank him as one of the all time great male figure skaters.

[grafgirl27]

@rickram1961 Neither Petrenko or Wylie are among the all time great male skaters. Both are nobodies today, except for their diehard fans. Petrenko is far and away the better and more accomplished skater of the two though.

[galveston]

The 5.9s for artistic impression are RIDICULOUS. I get it that he had more difficulty but his artistic marks got him the win, and that was blatant favoritism.

[zemi25]

Music pls ?

[Marusyafish]

увертюра Raymund (не уверена, что это тоже Раймонда, но не суть - может, родственники ) Амбруаза Тома, балет "Сид" Массне, седьмой вальс Шопена и "Сицилианская вечеря" Верди.

[zemi25]

Thx =*..:D

[Marusyafish]

welkam

[LWOPP]

For some reason I had remembered over the years that this FS was really good, maybe because when I saw VP several times in ice shows later he was always a showstopper. But this program really falls apart halfway through!

[armeniantamara]

looking back, he did niot deserve to medal. I would give him 5.2 for technical and 5.7 for artistic.

Stojko should have won, i would give him 5.9 for tech and 5.6 for artistic

[Marusyafish]

это с какого перепугу-то?

[grafgirl27]

@armeniantamara yes 5.2 for technical merit with a triple axel-triple to combination, ROTFL!! And Stojko a 5.9 for technical merit with no triple-triple combination and so so spins (not saying Petrenko's are great but that is aside the point).  Thank goodness idiots like you arent a judge.

[Zuranthium]

Some of the worst marks we've ever seen right here.

I would have given him 5.4 on technical and 5.6 on presentation.

[MrDolenz]

If they were using the new system then<,I think Petrenko would still have won with Stojko 2nd

[hilljacknutjob]

That was a complete and total disaster.

[salome7580]

I can appreciate Victor's attention to detail and his carriage across the ice. The skaters today just cannot compete with this. Having said that, this performance was stale and uninspiring. The program didn't build to any sort of climax. The music is annoying. I still contend Paul was robbed. I don't care about a jump combination. Paul told a story and every move in his program had a purpose. Victor just threw this together.

[dylanvalente]

Those marks seem really, really high for all the mistakes. The 5.6 was more appropriate. How did they get 5.8s?

[raichmaneuvers]

He still landed 5 triples including a triple axel-triple toe which was much harder than anyone did that night except the 2 quads landed by Urmanov and Barna. Wylie had only 3 totally clean triples, he sort of landed 6 with step outs on half of them, but no triple-triple combination and 2nd triple axel was weak. Barna had a two footed quad, but only 3 triples. Stojko had 8 triples but nothing besides the jumps. Bowman skated well but wasnt in the final flight. The marks made sense.

[cryscars]

Paul Wylie (USA) was ripped off at the '92 Olympics. His program was MUCH better than Viktor's program and he ended up with a Silver medal when he SHOULD have gotten GOLD.

[raichmaneuvers]

Paul Wylie was gifted to even be at the Olympics. Mark Mitchell completely outskated him at Nationals and Wylie was politiked onto the team. As it is he only had 3 clean triples in his program and was lucky to get the scores and placement he did. I could have seen Barna, Bowman, and Stojko all placing over him.

[salome7580]

@raichmaneuvers

Politicked? Many judges behind the scenes had been urging Paul to retire. He was on their sh*t list. This is documented. So to say that he was placed on the Olympic team as a gift is just wrong. I 'm sorry but I just cannot see how Viktor won this. His whole presentation (the outfit, choreography, moves in the field were slovenly). He ran out of gas at about 2:20. We can agree to disagree but there is no need to give a thumbs down to every poster that you take issue with

[raichmaneuvers]

Actually Joe Jackson who was a former U.S judge wrote in his biography that USFSA and many of the other judges conferred to make sure Wylie got on the U.S team even if Mitchell outskated him (assuming Bowman won as expected and Eldredge got a bye as expected).

I doubt very much he would have any reason to make something like that up. So yes Wylie absolutely was politiked onto the U.S Olympic team undeservedly given his skates at Nationals, and a judge from those Nationals confirms that fact.

[salome7580]

So are u suggesting that Wylie is a liar? Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle. I find it funny that you do not criticize Eldridge who received a medical bye. It was very apparent that during his SP he was still injured. Many people had an issue with this. Yet you continue to personally attack Wylie's accomplishment. How about responding to the many critiques people have made about Viktor's LP? It was a very stale and uninspiring program that h used 3 years in a row!!!!!

[salome7580]

I respect that you have a lot of FS knowledge.I'm enjoying our discussion very much.Excluding the 3ax/3toe and lutz combo can u honestly say Viktor's program matched up with Paul's?It really looked like he just threw it together like a stirfry.None of his moves in the field had meaning as Dick Button would say "There was just nothing interesting about this program."If it's all about the jumps why even have music? Just have skaters go out and jump for 4 mins? That's what they r doing now anyway.

[balletmeisterin]

@salome7580 I agree! I've just watched Paul Wylie's short and long programmes - God knows how Victor won with a performance like this. Paul Wylie was robbed of gold!

[serenakicksass]

@balletmeisterin Are you actually implying Paul's short was the best, haha. No way, it was good but Petrenko and Barna were way better in the short. Paul could have easily been placed 4th or 5th in the short behind Urmanov and Stojko who were technically better. The U.S judge who had Wylie 2nd in the short, the only judge who did, was forced to write an explanation as he was under investigation for possible bias by the referee.

[galveston]

@raichmaneuvers What you are saying weren't "clean triples" was the half step/loop between two jumps. Triple, half loop, then the double toe. Paul had two half loops like that in the program. He landed more than three clean triples. Let us tell the truth. Yes, Paul had a *small* bobble or two, but his jumps (while not as ambitious and technically packed as Petrenko's I grant you) were MUCH CLEANER than Petrenko's. Skating will always be subjective, but tell the truth.

[TheWhatsinaname]

@galveston I would agree that if Wylie had landed all of his jumps in his LP cleanly, he would have won the GOLD at the '92 Winter Olympics. I forgot how bad Petrenko actually did in his '92 so-called GOLD medal winning performance at Albertville. I'm a little surprised that the judges didn't mark him down more in scores in the artistic/presentation marks because the lack on technical to me brought down the whole.

[TheWhatsinaname]

@TheWhatsinaname Or maybe that should have been written, Wylie should have won the GOLD. I have often wondered at the time, whether there was an anti-American biases -- partly out of the world view of the President of the U.S. at the time against having a third American man winning the GOLD, at the Olympics, in Wylie --- sort of that the GOLD was placed out of Wylie's reach no matter what he did?

[ja3399]

@TheWhatsinaname Paul Wylie, such a gifted skater, had not ever been able to do 2 strong programs in competition, but Paul finally had his best competition, EVER, in Albertville. Should Paul have got the gold medal? YES. You speak of politics, and I have no idea of what US politicians might have thought of Paul. As much as I liked Viktor's skating, Paul deserved the gold medal here. I would have placed Viktor 2nd.

[TheWhatsinaname]

@ja3399 You mistake what I wrote. I'm not saying any U.S. politician was against or for Paul Wylie. (I think everyone in the U.S. was probably thrilled that Paul did as well as he did do -- although again after watching both performances I can't see how Victor stayed ahed of Paul on the podium). No, what I meant the worldview of then U.S. President George H.W. Bush was one that might have lead to the judges on the panel at the

[TheWhatsinaname]

@TheWhatsinaname 1992 Winter Olympics having a bias against any U.S. man (not just Paul) winning a Gold Medal at those Olympics -- at least for the third time in a row.

I don't know, because I can't change history or go back in time, but do wonder if at the time the U.S President was someone else whether Paul wouldn't faced an adverse judging panel?

[grafgirl27]

@TheWhatsinaname LOL get real. The U.S didnt win in 92 since they clearly didnt have the best skater. Browning and Petrenko were both much better skaters than any American man at the time. Wylie is lucky that Browning, Petrenko, Barna, and his all teammates all were way off their games or he wouldnt have even had a chance to medal. As it was he was gifted to even be on the U.S team, and never should have beaten Mitchell at Nationals.

[psycho9966]

LOL @ the shirt...

[salome7580]

Yeah there is something special about the shirt. lol

[DerekEDM]

What an absolute shame. Didn't even deserve a medal.