@miketb42 bullshit, I know fanboys have trouble admitting it, but cabaret voltaire jumped the shark there, they outgrew their experimental phase and lost interest in what they were doing, their creativity dried up and greed took over, they tried to milk the house craze by making this uninspired dance album, they failed, because it's shit, when Stevie Wonder recorded "I Just Called to Say I Love You" I'm sure most fans bought it, still was a terrible song, so is this, the cabs were finished
Hey I really think this a really clever and sophisticated track for it's time.So what if they were into house music? It was the "in" thing at the time ( circa 1987) and the Cabs obviously wanted to be a part of that during that era of their career.Listen, I love everything they did from "Nag Nag Nag" to "Yashar" to "I Want You" so I'm no Johnny Come Lately fan.
This is my favorite song off the Groovy album but this mix is a little soft for me. The album version is much better. I don't know why the cabs starting making the video versions of their songs different from the albums. Check out the video for Here to Go to see what I mean
The "Germany" title on Richard's jacket's sleeve, and Sheffield and Chicago traffic signs in this video are telling the whole electronic/dance music (r)evolution story too. Another very important fact as well as the reason why Cabs' videos were as special as they were!
We know how to tune into this energy and to use it Are you afraid? Hypnotized I can't fight Well it started So I tried To keep drifting To this light I keep thinking I'll hold on To your light And shine on...
(part 2) ...I can't keep away As hard as I try I might be frightened but I'm still hypnotized Hypnotized I can't fight I'm still hypnotized I'm not waiting I'm not tired To shake loose To push by...
(part 3) ...I keep messin' Sometimes I'm not scared Your light shines I can't keep away As hard as I try I might be frightened but I'm still hypnotized Hypnotized I can't fight I'm still hypnotized. ;-)
Do not treat it as spam, please! Its just a proposition recently I found something interesting on youtube; it is called ZHEIMEER, I think its something for people who like strange things!
I love this track -I'm not knocking it at all.All I'm trying to say is that this is way different from say "Nag Nag Nag" or "Sensoria".The Cabs have had a big influence on various strains of modern music since the late 70's and I don't think they are given the credit they deserve.By the way Mallinder spent several years living in my hometown of Perth Australia.
also, remember during this time they were in chicago working with marshall jefferson, they recorded as acid horse "no name, no slogan" with ministry so their industrial roots were still in check..haaaaaaaaaa!!!!
i always find it soooo funny that most people freak out on this period of the cabs music. like most bands, musicians love to progress and bring different styles and influences into their what their doing. the cabs were being influenced by more house sounds at the time (the actual groundwork was set years earlier) so it came as no surprise to most of us who enjoyed their music. funny, but i never heard anyone complaing when genesis and psychic tv went "house!!!"
When Psychic TV went "house", it was a continuation of P-Orridge being a cultural prankster, for instance by making up ridiculous DJ pseudonyms for fake compilation records.
When the Cabs did it, they were just picking up on a trendy sound. Didn't Madonna start using the house sound around the same time?
Yes, she did. "Vogue" from 1990 being the example of that. ...House changed things in music a lot. I think it was a very positive thing after a quite grimy mid '80s period. The overall atmosphere became better, people seemed happier and in-it for a party after years and years again. There was a lot of dancing as well. So, no wonder Cabs did a record like "Groovy, Laidback And Nasty" at all. Who could stay miserable in a crazy and positive atmosphere like this at all?...
I will confess that when this first came out, I was not fond of it. But, I think part of why is that I had only gotten into CV the year before, so all I had were the "middle" period records from 2x45 - The Drain Train and was expecting more like the Drain Train... but to be honest, it's grown on me. Groovy Laid Back and Nasty is probably my 2nd favorite of the Cab's records.
@miketb42 Heh, well it was a pretty extreme shift for groups like Psychic TV / Chris & Cosi to come from the Throbbing Gristles days to the acid house stuff, or Cabaret Voltaire's experimental roots to this. I dunno, I like it all. It all has it's place.
No, everything's alright, landibabe. Your fantstic reply got me thinking, actually. And I like that... Also, you've nailed the whole electronic music production stuff here as well and lots of it is true. ...For example, listening to the Cabs "Methodology '74/'78. The Attic Tapes" box set I could hear the exact sounds that were vastly being used in both, house and techno of the late '80s/early '90s. Could you too? And equipment question is totally irrelevant (t)here...
...And yes, it is true that many '80s synthpop/ebm/techno bands wanted to create the techno sound of the '90s and that all/most of them failed indeed. There's still loads to be said about that admittedly very wide question and I'll stop here.
P.S. And it is always interesting to see "Groovy, Laidback And Nasty" causing so much mess and devided opinions as no other CV album recorded before or since too.
the cabs had for example emu systems emulators...a thing we were always dreaming of 'cause they where very expensive at the time...you dont need more than that to produce any kind of electronic music.. no 808, 909, 303 needed here!
it may be true that kirk mentioned that in interviews...but it's complete and utter bullshit! (sorry the words!)most of the ebm, synthpop and techno bands from the eighties tried to make music like the technos from the nineties...but all (most) of them failed!!!...they just couldn't sound like 90ies technos..they always had to many song structures and to cheap beats in it!
that's why bands like front 242 do retro concerts (back to the roots tour), this is what they can...!
I do understand what you meant by that. To be honest when I first heard "Groovy, Laidback And Nasty" it was some kind of shock to me as well as I previously got used to the Cabs with Mal's shouting whispery voice and Kirk's music in the vein of "I Want You" et al too.
Yes, it's true that they weren't house originators indeed but it was all because they didn't have equipment to create that sound at the time. Kirk mentioned that a couple of times in his/their interviews...
hmmmm.....i am producing techno and house music myself for about 20 years...it never had to do with equipment! you dont have to have any special equipment to produce house or lets say electronic music of any kind!
I think that "Groovy, Laidback And Nasty" is one of the finest HOUSE albums ever, up with Bomb The Bass' "Into The Dragon" and 808 State's both "808:90" and "Ex:El", which is why I don't have any problems with their '90s phase at all. Those are upgraded intelligent house beats you can listen to at home as well. Mal never sounded as warm and as hearthrobbing as on it too. "...I might be frightened but I'm still hypnotised..." always takes me away!
I have always thougth that Cabaret Voltaire was alot about image too, sure, Kirk was the master musician, but what is he today without Mallinder? Just a fool recording under so many names that nobody recognises him anymore. Mallinder was the voice, the direction, the image. But that's just my opinion. ^^
There is so much to say to that. But Kirk certainly is not a fool. If you had heard some of his solo works whether they were released under his own name or others, he's still as profilic as he's ever been. He surely had his reasons for that. Stick to a content rather than a name! ;-)
yes but richard still has alot to say and still makes good music. yes, maybe the cabs became a bit "industrial lite" before breaking up (the conversation, etc.)but they still left their mark on a vital form of underground music. if you get a chance, read up on the reasons they actually called it a day and check out richard's solo releases again. sometimes you hear things better the second time around....
The Conversation is a great ambient CD! I think the thing is Cabaret Voltaire tried all kinds of things and kept calling it Cabaret Voltaire. I guess Im not a big fan of Groovy Laidback And Nasty but I like how even though they are trying to do something more accessible it's still got those age old CV touches, even in the video. Kirk sitting there in the car all dead pan in the face and all the animation of the city and stuff is very similar to the other videos.
i do not realy prefer this era of cv, but it's ok. being from chicago it's cool to see the hometown footage. i got to meet mal at chicago trax. super nice guy. signed my industrial culture handbook, he signed for richard who was to busy to come out. i had him use a industrial marker, that got a few laughs...
@miketb42 bullshit, I know fanboys have trouble admitting it, but cabaret voltaire jumped the shark there, they outgrew their experimental phase and lost interest in what they were doing, their creativity dried up and greed took over, they tried to milk the house craze by making this uninspired dance album, they failed, because it's shit, when Stevie Wonder recorded "I Just Called to Say I Love You" I'm sure most fans bought it, still was a terrible song, so is this, the cabs were finished
quaxk 1 year ago
So innovative ... brilliant stuff and thanks for this upload.
Cheers,
Caran
CiaranPaulRoche 1 year ago
Daniel Millar Mix
bocchi2008 1 year ago
LOVE THIS SONG! painful/cool Memories ! cabs in any of their "eras" are innovative and leaders!
MrHavok29 1 year ago
Guy called Gerald mix is awesome too!
SuperBongo420 1 year ago
Hey I really think this a really clever and sophisticated track for it's time.So what if they were into house music? It was the "in" thing at the time ( circa 1987) and the Cabs obviously wanted to be a part of that during that era of their career.Listen, I love everything they did from "Nag Nag Nag" to "Yashar" to "I Want You" so I'm no Johnny Come Lately fan.
abagail4me 1 year ago
didnt a guy called gerald do a mix of this,anyone?
audilab 1 year ago
@audilab
Yes, he did.
You can check it on the 3 disc "Conform To Deform '82/'90" box-set. ;-)
TheMercyBeat 1 year ago
This is my favorite song off the Groovy album but this mix is a little soft for me. The album version is much better. I don't know why the cabs starting making the video versions of their songs different from the albums. Check out the video for Here to Go to see what I mean
fstop77 1 year ago
Wow. This mix is horrible. The album version is 10x more groovy, laidback, and nasty. Just sayin'.
4evernate28 2 years ago
i THINK i may have heard this once, sometime. its been hiding in my brain for years.
xxxIzekeIxxx 2 years ago
Loved this album..one of my all time favourites..wish they'd get back together.
zillionairemark 2 years ago
The "Germany" title on Richard's jacket's sleeve, and Sheffield and Chicago traffic signs in this video are telling the whole electronic/dance music (r)evolution story too. Another very important fact as well as the reason why Cabs' videos were as special as they were!
TheMercyBeat 2 years ago
Somehow too far from their early sound line-up!!
DeusXLMII 2 years ago
Indeed!!
Those were the crucial places in electronic music (r)evolution as each produced the next big thing i.e. chapter.
TheMercyBeat 2 years ago
mc hammer @ 0:50
FahtimaHatima 3 years ago
no, it's ten city
muteboyuk 2 years ago
ten city rocks
oldcomforter 2 years ago
the quality could be better
Poeppi81 3 years ago
"We know how to tune in to this energy...and to use it"
1:56
Lateralus281 3 years ago
TheMercyBeat 3 years ago
TheMercyBeat 3 years ago
TheMercyBeat 3 years ago
Sounds like Timothy Leary.
antonooooo 2 years ago
This is the crusty track ever
gerodeo 3 years ago
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Do not treat it as spam, please! Its just a proposition recently I found something interesting on youtube; it is called ZHEIMEER, I think its something for people who like strange things!
Check it out!
tyhfs432 3 years ago
I love this track -I'm not knocking it at all.All I'm trying to say is that this is way different from say "Nag Nag Nag" or "Sensoria".The Cabs have had a big influence on various strains of modern music since the late 70's and I don't think they are given the credit they deserve.By the way Mallinder spent several years living in my hometown of Perth Australia.
abagail4me 3 years ago 2
oh this one is crap!
Leitmotivation 3 years ago
also, remember during this time they were in chicago working with marshall jefferson, they recorded as acid horse "no name, no slogan" with ministry so their industrial roots were still in check..haaaaaaaaaa!!!!
miketb42 3 years ago
i always find it soooo funny that most people freak out on this period of the cabs music. like most bands, musicians love to progress and bring different styles and influences into their what their doing. the cabs were being influenced by more house sounds at the time (the actual groundwork was set years earlier) so it came as no surprise to most of us who enjoyed their music. funny, but i never heard anyone complaing when genesis and psychic tv went "house!!!"
miketb42 3 years ago 5
When Psychic TV went "house", it was a continuation of P-Orridge being a cultural prankster, for instance by making up ridiculous DJ pseudonyms for fake compilation records.
When the Cabs did it, they were just picking up on a trendy sound. Didn't Madonna start using the house sound around the same time?
antonooooo 2 years ago
Yes, she did. "Vogue" from 1990 being the example of that. ...House changed things in music a lot. I think it was a very positive thing after a quite grimy mid '80s period. The overall atmosphere became better, people seemed happier and in-it for a party after years and years again. There was a lot of dancing as well. So, no wonder Cabs did a record like "Groovy, Laidback And Nasty" at all. Who could stay miserable in a crazy and positive atmosphere like this at all?...
TheMercyBeat 2 years ago
...I wish to be able to return to that period (late '80s/early '90s) again. There was a lot of enthusiasm and optimism in the air those days.
TheMercyBeat 2 years ago 7
@miketb42
I will confess that when this first came out, I was not fond of it. But, I think part of why is that I had only gotten into CV the year before, so all I had were the "middle" period records from 2x45 - The Drain Train and was expecting more like the Drain Train... but to be honest, it's grown on me. Groovy Laid Back and Nasty is probably my 2nd favorite of the Cab's records.
EscherVox 1 year ago
@miketb42 Heh, well it was a pretty extreme shift for groups like Psychic TV / Chris & Cosi to come from the Throbbing Gristles days to the acid house stuff, or Cabaret Voltaire's experimental roots to this. I dunno, I like it all. It all has it's place.
danielsimonon 1 year ago
Great! They lost their "industrial" sensibilities on this one but Mallinder's soulful crooning and the overall funkiness make it worth listening to.
abagail4me 3 years ago
Featured on:
"Groovy, Laidback And Nasty" album (1990)
TheMercyBeat 3 years ago
B-sides trivia:
"Hypnotised (Gerald's Vocal Mix)"
"Hypnotised (Fon Force Dub)" - a 12'' release track only
"Hypnotised (Daniel Miller Dub Mix)" - a 12'' release track only
"Hypnotised (Robert Gordon Mix)" - a 12'' release track only
"Hypnotised (Fon Force Mix)" - a 12'' release track only
"Hypnotised (Western Works Mix)" - a 12'' release track only
TheMercyBeat 3 years ago
Video directors trivia:
This video is made by Peter Care.
TheMercyBeat 3 years ago
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Chart trivia:
Chart entry date: 04/11/1989
Highest chart position: UK#66
Weeks on chart: 2
Run: 66-72
Album: Groovy, Laidback And Nasty
Label: Parlophone Records/EMI
...if anyone cares.
TheMercyBeat 3 years ago
Trop beau,dada disco...
lapiveauthentic 3 years ago
is this nsync?
devilsweat138 3 years ago 2
sorry mercybeat my answers all got mixed up...
you'll get it if you read it from botton to top...
landibabe 3 years ago
No, everything's alright, landibabe. Your fantstic reply got me thinking, actually. And I like that... Also, you've nailed the whole electronic music production stuff here as well and lots of it is true. ...For example, listening to the Cabs "Methodology '74/'78. The Attic Tapes" box set I could hear the exact sounds that were vastly being used in both, house and techno of the late '80s/early '90s. Could you too? And equipment question is totally irrelevant (t)here...
TheMercyBeat 3 years ago
...And yes, it is true that many '80s synthpop/ebm/techno bands wanted to create the techno sound of the '90s and that all/most of them failed indeed. There's still loads to be said about that admittedly very wide question and I'll stop here.
P.S. And it is always interesting to see "Groovy, Laidback And Nasty" causing so much mess and devided opinions as no other CV album recorded before or since too.
TheMercyBeat 3 years ago
The CABS always innovated...... "Groovy, Laidback And Nasty" was no different.
alphaville99 4 years ago
They wouldn't be called innovators if they kept on doing the same thing over and over again, would they? ;-)
TheMercyBeat 3 years ago
the cabs had for example emu systems emulators...a thing we were always dreaming of 'cause they where very expensive at the time...you dont need more than that to produce any kind of electronic music.. no 808, 909, 303 needed here!
landibabe 3 years ago
it may be true that kirk mentioned that in interviews...but it's complete and utter bullshit! (sorry the words!)most of the ebm, synthpop and techno bands from the eighties tried to make music like the technos from the nineties...but all (most) of them failed!!!...they just couldn't sound like 90ies technos..they always had to many song structures and to cheap beats in it!
that's why bands like front 242 do retro concerts (back to the roots tour), this is what they can...!
landibabe 3 years ago
wtf? whats the innovation of copying a trend made at the clubs way before groovy, laidback and nasty came out??
sounds like a second class stock aitken and waterman release!
sorry as much as i love the cabs...this is the absolute deepest point they've been!
landibabe 3 years ago
I do understand what you meant by that. To be honest when I first heard "Groovy, Laidback And Nasty" it was some kind of shock to me as well as I previously got used to the Cabs with Mal's shouting whispery voice and Kirk's music in the vein of "I Want You" et al too.
Yes, it's true that they weren't house originators indeed but it was all because they didn't have equipment to create that sound at the time. Kirk mentioned that a couple of times in his/their interviews...
TheMercyBeat 3 years ago
...The album was partly recorded in Chicago(!) with Marshall Jefferson(!).
But comparing it to some other artists' house albums at the time (1990) it tops them all over.
TheMercyBeat 3 years ago
hmmmm.....i am producing techno and house music myself for about 20 years...it never had to do with equipment! you dont have to have any special equipment to produce house or lets say electronic music of any kind!
landibabe 3 years ago 2
Oh the memories . Thats Ten City in the video BTW.
ressla 4 years ago
and Marshall Jefferson
ressla 3 years ago
...and Lil "French Kiss" Louis and Kym Mazelle!
TheMercyBeat 3 years ago
I think that "Groovy, Laidback And Nasty" is one of the finest HOUSE albums ever, up with Bomb The Bass' "Into The Dragon" and 808 State's both "808:90" and "Ex:El", which is why I don't have any problems with their '90s phase at all. Those are upgraded intelligent house beats you can listen to at home as well. Mal never sounded as warm and as hearthrobbing as on it too. "...I might be frightened but I'm still hypnotised..." always takes me away!
TheMercyBeat 4 years ago
pretty,aint he?
maciejoooooooooooooo 4 years ago
YES!, you think so too?
I have always thougth that Cabaret Voltaire was alot about image too, sure, Kirk was the master musician, but what is he today without Mallinder? Just a fool recording under so many names that nobody recognises him anymore. Mallinder was the voice, the direction, the image. But that's just my opinion. ^^
Blodqvist 3 years ago
There is so much to say to that. But Kirk certainly is not a fool. If you had heard some of his solo works whether they were released under his own name or others, he's still as profilic as he's ever been. He surely had his reasons for that. Stick to a content rather than a name! ;-)
TheMercyBeat 3 years ago
yes but richard still has alot to say and still makes good music. yes, maybe the cabs became a bit "industrial lite" before breaking up (the conversation, etc.)but they still left their mark on a vital form of underground music. if you get a chance, read up on the reasons they actually called it a day and check out richard's solo releases again. sometimes you hear things better the second time around....
miketb42 3 years ago
The Conversation is a great ambient CD! I think the thing is Cabaret Voltaire tried all kinds of things and kept calling it Cabaret Voltaire. I guess Im not a big fan of Groovy Laidback And Nasty but I like how even though they are trying to do something more accessible it's still got those age old CV touches, even in the video. Kirk sitting there in the car all dead pan in the face and all the animation of the city and stuff is very similar to the other videos.
TheLittleDevil 2 years ago
noooo! what the hell
i dont want to see this!
bastardita 4 years ago
this is so lol. oh man.
InfinityDose 4 years ago
i do not realy prefer this era of cv, but it's ok. being from chicago it's cool to see the hometown footage. i got to meet mal at chicago trax. super nice guy. signed my industrial culture handbook, he signed for richard who was to busy to come out. i had him use a industrial marker, that got a few laughs...
tripbrother 4 years ago