A strange but true fact: In the event of nuclear device/s being exploded over Britain which would cause [so they say] a highly disruptive EMF effect on all electrical circuits, all road vehicles would be rendered useless - all electric/diesel locos would be useless. The ONLY form of mechanical traction available which WOULD work regardless, is the steam locomotive!
Maybe, in a just in case scenario, it would pay to keep a stud of steam locos salted away somewhere! After all, you NEVER know!
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thankyou for not adding music. to think I was alive when all this was going on even though I was 1 years old I was breathing. Because of my age, my sense of loss is related to the locomotives I remember that are now gone by that I mean the big Diesels produced by Britain but saying that, everything has a golden age the golden age of diesel is over but the golden age of all trains must have been steam. Looking at this video is a sense of loss of something I never had. Work for all those men.
I think I've commented before but this is cracking footage and I suspect would be of great interest to manufacturers and modellers alike. Personally I like the weathering that these last months of steam depict and this is an invaluable source of reference to replicate the "real thing" in miniature. 5** thanks for posting..
This is Rosegrove Burnley,filmed from the station island platform, empties on the "relief" road, bound for Yorkshire via Gannow junction, Copy Pit, Tod, etc. The motorwaynow runs exactly where the houses and the good-shed are.
the real reason that public tranport struggles in the uk is simple, we are over populated. in france if things are over crowded they put a new road or railway in. we have the same pop as france but only a quarter of the land
@HedgehogChopper France is just over twice the size of the UK not 4 times the size. Thanks for your stupid, useless, ignorant comment. Next time look up the facts before you post.
@Stormtrooper1488 i may be miss informed and i will look to check now, you on the other hand are just an ignorant fucker and no ammount of checking on your part will change that !!
@HedgehogChopper The area of Metropolitan France (French lands in Europe) is 213,000 square miles.
The total area of the UK is 94,000 square miles.
I said "France is just over twice the size of the UK not 4 times the size"
You said "we (the UK as in your quote) have the same pop as france but only a quarter of the land"
Hmmmm.... 213k is just over twice 94k last time I looked, not 4 times the size!!! Your 260k for france includes outlying colonies and protectorates etc
@HedgehogChopper Clearly Atlantic Islands and Antartica (or whatever) have no relevance to public transport development in the metropolitan area. So lets compare areas in Europe ie 213 k versus 94 k.
Even on your completely wrong figures of 260 versus 94, France is less than 3 times the size, not 4 times!! QED; you are owned.
Please learn to do research properly (and also even to spell "research" properly would be a good start !!) before you go posting dumb fuck-wit ignorant comments again.
niether of us were right but we will not say we are wrong. fact remains that when i was in france, most of the area's are sparsly populated and running new infrastructure through is going to be easier than in the more heavily populated uk
@HedgehogChopper 213 is just over twice 94, in my book, so therefore I was right.
But I agree with your general point about much sparser population and more room for infrastructure.
In regards to spelling I recommend you get Firefox browser with inbuilt checker for forms or the Google add on. It won't sort out "there, their, and they're ," but it will underline words like reserch in red and when when you right click on it, it will offer "research" as number one suggestion ;-)
@HedgehogChopper Aw don't worry about it. Too many people nit-picking about spelling on here. As long as people understand what you meant is what matters. It's like being back at school on here sometimes.
Actually, this video clearly shows the real reason why steam was withdrawn -- more than 80% of steam locos could only run backwards! The modern railway needs trains capable of running in both directions.
@ratboyproductions Going to have to disagree there, despite being someone who enjoys a good steam excursion. They simply aren't fast, or efficient enough in the modern world. Even the Mallard at dangerously high speeds is not the Eurostar, and could not perform the same function. It is good to remember the old times, but also good to move to the new times (if the new times are well organised...which has nothing to do with steam trains).
@edj66 everything you say there is true and I don't disagree with you, and I never denied that (ratboyproductions is my old profile). But steam has soul, something that the modern day trains don't have.
And as for France, well, look beyond the glitter of the TGV and you'll see an investment-starved service with far fewer trains per day than you're used to.
If Labour had kept their hands off after 1997, privatised Railtrack would still be diverting investment into dividends, and we'd still be having major accidents every few months.
The hassle on GB trains these days is actually caused by the success of the privatisation; many more trains but too many more people on 'em. Infrastructure investment to relieve this still has too low a priority.
BTW, German inter-city routes generally run an hourly schedule, i.e. half as frequent as in GB.
I can remember scenes like these as a boy standing on Southampton Central, some memories stay with you. Great monsters thundering through the station the noise and the smell it never leaves you.Thanks.
There was a much bigger pratt called Serpell who advocated cutting down Britain's rail mileage to under 2,000 miles. (I think it is about 11,000 at the moment.)
What's really needed is to re-open the GCR 'London Extension'. A new trunk line is a virtual certainty for environmental reasons. Only a matter of time. So let's build it now before it costs more to do.
The Serpell Report was produced by a committee chaired by Sir David Serpell, a senior civil servant. It was commissioned by the government of Margaret Thatcher to examine the state and long-term prospects of Great Britain's railway system. There were two main parts to the report. The first (and lengthier) part described in detail at the state of British Rail's finances in 1982. The second part looked at various options for a future (1992) rail network,
You do know British Rail was a financial liability right? if anything, nationalisation in 1948 ruined Britain's railways. They didn't even turn a profit until the introduction of the HST in 1976.
If anything, Atlee ruined them not Beeching. If the LNER, SR, GWR & LMS had been left alone they probably would have rebuilt after the war and carried on. Of course Labour just love to ruin things. Macmillan should have just privatised the whole thing again in the 50's.
Shut up idiot, why does everything have to make a profit?? Its a public service privitisation really worked didn't it? You very nearly ruined the lot.
No it's a business. That's why the "Big Four" were so succesful and BR wasn't. Competition provides better service. Having one big company doesn't. It's just to keep people in jobs rather than having a focus on service.
If Labour had kept their hands off after 1997, then maybe things wouldn't be silly. The strong companies would have survived and the weak ones gone under. And taxpayers who didn't use it wouldn't have had to foot the bill.
'competition provides better service'. Now, let me see what has happened on the buses after the 1985 Transport (Deregulation)Act. Stagecoach, First and Arriva monopolise. And fares have doubled. Nice.
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Yeah but I don't use a bus so at least my tax isn't being wasted on it or the railways. The government should step back from providing these things and congestion charging completely.
I'd like to see anyone justify that BR was better than any of the big four. The term "Public Service" is nostalgia and a weak defence for the Socialist state.
Only thing BR was good for was uniform colour schemes meaning I can king GWR "Kings" & LNER A4's next to each other without them looking odd.
Your comments are right, mate, but most state railways are run at a paper loss and propped up by 'the people' ie:us. Just as the NHS, Army/Navy/RAF police (riddled with corruption) RBS and Northern Rock are. On the whole though deregulation has been a disaster.
Do you not think a decent public transport system, even subsidised, would be beneficial? Or do you think we should all drive to work? You dont like to pay taxes? I love it now traveling by train, having to book 6 months in advance to have a chance of seat at a reasonable price, trains running with 3 cars regardless of bank holidays. You miss your designated conection so have to stand again then argue about your ticket. No relief trains,no extra trains, constant work on lines at weekends
Hey, if Atlee hadn't nationalised the railways we might not be in this mess. Don't blame me for it. If the big four were still around, you wouldn't need subsidies.
Labour and the Conservatives never have and never will understand how to run railways.
"Competition provides better service." Who told you that! I hadn't noticed. Private companies operate for profit above all else. B.R. operated as a public service where moving passengers & goods around as a service was their priority. They didn't spend time trying to chisel money off people at every opportunity like the TOCs do now and they provided a service as good as the one run today by the privatised companies. Having experienced both the shift in emphasis is really noticable.
@theredraven Sorry, that is complete rubbish. The railways were loss making pre-war and knackered post-war. They would have gone bust without government iintervention. Bloody railways are loss making now without government subsidies.
Erm people, people. May i suggest looking to Germany and France etc. Your argument about whether or not the state should activily involve itself in public transport lies there. Not perfect, but damn well close.
You would have needed a very expensive professional camera to shoot 35mm something that would have been out of the average persons price range. Even 16mm was very expensive for both equipment and film stock/processing, as I owned two Arriflex 16mm cameras. It could be 16mm but it's hard to tell on You Tube because it isn't the best way to show off decent video. If you look at my channel and click on the Ford Granada 16mm footage you'll see what I mean.
Windermere did have a turntable too yes...such a shame to see how Oxenholme, Kendal and Windermere stations were like to what they are now, kinda brings a lump to the throat, especially with Kendals yards and sheds too.
Great memories, Lostock Hall was one of the last sheds to house steam I believe. Tks for the posting.
Mounhas 3 months ago
press 5 for a BURNOUT
cool, lol i didn't even think that was possible with a steam loco
datawraith3080 11 months ago
hard to believe that 1 year later man would walk on the moon,, how technology changes everything =)
andysim232 11 months ago
A strange but true fact: In the event of nuclear device/s being exploded over Britain which would cause [so they say] a highly disruptive EMF effect on all electrical circuits, all road vehicles would be rendered useless - all electric/diesel locos would be useless. The ONLY form of mechanical traction available which WOULD work regardless, is the steam locomotive!
Maybe, in a just in case scenario, it would pay to keep a stud of steam locos salted away somewhere! After all, you NEVER know!
colliecandle 1 year ago
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Hello from the colonies Mr. Bidger. Dad and I enjoying your cinematic achievments on the "youtube." Marvelous! Warm Regards from the States. - Bob Sr / Rob Jr.
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rheuermann1 1 year ago
Hello from the colonies Mr. Bidger. Dad and I enjoying your cinematic achievments on the "youtube." Marvelous!
Warm Regards from the States. - Bob Sr / Rob Jr.
rheuermann1 1 year ago
thankyou for not adding music. to think I was alive when all this was going on even though I was 1 years old I was breathing. Because of my age, my sense of loss is related to the locomotives I remember that are now gone by that I mean the big Diesels produced by Britain but saying that, everything has a golden age the golden age of diesel is over but the golden age of all trains must have been steam. Looking at this video is a sense of loss of something I never had. Work for all those men.
67genxer 1 year ago
I think I've commented before but this is cracking footage and I suspect would be of great interest to manufacturers and modellers alike. Personally I like the weathering that these last months of steam depict and this is an invaluable source of reference to replicate the "real thing" in miniature. 5** thanks for posting..
waldenhouse 1 year ago
Thanks for the memory
MrStan1941 1 year ago
This is Rosegrove Burnley,filmed from the station island platform, empties on the "relief" road, bound for Yorkshire via Gannow junction, Copy Pit, Tod, etc. The motorwaynow runs exactly where the houses and the good-shed are.
upatebo 2 years ago
the real reason that public tranport struggles in the uk is simple, we are over populated. in france if things are over crowded they put a new road or railway in. we have the same pop as france but only a quarter of the land
HedgehogChopper 2 years ago
@HedgehogChopper France is just over twice the size of the UK not 4 times the size. Thanks for your stupid, useless, ignorant comment. Next time look up the facts before you post.
Stormtrooper1488 1 year ago
@Stormtrooper1488 i may be miss informed and i will look to check now, you on the other hand are just an ignorant fucker and no ammount of checking on your part will change that !!
HedgehogChopper 1 year ago
@HedgehogChopper
reserch and facts
france 260588 square miles total pop 65 mil
england 50346 square miles total pop 49 mil
uk 94060 square miles total pop 62 mil
go figure
HedgehogChopper 1 year ago
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@HedgehogChopper The area of Metropolitan France (French lands in Europe) is 213,000 square miles.
The total area of the UK is 94,000 square miles.
I said "France is just over twice the size of the UK not 4 times the size"
You said "we (the UK as in your quote) have the same pop as france but only a quarter of the land"
Hmmmm.... 213k is just over twice 94k last time I looked, not 4 times the size!!! Your 260k for france includes outlying colonies and protectorates etc
Stormtrooper1488 1 year ago
@HedgehogChopper Clearly Atlantic Islands and Antartica (or whatever) have no relevance to public transport development in the metropolitan area. So lets compare areas in Europe ie 213 k versus 94 k.
Even on your completely wrong figures of 260 versus 94, France is less than 3 times the size, not 4 times!! QED; you are owned.
Please learn to do research properly (and also even to spell "research" properly would be a good start !!) before you go posting dumb fuck-wit ignorant comments again.
Stormtrooper1488 1 year ago
@Stormtrooper1488
niether of us were right but we will not say we are wrong. fact remains that when i was in france, most of the area's are sparsly populated and running new infrastructure through is going to be easier than in the more heavily populated uk
rob
HedgehogChopper 1 year ago
@HedgehogChopper 213 is just over twice 94, in my book, so therefore I was right.
But I agree with your general point about much sparser population and more room for infrastructure.
In regards to spelling I recommend you get Firefox browser with inbuilt checker for forms or the Google add on. It won't sort out "there, their, and they're ," but it will underline words like reserch in red and when when you right click on it, it will offer "research" as number one suggestion ;-)
Stormtrooper1488 1 year ago
@Stormtrooper1488 btw im dyslexic and realy struggle with spelling
HedgehogChopper 1 year ago
@HedgehogChopper Aw don't worry about it. Too many people nit-picking about spelling on here. As long as people understand what you meant is what matters. It's like being back at school on here sometimes.
FaerieCrone 3 weeks ago
Actually, this video clearly shows the real reason why steam was withdrawn -- more than 80% of steam locos could only run backwards! The modern railway needs trains capable of running in both directions.
beeble2003 2 years ago
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camsprocketpinion 2 years ago
one of the worst things this country ever did was get rid of steam
ratboyproductions 2 years ago
How?
A Deltic is faster and cheaper than an A4.
A 225 can do the WCML faster than a Duchess or King.
theredraven 2 years ago
@theredraven lol thats true, but steam is something more than just trains. I don't care about speed.
ratboyproductions 2 years ago
@ratboyproductions Going to have to disagree there, despite being someone who enjoys a good steam excursion. They simply aren't fast, or efficient enough in the modern world. Even the Mallard at dangerously high speeds is not the Eurostar, and could not perform the same function. It is good to remember the old times, but also good to move to the new times (if the new times are well organised...which has nothing to do with steam trains).
edj66 1 year ago
@edj66 everything you say there is true and I don't disagree with you, and I never denied that (ratboyproductions is my old profile). But steam has soul, something that the modern day trains don't have.
RatboyLimited 1 year ago
"Competition does better better service" but it is with Heritage lines that this is true. As an active voluteer, these lines:
1) regenerate the rural economy
2) Provide great tourist destinations enjoyed both by old and young
3) And mostly importantly, preserve for future generations the classical images seen in this great clip.
Lets hope all heritage lines get stronger and expand!
cleckheatoncentral 2 years ago
Great Video, 5 Stars!
60103Henry 2 years ago
And as for France, well, look beyond the glitter of the TGV and you'll see an investment-starved service with far fewer trains per day than you're used to.
tfftfftff86 2 years ago 2
If Labour had kept their hands off after 1997, privatised Railtrack would still be diverting investment into dividends, and we'd still be having major accidents every few months.
The hassle on GB trains these days is actually caused by the success of the privatisation; many more trains but too many more people on 'em. Infrastructure investment to relieve this still has too low a priority.
BTW, German inter-city routes generally run an hourly schedule, i.e. half as frequent as in GB.
tfftfftff86 2 years ago 2
Glad you enjoyed the clips - loads more on the DVD!
svsfilm 3 years ago
Thanks for these little gems, they are really appreciated
Jonny7railways 3 years ago
I can remember scenes like these as a boy standing on Southampton Central, some memories stay with you. Great monsters thundering through the station the noise and the smell it never leaves you.Thanks.
hellochuffy 3 years ago 9
I echo your words, but that of someone in a different region
Jonny7railways 3 years ago 3
I saw them just up the line, thundering through Winchester (where I spent my holidays). Thrilling stuff.
SteffanLlwyd 3 years ago
@hellochuffy How wonderful to have those memories!
Gnickk 1 year ago
thankyou very much Dr Beeching, thankyou for ruining britains railways, fantastic footage
UBIQUEROL 3 years ago
There was a much bigger pratt called Serpell who advocated cutting down Britain's rail mileage to under 2,000 miles. (I think it is about 11,000 at the moment.)
What's really needed is to re-open the GCR 'London Extension'. A new trunk line is a virtual certainty for environmental reasons. Only a matter of time. So let's build it now before it costs more to do.
Priceless vid. by the way! Thanks.
SteffanLlwyd 3 years ago
The Serpell Report was produced by a committee chaired by Sir David Serpell, a senior civil servant. It was commissioned by the government of Margaret Thatcher to examine the state and long-term prospects of Great Britain's railway system. There were two main parts to the report. The first (and lengthier) part described in detail at the state of British Rail's finances in 1982. The second part looked at various options for a future (1992) rail network,
DADRENO 3 years ago
You do know British Rail was a financial liability right? if anything, nationalisation in 1948 ruined Britain's railways. They didn't even turn a profit until the introduction of the HST in 1976.
If anything, Atlee ruined them not Beeching. If the LNER, SR, GWR & LMS had been left alone they probably would have rebuilt after the war and carried on. Of course Labour just love to ruin things. Macmillan should have just privatised the whole thing again in the 50's.
theredraven 3 years ago
Shut up idiot, why does everything have to make a profit?? Its a public service privitisation really worked didn't it? You very nearly ruined the lot.
millseypne32 2 years ago
No it's a business. That's why the "Big Four" were so succesful and BR wasn't. Competition provides better service. Having one big company doesn't. It's just to keep people in jobs rather than having a focus on service.
If Labour had kept their hands off after 1997, then maybe things wouldn't be silly. The strong companies would have survived and the weak ones gone under. And taxpayers who didn't use it wouldn't have had to foot the bill.
I'm not the idiot here.
theredraven 2 years ago
'competition provides better service'. Now, let me see what has happened on the buses after the 1985 Transport (Deregulation)Act. Stagecoach, First and Arriva monopolise. And fares have doubled. Nice.
bluebus270 2 years ago
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Yeah but I don't use a bus so at least my tax isn't being wasted on it or the railways. The government should step back from providing these things and congestion charging completely.
I'd like to see anyone justify that BR was better than any of the big four. The term "Public Service" is nostalgia and a weak defence for the Socialist state.
Only thing BR was good for was uniform colour schemes meaning I can king GWR "Kings" & LNER A4's next to each other without them looking odd.
theredraven 2 years ago
Your comments are right, mate, but most state railways are run at a paper loss and propped up by 'the people' ie:us. Just as the NHS, Army/Navy/RAF police (riddled with corruption) RBS and Northern Rock are. On the whole though deregulation has been a disaster.
bluebus270 2 years ago
Do you not think a decent public transport system, even subsidised, would be beneficial? Or do you think we should all drive to work? You dont like to pay taxes? I love it now traveling by train, having to book 6 months in advance to have a chance of seat at a reasonable price, trains running with 3 cars regardless of bank holidays. You miss your designated conection so have to stand again then argue about your ticket. No relief trains,no extra trains, constant work on lines at weekends
millseypne32 2 years ago 10
Hey, if Atlee hadn't nationalised the railways we might not be in this mess. Don't blame me for it. If the big four were still around, you wouldn't need subsidies.
Labour and the Conservatives never have and never will understand how to run railways.
theredraven 2 years ago
Now that I do agree with.
millseypne32 2 years ago
"Competition provides better service." Who told you that! I hadn't noticed. Private companies operate for profit above all else. B.R. operated as a public service where moving passengers & goods around as a service was their priority. They didn't spend time trying to chisel money off people at every opportunity like the TOCs do now and they provided a service as good as the one run today by the privatised companies. Having experienced both the shift in emphasis is really noticable.
katherine232 2 years ago 2
I thought their priority was sucking the taxpayer dry?
Shame people forget before the war and Labours meddling in 1948 that the railways had been run quite well privately.
theredraven 2 years ago
@theredraven Sorry, that is complete rubbish. The railways were loss making pre-war and knackered post-war. They would have gone bust without government iintervention. Bloody railways are loss making now without government subsidies.
"Run quite well privately?" - Remarkable!
NN2Blue 1 year ago
@NN2Blue Actually they get very large subsidies still. Anyone who thinks we have a privatised railway should think again.
theredraven 1 year ago
@theredraven Agreed.
NN2Blue 1 year ago
Erm people, people. May i suggest looking to Germany and France etc. Your argument about whether or not the state should activily involve itself in public transport lies there. Not perfect, but damn well close.
applecounty 2 years ago
The Severn Valley Railway is well worth visiting to all train buffs!
xxbyronx 3 years ago
Good stuff. Did you shoot this on 16mm or Super/Standard 8mm?
airscrew1 3 years ago
i would of thought 35mm
UBIQUEROL 3 years ago
That's not 35mm footage.
airscrew1 3 years ago
how can you tell?, i'm no expert on film
UBIQUEROL 3 years ago
You would have needed a very expensive professional camera to shoot 35mm something that would have been out of the average persons price range. Even 16mm was very expensive for both equipment and film stock/processing, as I owned two Arriflex 16mm cameras. It could be 16mm but it's hard to tell on You Tube because it isn't the best way to show off decent video. If you look at my channel and click on the Ford Granada 16mm footage you'll see what I mean.
airscrew1 3 years ago
oh right, thankyou very much
UBIQUEROL 3 years ago
lovely locomotive bloody desils scrap the bleedin lot put "REAL" engins back on the rails!
globalvelveta 3 years ago
Steam engines seem to be living objects! Each machine is unique!
xxbyronx 3 years ago
I like the wheelslip at 00:56. Tasty :-)
clagfest 3 years ago
If you printed a US compatible version of this DVD, I would buy it.
gguru1 3 years ago
we had the hst only 5 years later. things moved on quick.
DKane95 3 years ago
great film 55555
bathspacentral 3 years ago
Fantastic, may well have to buy a copy too.....shame no Oxenholme footage, would have loved to have seen the sheds and turntable in action.
TraineeGynaecologist 4 years ago
I agree love to see them too. Must be someone out there with them , didn't Windermere have a turntable too
Salamanca72 3 years ago
Windermere did have a turntable too yes...such a shame to see how Oxenholme, Kendal and Windermere stations were like to what they are now, kinda brings a lump to the throat, especially with Kendals yards and sheds too.
TraineeGynaecologist 3 years ago
Awesome! I might have to invest!
porter6669196327 4 years ago