Christianity is about love ti is written in the bible love your enemy ask for your brother what you ask for your self but in every are there are idiots who translate religion according to their own sick ideas, and the name of Christ is innocent form their twisted behaviors i am christian and i will die christian and i feel so bad the noble scientist didn't deserve any of this the only thing she deserved is respect for what she has given humanity. shame on them.
@rdhcn You are wrong about Christianity being based on love. Jesus himself states that he did NOT come to change the laws of the Old Testament, and if you read through the Old Testament there is definitely some sick shit in there.
@StudioValinor My point is that there is something wrong with human nature. To say religion is what makes the world horrible is not a sophisticated argument. Humans make the world horrible. Any ideology or belief people will kill in name of it including science. Even if it tells you killing people is wrong.
@arabianknight86 To kill another man is better than to enslave his heart, mind and soul. There is nothing really wrong with the ACT of fight and killing, people always did it and always will - it is a part of our nature. But just like sex it is shunned upon because of the slavery imposed by religions. You are truly a mindless sheep, unable to think for yourself and unable to truly comprehend that one should rather die free than live as a slave. There is nothing wrong with human nature.
Great movie. loved it. When I left the theatre I had a sad feeling because:
1) All that greatt knowledge that was destroyed - put back civilization thousands of years.
2) The religious hatred and fanatacism that we see in the film is still very much alive among the christians and Islamists.
3) Some people in the audience were offended on how the christians were portrayed. to them I say, the truth isn't always pretty. This movie forces you to think and it may challenge your beliefs....
@luigee78 i felt sad at the end, it took us a long time before Kepler realized the same thing, think of how long it will take us to realize other things.
Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Communism, Marxism, Maoism, Capitalism, and Democracy are all things that people kill in the name of. It is delusional to think that people only kill in the name of God.
Finally saw this movie in a theater today and was blown away. It's smarter, more beautiful to the eye, and more interesting than "Inception," yet I fear practically no one will be able to see it in the US until it's on DVD, which a terrible shame.
@yellowlynx The movie was not shown in wide release in the US; it was shown only in a few small theaters in some larger cities for a short time. This country is still in the Dark Ages when it comes to having serious discussions about the damaging effects of religion. Americans will always vote for a religious moron over an atheist genius here.
@StudioValinor: You are so dumb it's sad. I train Brazilian Jujitsu and Muay Thai (again look it up idiot) I have NO WWF videos on my channel. I'm not "southern" I'm 3rd generation Californian. Your world is full of sweeping generalizations, stereotypes (when they fit your political agenda) and utopian fantasy (like you being educated). Your adherence to dialectic logic validates my every claim.
@StudioValinor: Where did I say I was a Christian? Your HATE for Christianity has turned you into an unhinged self righteous elitist fanatic JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE YOU CLAIM TO HATE!
I'm done with you, nut job idiots like you are a waste of time, enjoy your hate filled marginal life.
@StudioValinor: LOL You must be joking!!!! The French Revolution took place from 1789-1799 and may have eliminated the monarchy but turned into a blood bath where thousands of innocent people were beheaded because of fanaticism. Jefferson wrote the Deceleration of Independence (1776) 13 years before the Storming of the Bastille you idiot! Read "Sister Revolutions" by Susan Dunn you might learn a thing or two.
Jefferson got his ideas from Locke, Bacon, Cicero, etc.
@StudioValinor: Your writing skills indicated you didn't even complete community college.
I've read everything from Herodotus to Paul Kennedy (look it up moron).
Graduated from U Mass Lowell in 92' with a BS in chemical engineering, over 20 years in the biotech industry, worked for some of the top operating companies and consulting firms.
Oh and fuck you and your phony academic accolades.
@StudioValinor: Uneducated idiot with an agenda: The Byzantine Empire or Eastern Roman Empire predated Islam by several hundred years and contained parts of Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Libya, etc. Look up “Muslim Conquest” and look at the map then look at the timeline you fucking retard.
@StudioValinor: The crusades were a RESPONSE to the Islamic invasion of what were once Christian lands, you must get your historical perspective from MTV and movies. Witch hunts? How many killed by a few fanatics? Communism killed 100 MILLION in the last century all in the name of the State and secular humanism!!!
Now the Bible,Quran,Torah may contain the word of God. But its doubtful that they exert Godlike attributes. I'm a Christian, but I acknowledge that religion isn't perfect. God gave us free will and not to be bound by his so called "Servants". Religion is a supplement/Servant to society, not a master. For if a religion is the master, revise the Crusade, Agora events, Spa.Inquisition,Jihad,etc.
This is the wise word of the creation of the Lord.
@44rubino religion is dying on youtube and in my generation because we are finally as a whole realizing it isn't true. you have a minister, priest, rabbi imam or 2,000 year old book telling you how to think and what to do. we only have our minds. who's the sheep?
Now the Bible,Quran,Torah may contain the word of God. But its doubtful that they exert Godlike attributes. I'm a Christian, but I acknowledge that religion isn't perfect. God gave us free will and not to be bound by his so called "Servants". Religion is a supplement/Servant to society, not a master. For if a religion is the master, revise the Crusade, Agora events, Spa.Inquisition,Jihad,etc.
This is the wise word of the creation of the Lord.
As a non-god-botherer I have no intention of wasting my life on proving or disproving the existence of a invisible, all-powerful(?) celestial puppeteer, who exclusively represents the interests of one particular (chosen) group of people be it Jews, Christians, Muslims, Mormons or Scientologists.Their infantile "doctrinal" squabbling pushes all of us back to the dark Ages.
But watching this movie remember that the religious fundamentalists have access to the nuclear weapons in 21st Century.
@UndercoverCracker poor dummy, if you believe in an invisible man, you are slave. because anyone can use you like a puppet. ( in god we trust, semper fi, god bless america....)
@chry200875 So you only beleive in what you can see or explain. How very pathetic. Faith is something not many people these days can believe in. Youre the puppet if you only have that closed of a mind.
Though I have hoped for a movie like Dune by David Lynch by Monsieur Amenábar but though the scenery was amazing and the costumes fitting still the characters and the story failed; not to mention the poor dialogues: The reference to the laws of Euclid was so ridiculous (read what Shakespeare made out of references to Pompey or Alexander the Great and Caesar and his commentaries); the actors do not convince as people from late antiquity but as modern folk. ...
And if this movie should pose some attempt to present science as a detractor of religion (especially the Christian one) I have to invoke Nietzsche about the inner alliance between the Ascetic Ideal and science:
Its relationship to the ascetic ideal is still not inherently antagonistic at all. Its even more that case that, for the most part, it represents the forward-driving force in the inner development of this ideal. Its resistance and struggle, when we inspect more closely, are not concerned in any way with the ideal itself, but only with its external trappings, clothing, masquerade, its temporary hardening, petrifaction, dogma. Science makes the life in this ideal free again, ...
since it denies what is exoteric in it. These two things, science and the ascetic ideal they really stand on a single foundation Ive just clarified the point namely, on the same overvaluing of the truth (or more correctly, on the same faith in the inestimable value of the truth, which is beyond criticism). In that very claim they are necessarily allies so that, if someone is going to fight against them, he can only fight them together and place them both in question. An appraisal of the value
of the ascetic ideal unavoidably also involves an appraisal of the value of science; while theres still time people should to keep their eyes open for that, their ears alert! (As for art let me offer a preliminary remark, for Ill be coming back to it at some point or other at greater length the very art in which the lie sanctifies itself and the will to deceive has good conscience on its side is much more fundamentally opposed to the ascetic ideal than is science:
thats what Platos instinct experienced the greatest enemy of art which Europe has produced up to this point. Plato versus Homer: thats the entire, the true antagonism on one side, the beyond of the best will, the great slanderer of life; on the other side, lifes unintentional worshipper, the golden nature.
This film is great, i saw it twice already its brilliant & sad at the same time, i even was one of the extras in it cos it was filmed in Malta. Sad how Hypatia died, damned witchcraft accusations from ppl claim to be holy.
Its not Christianity to blame for the wrong doing of crooked Christians. 1st of all Popes & bishops that command slaughter on ppl r NOT true Christians, even the same Christians that kill & break the 10 commandements especially for gain aren't true Christians. True christians never approve this pagan slaughter, the crusades, the inquisition etc. Many ppl throughout history claimed to be religious & righteous & twisted the word of God from holy to evil for gain of power & wealth.
well, there are so many people who claim to be true Christian (or true followers of any other faith or ideology). Any faith/ideology which claims to provide salvation for its true followers is always at risk at leading people to commit the most horrible crimes in the name of the true faith.
The 10 commandments btw only forbid the killing of a fellow Jew (or fellow believer), that is why the OT knows so many "crimes" punishable by death & so many wars. Coz killing isnt ruled out per se!
Just by claiming ppl r true christians doesn't mean they r true christians. its not easy to be true christian. I know a couple, an arab guy slit their daughter's throat after dating her, they just forgave him, they visit him in prison, give him food & they love him. For me those r true christians. Its not what u claim its what u do. just because bad ppl used religion for their own gain doesn't mean religion is wrong, ex: a knife is used for kitchen but bad ppl kill with it.
A sad film but show how religion kills so many because someone reads some thing they way the words do what they want them to do....still that was many years ago but still not a lot has change now God has got more names and he is with them well thats what they tell everyone so after all that we are still not moved on. . . .
I much long to see this movie as Alejandro Amenábar has proven himself to be an excellent director: Just watch Tesis or Abre los ojos! And if he got a decent writer for the script the story should work well: The rise of Christianity to power in the declining Roman Empire and the outrages its fanatics commit their; shown in the story of the philosopher Hypatia. I may quote Edward Gibbon himself instead of using my rough and all-unable pen:
"Hypatia, the daughter of Theon the mathematician, was initiated in her father's studies; her learned comments have elucidated the geometry of Apollonius and Diophantus, and she publicly taught, both at Athens and Alexandria, the philosophy of Plato and Aristotle. In the bloom of beauty, and in the maturity of wisdom, the modest maid refused her lovers and instructed her disciples; the persons most illustrious for their rank or merit were impatient to visit the female philosopher; (...)"
"(...) and Cyril beheld, with a jealous eye, the gorgeous train of horses and slaves who crowded the door of her academy. A rumor was spread among the Christians, that the daughter of Theon was the only obstacle to the reconciliation of the præfect and the archbishop; and that obstacle was speedily removed. On a fatal day, in the holy season of Lent, Hypatia was torn from her chariot, stripped naked, dragged to the church, and inhumanly butchered by the hands of Peter the reader, (...)"
"(...) and a troop of savage and merciless fanatics: her flesh was scraped from her bones with sharp oyster shells, and her quivering limbs were delivered to the flames. The just progress of inquiry and punishment was stopped by seasonable gifts; but the murder of Hypatia has imprinted an indelible stain on the character and religion of Cyril of Alexandria."
@HistoryLover1550: [due to the HAL 9000 mad computer phenomena I will make the answer via my new internet incarnation] Sure, if she would have only depicted by a great actress and if a great poet would have written her lines; but so the actress playing her seems not to be a philosopher at all, the text is dumb and the story is boring; and worst of all: Modern wishful thinking about science, tolerance and other nonsense is mixed in the late antiquity.
@sleepingspider: Well, if you like what I have quoted you should read Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon as I did found these words in his books.
peccato che rappresentino sempre i romani come se fossero dell'alto impero, nel 391, c'erano orientali e barbari, non certo gli italici con la lorica segmentata dei tempi di augusto.
Sí, sempre c`è qualche cosa che non va nei film "storici" ma il film e troppo bello: il messaggio è attuale e forse per quello più interesante. Non siamo cambiati troppo di quella epoca
Sì non metto in dubbio la bellezza e i valori espressi dal film, ma secondo me se si fossero usati costumi dell'epoca, si sarebbe data un'idea più decadente, quale realmente fu.
Quelle sono uniforme dell'età di Augusto e di Traiano, quando l'impero era pagano, ma tollerante e liberale, nel senso antico del termine, ben diverso dal basso impero quando una masnada di barbari barbuti era l'unico esercito di un potere cesaropapista intollerante e coercitivo..
Sí, hai ragione! Io voleva dire che ci sono delle persone che guardano tanto "le forme" (costumi, etc.) che non guardano il contenuto. Non é il tuo caso e hai ragione che se fosse stato più accurato , il risultato fosse stato meglio
i'm spanish and i saw it last saturday. Just to say that this film have something specia. It's a film for people who ask themselfs about life, religion... I think this director is brillant! This movie is dedicated to all that people who was interested about maths, astronomy and choose that option and not violence! VEry clever film.
Well, you know, it's not as if it wasn't a well known fact! There's a lot of ignorants out there, though, but historical facts are not exactly a secret and all bigger religions do have a lot of blood and violence in their origins, and even present.
At last with this movie, we can have a taste from all the unhesitating slaughtering by Christians against Hellenes, against philosophy, against science against freedom.
@mynick79 What about Islam??! People have been killing people ever since we became humans.....Humans have and will kill each other for many reasons, you cant say its becasue of religion or just one religion. Christians believe in freedom so thats just a stupid comment....Many even believe in science because God created us and we created science therefore......
@mynick79: So you get your historical perspective from movies???
The French Revolution, the logical extreme conclusion of French Enlightenment atheism and "rationality" saw thousands murdered by the state.
This Reign of Terror, in the name of reason against religion, in just eleven months, from September 1793 to July 1794, killed between 20,000 and 40,000.
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darrmokk384 11 months ago
Reproduction... Mankind's first weapon of mass destruction.
tonyasbigmouth 11 months ago
Religion... Mankind's first weapon of mass destruction.
conciousgood 1 year ago 8
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juliavaldez19 1 year ago
Christianity is about love ti is written in the bible love your enemy ask for your brother what you ask for your self but in every are there are idiots who translate religion according to their own sick ideas, and the name of Christ is innocent form their twisted behaviors i am christian and i will die christian and i feel so bad the noble scientist didn't deserve any of this the only thing she deserved is respect for what she has given humanity. shame on them.
rdhcn 1 year ago
@rdhcn You are wrong about Christianity being based on love. Jesus himself states that he did NOT come to change the laws of the Old Testament, and if you read through the Old Testament there is definitely some sick shit in there.
Militarized 1 year ago
More movies like this should be made, their interesting and tell us how modern society has come to be what it is today.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
@StudioValinor My point is that there is something wrong with human nature. To say religion is what makes the world horrible is not a sophisticated argument. Humans make the world horrible. Any ideology or belief people will kill in name of it including science. Even if it tells you killing people is wrong.
arabianknight86 1 year ago
@arabianknight86 What people believe matters.
ContrariusKuan 1 year ago
@arabianknight86 To kill another man is better than to enslave his heart, mind and soul. There is nothing really wrong with the ACT of fight and killing, people always did it and always will - it is a part of our nature. But just like sex it is shunned upon because of the slavery imposed by religions. You are truly a mindless sheep, unable to think for yourself and unable to truly comprehend that one should rather die free than live as a slave. There is nothing wrong with human nature.
Valholm 1 year ago
Sooo getting it on DVD
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
This movie was amazing, and yet so very sad.
dpalmacci 1 year ago
Great movie. loved it. When I left the theatre I had a sad feeling because:
1) All that greatt knowledge that was destroyed - put back civilization thousands of years.
2) The religious hatred and fanatacism that we see in the film is still very much alive among the christians and Islamists.
3) Some people in the audience were offended on how the christians were portrayed. to them I say, the truth isn't always pretty. This movie forces you to think and it may challenge your beliefs....
luigee78 1 year ago 22
@luigee78 i felt sad at the end, it took us a long time before Kepler realized the same thing, think of how long it will take us to realize other things.
mefeline 1 year ago
Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Communism, Marxism, Maoism, Capitalism, and Democracy are all things that people kill in the name of. It is delusional to think that people only kill in the name of God.
arabianknight86 1 year ago
Wow. Dreadful trailer. Looks good, though.
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I found a site that lets you stream this movie for free its called yslides
gatesz374416 1 year ago
Finally saw this movie in a theater today and was blown away. It's smarter, more beautiful to the eye, and more interesting than "Inception," yet I fear practically no one will be able to see it in the US until it's on DVD, which a terrible shame.
madjohnbrown 1 year ago 6
@madjohnbrown what do you mean it is not shown in the US ? Is it really that offending to Christians ?
yellowlynx 1 year ago
@yellowlynx The movie was not shown in wide release in the US; it was shown only in a few small theaters in some larger cities for a short time. This country is still in the Dark Ages when it comes to having serious discussions about the damaging effects of religion. Americans will always vote for a religious moron over an atheist genius here.
madjohnbrown 1 year ago
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AnaSarramona 1 year ago
watch google video:
Thomas McEvilley on 'The Shape of Ancient Thought'
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
@StudioValinor: You are so dumb it's sad. I train Brazilian Jujitsu and Muay Thai (again look it up idiot) I have NO WWF videos on my channel. I'm not "southern" I'm 3rd generation Californian. Your world is full of sweeping generalizations, stereotypes (when they fit your political agenda) and utopian fantasy (like you being educated). Your adherence to dialectic logic validates my every claim.
espada9 1 year ago
@StudioValinor: Where did I say I was a Christian? Your HATE for Christianity has turned you into an unhinged self righteous elitist fanatic JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE YOU CLAIM TO HATE!
I'm done with you, nut job idiots like you are a waste of time, enjoy your hate filled marginal life.
espada9 1 year ago
@StudioValinor: LOL You must be joking!!!! The French Revolution took place from 1789-1799 and may have eliminated the monarchy but turned into a blood bath where thousands of innocent people were beheaded because of fanaticism. Jefferson wrote the Deceleration of Independence (1776) 13 years before the Storming of the Bastille you idiot! Read "Sister Revolutions" by Susan Dunn you might learn a thing or two.
Jefferson got his ideas from Locke, Bacon, Cicero, etc.
espada9 1 year ago
@StudioValinor: Your writing skills indicated you didn't even complete community college.
I've read everything from Herodotus to Paul Kennedy (look it up moron).
Graduated from U Mass Lowell in 92' with a BS in chemical engineering, over 20 years in the biotech industry, worked for some of the top operating companies and consulting firms.
Oh and fuck you and your phony academic accolades.
espada9 1 year ago
@StudioValinor: Science?
Face it clown you have no scientific background or education.
All you have is a political agenda, a blind adherence to logical fallacies like moral relativism and ethical equivalency.
I have over 20 years in a leading science industry and a B.S. in Chemical Engineering.
Stick with what you know, pop culture garbage, Marxist ideology and logical fallacies, leave history, science and geopolitics to the adults.
espada9 1 year ago
@StudioValinor: Uneducated idiot with an agenda: The Byzantine Empire or Eastern Roman Empire predated Islam by several hundred years and contained parts of Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Libya, etc. Look up “Muslim Conquest” and look at the map then look at the timeline you fucking retard.
espada9 1 year ago
The movie has errors when it shows Christians acting like the world...
This is the error, they are not Christians at all, only by name maybe.
Christ taught us to be passive, not like the heathens you see in this movie...God Bless
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@StudioValinor: The crusades were a RESPONSE to the Islamic invasion of what were once Christian lands, you must get your historical perspective from MTV and movies. Witch hunts? How many killed by a few fanatics? Communism killed 100 MILLION in the last century all in the name of the State and secular humanism!!!
espada9 1 year ago
this movie is amazing have fun and see what wrong we have done in the name of the god
kill2heal 1 year ago
This film is full of errors, beware....
BrightLight57 1 year ago
check out wikipedia:
Greco-Buddhism
Buddhism and Christianity
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
@44rubino
"God exist but we have yet to find him/her"
Now the Bible,Quran,Torah may contain the word of God. But its doubtful that they exert Godlike attributes. I'm a Christian, but I acknowledge that religion isn't perfect. God gave us free will and not to be bound by his so called "Servants". Religion is a supplement/Servant to society, not a master. For if a religion is the master, revise the Crusade, Agora events, Spa.Inquisition,Jihad,etc.
This is the wise word of the creation of the Lord.
marshall9doom 1 year ago
"You don't question what you believe... you can't.
I must. "
DruellaBlack 1 year ago 2
@DruellaBlack Love that quote!
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
In these dark days, I can see a big media attack against Christianity.
Anti christian lobbies are responsible and manipulate the history...
Because of this, the ignorant sheeps now are writing bad of Christianity on youtube.
44rubino 1 year ago
@44rubino religion is dying on youtube and in my generation because we are finally as a whole realizing it isn't true. you have a minister, priest, rabbi imam or 2,000 year old book telling you how to think and what to do. we only have our minds. who's the sheep?
oddjob29 1 year ago
@44rubino
"God exist but we have yet to find him/her"
Now the Bible,Quran,Torah may contain the word of God. But its doubtful that they exert Godlike attributes. I'm a Christian, but I acknowledge that religion isn't perfect. God gave us free will and not to be bound by his so called "Servants". Religion is a supplement/Servant to society, not a master. For if a religion is the master, revise the Crusade, Agora events, Spa.Inquisition,Jihad,etc.
This is the wise word of the creation of the Lord.
marshall9doom 1 year ago
As a non-god-botherer I have no intention of wasting my life on proving or disproving the existence of a invisible, all-powerful(?) celestial puppeteer, who exclusively represents the interests of one particular (chosen) group of people be it Jews, Christians, Muslims, Mormons or Scientologists.Their infantile "doctrinal" squabbling pushes all of us back to the dark Ages.
But watching this movie remember that the religious fundamentalists have access to the nuclear weapons in 21st Century.
mironowak 1 year ago
Religion = Control = Slavery
chry200875 1 year ago
@chry200875 Weirdo..lol
UndercoverCracker 1 year ago
@UndercoverCracker ...you like to be a slave ?...you suck !
chry200875 1 year ago
@chry200875 Im no slave and Im not very religious but anyone with common sense wouldnt think how you do....
UndercoverCracker 1 year ago
@UndercoverCracker Litle dude slave
chry200875 1 year ago
@chry200875 Bitch tit.
UndercoverCracker 1 year ago
@UndercoverCracker poor dummy, if you believe in an invisible man, you are slave. because anyone can use you like a puppet. ( in god we trust, semper fi, god bless america....)
chry200875 1 year ago
@chry200875 So you only beleive in what you can see or explain. How very pathetic. Faith is something not many people these days can believe in. Youre the puppet if you only have that closed of a mind.
UndercoverCracker 1 year ago
@UndercoverCracker How can you believe in something you can see ? please explain me !
chry200875 1 year ago
@chry200875 Faith.
UndercoverCracker 1 year ago
@chry200875: So you don't believe in protons??? Electrons?
espada9 1 year ago
Though I have hoped for a movie like Dune by David Lynch by Monsieur Amenábar but though the scenery was amazing and the costumes fitting still the characters and the story failed; not to mention the poor dialogues: The reference to the laws of Euclid was so ridiculous (read what Shakespeare made out of references to Pompey or Alexander the Great and Caesar and his commentaries); the actors do not convince as people from late antiquity but as modern folk. ...
GreatGrumbledook 1 year ago
And if this movie should pose some attempt to present science as a detractor of religion (especially the Christian one) I have to invoke Nietzsche about the inner alliance between the Ascetic Ideal and science:
GreatGrumbledook 1 year ago
Its relationship to the ascetic ideal is still not inherently antagonistic at all. Its even more that case that, for the most part, it represents the forward-driving force in the inner development of this ideal. Its resistance and struggle, when we inspect more closely, are not concerned in any way with the ideal itself, but only with its external trappings, clothing, masquerade, its temporary hardening, petrifaction, dogma. Science makes the life in this ideal free again, ...
GreatGrumbledook 1 year ago
since it denies what is exoteric in it. These two things, science and the ascetic ideal they really stand on a single foundation Ive just clarified the point namely, on the same overvaluing of the truth (or more correctly, on the same faith in the inestimable value of the truth, which is beyond criticism). In that very claim they are necessarily allies so that, if someone is going to fight against them, he can only fight them together and place them both in question. An appraisal of the value
GreatGrumbledook 1 year ago
of the ascetic ideal unavoidably also involves an appraisal of the value of science; while theres still time people should to keep their eyes open for that, their ears alert! (As for art let me offer a preliminary remark, for Ill be coming back to it at some point or other at greater length the very art in which the lie sanctifies itself and the will to deceive has good conscience on its side is much more fundamentally opposed to the ascetic ideal than is science:
GreatGrumbledook 1 year ago
thats what Platos instinct experienced the greatest enemy of art which Europe has produced up to this point. Plato versus Homer: thats the entire, the true antagonism on one side, the beyond of the best will, the great slanderer of life; on the other side, lifes unintentional worshipper, the golden nature.
GreatGrumbledook 1 year ago
This film is great, i saw it twice already its brilliant & sad at the same time, i even was one of the extras in it cos it was filmed in Malta. Sad how Hypatia died, damned witchcraft accusations from ppl claim to be holy.
KnightoftheCross1 1 year ago
Its not Christianity to blame for the wrong doing of crooked Christians. 1st of all Popes & bishops that command slaughter on ppl r NOT true Christians, even the same Christians that kill & break the 10 commandements especially for gain aren't true Christians. True christians never approve this pagan slaughter, the crusades, the inquisition etc. Many ppl throughout history claimed to be religious & righteous & twisted the word of God from holy to evil for gain of power & wealth.
KnightoftheCross1 1 year ago
well, there are so many people who claim to be true Christian (or true followers of any other faith or ideology). Any faith/ideology which claims to provide salvation for its true followers is always at risk at leading people to commit the most horrible crimes in the name of the true faith.
The 10 commandments btw only forbid the killing of a fellow Jew (or fellow believer), that is why the OT knows so many "crimes" punishable by death & so many wars. Coz killing isnt ruled out per se!
smallGatsby 1 year ago
Just by claiming ppl r true christians doesn't mean they r true christians. its not easy to be true christian. I know a couple, an arab guy slit their daughter's throat after dating her, they just forgave him, they visit him in prison, give him food & they love him. For me those r true christians. Its not what u claim its what u do. just because bad ppl used religion for their own gain doesn't mean religion is wrong, ex: a knife is used for kitchen but bad ppl kill with it.
KnightoftheCross1 1 year ago
Will we see this in cinemas in Australia? Or has the Catholic church suppressed it here too?
TheTechnomage 1 year ago
in which countries has the film be supressed? I'm asking out of curiosity.
But as a matter of fact: i can't find the film in an y UK cinema either.
smallGatsby 1 year ago
What do u mean the 10 commandments forbid only killing of a jew?? Thou shall not kill is for all ppls...
KnightoftheCross1 1 year ago
Looks absolutely brilliant. A pity it says so much about the times we currently live in.
TheTechnomage 1 year ago 2
A sad film but show how religion kills so many because someone reads some thing they way the words do what they want them to do....still that was many years ago but still not a lot has change now God has got more names and he is with them well thats what they tell everyone so after all that we are still not moved on. . . .
sleepingspider 2 years ago
wikipedia
Greco-Buddhism
Buddhism and Christianity
qaplatlhinganmaH 2 years ago
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""Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." Thomas Jefferson" - qaplat
"The Bible is the greatest blessing bestowed by God on the children of men -it is all pure" - John Locke
John Locke pwns Jefferson you fu&%in half-witt!!!
RideMyBMW 2 years ago
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." Thomas Jefferson
qaplatlhinganmaH 2 years ago 5
Fu&%in pagans...Christianity pwns the West.
RideMyBMW 2 years ago
scusate ma uscirà mai in italia?
MultiMaxfly 2 years ago
Questo film non verraì mai distribuito in Italia se il Vaticano continuera' a bloccarne l' uscita.
penniforever 2 years ago 3
I much long to see this movie as Alejandro Amenábar has proven himself to be an excellent director: Just watch Tesis or Abre los ojos! And if he got a decent writer for the script the story should work well: The rise of Christianity to power in the declining Roman Empire and the outrages its fanatics commit their; shown in the story of the philosopher Hypatia. I may quote Edward Gibbon himself instead of using my rough and all-unable pen:
GreatGrumbledook 2 years ago 2
"Hypatia, the daughter of Theon the mathematician, was initiated in her father's studies; her learned comments have elucidated the geometry of Apollonius and Diophantus, and she publicly taught, both at Athens and Alexandria, the philosophy of Plato and Aristotle. In the bloom of beauty, and in the maturity of wisdom, the modest maid refused her lovers and instructed her disciples; the persons most illustrious for their rank or merit were impatient to visit the female philosopher; (...)"
GreatGrumbledook 2 years ago 4
"(...) and Cyril beheld, with a jealous eye, the gorgeous train of horses and slaves who crowded the door of her academy. A rumor was spread among the Christians, that the daughter of Theon was the only obstacle to the reconciliation of the præfect and the archbishop; and that obstacle was speedily removed. On a fatal day, in the holy season of Lent, Hypatia was torn from her chariot, stripped naked, dragged to the church, and inhumanly butchered by the hands of Peter the reader, (...)"
GreatGrumbledook 2 years ago 3
"(...) and a troop of savage and merciless fanatics: her flesh was scraped from her bones with sharp oyster shells, and her quivering limbs were delivered to the flames. The just progress of inquiry and punishment was stopped by seasonable gifts; but the murder of Hypatia has imprinted an indelible stain on the character and religion of Cyril of Alexandria."
GreatGrumbledook 2 years ago 3
@GreatGrumbledook Whatta great woman!
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
@HistoryLover1550: [due to the HAL 9000 mad computer phenomena I will make the answer via my new internet incarnation] Sure, if she would have only depicted by a great actress and if a great poet would have written her lines; but so the actress playing her seems not to be a philosopher at all, the text is dumb and the story is boring; and worst of all: Modern wishful thinking about science, tolerance and other nonsense is mixed in the late antiquity.
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
@GreatGrumbledook I must say i do like what you have wrote someone who knows or has found out about the history .
sleepingspider 2 years ago
@sleepingspider: Well, if you like what I have quoted you should read Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon as I did found these words in his books.
GreatGrumbledook 2 years ago
Megan Fox shoula been in this... fu$%yeah!!!!
RideMyBMW 2 years ago
This is the story of the Greek women philosopher Ipatia, who was killed
When do you show in the cinema?
dionisosb 2 years ago 2
the best actor in this movie is Ashraf Barhom.
abusharif 2 years ago
wow, good movie its available to watch at 'bigmovies4free' - gr8 acting all the way through
daisyhotchy21 2 years ago
peccato che rappresentino sempre i romani come se fossero dell'alto impero, nel 391, c'erano orientali e barbari, non certo gli italici con la lorica segmentata dei tempi di augusto.
Gabriele1979 2 years ago
Ma tu l'hai visto in italiano?
TheInternetFan 2 years ago
ovviamente no non è stato neanche doppiato... facevo riferimento ai costumi della scenografia
Gabriele1979 2 years ago
Sí, sempre c`è qualche cosa che non va nei film "storici" ma il film e troppo bello: il messaggio è attuale e forse per quello più interesante. Non siamo cambiati troppo di quella epoca
verocaravaggio 2 years ago
Sì non metto in dubbio la bellezza e i valori espressi dal film, ma secondo me se si fossero usati costumi dell'epoca, si sarebbe data un'idea più decadente, quale realmente fu.
Quelle sono uniforme dell'età di Augusto e di Traiano, quando l'impero era pagano, ma tollerante e liberale, nel senso antico del termine, ben diverso dal basso impero quando una masnada di barbari barbuti era l'unico esercito di un potere cesaropapista intollerante e coercitivo..
Gabriele1979 2 years ago
Sí, hai ragione! Io voleva dire che ci sono delle persone che guardano tanto "le forme" (costumi, etc.) che non guardano il contenuto. Non é il tuo caso e hai ragione che se fosse stato più accurato , il risultato fosse stato meglio
Saluti!!!
verocaravaggio 2 years ago
spain is diferent
realparla 2 years ago
I saw it here in Spain last week and it was fabulous!! Perfect to me!! I recommed it to all of you....
sanyrub 2 years ago 4
i'm spanish and i saw it last saturday. Just to say that this film have something specia. It's a film for people who ask themselfs about life, religion... I think this director is brillant! This movie is dedicated to all that people who was interested about maths, astronomy and choose that option and not violence! VEry clever film.
frank2173 2 years ago 4
When did it come out?? It's not coming out in France in the cinemas, apparently )=
kanamoon 2 years ago
"Your god has not yet proven that his more merciful than his predecessor"
This movie will show that Christianity was also carved through violence just like Judaism & Islam
warnation101 2 years ago 33
Well, you know, it's not as if it wasn't a well known fact! There's a lot of ignorants out there, though, but historical facts are not exactly a secret and all bigger religions do have a lot of blood and violence in their origins, and even present.
Xiroi87 2 years ago
I watched it the last saturday, it's great... that's all
charmed1990spain 2 years ago
At last with this movie, we can have a taste from all the unhesitating slaughtering by Christians against Hellenes, against philosophy, against science against freedom.
mynick79 2 years ago 44
@mynick79 What about Islam??! People have been killing people ever since we became humans.....Humans have and will kill each other for many reasons, you cant say its becasue of religion or just one religion. Christians believe in freedom so thats just a stupid comment....Many even believe in science because God created us and we created science therefore......
UndercoverCracker 1 year ago
@mynick79: So you get your historical perspective from movies???
The French Revolution, the logical extreme conclusion of French Enlightenment atheism and "rationality" saw thousands murdered by the state.
This Reign of Terror, in the name of reason against religion, in just eleven months, from September 1793 to July 1794, killed between 20,000 and 40,000.
espada9 1 year ago
i see no ethiopians :-(
Ethioboi88 2 years ago
Viva Oscar Isaac!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
danicopterus2 2 years ago
Gibs den auf Deutsch auch?
AnsarYasin 2 years ago
Soviel ich weiß, ist er noch nicht in Deutschland angelaufen, der Originalton ist Spanisch
gauchokotso 2 years ago
English, es ist ein spanishe Filme, mit bisschen holywoodische Touch und Englischton (Geld, man muss es zuruck geben und mehr machen).
ikbenyo 2 years ago
Nein, die Original-Sprache ist Englisch.
PorkoRoso 2 years ago
I think will be a great movie!
alfeuarruda 2 years ago
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this looks kinda boring, wolfman will be good.
ya2121 2 years ago
genial!!!!
koldoish 2 years ago 3