I was trying to show how similar their backswings are, yet how different their downswings are. All the discussion in changing Phil's swing was mainly centered around his backswing, but very little about his downswing. I would have focused much more on his downswing using Snead as a model.
Ha...actually I'm an idiot for thinking you might be serious...I saw a guy actually ask that question about sequence photos of Mickelson once. The guy seriously didn't know an image could be flipped.
Lower body does "lead" the downswing in any good swing, but for a swinger rather than a leverager or hitter of the ball, the lower body's going to move less dramatically; there's no real effort to "drive" the lower body. It just responds to the intent to swing the arms and the club. Snead himself said once that he never worked a day in his life on using his legs, but obviously they did work well.
It should be said, too, that you can't really see what's great about Sam's swing--or Phil's, for that matter--by looking through stop-action for positions. You gotta see the motion itself. Good "positions" (whatever the hell those are supposed to be) are just snapshots of good motion.
The thing that's great about Sam and Mickelson's swings are that they're on plane. And that's fairly easy to see at any time, whether it be slow, stop motion, or full speed.
Point is, you don't get swings like this by reading positions and copying them. The reason they look this good at any speed on film, or stopped entirely, is specifically that the motion of the original swing made them look that way. Stop-action and slow-mo are a kind of fiction--useful up to a point instructionally, but only up to a point, and only with a proper view of what they actually represent.
I'll put it this way: When I was teaching, I saw a lot of players who could hit "positions" or keep the club on what they believed was "the right plane," but couldn't hit the ball at all. Every teacher has seen this, esp. among young players, and to my eye it's practically epidemic these days. You see them take the club to certain positions, drive this part of the body or that one, and either the shot is lifeless or it's unrelated to the target. You can see it at every range, every day.
Yeah, for easier comparison. Golf Digest et al. have been doing this for years with various left-handers--Bob Charles, Mike Weir, etc.--and so have some TV networks.
unless im mistaken, which i probably am, it looks like phil waits for an age before letting his lower body get into the downswing, i always thought that the lower body led the downswing
halfway down the swing they both look completely different, Phil has his wrists pointing up for a whole lot longer
MrGeewiz1 9 months ago
I was trying to show how similar their backswings are, yet how different their downswings are. All the discussion in changing Phil's swing was mainly centered around his backswing, but very little about his downswing. I would have focused much more on his downswing using Snead as a model.
jhflog 9 months ago
are you trying to show similarities? because they don't seem to have a whole lot in common besides the position at the top of the swing
thenofxlagwagon 9 months ago
phil is left handed. im pretty sure thats not him.
ztut5 1 year ago
@ztut5 its flipped. thats phil.
clonegolfboy 11 months ago
@ztut5 and if you knew phil good enough youd know thats him in a mirror image dumbass
JKMneutron 10 months ago
phil has one of the ugliest swings on tour
teewoods 1 year ago
looks like the videos were taken at different angles. mickelson also seems to be playin a powerfade, and sneads natural shot is a little pull.
yoonietang 3 years ago
how the hell is he playing righty
bawlsale02 3 years ago
You're kidding, right?
emncaity 3 years ago
yeah completely kidding. good job you picked up on it
bawlsale02 3 years ago
Ha...actually I'm an idiot for thinking you might be serious...I saw a guy actually ask that question about sequence photos of Mickelson once. The guy seriously didn't know an image could be flipped.
emncaity 3 years ago
i guess i should have put an "lol" at the end of my first comment
bawlsale02 3 years ago
Nah, I'm just glad I didn't go off on you when you actually were just joking. Musta been in an extra-good mood that day. ;-)
emncaity 3 years ago
guess so
bawlsale02 3 years ago
Lower body does "lead" the downswing in any good swing, but for a swinger rather than a leverager or hitter of the ball, the lower body's going to move less dramatically; there's no real effort to "drive" the lower body. It just responds to the intent to swing the arms and the club. Snead himself said once that he never worked a day in his life on using his legs, but obviously they did work well.
emncaity 3 years ago
It should be said, too, that you can't really see what's great about Sam's swing--or Phil's, for that matter--by looking through stop-action for positions. You gotta see the motion itself. Good "positions" (whatever the hell those are supposed to be) are just snapshots of good motion.
emncaity 3 years ago
The thing that's great about Sam and Mickelson's swings are that they're on plane. And that's fairly easy to see at any time, whether it be slow, stop motion, or full speed.
Evafan133 3 years ago
Point is, you don't get swings like this by reading positions and copying them. The reason they look this good at any speed on film, or stopped entirely, is specifically that the motion of the original swing made them look that way. Stop-action and slow-mo are a kind of fiction--useful up to a point instructionally, but only up to a point, and only with a proper view of what they actually represent.
emncaity 3 years ago
I'll put it this way: When I was teaching, I saw a lot of players who could hit "positions" or keep the club on what they believed was "the right plane," but couldn't hit the ball at all. Every teacher has seen this, esp. among young players, and to my eye it's practically epidemic these days. You see them take the club to certain positions, drive this part of the body or that one, and either the shot is lifeless or it's unrelated to the target. You can see it at every range, every day.
emncaity 3 years ago
phil allows his hands to extend on the downswing; whereas Snead, like Hogan let his arms follow his hips and fight extension.
devosooner 3 years ago
uhhhhhhhhhh phil right handed ?
whitear12345 4 years ago
didn't they reverse it? like reverse the image?
mashlikesgolfface 3 years ago
Yeah, for easier comparison. Golf Digest et al. have been doing this for years with various left-handers--Bob Charles, Mike Weir, etc.--and so have some TV networks.
emncaity 3 years ago
unless im mistaken, which i probably am, it looks like phil waits for an age before letting his lower body get into the downswing, i always thought that the lower body led the downswing
yoursomuchbetterthan 4 years ago