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  • The story goes that most of the people attending had no idea that Moon was about to crown himself as the messiah or God. Those attending thought it was just another boring phony humanitarian award ceremony which it would be in their political and social interests. They didn't know Moon was using the people attending to give himself more legitimacy. Moon's idea of Family is that he and his wife are the true mother and father of all humankind. Is he just crazy or greedy or deluded???

  • ok. this guy had 3 wives and gone to jail.... and you call him God? doesn't make sense.

  • This is all about the luciferian dream of a one world government and one world religion.It is the same BS that the UN is trying to do.These people are dangerous and want to depopulate the planet by at least 80% it has nothing to do with peace,it has everything to do with Power and control.You will see religions come together in the name of man but in reality it is in the name of lucifer and I don't mean Satan in the biblical sense they do not believe in Satan but Lucifer as the coming messiah!

  • @2wheels88 And how have you come to that conclusion? Have actually studied his teachings? Or have you just made all of your conclusions up inside of your mind?

  • @JCForeverr Don't need to i have studied these globalist pigs for 6yrs about 10-16 hours a day including weekends.Most eastern philosophies and new age stuff is all from the same source.Don't be fooled,the answers are within not from some guru!

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  • moon has said jesus failed in his mission , so god appointed him to "finish" the work lol

  • @fhab525, this teaching is very similar to that of illuminati dispensationalism of evangelicalism: Jesus has not completed his mission and there is still something to be done: second coming will complete this mission. Today's Christians believe that after the second coming Jesus will establish his kingdom, so they do not believe the kingship of Christ now fully.

  • what in the world?

  • Google since when Rev Moon has talked or pays for others to talked. 2011-More Wars Still Talk, A Crown 4 Rev Moon.

    Join-the-dot, Faith Defenders.

    NamasTE.

  • PEACE Crown????

    Scuffy, a possible Fourth Reich Propaganda Puppet. 

  • Bravo for posting this amazing and virtually unbelievable video! The world needs to see this one! Rev. Moon surpasses Billy Graham, Franklin Graham, Oral Roberts and John Hagee for hubristic egotism. What fools those Congressmen, Rabbis, Imams and Ministers were to submit themselves to the laughable "coronation" in the Dirksen Senate Office Building!! But, that one was topped by Rev. Moon's "coronation" of Jesus. This hubris is so extreme that is sheer unadulterated madness on steroids.

  • So, where should I have Moon's insignia imprinted: my right hand, or my forehead?

    MOON IS AN IMPOSTER AND A FRAUD.

  • why you always complaining about reverend moon. teaching. we cannot realy connect to god without first submitting ourselves to the messiah. just like in the politics. you cannot direct to the mayor. so please open our minds and heart. this our opportunity. nobody can save our lives only the messiah. reverend moon is the second coming of christ. for us being a moonies we are not rejecting jesus christ or mohamad buddha but we reverend moon are the who understand and continue the mission christ.

  • Stop worshiping men and start worshiping God.

    No real man of God would have people worshiping him because it is in blatant violation of Biblical principles.

    No matter how "enlightened" or "spiritual" a person may appear you should NOT worship them.

    Repent of your blatant IDOLATRY and worship the living God Who has the power to destroy both your body and your spirit in "The second death"

  • O DR. REVERENDO SUN MYUNG MOON É O FILHO DE DEUS QUE VOLTOU.VENCEU A CRUZ.VENCEU SETE MORTES E DEUS O RESSUSCITOU SETE VEZES!! ELE É VITORIOSO E DESTRUIU O DIABO! ELE É DE DEUS VEM DE DEUS.É O SENHOR DOS SEGUNDO ADVENTO!! ELE TROUXE A SALVAÇÃO FÍSICA E ESPIRITUAL DA HUMANIDADE,NOS DEUS A LINHAGEM DE SANGUE DE DEUS!

  • And Jesus answering them, began to say: "Take heed that no man deceives you.

    For many will come in My name saying, 'I am HE,' and will deceive many."

    Mark 13:5-6

    Brothers and sister in Christ Jesus...pray that the demonic bonds holding these Moon followers be broken in the name of Jesus!

    JESUS IS THE DELIVERER

  • @missionarymayn then let me ask you; who are you to judge people whom you never knew?

    We believe that there is no other man living on earth who understands Jesus and Gods heart deeply than Reverend Moon.

  • Matthew 24:23-28 clears things up a bit.

    READ THE BIBLE YOURSELF!!

    Don't let others INTERPRET the Bible for you!

  • @missionarymayn you cannot interpret the bible by your self, you need enormous amount of prayers and incredible faith and most especially the guidance of Holy Spirit to fully understand the bible.

  • GLORY!!GLORY!!OH GLORY FOR GOD.FOR TRUE PARENTS.DOCTOR REV.MOON IS THE MESSHIA IS THE SUN OF GOD JEOVÁ.THE VICTORIUS SUN OF GOD.OUR LIBERTATION! GOD BLESS TRUE PARENTS!

  • @tonyguimaraes04 I'm afraid you're wrong bro....read Matthew 24:23-28....

    These are the LAST DAYS.....Like all false prophets and false Christs, this man is demon-influenced.

    The second -coming of Christ will be exactly like it is in the Bible.

    DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!

  • Hi romanakid1 may I first say that I enjoyed the music that you uploaded NOW I REPEAT no man has done so much may God bless this man and his family any man who strives for the unification of the world under God I will take a bullet for them romankid I don't really understand what your trying to say or achieve you see the thing is be you for or against doctor Moons life and teachings are and will continue to change the world whether we like it or not
  • w000tt go Moon!

  • watch?v=kzYfy5qMrSs

  • no man has done so much

    may God bless this man and his family

  • @royrodel He's a depraved egotist. Many men have done much, much, much more.

  • madness

  • @Jesusistheonlyway905 Pure evil.

  • A real messiah doesn't need to label themselves as such. Besides anyone who still believes that nonsense deserves to follow this guy off the cliff.

  • @shrams23 RE: "...off the cliff" You've hit the nail on the head. That's the difference between

    loving the Unification Church and not. These people, I have experienced myself, have all gone

    off the cliff of self defense and entered a world which many previously thought would be their doom

    to enter. A world where people live in order to give love away even if it seems unbearable. That, I truly

    believe, is the very motivation of each of True Parents' followers every morning and every night.

  • I'm just wondering what makes everyone so sure? I did some research. Rev Moon DOES HAVE a lot of businesses, but that doesn't mark him as the target of aggression. What really riles people is the fact that he calls himself the second messiah, and people believe him. But whose choice but the one believing is it to believe that?

  • True Parents have inherited the love of God and have liberated the suffering heart of God. Enough foundation is laid for the world to change rapidly in the next few years. The world of peace and love is coming, unstoppably! We are so blessed!

  • CREEEEPY AS HELL. This guy is famous for his pikareun acts, right?

  • For those who have not heard it yet: Rev Moon is the Messiah, the Lord of the second Advent, standing in the position of True Parents, together with his wife.

    Blessed are those who realize this. We are so blessed !

  • @brunoklotz For those like you- go to the bathroom- wash your face with cold water and wake up from your stupidity..if you believe in Messiah..than read bible- its clear-Jesus!! only him who come for the 2nd event..if you dont believe in Jesus..than its no such a thing as 2nd coming..even for moon....than Jesus never sinned and your scammer was convicted how many times? holly people sinless and your "true Parent" full of crap

  • @totallywinx1

    Haha, I think you forgot that Jesus was sentenced to death.

    Judge not so you wont be judged.

  • @brunoklotz ...According to Bible-Jesus sent to dead for being innocent.. According to records Moon had criminal records- its huge difference...and by the look on "christ moon" he not planning to sacrifice himself for you..ha ha..funny ..you believe in him, but he not believe in you..thats funny!! Jesus didnt have billion bank account and scammer moon sit on the tron in gold crown..Jesus said all come to me..did Moon ever invite u to his house? case closed- open your eyes and work for ur family.

  • @totallywinx1

    The funny thing is that the people at Jesus time did NOT see him as innocent. You would probably have been one of them who crucified Christ. Think about that ! My last words to you. Fed up of wasting my time.

  • @brunoklotz if you that "fed up" as u claiming you would not respond at all..seems you like fight and try to brainwashing me forcefully your "korean jesus" crap..again your moron Moon is not Christ and never will be he is A Devil in sheep skin as bible said and Jesus said about like him..dont ever put christan religion or jesus in the same line with that crap you worshiping in....NEVER SAY JESUS AND moon in THE SAME LINE..OK PSYCHO

  • @WarriorChild2020 In 2013, you'll see that Rev. Moon is the Messiah. You want to know the truth? Read the Divine Principle. hsabooks com then you have the rest of the books that he has written for you to learn. Nothing can compete with the teachings of Unificationism. The bible has a lot of puzzles and it can be interpreted in many different ways. That part of the bible is true. In the last days (now to 2013), many will say that they are the messiah, but Rev. Moon is is extraordinary! AJU!

  • @Bigfoot10203 he is a vile man. May God open your eyes my friend. I'm sorry you are so far strayed from the truth....

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  • @BigFoot783 Why would they lie? Even members of his family have denounced him...as has a friend of mine who used to be a Unificationist.

  • @BigFoot783 Moon is NOT the Messiah. OK....Read the Bible yourself!

    Mark 13:5-6 among others....do you bother to even READ your Bible?

    Unfortuanately, many Christians don't.

  • @missionarymayn Yes, I know that quote very well. Jesus was saying be careful for those that say they are the Messiah because they can deceive you, but Sun Myung Moon is the first and only man in our modern days that is completely one with God and Jesus Christ. Our members have grown spiritually because of Sun Myung Moon's teachings. God works with special, righteous people. Noah is a great example. Gen. 6:7. I see God working with Rev. Moon. 

  • @roman1akid okay, i would like you to look up, Unification Church is NOT a cult. After watching that video, there is no way you can say that he is a vile man. Saying that he is a vile man is a lie and was said by people that don't really understand who he is. Read his teachings and his life before judging. I ask this of you please.

    Thank You and have a blessed day.

  • @WarriorChild2020

    One last word to you. You seem to call yourself Christian. If you are a serious Christian then you better find out if Rev Moon is the Messiah or not. But that does not work by just listening to hearsay, or by quoting some bible verses and interpret them the way you want.

    If you want to find out the reality of how God works at this time, you have to dig more deep. Otherwise you repeat the mistake of the pharasees at Jesus time. The most "religious" people killed him.

  • @brunoklotz

    You seem to be one of those many Christians who believe that the Messiah has to suffer. Well, both, Jesus and Rev Moon have been mistreated many times.

    But it pains the heart of God if people say that that was/is the will of God. The will of God is that the Messiah finds the faith and love of all people. The murder of Jesus was the will of the devil, not of God.

  • @WarriorChild2020

    You better get your facts straight. Not even once in all his life has Rev Moon said that he is Jesus. That was put in his mouth by his opponents.

    Go to the mentioned websites and you will find out what life Rev Moon has lived. Thats all I have to say: Do your homework ! God bless you!

  • @WarriorChild2020

    Well, I think you are pretty much influenced by those who try and tried to put Rev Moon down, for one reason or the other, and created this bizarre picture.

    I would suggest to get a more objective perspective. Go to reverendsunmyungmoon. org or revmoonradio . com for the start.

  • WAY CREEPY!

  • Well, what Rev Moon wants is one family under God. There will be no religion at all. Go to revmoonradio. com and find out more.

  • In Jin Nim is a wonderful daughter of God. Those who slander her, only judge themselves, and one day they will bite their own butt for having been so rude to such a great person.

  • In Jin Moon is digusting. She is a blatant hypocrite and liar. She is deceiving a whole new generation. She has had affairs (Alistair Farrant, and w/ her half-brother Sammy Pak) and has abused drugs and alcohol with her brother Hyo Jin. Her marriage was suddenly "healed" as she came to the spotlight and came to take over the UC after years of inactivity. She is a fake!

  • Some people talk so much crap that they block themselves the way to find the Lord of the second Advent. Poor souls!

    You better check reverendsunmyungmoon. org to f ind some light in all that crap.

  • God how much ignorance on these comments,

    cant the non-believers see that the second Christ has come?

    Yes fellas, he has come to us and whit him he brings all the bad taste in clothes whit indoctrination of young misguided minds, because nothing saves the holy institution of marriage but to ruin thousands of those ungodly groups of people called families.(Eww…)

    Oh god have mercy on America because it has not accepted the ways of a Chinese man. Oh God, please have mercy!

  • The fact that there's about as much crazy in the comments as the video is ridiculous.

  • @JuanIII Amen. So many silly folks.

  • May Almighty God have mercy on America, may He have mercy on us!!

  • i saw jesus, follow me and treat me like a god now.

  • capitelo presto .... 2013 ...

  • Folks, the good thing is that finally the Lord of the second advent has arrived. Funny enough, those who are waiting for him are the same who are persecuting him. When will people ever learn from history?

  • @brunoklotz so true.

  • No, jesus appeared to me as said I AM the Savior!

  • @bdobbsthepipe thats good! but please help jesus instead just being burden to him he already got too many people file up on him. poor jesus u too?be good! i mean mature.

  • Christ's death is not  peace on earth but peace with God..

  • @macoy2341

    Christ's death did not achieve the Kingdom of heaven on earth and in heaven.

    Peace with God is still far away, as long as we have sinful nature.

    Gods plan for Jesus was to establish the Kingdom, on earth as in spiritual world. Nothing less.

  • I can't believe this fraud got this title at the Senate building. What's next, Benny Hinn at the House. I guess politicians will try to get campaign donations in any way possible, even if it is from a con-man like Moon.

  • @lsufanbr

    You better stop slandering the Messiah and Saviour. Its not pleasant to God at all.

  • just god can judge us

  • great man!

  • Rev Moon is living his whole life for the sake of God and humanity. Peace be with those who dont see that yet. The time will come.

  • @brunoklotz YOU ARE BEING DECEIVED..DO YOU READ THE BIBLE?

  • @emel703

    Just READING the bible is not enough, we need to deeply understand it. Study the teachings of Rev Moon on reverensunmyungmoon . org and you will know what i am talking aobut.

  • @brunoklotz I've been to the website and he claims to be a messiah or a christ..Do you remember the part when Jesus said in the last days false prophets and anti Christs will come?.He said that if anybody says that here the Christ or messiah is.Do not believe him because such things must come before the Son of Man returns in his glory. Even Jesus said that he did not come to bring peace but division to the earth.He came to turn son against father so how can jesus send a man to bring unification?

  • @emel703

    The division in the last days will be the one between those who recognize the Messiah and those who dont. But nevertheless in the end there will be a unified world of love, according to Gods plan.

  • @emel703 please study deeply the teachings of Rev Moon including his life. you cannot just fool people in the senate. seek for the truth and the truth will set you free. there is no salvation in ignorance. God bless you.

  • Who is "mooni"? Is that YOU?

  • mooni was a child molester, rapist, thief, liar, scammer, psychopath

    LOWEST SCUM OF THE WORLD

  • I feel happy to Know Where is the messiah Our lord Jesus In our Time, How great I am , Thank to this Vedeo

  • Are u KIDDING me!!!!!!!!!!

    There will be no PEACE until SATAN and his DEMONIC forces are BOUND.

    We can live peaceful but no one can be CROWNED KING of PEACE until all this are PERFECT and that is WITHOUT SIN IN THE WORLD.

    FAKE MOON

  • @thomla7

    Rev Moon has all the qualifications that the Messiah needs. There is nothing fake about him. Jesus was accused of the same things. WHO was fake back then?? The one who was accused??

  • @brunoklotz QUALIFICATION of the MESSIAH

    Consceived by a virgin without man Gen. 49:10 Matt 1: 17-19

    Be in the lineage of King David, therefore he must be a JEW Matthew1

    Born in Bethlehem, traced back to Abraham Micah 5:2

    Messiah must be a prophet like unto Moses a JEW Deut. 18:15

    Messiah must be betrayed with30 pieces of Silver Pslam 41:9

  • @thomla7

    Rev Moon is actually the one who brings all the satanic forces to voluntary surrender, by the power of his love.

  • @brunoklotz Just admit it, MOON is your God and his book is your BIBLE.

    Rev 19:11 And i saw heaven opened and behold a white horse and he that sat upon him was called FAITHFUL and TRUE and in righteousenesshe doth JUDGE and make WAR. Not physically but SPIRITUALLY

    Does that sound like LOVE.

    The first coming of the MESSIAH was of LOVE John3:16

    The second coming is of JUDGEMENT for the DECEIVER SATAN, the BEAST and the FALSE PROPHET. Rev. 19:20

  • @thomla7

    Rev Moon is the Messiah, ~Saviour and Lord of the second Advent. I dont "admit" it, but I proclaim it.

  • @thomla7

    And the teachings of Rev Moon make the Bible understandable, in a rational and reasonable way, not in a way the christian doctrine does, answering next to nothing.

  • @brunoklotz Why are u being dishonest to yourself and deceiving yourself, every scripture i pointed out has nothing to do with MOON.

    U said the second coming is of love for SATAN to VOLUNTARY surrender, the bible says there will be WAR in HEAVEN.

    Like i said believe in MOON but don't think for a second he is the MESSIAH of the bible.He is the MESSIAH for the DP book, that is where u need to quote from.

  • @thomla7

    Well, you are using the Bible just as it suits you. Thats a big problem. You dont understand the whole thing in the right context, from Gods viewpoint. And you cannot, since you dont want to accept the higher light of truth that Rev Moon is bringing into this world. You rather stick to the lesser light, just as the Israelites did not want to see the higher light that Jesus brought.

  • @brunoklotz WHAT DO U MEAN WHAT SUITES ME.

    What do u want me to do? MAKE UP STORIES LIKE MOON.

    Matt 16:27 For the son of man shall come in the glory of his father with the ANGELS.

    When did MOON came back with the ANGELS?

    JUDE 14-15Behold the Lord cometh with ten thousand of his saints to execute JUDGEMENT (not love)

  • @thomla7

    You are just using Bible verses against Rev Moon as they threw them at Jesus. Thats what I mean. They probably told Jesus as well, that he makes up stories.

    Do you still not see what you are doing? All the parallels with 2000 years ago?

    What do you think, would you have shouted "Crucify him!"?

  • @thomla7

    The angelic world is surely supporting Rev Moon, just as the saints who are living in the spirit world. They support Rev Moon just as they supported Jesus. The problem is that not everyone can see them, only very few. But that doesnt make is less true.

  • Unlike Moon ,Jesus didnt exploit his followers to live in luxary.

  • @lsufanbr Or have illegitimate children.

  • @thomla7

    In the last days people will be their own judge. If they go against the Lord or not, that judges them. Its up to each individual. The bible speaks of the great and terrible day of the Lord. Great for those who accept him, terrible for those who reject and persecute him.

    And remember, the Lord is Rev Moon.

  • @brunoklotz HIGHER LIGHT OF TRUTH.

    Jesus is the light of the WORLD- NOT MOON John 1:9 THE TRUE LIGHT

    JESUS says I AM THE WAY THE TRUETH AND THE LIFE, NO MAN COMTH UNTO GOD BUT BY ME.

    So your saying the Jesus of the bible is FAKE and MOON is the true JESUS.

  • @brunoklotz NO!!! MOON teachings of the BIBLE is not UNDERSTANDABLE but DECEIVABLE.How can the bible say one thing and MOON another.

    There is ONLY ONE GOD and ONE MEDIATOR between God and man, the man CHRIST JESUS.

    MAN, just say the BIBLE is a fake and the DP is true to u.I AM NOT STUPID

  • @thomla7

    Thats exactly what they accused Jesus of as well. He even said, the scriptures says this BUT I tell you that. That went beyond their concepts.

    Jesus said that new wine cannot be filled into old wineskins. But they did not want to become such new wineskins. If they would have done, they would have understood Jesus.

  • @brunoklotz

    But those poor souls accused Jesus of contradicting the Bible. In reality he brought a higher understanding of God and many things. He brought the higher light. But those people didnt want to see.

    Today we have the same situation. People refuse to see the higher light of truth that already shines on this earth. This higher understanding comes from God through Rev Moon.

  • @thomla7

    Rev Moons teaching not understandable? What about church doctrines then? Do you call those understandable? YOu just have to believe, and better ask no questions. Just believe!

    Rev Moons teachings are logical, make sense and dont contradict science. You cannot say that about christian doctrine.

  • @brunoklotz Your right MOON teachings are LOGICAL not SPIRITUAL

    1Corinthians 2:14 But the natural or LOGICAL man receiveth not the things of the SPIRIT of God: for they are foolishness unto him neither can he know them because they are SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED.

    Science teaches about the things that were CREATED not about the CREATOR and they WORSHIP the CREATURE (like moon) more than the CREATOR who is BLESSED FOREVER. Romans 1:25

  • @thomla7

    Truth has to make sense. And it includes both, spiritual and physical reality.

    There are spiritual laws as well as physical laws. And they are all created by God.

    Spiritual truth and physical truth go hand in hand. There is no contradiction, and it is all logical and makes sense.

    So far religion did not know many things, misunderstood things. Therefore we have this clash between religion on one hand, and logic and science on the other hand.

  • Thanks to God and to all of our saints and sages in the past....People of HEART are now coming together to build "One Family under GOD"....AJU

  • Just face it. Jesus is dead he will never be able to come back to earth. The only way he can get back is to go through another living person.

    Sun Myung Moon is the new Jesus!

  • @darknessdel454

    Well, he is not dead. He lives in spiritual world and at the same time supports the providence of God on earth. He is always with Rev Moon. I would not call that "dead", but very much alive, although not in a physical body.

  • Pray and ask God and Jesus to tell you who is Rev. Sun Myung Moon, and what time we are in. We are so blessed to live at this time and age and also in a fearsome position if we wont recognize the Lord of the Second COming! Rev. Sun Myung Moon is the ONE we are all waiting for!! Read the Divine Principle for you to understand how God has been working in History.

  • @nkulu3

    Some people must be so smart. They never pray, but still think they know it all.

  • l love Red. Sun Myung Moon

    i am from india , new delhi

  • @KING00792

    do you say that because Rev. Moon conned a white blonde girl to be your wife???

  • @Sellahamachi

    Not all people are that shallow. Thats only your assumption.

  • yep, UC need to put more accent on quality

  • Poor quality video, but a brilliant moment in history.

  • Hi,

    Thats why, if you are serious, you can ask Jesus himself. He will let you know. If you are serious and humble, with an open heart. If you have made up your mind already, it will not work. Jesus can see your heart.

  • his man is a complete liar..

    Jesus annointed Rev. Moon? Jesus has to show it , not moon himself self-proclaimed. Only simple-minded would jump into conclusion or choose to beleive it.!! Some deceptive moonies claim Jesus is with rev. moon all the time, just show it prove it.

    Or moon & moonies think Jesus is powerless inside their pocket???

  • Dear gwho,

    Jesus annointed Rev Moon to complete Jesus uncompleted mission. Jesus is with him and supports him.

    Rev Moon is the Messiah, the Saviour and the Second Coming of Christ.

    Those who reject him, reject Jesus, and God as well.

  • Dear gwho,

    Jesus annointed Rev Moon to complete Jesus uncompleted mission. Jesus is with him and supports him.

    Rev Moon is the Messiah, the Saviour and the Second Coming of Christ.

    Those who reject him, reject Jesus, and God as well.

  • how do ppl actually fall for something like this guy

    he's the messiah?

    Jesus bows down to him in heaven? women have to go thru a purification process for their sins i.e. sex with him?

    koreans are the next chosen ppl?

    anyone that knows an ounce, a miligram of bible would be able to say he's not legit from the statement "i'm the messiah" alone.

  • So.... this is Sailor Moon's grampa? I always knew she was a little strange.

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  • Well, I simply studied the Divine Principle, which, as you know, is the teaching of Rev Moon. I found these things there in context. And these things make sense, as opposed to other teachings. And you can find many more things there, that are pretty important.

  • To have this trust in God was their portion of responsibility. Without human being fulfilling that kind of responsibility the ideal of creation cannot come about, no matter how much effort God makes.

    And God could not interfere into the fall of man, because he could not violate human responsibity without abandoning the purpose of creation.

  • Actually, when Adam and Eve were seduced by the Archangel, they were NOT ignorant. They knew clearly that God had told them not to do it, otherwise they would die. They were NOT stupid kids, they were around 16 of age. They simply were asked to trust God, but they did NOT.

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  • God created this physical world with certain limitations for us, certain difficulties, like for example the pain in childbirth, the unability to fly, etc.

    You may ask why he did not make it easier for us.

    My explanation is, that those difficulties are for us to be able to grow in love. Because this development of love is so important for our life in spiritual world.

  • God has created everything out of love and for the purpose of love.

    God surely had his reasons to create the physcial world just as it is. The only thing in this world that is not perfect, is the character of human beings. And God works to save mankind out of this state of spiritual death.

    And do not forget that this physical world is just a shadow of the spiritual world, which is our REAL home.

  • permissive will vs perfect will.

    for the purpose of freewill to man,

    for coereced love is not true love.

    God is love.

  • @brunoklotz

    "Look at all the creation, at all its perfection."

    Have you ever seen a rabbit run for its life?

    Have you ever seen the desperate struggling of a fliy in a spiders web?

    Have you ever seen the reaction of little fishes when the pike comes?

    Have you ever seen lions, tigers or wolves hunting?

    Have you heard about the earthquake in haiti?

    Have you ever seen what the break out of a volcano can do?

    Do you know that the earth is in permanent danger to get hit by a meteor?

  • And this creation do you call "perfect"?

    I think it would be better and more honest to call it very cruel and brutal!

  • And God did not create mankind to have robots, or some toy. He could have stopped after the creation of the animals, if thats waht he wanted. Or He could have forgotten about creation alltogether.

    But God wanted counterparts in the realm of love, who could inherit His heart and relate with him in love and trust. And God wanted mankind to reach this level out of free will, not by force. Even God cannot force someone to love Him. Impossible even for God.

  • Well, if you think you could do better than God, thats up to you. Look at all the creation, at all its perfection. Do you really think you could do better than God?

    In all of history God was always limited by the free will of human beings. He could never interfere in this without giving up the purpose of creation. It is human beings' responsibility to develop their divine potential, not God's. If God would interfere, we would be robots.

  • Dear giblueser,

    God is not accusing anyone. Indeed almost all historical figures failed. Jesus did not fail, but because of John the Baptists failure the whole nation of Israel failed to recognize Jesus. Israel failed.

    Well, my friend, do not forget that God is the one who suffers the most in all of history. Since the fall of man he was a miserable and not a glorious God. He was the most miserable of all.

  • Dear giblueser,

    I would not base all my insights on the old testament. At that time God was know as the one who throws the hammer. At that time they could not have understood much more then eye for eye and teeth for teeth.

    We are now living in a time where God has revealed His real heart. Already Jesus spoke of Jesus as the loving father. Rev Moon revealed even much more about the love of God.

    So why go back to the old testament? Makes no sense.

  • If I were a parent and I noticed my servent was seducing my young, ignorant, children, I'd get rid of the servent. I hired him.

    In God's case, he made everything. So I don't see how he's such a wimp. Plus I don't see why he needs servents.

  • Look at other movements. They have no hope, no vision, and do not know waht to do.

    Even Christianity is just waiting for something, not knowing waht.

    Although the movement of Rev Moon is not perfect and goes through many struggles, still it is working for saving this world. Thats the main point. The members of this movement are not perfect, but they make effort to inherit the love of God. Isnt that quite something?

  • So God made humans and angels. He gave them both the capacity to feel jelousy. But he didn't want angels as his children, just servents. One angel gets jealous and seduces the young immature humans who don't know any better. Now his plan messed up.... he does all these weird things to try to fix it like flood the earth and send figures to make offerings like cutting animals in half. I don't know.... but God seems very.......... lame.... and doesn't have logical problem solving skills.

  • The people in Rev Moon's movement are not perfect, they have their cultural baggage and often go through difficult circumstances for the sake of saving the world from spiritual death.

    It does not surprise me that you saw some not so nice things, or experienced them. That might have desillusioned you, because there is so much talk about the ideal and the reality is often not ideal.

    But do not throw the baby out with the bathwater. At least this movement strives for world salvation.

  • Well, then I dont understand why you doubt Gods abilities, how you can think that Gods blueprint for creation is not so good.

  • 1) Well brunoklotz, it is not so important what I believe or what I doubt - look at the facts and the realities! Then it is more than logical to doubt Gods abilities - at least for a honest and humble man.

    I don`t know if you are able to see and face the realities and be honest enough not to lie to yourself.

    Have you ever read the Bible carefully?

    Who is the great blamer, the great accuser?

    It is God!

    Read the book of Genesis and you will see that I this is fact!

  • 2) Everybody done wrong and failed:

    Lucifer, Eve, Adam, Caine, Ham, Jesus (at least Rev. Moon says so) you and me and a lot more people.

    What kind of God is this? Accusing everybody, and thinking of himself to be the great one, the holy one - although he is the one who created everything and even the worst circumstances for some of his creatures?

    And Rev. Moon is the one who tries to justify the deeds of this unspeakable sadistic monster called God!

  • Dear brunoklotz, I don`t know what "Satan says".

    But I know very well what I have heard, what I have seen and most of all, what I have experienced.

    "Did you ever study about the fall of man, in the Divine Principle?"

    Dear brunoklotz, what a question!!!

  • If you kill someone, can you blame God for that, saying, well, He gave me that ability to kill?

    You cannot argue like that.

    God gave you the free will, but also the responsibility NOT to kill.

    In the same way God gave human beings the free will, but at the same time the responsibility NOT to fall.

    Without free will we would all be robots. Would you like that?

  • Hi dear Giblueser,

    well, what you say is also what Satan says. He is accusing God, and thats what we call shifting the blame. Satan thinks he was treated wrong and thus justifies all his crimes in history. Well ....

    Did you ever study about the fall of man, in the Divine Principle?

    Please  do, and then you will see who the criminal is. Surely not God.

    Make sure taht you dont believe what Satan wants you to believe. Dont believe that criminal.

  • Of course there was a reason why people saw Jesus as evil.

    The reason is that he came with Gods concepts, Gods way of thinking. And Gods concepts are totally different from the ones of the fallen world.

    Jesus tried to bring a new age, and the old age was of course opposing.

    And Satan used all his power to destroy the reputation of Jesus, so that he could finally make the people kill him.

    Or do you think Satan simply wanted to hand over his power to Jesus?

  • Dear brunoklotz, Gods concepts and Gods way of thinking obviously led to the existence of a Satan.

    Therefore Gods concepts and Gods way of thinking cannot be as good as you and a lot of other people wanna make believe.

  • Dear Giblueser,

    Just as John the Baptist started to see Jesus with human eyes, so did Judas, as I see it. It was not Jesus, who did something wrong, but Judas as well as John the Baptist were not able to see who Jesus really was. They simply lost faith. They could not see from Gods viewpoint.

  • Sun Myung Moon is a messenger of peace !

  • When Jesus was seen as the most evil person, there must be a reason.

    Judas betrayed Jesus? There must be a reason for.

    If there had been a good give and take action between Jesus and Judas, if there had been fairness and decency I think Judas would have never betrayed Jesus.

    I think something had happend which destroyed trust and confidence of Judas completely.

  • Just to remind you that Jesus was accused of driving the devils out with the power of the devil, not of God. Jesus was seen as the most evil person. Thats why he was crucified, while Barabas was liberated.

    Just to remind you of what image Jesus had.

  • MK Ultra Programmed Slave by London CIA

  • false christ!

  • Just showing that Rev Moon is the Messiah and Saviour.

    Its about time that the world comes to realize this.

  • P-R-O-P-G-A-N-D-A

  • Rev. and Mrs. Moon has sacrificed so much for the realization of God's dream a world of peace and One world family Under God! It's about time for us all to help them in hastening the realization of that dream!

  • Jesus mission was not just to die on the cross. His purpose was far greater than that.

  • His mission is to achieve what Jesus could not achieve at his first coming, AND what Adam and Eve had failed to achieve. The second coming has the purpose to realize Gods ideal for man, which is the kingdom of heaven on earth as in heaven.

  • Well, did not they call Jesus a false prophet as well?

    The second coming of Christ is predicted in the bible, and it has to happen because Jesus could not complete his mission due to the disbelief of his own people, whom God had prepared, but who failed nevertheless.

    False prophets are around in this world, but does that exclude the real Messiah being on earth?

    Satan sent all those false prophets so that the people do not recognize the real one. Same at Jesus' time.

  • You cannot take everything in the Bible literal. The bible says that the world will know, but that does not necessarily mean in one instant. When Jesus was in Israel, did the whole world know? Not even today everyone has heard about Jesus.

    The Messiah must be born on earth, and not come in some supernatural way. God is bound by his own principles. Jesus was born on earth, although the Old Testament predicted his coming from the clouds.

  • no your right the whole world didn't know but this isn't about the phrophosised first coming bu the phrophosised second coming.........WHAT IS HIS MISSION????????????

  • I suggest to come up with something a little bit more intelligent next time