Billy Bragg - The marching song of the covert battalions

[broadstem]

does anyone have a live version from over the pond? where Americans sing along? or did i dream it?

[broadstem]

act, activate, organise, oppose, challenge, that's monday sorted. act, activate, this is the struggle, live it.

[Terremides]

@broadstem huh?

[OhMeadhbh]

property is beautiful. property is problematic. property is impossible. (okay... as a philosophy, it still has a few kinks to be worked out.)

[MrFrostmourne1]

the marching song of the NYPD

[nachodaddy]

Oops, I've walked into a pack of useful idiots and armchair psuedo-intellectuals. Y'all carry on with your drivel & I'll back on outta here pronto. Thanx for the best laugh I've had all day, though. "Communism has no State." ROFL, the ultimate stateist state has no state. Too funny.

[vapido]

@nachodaddy way to contradict yourself. you armchair "pseudo"-intellectual you. 

[Terremides]

@nachodaddy I hope, for your own sake, that you are trolling, if you're not, i genuinly feel sad for you and people who have been fooled and manipulated just like you.

[nachodaddy]

@Terremides No, I'm not trolling, I pray you're not as stupid & ignorant as you appear for asking.

[Terremides]

@nachodaddy explain please.

[hazeelspepe]

nice song, i love communism but there is people running our dreams of the perfect world +1

[annikee59]

Why do so many working people vote against their own interests? I'll never understand that. It's like they think the rich care about them.

[grandslam1998]

The problem with working class is that we look to CAPITALIIST TO FIND US WORK AND WGES.

[spitfire262]

@WVliberty I believe Capitalism does that actually. Communism takes the land off the rich corporations and gives it to the working classes. The USSR was not a Communist country, it was run like a giant business. No one cares if you own some Russian weapons as it is completely irrelevant.

[WVliberty]

@spitfire262 america doesnt have true capitalism, thier weapons show that not every thing communist built is shitty, In america the state and corporations work together to put power lines, dams, sewage facilitys, government buildings and some cases private businesses on private property which isnt true capitalism,

[spitfire262]

@WVliberty You truly believe America is a Communist country? You are getting mixed up with Marxism and Soviet style "Communism".

[WVliberty]

@spitfire262 in America, government and corporations have to much power and take away private propery rights from common people,All marxist countries have problems with human rights and the poisoning of thier own peoples liberties, marxism is no better and is worse than capitalism,

[WVliberty]

@spitfire262 In communism the governemnt bureaucrats control the capital, why would you want more government in your life, Anarchist catalonia was the mst peaceful and freedom loving of any anti capitalist state that ever existed

[ZLUGGO]

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to sell." Brilliant!

[tomcatvmp]

a minority voice of protest ! thanku billy

[annikee59]

One of the bests songs ever written.

[WVliberty]

collective factorys,mines etc but private farming and commercial, theres no way in hell id turn my farm to collective ownership outside my family, collective ownership in factorys and companies somewhat exist in ownership of stock

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 collective ownership of factories shops and restaurants, but private farms and land? as a family farmer in america i would kill anyone that would try to take my families land

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater Collective everything. Family-owned farms would be allowed to exist for there de facto collective ownership, the workers are all part of the family and get equal profit, in that case nothing would happen to your land.

But if this is not how you run it, then fine, you can be shot for being a bourgeois peace of shit. :3

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 i would be shot for protecting what my family came over here for,everyone here helps each other anyways in the area i live in, communism and socialism always end up with bureaucratic bullshit, in all reality fuck isms in the ass

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater You would be shot for exploiting the proletarian out of there surplus labor.

Communism and socialism have never been attempted outside small short-lived rebellions.

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 pol pot, stalin, mao, crazy fuck in North Korea to name a few, id be shot for not handing my land over and it would never happen anyways, no commies will ever take appalachia over, there were socialist that helped us against the coal companies but back then they pushed for better unionized working conditions, communism always turns into a radicla from of capitalism controlled by the state,

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater They never attempted it, they attempted a deformed verison of socialism.

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 theres no big corporate farms here anyways its all families, i would like to see the bourgeois of dc chased out of here but fuck most of the outsiders that come in here anyways, i believe in public land shared by the poeple thats not taken over by force, protection of private land from developers/corporations, i believe in a fairer capitalistic system that treats all as equals without corporate welfare etc.. minor socialist

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater YOUR STILL EXPLOITING YOUR HIRED WORKERS OUT OF THERE FAIR SHARE!

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 i exploit myself because its just family that runs it idiot

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater does your family share the profits among all the workers and have all of the workers collectively control it? No.

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 theres no workers except family that wht you dont get no hired labor, theres barely any profit due to high fuel and grain cost, corporate farms get billions in corporate welfare, we only get paid by the gov not to farm 20 acres thats in CREP

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater Does the whole family collectively own it and share the profit equally?

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 we get paid good for the work we do and are fed well and have a place to stay hunt and fish, theres no large amount of profit, most goes into expenses, parts for equipment,fuel,fertilizer,grai­n, what land owners in my state need to do is form a union to protect thier land from corporations that put gas lines,power lines, and pollution on thier land, and the state putting highways sewage plants and other state buildings thats forced on peoples property,

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater If your profit is not shared equally and you do not collectively own the farm, you can go say hi to the peoples gun.

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 that will never happen, the rich basterds that make mountains look like quilts will say hi to the appalachian peoples gun, outside agitators aren't welcome here

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater Sorry that you are unable to share your profits equally and collectively own your farm, but under communism all is owned by everyone, and people give and take freely.

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 communism doesnt work, everybody does not work equally, do you have a job where everything is shared equally

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater I worked in a coop over the summer last year, it was awesome.

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 what kind of coop, i have a job next week at a power plant and i might join the labor union, the recyling place i go 2, on thier website it says thier 100% employee owned through thier stock program so what would that make it,

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater Profit equally shared, and company collectively controlled and owned.

Employee owned, isnt always Employee Controlled.

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 what type of work was it?, if people want to have a socialistic type of business more power to them, its there right to do that in this country, but forcing regular people out of things they own isnt freedom at all and will never happen here in America,

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater Pizza place.

Thats the arguement slave owners used.

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 im not tLlking about 1861, im talking about today, how is taking peoples property that they ve worked for or have gotten from thier family equals freedom for the people, most people here in america wouldnt let that shit fly, im sorry but communism does it work, some aspects of socialism work but full throttle socialism doesnt work because people arent totally free and have a state up thier ass

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 no commies will ever come into rural regions of this country and take peoples land over by force, they will be shot, im not saying this to be an asshole but thats what would truely happen if they did, beside communism is alwas born out of really fucked up countries anyways, all isms are flawed by something

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater communism has never been tried buddy, we have never had a stateless classless society.

Property there WORKERS worked for.

Socialism means workers control of the means of production, not the state.

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 anarchist catalonia but they disliked the communist

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater They disliked stalinists, they were anarcho-communists.

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 they fought against the communist in some instances, kind of i consider it libertarian socialism, or Anarcho-syndicalism

[cary123]

@cary123 Sigh, read some books on the matter, "Communists" in the Spanish civil war were Stalinists, "Anarchists" were Anarcho-Communists. The Anarchists created society's with gift economys and total collective ownership.

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 you can kinda of consider it anarcho communism but definately had more freedom than all other communist societies that existed

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 ive read homage to catalonia but not quite finished yet

[mistarcraw]

@cary123 lol yeah read the propaganda books vilifying communists and praising utopian, naive, unsuccessful Anarchists raping nuns and burning churches

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 shared profit in a restaurant would probably work, because the employees would work with a better attitude but it wouldnt work out in every situation

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater Its the only fair way to cut profits, effort is subjective.

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 and to protect land from greedy basterds that destroy land for profit, thats my number one hundred of the capitalist system in our country is how much land we destroy in the name of profit, but im no green nut but housing developments dont need to be spread out every where, especially on good farm and timber ground

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 i beleive in socialist things like parks and forest thats available to the people for hunting and recreation, fucked up companies should allow thier workers to unionize without hiring scabs or cheap imported labor, most unions today are corrupt just like corporations, union leaders have too much control,i wished people would have more say in thier communities and not leave it up to the la petite bourgeois to control thier communities,

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater Good for you, bourgeois scum.

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 just because you own something and you work hard does it make you borgeois, burgeois to me are rich materialistic douchebags that have more say in society due to thier social status, families settled here so they could finally have thier own farms free of european aristocratic control, regular middle class people arent burgeois and not too many people in america follow marxism anyways,

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater If you own means of production and EXPLOIT OTHER HIRED WORKERS, you are bourgeois get over it. Bourgeois is the class that owns the means of production.

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 forcing good hard working people to give up things they own isnt freedom at all, when people control other people and treat them as work mules then yes those kind of people should be forced to give up more thier profit

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater They didnt work for that thing they own, there workers did.

[WVlandnwater]

@cary123 socialism communism capitalism, all these isms arent very fair to common people, but capitalism includes more freedom than the other two, the coal companies in my state in the early 1900s were capitalist commies because they controlled the lives of thier workers even made thier own money

[cary123]

@WVlandnwater Commies would give equal pay and ownership to the workers, learn your terms.

Communism gives the most freedom.

[Sleck06]

@cary123 who will achieve this?

[WVliberty]

answer

[GlobalAlternateMedia]

@cary123

Yes it is, everyone--regardless of financial capacity--should be able to access property. i.e. common ownership. Workers of the world should declare: the right to property, and not the right to work because the former necessarily implies the latter.

[cary123]

@GlobalAlternateMedia No personal property is a right, PRIVATE PROPERTY is not. Noone has the right to own anothers workplace.

[WVliberty]

he still makes money off capitalism

[cary123]

Well duh, everyone living a capitalist society makes money somehow. Its wether you wish to overthrow it, not wether you use it.

[Akumetsu1000]

lol but perhaps the diff between him and many rich folks is that he's not willing to rape/kill for it. though he could definitely stand to donate it, the rich bastard

[hattori5891]

'to provoke nuclera conflict to destroy the capitalism...'

[downrightlumber]

so glad to have found this, thanks for sure.

[grndlmagic]

Great shizz! Thanks for posting!

[hornylink]

Ah yes the sound of pure capitalism at work.

[felidae1972]

Always pleased to help :o)

I converted this into mp3 cause my CD was beginning to fall into pieces and eventually I found that these songs were missing here...

[Bigdancingchopsticks]

agree with mugsycache1457.  cheers!

[Mugsycache14567]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Years since I lost my records...years since i have heard these. Thank you again!