Botsford is a self-deluded arrogant presumptuous twit. How long before he comes out of the closet? Why is he seeking to infect others with his oppressive disease of self-loathing repression?
The same God who inspired her songs..is the same God who is still with her today. If God wasn't in her life, those songs would of never come about. I am so proud that she is being honest..that is so hard to do knowing you could be hated for it. Love wins out.
This is why I hate the Christian music industry. The fans are okay with you, as long as you live according to their traditional church beliefs. If you deviate from that in any way, expect to lose half your fanbase overnight. It's the same thing that happened to Amy Grant, and so many others. For any music artist looking to go professional, here is a little tip: KEEP IT SECULAR.
The Bible talks about men sleeping together as they would with a woman, but they don't sleep the same as women and men, the dynamics are completely different. Also the Bible says NOTHING about two WOMEN sleeping together, and yees, I HAVE read the Bible.
Bob Botsford is just slapping Jennifer in the face! He is treating her so cruel by thinking he is helping her. You may disagree with her sexual orientation, but what he did is not loving! Shame on him.
If you live by the Biblical Law and use it as a standard to make others unworthy, then you too will also judged by the Biblical Law. If you live by Grace, then you will also be shown Grace. We are called to live by Grace.
I never comment on anything that isn't funny, but: saying you can't base descisions on feelings? That's ignoring the way we were created to be, first of all.
Second? It was okay for pastor guy to make a descision about who to love based on his natural instincts, & not Jennifer? Come on, really? I'm a Christian, & I don't know where I stand on homosexuality. If it's a sin, who are we to cast stones? Did you die for my sin? No? Okay. So why do you feel you have a right to an opinion about it?
If this pastor wants to base what he does on facts rather than feelings, perhaps he should not have married his wife as the bible favors celibacy over marriage anyways...
Dear Pastor Bob: Jesus said "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others."
Praying in secret and then telling the world that you did it is a cry for attention and pride. I hope you will turn from your evil, counter-Biblical ways.
Maybe I'll record a youtube video of me praying for you and post it. :)
I love how evangelicals can read quote the Bible in pointing out other people's sins in a blog while ignoring the Biblical precedent to confront the person one on one first is beyond me. Botsford, to me, just seems so arrogant in this and so convinced of his own righteousness. "Felt led". "Prayed for her...". Please. The cameras are rolling, time to show the world how awesome you are in Jesus name. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy, but his body language gives the picture of an arrogant soul.
The word translated here as "homosexual offender" is the Greek word arsenokoites which means a sodomite, a person who engages in any kind of unnatural sex, but especially homosexual intercourse. Some believe this use of arsenokoites referred specifically to the men who kept catamites, but that is not certain.
This verse has been translated in as many different ways as there are different versions of the Bible, so we have to look at the original Greek to see what Paul was really saying. According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon, the word translated here as "male prostitute" is the Greek word malakos which literally means "soft to the touch." However, it was used metaphorically in a negative way to refer to a catamite (a boy kept for sexual relations with a man) or to a male prostitute in general.
"...Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." (NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11)
I dont believe in god, but sometimes I wonder why people think they know what their god thinks? Do they eat dinner with god sometimes and thentalk about whats wrong and wright? Why do they think they have the right to jurge like that?
Jesus loves homosexuals too. Christians have no place to judge anyone. Being Christian does not make you any better than any one else, because inevitably you will keep sinning.
So much to critisize, but such little word limit. But the part where he said he doesnt like to 'base' 'decisions on feelings' but rather 'facts'. If thats the case why isnt he Athiest. Regardless of whether or not the Christian worldview is accurate it still can not be supported by facts(unless your definition of 'fact' is something completly different'). His sensibilities and scriptures are not facts
Fucking hypocrite. SHE'S the one looking up the real meaning of the Greek translation. YOU'RE the one with the knee-jerk "but homo-sex is sin!" reaction.
Not to mention, you know, the actually scientific facts around homosexuality. The ones that prove it to be as normal, natural, and healthy as heterosexuality.
That was really douche-y of him to say that "the church & Christianity made her famous." And, really, it breaks his heart? Yeah, right. That is a lie. Don't pretend to have feelings you don't have.
She's really well spoken, and does a very good job of getting her points across and not be upset. It's hard to be called out like that and respond so well, quite impressive
Why do people have such issues with simply saying someone is in a same-sex relationship? That pastor sounds so uncomfortable saying that she is with a woman.
i disagree with one comment she made, i fee love isnt a choice. as well as homosexuality or heterosexuality. love happens before you whether u like it or not. its bigger than any of us.
I think Mr. Botsford is so arrogant to assume he knows how God feels and how God loves. He applies human limitations to God, who has no limitations on love.
Don't use His word to justify fear, hatred or judgment, for the sake of your own souls. Using scripture to hate someone is called Witchcraft in the Bible as well. When everyone found out we were no longer believers they dehumanized us in order to feel more comfortable, about rejecting us. we were no longer believers we are heathen perverts..
PART 2 The only curse I see is Christianity telling my family that rejection is part of their ticket to heaven. After all God rejects us so so should you if you wanna be like Him. Christians like Pastor Bob are responsible, for our broken spirits for pushing us from using our gift for Gods glory. The only thing that I ever felt guilty for was that I didnt feel guilty. However, I felt unworthy to serve God the way that I am and so I stopped.
PART 1It is very wrong for Christians to suggest that she cant have faith or worsip God. Pastor Bob has said, that she doesnt really have anything to sing about. I understand the pressure to reject us. The fear of not doing the "right" thing. However, hating and judging us is not your ticket to righteousness. I believed with all my heart that I was "healed," but I fell in love with a woman in Church, in groups. Its easy to ignore sex but not love.
Christians always say "I love the sinner but hate the sin." Why dont christians follow what Jesus taught? Love the sinner and hate your own sins and when you have cleaned all the sin out of your own life you can go after the sins in your brother´s life.
A person's opinion, whatever it may be, does not matter...whether you believe the the super-right-wing side of (*severe hillbilly accent-w/-redneck-rage-rant*) "all gays are going to burn for-ev-ah!" or the super-left-wing side of "you MUST love us, AND agree with everything we say, or OMG, you're a *shudder & dramatic whisper* ...homo-phobe!" Whatever, It. Does. NOT. Matter. In the end, it's up to God, and no personal opinion of man can or will change His truth. Deal with it.
@ihatekoolaid14 i agree to an extent. but we have to look at the reality of peoples opinions. if we dont speak up agst what we believe in as true, we dont grow. i am gay, and i speak when needed to. if we never spoke up, we wouldnt be winning the race to freedom. but i do agree that in the end its GOD that proves us all right or wrong and its ok, this is how we learn.
I love how she sits there and smirks like him like, "Oh, man. This guy -- you're such a douchebag. You're on TV being a douchebag and you don't even know."
The bible is written by man. Man has twisted it into his own beliefs. God will not send a gay person to hell. Being gay is not a choice. If you think it is a choice, then you change into being gay so you can feel how a gay person feels. Saying gay people are going to hell is evil. God says no evil or negative for being who you are. I am not gay. I listen to my heart and God. Stop preaching hate. God does not want this, I promise you this. This is how wars are started.
Growing up UBER Christian myself, Very small minded, refusing to see anything but what my "Christian Religious Blinders" would allow me to see out of FEAR of Hell Fire and Damnation, I allowed "Religion" to Control my one turn on earth much like Satan wished to do causing the infamous "War in Heaven". I now am a Recovering Christian that sees ALL and realizes now that "The Anti-Christ" we have all been looking for and pointing fingers at here and there, was in REALITY Religion Itself!!
i beleive being a christian, having that faith is personal...u know GOD on a personal level, n only he knows your heart. its between her n GOD in the end! *i for one still like her music!*
Sin is sin. Those same people who are running their mouths are or could be fat for example, so they over eat and thus food has become an idol and that is sin as well. If I say "God dammit to hell, some of a bitch"...well that is sin too. God loves her and knows her heart and it is up to God to judge her not me or you. If you really want to mess up the Bible, let a human interpret it.
I was kicked out of my church, because of what the bible said "cast the wicked man out from among you, God will judge those on the outside, are we not to judge on the inside. So it was just me and God. My faith has grown so much and now I am what "they" call "universalistic". I love Jesus and he and God love me now, even more than ever and has shown me so much more now! I finally understand what unconditional love and unearned mercy and grace are!
@hooponoponogirlz and what said is i was too. last year to be exact, me a a girl i was seeing at the church we both were going to made a mistake and we had sex, more than once. the pastor, the associate pastor, and the entire church staff made us break up and told me to leave and never come back. for crying out loud, what has gotten into the church these days. its like they go after the "big sin" but their little sin means nothing. God help today's churches.
Way to go Bob on dodging the question: why can't Jennifer choose to love a woman? Notice how he stutters there and redirects the question. Classic Christian evasion to logic.
This guy is coming off as a self deceived idiot...he's jealous that Jennifer Knapp can be a lesbian and still be a Christian. He thinks still remaining a sinner isn't ok with God (he died for sins) so he feels compelled to point out others' sins. Sinners are who we are. If she's really a lesbian, she can't change that. She can try but she'll only become miserable by not being who she is. This guy is like a satan trying to keep her from the true love of God which is acceptance. Pharisee
"Oh I'll pray for you"- translation- "I deem what you're doing as wrong simply because I do not understand it and I hope that by my saying I will pray for you , you will feel guilty for the things that make you different from me and that you will change. How very hypocritical and pathetic...we are not called to Judge we are called to love...
this brings me down a bit... how dare she be judged! Bob Botsford fails as a pastor if he's going to judge like he is... pastor... not judge... pastor... not counselor... "I'll pray for you" I am a christian and that phrase offends even me.. People who judge often say "I'll pray for you" I hate that phrase... okay geeze thanks pray for me if you'd like ..if you honestly think that what i am doing is wrong...go ahead... pray... but do not flaunt it...
This guy's really bad at making his case. He's too soft, and hedges too much... of course the deck is stacked against him, as he has to take on two people, King jumps in and fights too... Knapp is better equipped for this debate
The biggest problem I have with guys like mr.. botsford is they think that being a pastor can substitute for being a counselor or a psychologist. Obviously not, please don't judge christians based on this douchebag!
Well said -- I feel sorry for those who are so stuck in Biblical Literalism, they can not see the hope, love and grace in the God. -- that is why they are so judgmental of others - Not all Christians are like this
@innocencetube here here! LOL, but I don't know if I would use the word douchebag, in regard to a minister...just to be on the safe side. :-) But I agree that we all have differences in beliefs and faiths...her lifestyle choice or sexuality as others may call it, is between her and God. To judge her would bring certain judgement for ourselves. I am not willing or able to put myself on that pedestal. God bless her and keep her. My opinion on her lifestyle is irrelevant in regards to faith.
You Tubers, listen carefully to this video. What a poor and sorry person Bob is. So much to say. He is not capable of leading, speaking on the subject or talking to one in a manner of love. Definitely a sorry representative of Christ and the Church. Just a plain miserable example of a follower of Christ. Overall, Bob does have alot to learn. What a disappointment Bro. All you did was get in the way. But thankful to God the Spirit speaks to all people who seek His truth.
@SuchIsLifeVideos That's pretty much the same as "We love you, but hate your sin!' That equals "I hate your sin, and you, but I'm so great, I'll love you anyway." lolz.!
Funny the pastor says he doesn't believe in feeling, but fact. Yet faith is nothing more than a feeling, in my opinion. There is no hard fact god is real, or the bible is true. Actually, the evidence against is overwhhelming. The world would be a better place without religion and closed minded people that follow things on nothing but faith, the ultimate cop-out.
@eingraham81 - I can see how you feel on religion. Man has made religion into what it is. I believe the true gospel of Christianity is to love thy neighbor as if they were you. This message is seemingly lost in Christianity to other laws in the faith. If peopel would just love others as self, the world would be a better place.
Jennifer: start studying seriously the Bible, it's origins, it's direct contradictions (read B. Ehrman), it's primitive iron-age view of the world. Think seriously about it's concept of hell and if you would condemn your friends and family to spend eternity there for something they believed or didn't believe. I was a christian and missionary for 46 years, and once I started to really examine the basis for my faith, it dissolved like snowflakes in the hot sun. I now FREE! You can be too . . .
He wants to base his views on 'facts". bwahahahahahaaaaa!!! Says the guy who believes God wrote a book and had a son who was aslo himself, had his own kid murdered{who was also himself- suicide} and then his boy{who is him} became the livinf dead and flew like a birdy into outer space and will one day return to kill off all those who don't worship him{good or bad} and allow a small portion of beeings to kiss his ass servily forever! LoL!!!!
He says he prayed for her, but she's still gay. Yet another example that prayer does nothing. | Good job on Larry saying "you mean he did everything but that?"
@angelwhite when you asked your parents for something, did you always get what you asked for? or did they say "no" to you sometimes? just because he prayed and she's still gay, that doesn't mean that prayer doesn't work. it only means that God didn't say "yes" to his prayer.
I think this is something we don't have the right to judge. It does say in the Bible that man should not lay with man. As a Christian we should love Jennifer, continue to pray for her and her relationship with the Lord. Let the Lord do the work in her life, and let us not hurt her with our own judgement. Christ loves her and forgives her, we should do the same. A sin is a sin.
The problem is Religion to begin with wether it says or not, we know everyone got their own interpretation of the Bible, Quran or whatever holy book you believe in. Christians tend to focus soo much on Homosexuality what about Divorce what about all the other stuff, that is equilavant to homosexuality that this pastor does everyday. My point here is that, we are no more different from other species we are just more clever evolved JK read Darwin then you dont need to worry
This is hilarious. Look how different these English bible translations are of the same verse. NIV: Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
Living Bible: Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden, for it is an enormous sin. Haha. Not to be pompous here, but I speak Greek and German fluently and when I read the Greek version of the bible, not one word in it means Homosexuality! Not even close! I don't even read English bibles anymore. They're horribly translated.
One of the facts is if Christians do not see plainly in the bible that same gendered persons can be in a relationship of love, then some Christians will not think it's acceptable. In some ways, there faith is based on what they see on the bible pages. If they don't see it, it ain't so to them.
I wonder what pastor Bob thinks of the fact that biblical marriage is so often polygamous and to underage girls. Oh wait, I actually don't since it's bound to be tedious and irrelevant.
I have struggled with the same thing all my life. I have never been with a man and I am 38. There was no "choice" in how I've felt all of my life, my attraction to women, the choice was wether to follow it or not. It is and has been as natural to me as heterosexuality is to heterosexuals. I have been involved deeply in the church for at least 7-8 years. I love God. We are always "in the works", it doesn't mean he's done with me or anyone else. He may choose to reveal it, He may not.
@Lauralynne151 I can completely relate..it's difficult to know what to believe..i dont have a clue what i think on this topic anymore. But then maybe thats why its all about faith and trust. Hopefully we'll find enlightenment through the holy spirit eventually.
she decieves herself like so many rebellious people who attempt to proof text their death style... I can't believe that she trying to use the whole, "in the Greek..." argument.. lame.
@SuchIsLifeVideos - I believe words were changed and translations mistranslated. Read the book The Jesus Secret by Michael Wood. Even The Jerome Conspiracy. Very good books.
@SuchIsLifeVideos - That's exactly right. A lot of Christian don't believe that becasue they want to believe that God would protect the originial bible, but we don't have the original bible. We have translations of translations. Have you read The Jerome Conspiracy or The Jesus Secret by Michael Wood? I would, if I were you. Good reads for those who want to know more.
@EnChristosEime4life AND yes she does have a very valid point. Look at the King James Version, which is supposed to be the 1st version since the Greek and Hebrew text. The word "homosexual" or "homosexuality" is not used, it says effeminate. Look up that word in the Greek and Hebrew concordance, it doesn't mean "homosexual". Look for the word "homosexual" or "homosexuality" in the Greek and Hebrew concordance, it is not in there. So yes, good point Jennifer!
@Lauralynne151 - Exactly. And the word "effeminate", in English, could refer to a straight or gay man. However, in the Greek, I think it's something totally different.
I got an idea. Let me give you a holy book translated from its original language[s] into yours. You have to trust that I'm giving you a correct translation. Good luck. As someone who knows biblical Greek [and is learning biblical Hebrew/Aramaic] I can tell you that textual integrity was not high on most translators' lists.
I love how they bring in Ted Haggard as the voice of reason here. Its like he has religious "street cred" now that he got busted having meth fueled gay sex. You just have to love the guy hehe.
... if god invented marriage, it's selling your daughters off to some man for a donkey or grain. That's what it was once in the past.
And that ending was priceless. She shoulda been like 'God said that even lustfully looking at a woman was sinful, and you can't tell me you didn't give me a once over when I walked in here, so why am I not chastising all men on national television for this grievous sin that they commit every day?'
LET EVERYONE WORK OUT THEIR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING. WE ARE NOT GOD. ONLY GOD CAN SEE THE HEART AND HE WILL JUDGE RIGHTEOUSLY THE HEARTS OF ALL OF US...love. the only answer is love.
Those are opinions of Human Beings. Not of GOD. Human Beings have no possible position to replicate the faith of GOD. NOT even a priest. A priest is a HUMAN BEING. Not GOD. Just a representative.
Why not ask all of the Pedophile priests and GAY priests to come out and see what they do?
I have always liked her music, I am so disheartened by the hypocrisy of the church and christians, God is the judge but Bot man is totally judgeing her, so why???
6:50 - he says "god gave me a choice". but god DID NOT give you a choice if you are not ALSO attracted to men. there was no "choice" for you. its not like you were t tempted by men but simply decided not to satisfy that urge. there was no choice for you because you are not attracted to men. there was no choice for HER because she is not attracted to men.
so either admit, pastor, you've had gay urges, or shut up about choice. the only choice is sexual repression or natural biology
@nubbs sooooo true an people just dont get that, i tried to argue this point the other day but i dont have ur way with words so messed it up next time i will defo use wot u said haha x
I love how they use the whole 'everybody has a choice' spiel. That has to mean that they could have chosen the same sex, which of course, they'll deny, lest they be 'bisexual'. They want the cake, and to eat it, too. Conservative Evangelicals are pigs.
@gustjorodedheo, It is no coincidence that the Fundementalist Evangelical Christians who berate and condemn Homosexuals are often times the ones who have the most skeletons in their own closets.
@micahsheppa She def deserves our support! When good role models like her come out it shows our gay youth who are struggling with all the hateful messages from people like pastor Bob that they can be who they are and be happy!!! I have to say Larry is awesome in this interview!!!
Props to Jennifer Knapp
seanstrnad 5 days ago
Botsford is a self-deluded arrogant presumptuous twit. How long before he comes out of the closet? Why is he seeking to infect others with his oppressive disease of self-loathing repression?
TheDevilsScribe 1 month ago
This guy is an asshole...you go Jennifer!
greeneyes2164 2 months ago
gotta love how larry interrupted him and hardly let him talk.
Hisgraceisanocean 3 months ago in playlist More videos from SuchIsLifeVideos
The same God who inspired her songs..is the same God who is still with her today. If God wasn't in her life, those songs would of never come about. I am so proud that she is being honest..that is so hard to do knowing you could be hated for it. Love wins out.
gaygal2 3 months ago
This is why I hate the Christian music industry. The fans are okay with you, as long as you live according to their traditional church beliefs. If you deviate from that in any way, expect to lose half your fanbase overnight. It's the same thing that happened to Amy Grant, and so many others. For any music artist looking to go professional, here is a little tip: KEEP IT SECULAR.
pwoods100 4 months ago
Religious people are so stupid.
sh00008 4 months ago
The Bible talks about men sleeping together as they would with a woman, but they don't sleep the same as women and men, the dynamics are completely different. Also the Bible says NOTHING about two WOMEN sleeping together, and yees, I HAVE read the Bible.
IanRene1 4 months ago in playlist Jennifer Knapp
Bob Botsford is just slapping Jennifer in the face! He is treating her so cruel by thinking he is helping her. You may disagree with her sexual orientation, but what he did is not loving! Shame on him.
ecdact 5 months ago
The holy book of convoluted thoughts, twisted reason, and inconsistent judgements can be your guide book to social chaos.
JusticeIsWhere 5 months ago
If you live by the Biblical Law and use it as a standard to make others unworthy, then you too will also judged by the Biblical Law. If you live by Grace, then you will also be shown Grace. We are called to live by Grace.
lucasboden 6 months ago
I never comment on anything that isn't funny, but: saying you can't base descisions on feelings? That's ignoring the way we were created to be, first of all.
Second? It was okay for pastor guy to make a descision about who to love based on his natural instincts, & not Jennifer? Come on, really? I'm a Christian, & I don't know where I stand on homosexuality. If it's a sin, who are we to cast stones? Did you die for my sin? No? Okay. So why do you feel you have a right to an opinion about it?
skrodevoli1984 6 months ago
If this pastor wants to base what he does on facts rather than feelings, perhaps he should not have married his wife as the bible favors celibacy over marriage anyways...
violetvelvet 7 months ago
This guy needs desperately to study linguistics actually most christians should because most don't know how to read.
NathanSpellman 7 months ago
everyone mind your own business.
Your own personal relationship with God is more important then worrying about whether other people follow or not.
All you can do is tell them the good news and you really cant do anymore
dejavu3552 8 months ago
Dear Pastor Bob: Jesus said "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others."
Praying in secret and then telling the world that you did it is a cry for attention and pride. I hope you will turn from your evil, counter-Biblical ways.
Maybe I'll record a youtube video of me praying for you and post it. :)
willtravelforfood 9 months ago
I love how evangelicals can read quote the Bible in pointing out other people's sins in a blog while ignoring the Biblical precedent to confront the person one on one first is beyond me. Botsford, to me, just seems so arrogant in this and so convinced of his own righteousness. "Felt led". "Prayed for her...". Please. The cameras are rolling, time to show the world how awesome you are in Jesus name. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy, but his body language gives the picture of an arrogant soul.
willtravelforfood 9 months ago
The word translated here as "homosexual offender" is the Greek word arsenokoites which means a sodomite, a person who engages in any kind of unnatural sex, but especially homosexual intercourse. Some believe this use of arsenokoites referred specifically to the men who kept catamites, but that is not certain.
teeizhot 10 months ago
This verse has been translated in as many different ways as there are different versions of the Bible, so we have to look at the original Greek to see what Paul was really saying. According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon, the word translated here as "male prostitute" is the Greek word malakos which literally means "soft to the touch." However, it was used metaphorically in a negative way to refer to a catamite (a boy kept for sexual relations with a man) or to a male prostitute in general.
teeizhot 10 months ago
"...Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." (NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11)
teeizhot 10 months ago
Botsford = closet gay
Svperstarr 10 months ago
@Svperstarr haha, I was just thinking he looks like one...
manegirlsu 4 months ago
If she could "choose" to be gay, then logically Botsford should be able to choose to like men.
Does that sound logical to you?
Greatkingrat88 11 months ago
I love how this pastor is getting torn up by a journalist who knows only the basic knowledge of the bible.
Matthewcoakley08 11 months ago
I dont believe in god, but sometimes I wonder why people think they know what their god thinks? Do they eat dinner with god sometimes and thentalk about whats wrong and wright? Why do they think they have the right to jurge like that?
sweetgirl468 11 months ago
Jesus loves homosexuals too. Christians have no place to judge anyone. Being Christian does not make you any better than any one else, because inevitably you will keep sinning.
The only difference is the hope you have.
JocundCrow 11 months ago
So much to critisize, but such little word limit. But the part where he said he doesnt like to 'base' 'decisions on feelings' but rather 'facts'. If thats the case why isnt he Athiest. Regardless of whether or not the Christian worldview is accurate it still can not be supported by facts(unless your definition of 'fact' is something completly different'). His sensibilities and scriptures are not facts
1982mockingbird1982 1 year ago
Pastor Bob needs to shut the fuck up!
bcharmer16 1 year ago
There are over 1 million verses in the bible, only 6 talk about sexuality. So why is sexuality always the sticking point for most Christians?
mixmmick 1 year ago
@mixmmick homophobia?? closet gays?? both?? :)
mufc1luv 10 months ago
"That's a great question" "That's why we asked it." lol
mikea731 1 year ago
UGH.. GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!! -__-
nmania3 1 year ago
i dont think the pastor knows the definition of omnipotent
ohheroine 1 year ago
Her failing isn't that she's gay, it's the fact that she keeps her Christian faith that makes me disappointed in her.
ddrgenius 1 year ago
"Base your belief on facts, not feelings."
Fucking hypocrite. SHE'S the one looking up the real meaning of the Greek translation. YOU'RE the one with the knee-jerk "but homo-sex is sin!" reaction.
Not to mention, you know, the actually scientific facts around homosexuality. The ones that prove it to be as normal, natural, and healthy as heterosexuality.
Islander255 1 year ago
"amen!" pastors are definitely NOT psychologists. Huge difference. One being the fact that pastors often try so hard to look cool. heehee.
lisalooism 1 year ago
That was really douche-y of him to say that "the church & Christianity made her famous." And, really, it breaks his heart? Yeah, right. That is a lie. Don't pretend to have feelings you don't have.
lisalooism 1 year ago
"judge not"... and so on
Hondarider464 1 year ago
I love her, regardless, of her sexual orientation.
Her music and lyrics are Spirit filled.
Her choice or nature is between her and God.
PillowMethod 1 year ago
I'm a gay christian, but before I'm gay I am Christian. God loves me, nobody can tell me different.
Burlap2Cashmere 1 year ago
She's really well spoken, and does a very good job of getting her points across and not be upset. It's hard to be called out like that and respond so well, quite impressive
heyitscrystal 1 year ago
go jennifer knapp! do your thing!
bigforrents 1 year ago
4:01 it appears Botsford has still not actually looked at Knapp...but she looked at him...
pennypyro42 1 year ago 4
@pennypyro42 he's ridiculous.
wonkywonkerson 7 months ago
@pennypyro42 because his words are cowardice and awful
KyaniDave 4 months ago
Why do people have such issues with simply saying someone is in a same-sex relationship? That pastor sounds so uncomfortable saying that she is with a woman.
zabc19 1 year ago
i disagree with one comment she made, i fee love isnt a choice. as well as homosexuality or heterosexuality. love happens before you whether u like it or not. its bigger than any of us.
dorianstark 1 year ago
I think Mr. Botsford is so arrogant to assume he knows how God feels and how God loves. He applies human limitations to God, who has no limitations on love.
kentfgunn 1 year ago
I can't stand pastors like him!
alterbridgefan99 1 year ago
Don't use His word to justify fear, hatred or judgment, for the sake of your own souls. Using scripture to hate someone is called Witchcraft in the Bible as well. When everyone found out we were no longer believers they dehumanized us in order to feel more comfortable, about rejecting us. we were no longer believers we are heathen perverts..
NorakaPeaches 1 year ago
PART 2 The only curse I see is Christianity telling my family that rejection is part of their ticket to heaven. After all God rejects us so so should you if you wanna be like Him. Christians like Pastor Bob are responsible, for our broken spirits for pushing us from using our gift for Gods glory. The only thing that I ever felt guilty for was that I didnt feel guilty. However, I felt unworthy to serve God the way that I am and so I stopped.
NorakaPeaches 1 year ago
PART 1It is very wrong for Christians to suggest that she cant have faith or worsip God. Pastor Bob has said, that she doesnt really have anything to sing about. I understand the pressure to reject us. The fear of not doing the "right" thing. However, hating and judging us is not your ticket to righteousness. I believed with all my heart that I was "healed," but I fell in love with a woman in Church, in groups. Its easy to ignore sex but not love.
NorakaPeaches 1 year ago
Christians always say "I love the sinner but hate the sin." Why dont christians follow what Jesus taught? Love the sinner and hate your own sins and when you have cleaned all the sin out of your own life you can go after the sins in your brother´s life.
alexander76rw 1 year ago
@alexander76rw Well said!
briandaldridge 1 year ago
I just love how people like to act like they're so perfect and do no wrong and want to pass judgment on everyone else. It's idiocy.
Mystin857 1 year ago
A person's opinion, whatever it may be, does not matter...whether you believe the the super-right-wing side of (*severe hillbilly accent-w/-redneck-rage-rant*) "all gays are going to burn for-ev-ah!" or the super-left-wing side of "you MUST love us, AND agree with everything we say, or OMG, you're a *shudder & dramatic whisper* ...homo-phobe!" Whatever, It. Does. NOT. Matter. In the end, it's up to God, and no personal opinion of man can or will change His truth. Deal with it.
ihatekoolaid14 1 year ago
@ihatekoolaid14 i agree to an extent. but we have to look at the reality of peoples opinions. if we dont speak up agst what we believe in as true, we dont grow. i am gay, and i speak when needed to. if we never spoke up, we wouldnt be winning the race to freedom. but i do agree that in the end its GOD that proves us all right or wrong and its ok, this is how we learn.
dorianstark 1 year ago
I still love Jennifer! She is an amazing artist and I know she loves God!
diva4life2189 1 year ago
I love how she sits there and smirks like him like, "Oh, man. This guy -- you're such a douchebag. You're on TV being a douchebag and you don't even know."
spreadtheawesome 1 year ago
"I wanna base decisions on facts"
I literally lol'd when I heard that one.
DrBaldhead 1 year ago
I'm so proud of Jennifer for facing the Christian critics so bravely.
Aprilv3339 1 year ago
The bible is written by man. Man has twisted it into his own beliefs. God will not send a gay person to hell. Being gay is not a choice. If you think it is a choice, then you change into being gay so you can feel how a gay person feels. Saying gay people are going to hell is evil. God says no evil or negative for being who you are. I am not gay. I listen to my heart and God. Stop preaching hate. God does not want this, I promise you this. This is how wars are started.
chrismontoya79 1 year ago
Growing up UBER Christian myself, Very small minded, refusing to see anything but what my "Christian Religious Blinders" would allow me to see out of FEAR of Hell Fire and Damnation, I allowed "Religion" to Control my one turn on earth much like Satan wished to do causing the infamous "War in Heaven". I now am a Recovering Christian that sees ALL and realizes now that "The Anti-Christ" we have all been looking for and pointing fingers at here and there, was in REALITY Religion Itself!!
raftnkayak 1 year ago
i beleive being a christian, having that faith is personal...u know GOD on a personal level, n only he knows your heart. its between her n GOD in the end! *i for one still like her music!*
twyllaluvsme 1 year ago
Sin is sin. Those same people who are running their mouths are or could be fat for example, so they over eat and thus food has become an idol and that is sin as well. If I say "God dammit to hell, some of a bitch"...well that is sin too. God loves her and knows her heart and it is up to God to judge her not me or you. If you really want to mess up the Bible, let a human interpret it.
s1mp13m4n 1 year ago
Larry King is why CNN is famous....i fucking love him...LOL
and that pastor is being hypercritical he can kiss my ass.
y35n00b5 1 year ago
I was kicked out of my church, because of what the bible said "cast the wicked man out from among you, God will judge those on the outside, are we not to judge on the inside. So it was just me and God. My faith has grown so much and now I am what "they" call "universalistic". I love Jesus and he and God love me now, even more than ever and has shown me so much more now! I finally understand what unconditional love and unearned mercy and grace are!
hooponoponogirlz 1 year ago
@hooponoponogirlz and what said is i was too. last year to be exact, me a a girl i was seeing at the church we both were going to made a mistake and we had sex, more than once. the pastor, the associate pastor, and the entire church staff made us break up and told me to leave and never come back. for crying out loud, what has gotten into the church these days. its like they go after the "big sin" but their little sin means nothing. God help today's churches.
thisismethisiswhoiam 1 year ago
Way to go Bob on dodging the question: why can't Jennifer choose to love a woman? Notice how he stutters there and redirects the question. Classic Christian evasion to logic.
jesiesinlove 1 year ago
This guy is coming off as a self deceived idiot...he's jealous that Jennifer Knapp can be a lesbian and still be a Christian. He thinks still remaining a sinner isn't ok with God (he died for sins) so he feels compelled to point out others' sins. Sinners are who we are. If she's really a lesbian, she can't change that. She can try but she'll only become miserable by not being who she is. This guy is like a satan trying to keep her from the true love of God which is acceptance. Pharisee
NocturnalExistence 1 year ago
Oh wow....did..he just say God didnt make Adam and Steve..? wow...he is an idiot..
triqutra3 1 year ago
"Oh I'll pray for you"- translation- "I deem what you're doing as wrong simply because I do not understand it and I hope that by my saying I will pray for you , you will feel guilty for the things that make you different from me and that you will change. How very hypocritical and pathetic...we are not called to Judge we are called to love...
rockercat91 1 year ago
this brings me down a bit... how dare she be judged! Bob Botsford fails as a pastor if he's going to judge like he is... pastor... not judge... pastor... not counselor... "I'll pray for you" I am a christian and that phrase offends even me.. People who judge often say "I'll pray for you" I hate that phrase... okay geeze thanks pray for me if you'd like ..if you honestly think that what i am doing is wrong...go ahead... pray... but do not flaunt it...
rockercat91 1 year ago
This guy's really bad at making his case. He's too soft, and hedges too much... of course the deck is stacked against him, as he has to take on two people, King jumps in and fights too... Knapp is better equipped for this debate
JaboBabo 1 year ago
@JaboBabo Again, great analysis!
flypejose 1 year ago
The biggest problem I have with guys like mr.. botsford is they think that being a pastor can substitute for being a counselor or a psychologist. Obviously not, please don't judge christians based on this douchebag!
innocencetube 1 year ago
@innocencetube Well to be fair xtians are.....well....um not sure how to put it but er yeah they dont deal in logic
myjizzureye 1 year ago
@innocencetube Yes, I agree
maryemackey 1 year ago
i remember meeting her years back and i totally love her no matter what!
afiscreaminstar 1 year ago
@innocencetube VERY well said!
cvgsusfreak08 1 year ago
@innocencetube
Well said -- I feel sorry for those who are so stuck in Biblical Literalism, they can not see the hope, love and grace in the God. -- that is why they are so judgmental of others - Not all Christians are like this
purplelady21 1 year ago
@innocencetube here here! LOL, but I don't know if I would use the word douchebag, in regard to a minister...just to be on the safe side. :-) But I agree that we all have differences in beliefs and faiths...her lifestyle choice or sexuality as others may call it, is between her and God. To judge her would bring certain judgement for ourselves. I am not willing or able to put myself on that pedestal. God bless her and keep her. My opinion on her lifestyle is irrelevant in regards to faith.
frogshell2 10 months ago
You Tubers, listen carefully to this video. What a poor and sorry person Bob is. So much to say. He is not capable of leading, speaking on the subject or talking to one in a manner of love. Definitely a sorry representative of Christ and the Church. Just a plain miserable example of a follower of Christ. Overall, Bob does have alot to learn. What a disappointment Bro. All you did was get in the way. But thankful to God the Spirit speaks to all people who seek His truth.
thenewday1 1 year ago
You go girl!!! Love is LOVE!!!!!! I am with you and so is God!
cynthiaAZchic 1 year ago
HAHAHA - gustjorodedheo, i have to agree.
jaiyk2133 1 year ago
jennifer knapp is my new hero
xtalktolabombx 1 year ago
@SuchIsLifeVideos That's pretty much the same as "We love you, but hate your sin!' That equals "I hate your sin, and you, but I'm so great, I'll love you anyway." lolz.!
gustjorodedheo 1 year ago
so if being gay is a sin, is it any worse then lying or cheating? all sins are sins, and one sin isn't any less sinful then another.
bugsyr0se 1 year ago
"This of course, is people speaking for the lord." OMG! I love that! Everybody can put words in God's mouth! Hilarious! Thumbs Up!
gustjorodedheo 1 year ago
Pastor Bob makes me want to throw up.
rockel1986 1 year ago
Funny the pastor says he doesn't believe in feeling, but fact. Yet faith is nothing more than a feeling, in my opinion. There is no hard fact god is real, or the bible is true. Actually, the evidence against is overwhhelming. The world would be a better place without religion and closed minded people that follow things on nothing but faith, the ultimate cop-out.
eingraham81 1 year ago
@eingraham81 What is the evidence against God being real?
MGamble34 1 year ago
@eingraham81 - I can see how you feel on religion. Man has made religion into what it is. I believe the true gospel of Christianity is to love thy neighbor as if they were you. This message is seemingly lost in Christianity to other laws in the faith. If peopel would just love others as self, the world would be a better place.
JimmieLeeLyrics 1 year ago
Jennifer: start studying seriously the Bible, it's origins, it's direct contradictions (read B. Ehrman), it's primitive iron-age view of the world. Think seriously about it's concept of hell and if you would condemn your friends and family to spend eternity there for something they believed or didn't believe. I was a christian and missionary for 46 years, and once I started to really examine the basis for my faith, it dissolved like snowflakes in the hot sun. I now FREE! You can be too . . .
portwes 1 year ago
hhahah that guy is such a retard.
jennifer wants to like burst into laughter hahahah im laughing
LESBIAN PRIDE
pinkhott29 1 year ago
He wants to base his views on 'facts". bwahahahahahaaaaa!!! Says the guy who believes God wrote a book and had a son who was aslo himself, had his own kid murdered{who was also himself- suicide} and then his boy{who is him} became the livinf dead and flew like a birdy into outer space and will one day return to kill off all those who don't worship him{good or bad} and allow a small portion of beeings to kiss his ass servily forever! LoL!!!!
Iconoclastithon 1 year ago
i REALLY want to hit "Pastor Bob" -.- i hate close minded people like him
CloneOfLuffy 1 year ago
@CloneOfLuffy AGREE!! :)
liveloud77 1 year ago
He says he prayed for her, but she's still gay. Yet another example that prayer does nothing. | Good job on Larry saying "you mean he did everything but that?"
angelwhite 1 year ago
@angelwhite when you asked your parents for something, did you always get what you asked for? or did they say "no" to you sometimes? just because he prayed and she's still gay, that doesn't mean that prayer doesn't work. it only means that God didn't say "yes" to his prayer.
benpalm1 1 year ago
Good for you Jennifer... the true fans and none judgmental fans love you and always will!
KyliesMom415 1 year ago
I think this is something we don't have the right to judge. It does say in the Bible that man should not lay with man. As a Christian we should love Jennifer, continue to pray for her and her relationship with the Lord. Let the Lord do the work in her life, and let us not hurt her with our own judgement. Christ loves her and forgives her, we should do the same. A sin is a sin.
kelamram 1 year ago
I have a girlfriend I love her very much. And I love God as well! And He LOVES me!
dirt311 1 year ago
zacky89 1 year ago
This is hilarious. Look how different these English bible translations are of the same verse. NIV: Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
Living Bible: Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden, for it is an enormous sin. Haha. Not to be pompous here, but I speak Greek and German fluently and when I read the Greek version of the bible, not one word in it means Homosexuality! Not even close! I don't even read English bibles anymore. They're horribly translated.
mzzzhedison 1 year ago
One of the facts is if Christians do not see plainly in the bible that same gendered persons can be in a relationship of love, then some Christians will not think it's acceptable. In some ways, there faith is based on what they see on the bible pages. If they don't see it, it ain't so to them.
JimmieLeeLyrics 1 year ago
I wonder what pastor Bob thinks of the fact that biblical marriage is so often polygamous and to underage girls. Oh wait, I actually don't since it's bound to be tedious and irrelevant.
MillsApparatus 1 year ago
I have struggled with the same thing all my life. I have never been with a man and I am 38. There was no "choice" in how I've felt all of my life, my attraction to women, the choice was wether to follow it or not. It is and has been as natural to me as heterosexuality is to heterosexuals. I have been involved deeply in the church for at least 7-8 years. I love God. We are always "in the works", it doesn't mean he's done with me or anyone else. He may choose to reveal it, He may not.
Lauralynne151 1 year ago
@Lauralynne151 I can completely relate..it's difficult to know what to believe..i dont have a clue what i think on this topic anymore. But then maybe thats why its all about faith and trust. Hopefully we'll find enlightenment through the holy spirit eventually.
KadieWho 1 year ago
Did he really just say "Adam and Steve"? Really!?
DalisYT 1 year ago
she decieves herself like so many rebellious people who attempt to proof text their death style... I can't believe that she trying to use the whole, "in the Greek..." argument.. lame.
EnChristosEime4life 1 year ago
@EnChristosEime4life Actually she has an excellent point. Do your research. Words were changed in translation.
SuchIsLifeVideos 1 year ago
@SuchIsLifeVideos - I believe words were changed and translations mistranslated. Read the book The Jesus Secret by Michael Wood. Even The Jerome Conspiracy. Very good books.
JimmieLeeLyrics 1 year ago
@SuchIsLifeVideos - That's exactly right. A lot of Christian don't believe that becasue they want to believe that God would protect the originial bible, but we don't have the original bible. We have translations of translations. Have you read The Jerome Conspiracy or The Jesus Secret by Michael Wood? I would, if I were you. Good reads for those who want to know more.
JimmieLeeLyrics 1 year ago
@SuchIsLifeVideos - I believe they were changed also. Read The Jesus Secret by Michael Wood or The Jerome Conspiracy by the same author.
JimmieLeeLyrics 1 year ago
@EnChristosEime4life AND yes she does have a very valid point. Look at the King James Version, which is supposed to be the 1st version since the Greek and Hebrew text. The word "homosexual" or "homosexuality" is not used, it says effeminate. Look up that word in the Greek and Hebrew concordance, it doesn't mean "homosexual". Look for the word "homosexual" or "homosexuality" in the Greek and Hebrew concordance, it is not in there. So yes, good point Jennifer!
Lauralynne151 1 year ago
@Lauralynne151 - Exactly. And the word "effeminate", in English, could refer to a straight or gay man. However, in the Greek, I think it's something totally different.
JimmieLeeLyrics 1 year ago
@EnChristosEime4life In the Greek is a better argument then Adam and Steve.
mybloodypatton 1 year ago
@EnChristosEime4life
I got an idea. Let me give you a holy book translated from its original language[s] into yours. You have to trust that I'm giving you a correct translation. Good luck. As someone who knows biblical Greek [and is learning biblical Hebrew/Aramaic] I can tell you that textual integrity was not high on most translators' lists.
gustjorodedheo 1 year ago
what a ridiculous little man
slotstik 1 year ago
This certainly makes you question why you believe what you believe.
carosene 1 year ago
I love how they bring in Ted Haggard as the voice of reason here. Its like he has religious "street cred" now that he got busted having meth fueled gay sex. You just have to love the guy hehe.
markbattelle 1 year ago
... if god invented marriage, it's selling your daughters off to some man for a donkey or grain. That's what it was once in the past.
And that ending was priceless. She shoulda been like 'God said that even lustfully looking at a woman was sinful, and you can't tell me you didn't give me a once over when I walked in here, so why am I not chastising all men on national television for this grievous sin that they commit every day?'
mathmexican4234 1 year ago
he wants to base things on facts...the bible cannot be fact by definition
sagelfn 1 year ago
"i don't think that it's wise for any of us to base our decisions on feelings"
lol oh yea... that makes sense...? ...wait... what?
ohohnoy 1 year ago
"But hes omnipotent right? So he also created homosexuality?"
"*look of oh crap!* umm, no.. I, I, don't think he did."
"He didn't? He did everything but that?"
I lol'd
Spoon81508 1 year ago
LET EVERYONE WORK OUT THEIR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING. WE ARE NOT GOD. ONLY GOD CAN SEE THE HEART AND HE WILL JUDGE RIGHTEOUSLY THE HEARTS OF ALL OF US...love. the only answer is love.
2Bonita08 1 year ago
Those are opinions of Human Beings. Not of GOD. Human Beings have no possible position to replicate the faith of GOD. NOT even a priest. A priest is a HUMAN BEING. Not GOD. Just a representative.
Why not ask all of the Pedophile priests and GAY priests to come out and see what they do?
inilledra 1 year ago
I have always liked her music, I am so disheartened by the hypocrisy of the church and christians, God is the judge but Bot man is totally judgeing her, so why???
mulidy 1 year ago
6:50 - he says "god gave me a choice". but god DID NOT give you a choice if you are not ALSO attracted to men. there was no "choice" for you. its not like you were t tempted by men but simply decided not to satisfy that urge. there was no choice for you because you are not attracted to men. there was no choice for HER because she is not attracted to men.
so either admit, pastor, you've had gay urges, or shut up about choice. the only choice is sexual repression or natural biology
nubbs 1 year ago
@nubbs Well said!!!
SuchIsLifeVideos 1 year ago
@nubbs sooooo true an people just dont get that, i tried to argue this point the other day but i dont have ur way with words so messed it up next time i will defo use wot u said haha x
themossy1 1 year ago
@nubbs
I love how they use the whole 'everybody has a choice' spiel. That has to mean that they could have chosen the same sex, which of course, they'll deny, lest they be 'bisexual'. They want the cake, and to eat it, too. Conservative Evangelicals are pigs.
gustjorodedheo 1 year ago
@gustjorodedheo, It is no coincidence that the Fundementalist Evangelical Christians who berate and condemn Homosexuals are often times the ones who have the most skeletons in their own closets.
LordMalice6d9 1 year ago
How does a Christian say he bases decisions on facts? Like Johna and the Whale, and Noahs Ark? What an idiot.
Svperstarr 1 year ago
I am so going to go out and buy all her albums!
micahsheppa 1 year ago
@micahsheppa She def deserves our support! When good role models like her come out it shows our gay youth who are struggling with all the hateful messages from people like pastor Bob that they can be who they are and be happy!!! I have to say Larry is awesome in this interview!!!
SuchIsLifeVideos 1 year ago