"the curse" was preserved through the Egyptians (Abraham 1:21) Joseph Smith claimed to be from the tribe of Ephrain, son Joseph who married and had children with his Egyptian wife (Gen 41:50-52). So according to the Book of Abraham, Jospeph Smith would be ineligible to hold the Mormon priesthood!
The Mormons own the Hill Cumorah, Carthage Jail,(Which is now slathered in pentagrams and other occult symbols) and Mountain Meadows Massacre monument. Not often the perps of major crimes also purchase the scene of the crime. There is a secret tow line between Mormonism and Freemasonry. Thus the impunity they incur for all their violence. both are instrumental in world deception spiritually and morally/religion
@Sk8er408 Mormon forefathers bore their testimonies for a different set of doctrines that are now said to be false by the current LDS church.Some of these doctrines were: Adam as God, polygamy is essential to salvation, blacks will be denied the priesthood until the second comming of Christ, and blood atonment. If your forefathers testimonies can't be trusted, what makes you so sure yours can be trusted? What makes you better then them?
They did not teach that Adam was God the way you portray it... that makes you a deceiver... whether by your ignorance or not... you are still deceiving.
@Sk8er408 Brigham Young — God revealed Adam-God doctrine to him, Adam holds the keys of everlasting life and salvation to all. Deseret News, p. 308 (June 18, 1873)
@Sk8er408 Hosea Stout — "President B. Young taught that Adam was the father of Jesus and the only God to us." Diary of Hosea Stout, vol. 2, p. 435 (April 9, 1852)
Affirmation of Brigham's teaching that Adam is "our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." Millennial Star, vol. 17, p. 195 (1855)
•Spencer W. Kimball — "We denounce that theory [Adam-God] and hope that everyone will be cautioned against this and other kinds of false doctrine." Conference Report, p. 115 (October 1-3, 1976)
ye of little knowledge... or none at all. This was taken from short hand notes... that came to be the JoD. Or can you prove it otherwise? The JoD is not a rock solid book as you try to make it when it comes to the early writings as they relied on incomplete notes taken in short hand. But i guess you accept all commentary on the bible right? If not please don't put a double standard on the JoD that you yourself do not follow... That is what i would call "lying" to yourself.
He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom we have to do.
Journal of Discourses, Vol.1, p.51, Brigham Young, April 9, 1852
Brigham Young taught that Adam was "our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." He finished this message by saying, "Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation" (Journal of Discourses 1:50,51). Notice Young called this teaching a "doctrine," not a "theory".
@Sk8er408 "It affords me great pleasure in being able to put in your possession the words of the Apostles and Prophets, as they were spoken in assemblies of the Saints in Zion, the value of which cannot be estimated by man, not so much for any great display of worldly learning and eloquence, as for the purity of doctrine, simplicity of style, and extensive amount of theological truth which they develop."
@Sk8er408 Members were encouraged to purchase a set to enhance their understanding of Mormon truth claims. A banner that read "The Voices of Prophets!" The ad was offering a set of the Journal for a discounted price of $100, telling members that they "should take this opportunity of owning the written words of remarkable teachings from the LDS pulpit. To the clear and vigorous exposition of Latter-day Saint doctrine is added the unmistakable authority of divine inspiration."
No one is saying it is not good stuff... just dont believe every thing you read... you seem to be a selective reader... that is a attribute of a deceiver.
What's truly sad is you wear Satans apron and you are living in Occult bondage. Remember when Satan told you If you do not walk up to every covenant you made at these altars this day, they will be in his power!"
@Sk8er408 When Watt first produced the Journal, there seemed to be no question that what was recorded was the actual words and beliefs of men chosen by God to lead his latter-day church. In his introduction to the first issue, Watt proclaimed,
•Spencer W. Kimball — "We denounce that theory [Adam-God] and hope that everyone will be cautioned against this and other kinds of false doctrine." Conference Report, p. 115 (October 1-3, 1976)
the dna primarly shows asia yes, but the lamanite decendants most probably mixed with other natives that came across from asia, we never claimed that the jaradites, nephites, and lamanites were the only ones here. read Jacob. in fact they have found some isrelite dna as well. so that's debunked! when people first settled westren NY and other areas they found thousands of weapons and ancient artifacts which they had no clue where they came from. the facts of book of mormon geography are not known
Book of Mormon geography does not exist. Your response is cult recruit excuses. JW's are just as ridiculous and still knock doors despite the overwhelming evidence they taught falsehoods for over 100 years much like LDS leaders.
No book of Mormon artifacts ever found. They don't exist.
Why waste your time defending lying cult leaders. Look at JW's, look at Scientologists then take a good look at yourself.
@ElderJoseph what are you talking about? Countless artifacts have been found to support the theory of a nephite culture the United states. Just say they dont exist is not much of an argument. Haplogroup X was found in the ohio area which supports the theory of nephites which came from israel. There are also lots of similarities between the hopewell culture and the BoM nephites. The evidence is there, whether you decide to excuse them away or not is up to you.
@jovanbiljon There are no artifacts supporting a Nephite culture in any museum.
And if thereare artifacts supporting a Nephite culture in the Unites States then why are LDS church apologists doing there best to claim the Nephites lived in MesoAmerica and NOT the United States?
The whole thing is completely ridiculous.
NOTHING AT HILL CUMORAH NEW YORK and NEVER WILL BE for obvious reasons!
@ElderJoseph Like I said just flat out rfusing to believe any artifacts have been found when man have does not make for a good argument. Southern Illinois is nick named little egypt because of the vast amount of artifacts found in the region which could be linked to the nephites. And many mormons do believe that the BoM took place in central america but the church its self has not stated that. It's perfectly plausible for the civilization to have lived in the U.S.
@ElderJoseph Also if you could give me a reference as to what LDS members or leaders stated as fact that the nephite civilization took place in central america I would appreciate it.
@jovanbiljon Read FAIRS and FARMS BYU Asspologists. They are 'marketing' The Central America Limited Geography Fantasy and oppose Rodney Meldrums US Fantasy.
There is as much as evidence for BofM Nephite Civilisations as there is for my prior civilisation when I was King of the World. That is how ridiculous Mormonism really is. Joseph Smith made the whole thing up, what is so difficult to understand? You might as well join the Jehovahs Witnesses(another ridiculous cult).
@ElderJoseph Ok so everyone has to have the same opinion in order for a religion to be correct? The book of mormon does not say the "Nephites were in the United States" so of course its open to interpretation. Members are entitled to their own opinions on where they think the BoM took place. The important thing is the doctines the book teaches not so much where it took place.
@jovanbiljon "The important thing is the doctines the book teaches not so much where it took place." It never took place anywhere. Thats the Scam of Joseph Smith. How would you like it if LDS families were being ripped apart by a religious cult claiming ancient civilisations and scriptures that never existed?
Would you just sit there quietly? LDS does not tell the truth about itself or its origins when recruiting. Look at JW's and their lying history then take a look at yourselves.
@ElderJoseph LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What are you talking about??? Are you that ignorant about the LDS church? How is it "ripping" apart families? do you know how important families are in the church? Families are crucial to the church. Also to clarify we are NOT a cult. What truth do you claim we don't tell? This conversation has almost no substance now thanks to you, have a great day sir!
@jovanbiljon I spent two years 'investigating' and actively.
I was sick of hearing members being extorted of tithe money because they didn't want to SPLIT up their families.
Your concept of family is deceptive. ONLY Tithe paying Throat slitting(pre 1990 Endowment) Temple recommend holders have a chance of CK, the rest end up in a lesser kingdom without functioning sexual reproductive organs.
@jovanbiljon The LDS cult usesFamily to TRAP people into paying and obeying cult leaders. Smith used 'family' to exploit his followers and used 'eternal' family to coerce 14 year old Helen Marr Kimball into marrying him.
The worst thing that ever happened to family is when the LDS use it to exploit people into serving the cult. Do you even attend the church or listen to what is effectively being taught? Families are to be SPLIT between 3 Mormon Kingdoms.
@ElderJoseph The church extorts tithe from families?............ sigh... this seems almost to rediculous to counter.
The church always helps families in times of financial difficulties. If you cant make a tithe payment because your finances are truly stretched to thin the church does not condem you to hell. Second the family is NOT split up into 3 kingdoms. the family will stay together due to being sealed granted they all live a lifestyle worthy of making it to the celestial kingdom.
@jovanbiljon The church does not help families with financial difficulties. The local ward members MAY DO with additional FAST offerings. BUT Tithes are sent to HQ in Salt Lake and as far as I know do not get refunded for families in difficulty.
And lifestyle worthy of Celestial Kingdom means PAY the LDS extortion Racket in Salt Lake. Thats my point. This church is not about families forever. It's about extorting money via threats of families being broken up in 3 kingdoms,also Tithe or BURN !
@ElderJoseph Alright dude its clear you'll make up pretty much anything in an attempt to make the church look bad. Its a good thing you come off as crazy so people dont take you seriously anyway. Think about getting a hobby it might help.
@jovanbiljon "Alright dude its clear you'll make up pretty much anything in an attempt "
But nothing is made up, thats the problem with your response. You haven't investigated the church properly yourself. have you ever seen a financial statement of where Tithe is spent?
Only fast offerings are for local welfare purposes. Do you know of Tithes being used coming back from HQ?
When a local ward member died penniless, the ward members paid for his funeral and NOT the HQ in Salt Lake.
@ElderJoseph Tithe or BURN ! LDS Gospel Principles page 210 (D&C 64:23). Check it out yourself. I may be angry but I'm not crazy.
Local Ward members were very sincere, howevermy gripe is not them or yourself. It's with the leaders who deceive and manipulate you.
I understand why you defend the 'church'. I would do the same as I used to do with 'opposition' I experienced myself until I decided I couldn't withhold facts from family and friends anymore. I was turning into a cult recruit.
@Sk8er408 JW's have FAITH. They SHUN family because of FAITH. They KNOW for a FACT they are the only true church!
Warren Jeff's Mormon followers have FAITH you speak about. Would you allow them to convert your females and subsequently marry polygamously the arshole leaders that claim to be prophets and marrying them will ensure CK salvation?
911 bombers operated through FAITH. They KNEW they would be marrying polygamously after the airplanes smashed their targets.
Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
@Sk8er408 Yes great scripture that no one follows. Not one Mormon I know has cut off their hands even though they cause them to SIN.
I did know someone who plucked his eye out. He became mentally ill after he realised his cult religion was to blame for his marriage ending in divorce.
I wonder where he got that idea to pluck his eye out?
See... it is not talking about your body but the people you hang out with... Have you ever heard of avoiding the appearance of evil? Only those that are without the Spirit do not understand this simple truth. Continue on in your blind interpretation of the Bible.
You have heard of the body of Christ right and understand what it means?
I think JW'smust use that interpretation to isolate themselves from the evil outside world as well.
I agree with you.And you could extend that to If you are watching TV and it shows for entertainment a man cheating on his wife/deceiving her etc then TURN IT OFF!
However when I found out Joseph Smith was doing the same I decided to turn him off!
Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and learn that I have loved you.
@Sk8er408 I posted one last video on Adam=God. That's the damnedest theology you guys have. And why would the gold plates be buried in Cumorah and the entire civilization and their remains be in South America, or any other place? Mormon tells us the plates were buried in Cumorah. Yet not an iota of evidence exists for Mormon culture beyond the BofM. Is it fair to say Mormon/Moroni walked thousands of Miles and buried a sacred history in an arbitrary drumlin?
@Sk8er408 Weird theology is Adam=God, polytheistic god, polygamous god, polygamous Jesus. And a polygamy that denies me my marriage, it is nullified. Any wife is under threat for non compliance with Mormon polygamy. All that and more sounds weird to me. But it's your problem
@Sk8er408 "I alone are in the belief of it"?? No, it was Joe and Briggy. They in turn duped more Mojo's and so on. I've only found a couple of Mormons embracing it. Like LDS4ever71. Omiolo. If can reject Adam=God reject polygamy and polytheism. then you're free!
@Sk8er408 I Read and Understand. Why can't you? Acknowledge Adam=God, your Mormon polygamy revelation, polytheism, universe of pre existing matter with 'men" born into it and becoming gods, a polygamous Jesus, and all the rest of it. Why reject Adam=God? reject it all, do a 180 and run right into the arms of the living creator of the universe.
@Sk8er408 Well, there you go, you embrace Adam=God doctrine and reject my publication of this doctrine. My view on it is this: it's from evil. You disagree.
@Sk8er408 Have you lost it? Where is Moses=God? Not on the Mount did Moses see God so how can he Be God? The serpent is "That old serpent, Satan". Just like the Bible says.... And the sexual symbolism in the garden and with Moses is paramount. The were partying too much and were become ill. Moses made a bronze serpent. For their sins. and they were healed. In the Mormon endowment ceremony Satan in the garden and the sexual aspects of that scene were literally acted out, with Eliza Snow as Eve!
@Sk8er408 Moses=God wont work. The serpent in the wilderness wasn't to be worshiped like a god. Thus it was crushed. Into dust, into the earth. (and the Mormon prophesy "Hissing from the earth" is a confession of it's ophiolatry and satan worship) "As Moses raised up the serpent, so must the son of man be...." is for you sins. It's your fault. When you focus on the wrong image you murder, commit all sorts of sins. Polygamy, blood atonement, for instance.
@Sk8er408 Your own words betray your error: Moses=God.. A tabernacle is not a Temple. Mt17:4 isn't addressing Moses, Elijah for worship as gods. Mormonism is stuck in the OT ritual blood sacrifice. Thus you curse blacks. Under JC and Ethiopian eunuch of Queen Candide was baptized on the side of the road. Acts 8:27. Not Possible in Mormonism. (I read Luke 17:4 earlier, thus the ref to sin/forgive)
@Sk8er408 You're lost in Mormonism. All your definitions are Mormon, not Christian. This is the problem with Mormonism. It takes words well established thru time. Redefines them and when you have a conversation with a Mormon it turns out you're in two worlds. A Christian world and a Mormon nightmare. The Mormon tabernacle is a human body, a Jewish Temple of ritual animal sacrifice and a plane old tabernacle. God does not dwell in a temple made by man. Jewish nor Mormon.
@Sk8er408 God appointed only one temple to reflect the fact that there is only one true God (Deuteronomy 12:5,13-14; 16:5,6). By contrast, the Mormon Church operates scores of temples, in violation of this divine mandate.
So LDS redefine things… Like the Christian redefinition of what a cult is to exclude themselves? Sad to see you lie to yourself. Truly…
The Children of Israel did not perform animal sacrifice in the tabernacle. If G-d does not dwell in a temple then why does it say so in the OT about G-d sitting upon the mercy seat (which was found in the tabernacle between the cherubim)? Brings new meaning to the world being his footstool or worship at his footstool.
@Sk8er408 If I were you I wold focus on the NT and see the light. God doesn't dwell in a temple made by mans hands. Ezekiel saw Gods glory leave it, too. Ez10:18 Of course the temple was used for ritual animal sacrifice, where have you been? A major effect of JC death is the end of ritual animal sacrifice. When Jews build a temple in Jerusalem they will Immediately slaughter a red heifer. It's in the OT, where Jews live, not the NT where Christian live. You live in the OT, so get up to speed
Only priests were allowed to enter the biblical temple. Worshippers – even the king of Israel5 – came no further than the altar of burnt offering in the courtyard. Since non-priests are allowed to enter and participate in Mormon temple activities, this is another point at which Mormon temple practice violates biblical revelation
All activities in the biblical temple were public knowledge. They are spelled out in detail in Scripture (for example, Exodus 30:7-10; Leviticus 4:5-7; 16:1-34; 24:1-9).6 The Bible warns the Christian against participation in secret activities (Matthew 10:26-27; Ephesians 5:11-12). And Jesus affirmed that He had no secret teachings, “I spake openly to the world … in secret have I said nothing” (John 18:20). In sharp contrast, the Mormon Church’s insists on keeping its temple rituals secret.
@Sk8er408 4.The Bible sets forth strict lineage requirements for the Aaronic priesthood. It teaches very explicitly that only men from the tribe of Levi and the family line of Aaron were qualified to serve as priests in the temple sanctuary (Numbers 3:10; Exodus 29:9; Numbers 18:1-7).8 The Mormon Church claims to have a restored Aaronic priesthood, but completely ignores this plain lineage requirement of Scripture.
Do you mean the NT were Jesus said that temple worship was about to be replaced by a new form of worship without a temple building: “the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father … But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him” (John 4:21,23).
Look to the exterior architecture of the Mormon temples and you find witchcraft symbols. Look inside the Temples and you find ceremonies rich in occult and Satanic meaning and phrases.
So are you ever going to answer my question on symbols and tell me why Christ used the serpent as his symbol to the Israelite when satan used it in the garden of eden? Or do you just hold double standards when you see fit to do so to make your cockeyed view seem logical?
Christians of all denomination have occult practices. Baptism, the last supper, prayer... I can go on if you would like me to...
The Spirit is the ultimate occult teacher of the UNKNOWN.
Your delusional... you can not stay on topic and just spout stuff out that you think sounds good.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say with this vs or what temple rite is mine... and I assure you I am not the serpent Moses raised up in the desert to save the children of Israel. That was just a symbol... and not one of me but of the Savior Jesus the Christ.
The Christian church has the real Priesthood. We derive our authority from Jesus Christ Himself, not from ghosts who claimed to be John the Baptist, or Peter, or James,or John to a known deciever and convicted glass looker who commited bank fraud.
@Sk8er408 Because you make ballyhoo about how Mormons restored the Aaronic Priesthood and gave the Melchizedek Priesthood to his disciples, but he did not do it when he visted the Indians the Book of Mormon, why?
Doctrine and Covenants 84:21-22 tells us a person cannot see the face of God without the Priesthood and live. Smith claimed to have seen God in 1820, nince years prior to recieving the priesthood that he was ineligible to recieve.
"the curse" was preserved through the Egyptians (Abraham 1:21) Joseph Smith claimed to be from the tribe of Ephrain, son Joseph who married and had children with his Egyptian wife (Gen 41:50-52). So according to the Book of Abraham, Jospeph Smith would be ineligible to hold the Mormon priesthood!
@Sk8er408 Of course Warren Jeffs is Mormon. He is just not your sect of Mormon. Your Sect is Brighamite. His sect came from those who followed John Taylor and Brigham Young and Joseph Smith but didn't succumb to the public pressure to end Polygamous abuse. They are Fundamental Mormons ( follow the original church as taught by Smith, Young, Taylor etc).
911 is a response to your faith comment. Those suicide bombers had great faith, so great that they gave their lives!! Willingly! Martyrs!!
You undersand that their is an easy explanation to the hill right? The site of the war does not have to be the same site where the plates were buried. Besides that their are obviously abandoned whole civilizations in mexoamerica that can easily be explained by the wars in the BoM.
@endofus Lamanite identity Place of the real Hill Cumorah (not in Palmyra) "White & delightsome" Adam-God (Doctrine Briggy Young loved) Adam-God ( " " the late Elder Bruce R. McConkie would excommunicate U 4) Blood Atonement Polygamy The Negro (priesthood) Ban The United Order Zion in Missouri And, the only thing that idiot could do was shift his attention to something else (and try to assassinate that person's character). MORmON!
No, I've already lived longer than a doctor told me I would anyway, so I dealt with my own mortality a long time ago; religious nuts who LIE to themselves that their "spirit" is going to "live forever" with their imaginary "god" are the ones who can't deal with reality, fool. And, have you come up with any of this bullshit artist Smith's "pretty cool things" yet?
What "lies" do I believe, you lying mormon? You seem to believe a whole RAFT of the absolute bullshit that this con-man Smith spit out, despite the fact that there is no evidence for any of it.
Unlike your fairy tales, what I believe has actual EVIDENCE to back it up, moron. If there's anything "sad" here, it's the baloney that gullible people will buy in order to tell themselves that they're not "really" going to die.
What "facts" are you claiming that this con-man "got right", you lying mormon? Every piece of actual evidence available shows that this shyster simply lied through his teeth whenever possible.
I've given it to you. Go find it for yourself. i can not post links on here.
One obscure lawsuit by someone other then the victim is your proof even when the supposed victim defended him?... nice concrete evidence... that does not scream conspiracy at all.
The only thing you've even MENTIONED so far is this "chiasmus" bullshit, you lying mormon, which is nothing more than retelling a story by re-arranging the components of that story; if anything, that shows this bullshit artist was simply what I've been saying all along: a lying plagiarist. And it's not just the fact of his official criminal past, it's the fact that he changed his story multiple times and simply lied regarding so many of the other facets of your cult.
I'm not Mormon... and i've not lied about anything. The did not rearranged anything. He added a few lines to a verse... and come to find out it is now a full fledged flowing chiasmus with the rest of the chapter... THis was what... 1830... and chiasmus was not noticed in the bible until the 1960 i do believe.
Horseshit, you lying mormon; simply by reading what was in his available sources, he spun out his fairy tales and added his fantasies in as he felt like it, none of which is any sort of evidence for ANY of his fairy tales.
What "tantrums" are you talking about, you moron? I approach this cult the exact same way I approach any other, and if this con-man had anything other than his "trust me, I speak for an imaginary invisible magic man in the sky" bullshit, there would be EVIDENCE for his fairy tales; no evidence means he was just conning gullible fools like yourself.
What did I "lie" about, you lying mormon? You claimed that this bullshit artist had some sort of mystical powers (ie. was a "prophet") and I called you out on it, but you dropped it like a hot potato when you realized you have no more evidence for your bullshit than this con-man Smith did.
If you're NOT a mormon, why on earth would you be defending this transparent liar? Two, you specifically claimed that this con-man was able to somehow arrive at some sort of higher level of nonsensical bullshit through this "chiasmus" nonsense. How much longer do you plan on pretending that you're not a mormon, you lying mormon?
anti-Mormons are people who were like them but found out it was a sack of lies. Christians don't want to pay money and slave for some morgbot to learn secret handshakes that we can learn for free on the internet.
Your the one with zero evidence for your absurd claims. I stand correct, the definition of the Trinity (i.e The Niceen Creed) has never changed in nearly 2000 years.
@endofus Don't waste your breath on that trouble maker!According to sk8er408 (who is according to them"isnt mormon but yet sticks up for them)he is giving me shit as well!!!
I have not giving you anything... it was you that was giving it to me. And yes... I stick up for my neighbors from scum like you. If all you have is half truth to persecute them with why am i the trouble maker?
@Sk8er408 I'M a scumbag? I persecute them?They have persecuted my religion and other denominations ever since that pedophile JS had his first vision through modern days! THE ONLY "TRUTH" THEY SAY IS JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY! i mean the jesus of the bible not lucifers "spirit brother"!!!give me a break SO if you want to call any one a scumbag look into a mirror troll!!!
Ya... you are butthurt over a religion and are now a bigot because of it.
Nice...the scumbag had to get in a cheap shot and call someone a pedophile... Are you saying Jesus is not the only way? The only troll would be you... as you trolled for my post dullard.
Are you dening that lucifer is the son of the morning? Do you understand what that means?
The weaponry of the Nephites was biodegradable. My blog today has the uploaded Masters Thesis completed for my 1975 BYU Doctorate.
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"the curse" was preserved through the Egyptians (Abraham 1:21) Joseph Smith claimed to be from the tribe of Ephrain, son Joseph who married and had children with his Egyptian wife (Gen 41:50-52). So according to the Book of Abraham, Jospeph Smith would be ineligible to hold the Mormon priesthood!
endofus 3 months ago
The Mormons own the Hill Cumorah, Carthage Jail,(Which is now slathered in pentagrams and other occult symbols) and Mountain Meadows Massacre monument. Not often the perps of major crimes also purchase the scene of the crime. There is a secret tow line between Mormonism and Freemasonry. Thus the impunity they incur for all their violence. both are instrumental in world deception spiritually and morally/religion
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
endofus <-----------------Deciever
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408 Mormon forefathers bore their testimonies for a different set of doctrines that are now said to be false by the current LDS church.Some of these doctrines were: Adam as God, polygamy is essential to salvation, blacks will be denied the priesthood until the second comming of Christ, and blood atonment. If your forefathers testimonies can't be trusted, what makes you so sure yours can be trusted? What makes you better then them?
endofus 7 months ago
@endofus
They did not teach that Adam was God the way you portray it... that makes you a deceiver... whether by your ignorance or not... you are still deceiving.
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408 Brigham Young — God revealed Adam-God doctrine to him, Adam holds the keys of everlasting life and salvation to all. Deseret News, p. 308 (June 18, 1873)
endofus 7 months ago
@Sk8er408 Hosea Stout — "President B. Young taught that Adam was the father of Jesus and the only God to us." Diary of Hosea Stout, vol. 2, p. 435 (April 9, 1852)
endofus 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
Editorial — Adam is really God. Millennial Star, vol. 15, p. 801 (1853)
endofus 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
Affirmation of Brigham's teaching that Adam is "our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." Millennial Star, vol. 17, p. 195 (1855)
endofus 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
Wilford Woodruff — Adam is Michael or God. Wilford Woodruff Diary, vol. 4, p. 129 (April 9, 1852)
endofus 7 months ago
@endofus
No on denies that they called Adam Michael or God...
Your interpretation of it is off... but continue in your ignorance.
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
Brigham Young, Adam is God
Spencer Kimball Adam God is false doctrine
One of these men is a false prophet, and it does not matter which one. since Monsen can't draw authority from a false prophet. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)
your lieing, crying, and denying is pathetic
endofus 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
If Adam is Godand you don't deny it? Then why don't you pray to Adam in the name of Jesus Christ?
endofus 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
No one denies Adam as God huh?
•Spencer W. Kimball — "We denounce that theory [Adam-God] and hope that everyone will be cautioned against this and other kinds of false doctrine." Conference Report, p. 115 (October 1-3, 1976)
endofus 7 months ago
@endofus
They deny the theory of The Father being Adam... Not that we are gods and called Adam god.
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
No, its quote taken from the discourses and Brigham Young while he was acting as a prophet of God.
Are you lieing to me or lieing to yourself?
endofus 7 months ago
@endofus
ye of little knowledge... or none at all. This was taken from short hand notes... that came to be the JoD. Or can you prove it otherwise? The JoD is not a rock solid book as you try to make it when it comes to the early writings as they relied on incomplete notes taken in short hand. But i guess you accept all commentary on the bible right? If not please don't put a double standard on the JoD that you yourself do not follow... That is what i would call "lying" to yourself.
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
Wilford Woodruff — Joseph also taught Adam-God. Wilford Woodruff Diary, vol. 6, p. 381 (December 16, 1867)
endofus 7 months ago
@endofus
He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom we have to do.
Journal of Discourses, Vol.1, p.51, Brigham Young, April 9, 1852
Do you not understand the English?
endofus 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
Brigham Young taught that Adam was "our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." He finished this message by saying, "Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation" (Journal of Discourses 1:50,51). Notice Young called this teaching a "doctrine," not a "theory".
endofus 7 months ago
@endofus
Show me a BY quote... Or do you not have one?
In his own words he denied the meaning you are trying to give it. Just like others have done.
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
That was a BY quote, now show me in his own words were he denied Adam as God Doctrine? you won't be able too.
endofus 7 months ago
@endofus
No... it was a quote form someones diary i do believe taken from a shorthand note...
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408 "It affords me great pleasure in being able to put in your possession the words of the Apostles and Prophets, as they were spoken in assemblies of the Saints in Zion, the value of which cannot be estimated by man, not so much for any great display of worldly learning and eloquence, as for the purity of doctrine, simplicity of style, and extensive amount of theological truth which they develop."
endofus 7 months ago
@Sk8er408 Members were encouraged to purchase a set to enhance their understanding of Mormon truth claims. A banner that read "The Voices of Prophets!" The ad was offering a set of the Journal for a discounted price of $100, telling members that they "should take this opportunity of owning the written words of remarkable teachings from the LDS pulpit. To the clear and vigorous exposition of Latter-day Saint doctrine is added the unmistakable authority of divine inspiration."
endofus 7 months ago
@endofus
No one is saying it is not good stuff... just dont believe every thing you read... you seem to be a selective reader... that is a attribute of a deceiver.
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
Except when the JoD teaches Adam as God for 30 years and never refutes the doctrine.
I stand correct, you're just in denial and making excuses.
I am the truth teller, you are the deceiver.
endofus 7 months ago
@endofus
They still teach it... yet you still do not understand the simple aspect of it. Sad... truly sad...
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
(Is 44:24) KJV
I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
The Temple Endownment is false.
endofus 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
What's truly sad is you wear Satans apron and you are living in Occult bondage. Remember when Satan told you If you do not walk up to every covenant you made at these altars this day, they will be in his power!"
you're under the Law, not grace.
very sad for you indeed.
endofus 7 months ago
@endofus
Everyone is under the law... if not why would you need grace? Goes to show you have no idea what you are talking about.
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
Your under satanic law, not me, I am under the grace of Jesus Christ. The Book of Mormon is you're false idol.
endofus 7 months ago
@endofus
You are calling the law satanic?
Please tell me why you need the grace of Christ if this is no law?
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408 When Watt first produced the Journal, there seemed to be no question that what was recorded was the actual words and beliefs of men chosen by God to lead his latter-day church. In his introduction to the first issue, Watt proclaimed,
endofus 7 months ago
@endofus
So you honor one mans opinion as the Word.... So you worship a book and this watt guy.... got it.
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
If anyone worships a book it is definantley you, the Book of Mormon is you're idol.
endofus 7 months ago
@endofus
What would the BoM be my idol when it is your that give a book power?
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
Except when the don't still teach it.
•Spencer W. Kimball — "We denounce that theory [Adam-God] and hope that everyone will be cautioned against this and other kinds of false doctrine." Conference Report, p. 115 (October 1-3, 1976)
endofus 7 months ago
the dna primarly shows asia yes, but the lamanite decendants most probably mixed with other natives that came across from asia, we never claimed that the jaradites, nephites, and lamanites were the only ones here. read Jacob. in fact they have found some isrelite dna as well. so that's debunked! when people first settled westren NY and other areas they found thousands of weapons and ancient artifacts which they had no clue where they came from. the facts of book of mormon geography are not known
G2Gunner 8 months ago
@G2Gunner
Book of Mormon geography does not exist. Your response is cult recruit excuses. JW's are just as ridiculous and still knock doors despite the overwhelming evidence they taught falsehoods for over 100 years much like LDS leaders.
No book of Mormon artifacts ever found. They don't exist.
Why waste your time defending lying cult leaders. Look at JW's, look at Scientologists then take a good look at yourself.
ElderJoseph 8 months ago
@ElderJoseph what are you talking about? Countless artifacts have been found to support the theory of a nephite culture the United states. Just say they dont exist is not much of an argument. Haplogroup X was found in the ohio area which supports the theory of nephites which came from israel. There are also lots of similarities between the hopewell culture and the BoM nephites. The evidence is there, whether you decide to excuse them away or not is up to you.
jovanbiljon 7 months ago
@jovanbiljon There are no artifacts supporting a Nephite culture in any museum.
And if thereare artifacts supporting a Nephite culture in the Unites States then why are LDS church apologists doing there best to claim the Nephites lived in MesoAmerica and NOT the United States?
The whole thing is completely ridiculous.
NOTHING AT HILL CUMORAH NEW YORK and NEVER WILL BE for obvious reasons!
It's absolutely laughable.
ElderJoseph 7 months ago
@ElderJoseph Like I said just flat out rfusing to believe any artifacts have been found when man have does not make for a good argument. Southern Illinois is nick named little egypt because of the vast amount of artifacts found in the region which could be linked to the nephites. And many mormons do believe that the BoM took place in central america but the church its self has not stated that. It's perfectly plausible for the civilization to have lived in the U.S.
jovanbiljon 7 months ago
@ElderJoseph Also if you could give me a reference as to what LDS members or leaders stated as fact that the nephite civilization took place in central america I would appreciate it.
jovanbiljon 7 months ago
@jovanbiljon Read FAIRS and FARMS BYU Asspologists. They are 'marketing' The Central America Limited Geography Fantasy and oppose Rodney Meldrums US Fantasy.
There is as much as evidence for BofM Nephite Civilisations as there is for my prior civilisation when I was King of the World. That is how ridiculous Mormonism really is. Joseph Smith made the whole thing up, what is so difficult to understand? You might as well join the Jehovahs Witnesses(another ridiculous cult).
ElderJoseph 7 months ago
@ElderJoseph Ok so everyone has to have the same opinion in order for a religion to be correct? The book of mormon does not say the "Nephites were in the United States" so of course its open to interpretation. Members are entitled to their own opinions on where they think the BoM took place. The important thing is the doctines the book teaches not so much where it took place.
jovanbiljon 7 months ago
@jovanbiljon "The important thing is the doctines the book teaches not so much where it took place." It never took place anywhere. Thats the Scam of Joseph Smith. How would you like it if LDS families were being ripped apart by a religious cult claiming ancient civilisations and scriptures that never existed?
Would you just sit there quietly? LDS does not tell the truth about itself or its origins when recruiting. Look at JW's and their lying history then take a look at yourselves.
ElderJoseph 7 months ago
@ElderJoseph LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What are you talking about??? Are you that ignorant about the LDS church? How is it "ripping" apart families? do you know how important families are in the church? Families are crucial to the church. Also to clarify we are NOT a cult. What truth do you claim we don't tell? This conversation has almost no substance now thanks to you, have a great day sir!
jovanbiljon 7 months ago
@jovanbiljon I spent two years 'investigating' and actively.
I was sick of hearing members being extorted of tithe money because they didn't want to SPLIT up their families.
Your concept of family is deceptive. ONLY Tithe paying Throat slitting(pre 1990 Endowment) Temple recommend holders have a chance of CK, the rest end up in a lesser kingdom without functioning sexual reproductive organs.
Families split for eternity!
ElderJoseph 7 months ago
@jovanbiljon The LDS cult usesFamily to TRAP people into paying and obeying cult leaders. Smith used 'family' to exploit his followers and used 'eternal' family to coerce 14 year old Helen Marr Kimball into marrying him.
The worst thing that ever happened to family is when the LDS use it to exploit people into serving the cult. Do you even attend the church or listen to what is effectively being taught? Families are to be SPLIT between 3 Mormon Kingdoms.
ElderJoseph 7 months ago
@ElderJoseph The church extorts tithe from families?............ sigh... this seems almost to rediculous to counter.
The church always helps families in times of financial difficulties. If you cant make a tithe payment because your finances are truly stretched to thin the church does not condem you to hell. Second the family is NOT split up into 3 kingdoms. the family will stay together due to being sealed granted they all live a lifestyle worthy of making it to the celestial kingdom.
jovanbiljon 7 months ago
@jovanbiljon The church does not help families with financial difficulties. The local ward members MAY DO with additional FAST offerings. BUT Tithes are sent to HQ in Salt Lake and as far as I know do not get refunded for families in difficulty.
And lifestyle worthy of Celestial Kingdom means PAY the LDS extortion Racket in Salt Lake. Thats my point. This church is not about families forever. It's about extorting money via threats of families being broken up in 3 kingdoms,also Tithe or BURN !
ElderJoseph 7 months ago
@ElderJoseph Alright dude its clear you'll make up pretty much anything in an attempt to make the church look bad. Its a good thing you come off as crazy so people dont take you seriously anyway. Think about getting a hobby it might help.
jovanbiljon 7 months ago
@jovanbiljon "Alright dude its clear you'll make up pretty much anything in an attempt "
But nothing is made up, thats the problem with your response. You haven't investigated the church properly yourself. have you ever seen a financial statement of where Tithe is spent?
Only fast offerings are for local welfare purposes. Do you know of Tithes being used coming back from HQ?
When a local ward member died penniless, the ward members paid for his funeral and NOT the HQ in Salt Lake.
ElderJoseph 7 months ago
@ElderJoseph Tithe or BURN ! LDS Gospel Principles page 210 (D&C 64:23). Check it out yourself. I may be angry but I'm not crazy.
Local Ward members were very sincere, howevermy gripe is not them or yourself. It's with the leaders who deceive and manipulate you.
I understand why you defend the 'church'. I would do the same as I used to do with 'opposition' I experienced myself until I decided I couldn't withhold facts from family and friends anymore. I was turning into a cult recruit.
ElderJoseph 7 months ago
@ElderJoseph
Are you a religious man or do you just mock those that have faith?
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408 JW's have FAITH. They SHUN family because of FAITH. They KNOW for a FACT they are the only true church!
Warren Jeff's Mormon followers have FAITH you speak about. Would you allow them to convert your females and subsequently marry polygamously the arshole leaders that claim to be prophets and marrying them will ensure CK salvation?
911 bombers operated through FAITH. They KNEW they would be marrying polygamously after the airplanes smashed their targets.
FAITH FAITH FAITH!
ElderJoseph 7 months ago
@ElderJoseph
Matthew 18:8
Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
Mark 9:43
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@ElderJoseph
Matthew 5:30
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408 Yes great scripture that no one follows. Not one Mormon I know has cut off their hands even though they cause them to SIN.
I did know someone who plucked his eye out. He became mentally ill after he realised his cult religion was to blame for his marriage ending in divorce.
I wonder where he got that idea to pluck his eye out?
ElderJoseph 7 months ago
@ElderJoseph
See... it is not talking about your body but the people you hang out with... Have you ever heard of avoiding the appearance of evil? Only those that are without the Spirit do not understand this simple truth. Continue on in your blind interpretation of the Bible.
You have heard of the body of Christ right and understand what it means?
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
People we hang out with?
I think JW'smust use that interpretation to isolate themselves from the evil outside world as well.
I agree with you.And you could extend that to If you are watching TV and it shows for entertainment a man cheating on his wife/deceiving her etc then TURN IT OFF!
However when I found out Joseph Smith was doing the same I decided to turn him off!
ElderJoseph 7 months ago
@ElderJoseph
Ya... people you hang out with as in your fellow brother... The world is evil... agreed on the TV point.
So you saw JS do what?
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
I am calling you satanic.
endofus 7 months ago
@endofus
I dont want to be your brother.
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408
Only those who do the will of my Father in heaven are my brothers. Not people who lie and call themselves Jews.
endofus 7 months ago
@endofus
I've never called myself a Jew... but if I did what grounds do you have for calling me a liar?
Sk8er408 7 months ago
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@Sk8er408 Revelation 3:9:
Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and learn that I have loved you.
endofus 7 months ago
@Sk8er408 I posted one last video on Adam=God. That's the damnedest theology you guys have. And why would the gold plates be buried in Cumorah and the entire civilization and their remains be in South America, or any other place? Mormon tells us the plates were buried in Cumorah. Yet not an iota of evidence exists for Mormon culture beyond the BofM. Is it fair to say Mormon/Moroni walked thousands of Miles and buried a sacred history in an arbitrary drumlin?
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
It seems it is your theology as you are alone in the belief of it with your weird interpretation.
Sk8er408 6 months ago
@Sk8er408 Weird theology is Adam=God, polytheistic god, polygamous god, polygamous Jesus. And a polygamy that denies me my marriage, it is nullified. Any wife is under threat for non compliance with Mormon polygamy. All that and more sounds weird to me. But it's your problem
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@Sk8er408 "I alone are in the belief of it"?? No, it was Joe and Briggy. They in turn duped more Mojo's and so on. I've only found a couple of Mormons embracing it. Like LDS4ever71. Omiolo. If can reject Adam=God reject polygamy and polytheism. then you're free!
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
if you say so... but can you show me BY and JS words that back up your claim or do you just have commentary on it?
Sk8er408 6 months ago
@Sk8er408 When I posted the Adam=God videos I used only Mormon sources, the main one being the Tholson book
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
I'm not sure what that proves... that you can read? Great...
Sk8er408 6 months ago
@Sk8er408 I Read and Understand. Why can't you? Acknowledge Adam=God, your Mormon polygamy revelation, polytheism, universe of pre existing matter with 'men" born into it and becoming gods, a polygamous Jesus, and all the rest of it. Why reject Adam=God? reject it all, do a 180 and run right into the arms of the living creator of the universe.
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
I dont reject it... I reject your view of it.
I'm not mormon...
Sk8er408 6 months ago
@Sk8er408 Well, there you go, you embrace Adam=God doctrine and reject my publication of this doctrine. My view on it is this: it's from evil. You disagree.
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
It's no more evil then Moses=God... do did you miss that in the bible?
Or what about serpent=God??? or is it serpent=satan???
Sk8er408 6 months ago
@Sk8er408 Have you lost it? Where is Moses=God? Not on the Mount did Moses see God so how can he Be God? The serpent is "That old serpent, Satan". Just like the Bible says.... And the sexual symbolism in the garden and with Moses is paramount. The were partying too much and were become ill. Moses made a bronze serpent. For their sins. and they were healed. In the Mormon endowment ceremony Satan in the garden and the sexual aspects of that scene were literally acted out, with Eliza Snow as Eve!
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
Didn't G-d sacrifice his son to save us? What did Moses rise up to save his people?
You are not vary learned.
Sk8er408 6 months ago
@Sk8er408 Moses=God wont work. The serpent in the wilderness wasn't to be worshiped like a god. Thus it was crushed. Into dust, into the earth. (and the Mormon prophesy "Hissing from the earth" is a confession of it's ophiolatry and satan worship) "As Moses raised up the serpent, so must the son of man be...." is for you sins. It's your fault. When you focus on the wrong image you murder, commit all sorts of sins. Polygamy, blood atonement, for instance.
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism Moses=God wont work
I just proved it did... but keep denying it... that is your only defense.
Sk8er408 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
Why are you tried to say Moses or any other prophet was worshiped? but if you ask peter he thought moses was worthy of worship. Matthew 17:4
Sk8er408 6 months ago
@Sk8er408 Mt 17:4 is about sin and forgiving.
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
And peter wanted to build a tabernacle for Jesus and Moses.
Perception... you got none... tell me, does the serpent represent satan or Christ?
Sk8er408 6 months ago
@Sk8er408 Your own words betray your error: Moses=God.. A tabernacle is not a Temple. Mt17:4 isn't addressing Moses, Elijah for worship as gods. Mormonism is stuck in the OT ritual blood sacrifice. Thus you curse blacks. Under JC and Ethiopian eunuch of Queen Candide was baptized on the side of the road. Acts 8:27. Not Possible in Mormonism. (I read Luke 17:4 earlier, thus the ref to sin/forgive)
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
You area wrong. A tabernacle is a temple.
I’m sure you have no problem with the trinity… So what is your deal against being one with G-d like Christ is?
Tell me… are we or aren’t to be one (or =) with G-d?
Sk8er408 6 months ago
@Sk8er408 You're lost in Mormonism. All your definitions are Mormon, not Christian. This is the problem with Mormonism. It takes words well established thru time. Redefines them and when you have a conversation with a Mormon it turns out you're in two worlds. A Christian world and a Mormon nightmare. The Mormon tabernacle is a human body, a Jewish Temple of ritual animal sacrifice and a plane old tabernacle. God does not dwell in a temple made by man. Jewish nor Mormon.
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
Nothing i've given you is mormon... Way to justify it... You are in fact a bigot with your claims of mormonism.
Sk8er408 6 months ago
@Sk8er408 God appointed only one temple to reflect the fact that there is only one true God (Deuteronomy 12:5,13-14; 16:5,6). By contrast, the Mormon Church operates scores of temples, in violation of this divine mandate.
endofus 5 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
So LDS redefine things… Like the Christian redefinition of what a cult is to exclude themselves? Sad to see you lie to yourself. Truly…
The Children of Israel did not perform animal sacrifice in the tabernacle. If G-d does not dwell in a temple then why does it say so in the OT about G-d sitting upon the mercy seat (which was found in the tabernacle between the cherubim)? Brings new meaning to the world being his footstool or worship at his footstool.
Sk8er408 6 months ago
@Sk8er408 If I were you I wold focus on the NT and see the light. God doesn't dwell in a temple made by mans hands. Ezekiel saw Gods glory leave it, too. Ez10:18 Of course the temple was used for ritual animal sacrifice, where have you been? A major effect of JC death is the end of ritual animal sacrifice. When Jews build a temple in Jerusalem they will Immediately slaughter a red heifer. It's in the OT, where Jews live, not the NT where Christian live. You live in the OT, so get up to speed
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
I did not say the temple as not used for animal sacrifice... just the tabernacle.
Sk8er408 6 months ago
@Sk8er408
Only priests were allowed to enter the biblical temple. Worshippers – even the king of Israel5 – came no further than the altar of burnt offering in the courtyard. Since non-priests are allowed to enter and participate in Mormon temple activities, this is another point at which Mormon temple practice violates biblical revelation
endofus 5 months ago
All activities in the biblical temple were public knowledge. They are spelled out in detail in Scripture (for example, Exodus 30:7-10; Leviticus 4:5-7; 16:1-34; 24:1-9).6 The Bible warns the Christian against participation in secret activities (Matthew 10:26-27; Ephesians 5:11-12). And Jesus affirmed that He had no secret teachings, “I spake openly to the world … in secret have I said nothing” (John 18:20). In sharp contrast, the Mormon Church’s insists on keeping its temple rituals secret.
endofus 5 months ago
@Sk8er408 4.The Bible sets forth strict lineage requirements for the Aaronic priesthood. It teaches very explicitly that only men from the tribe of Levi and the family line of Aaron were qualified to serve as priests in the temple sanctuary (Numbers 3:10; Exodus 29:9; Numbers 18:1-7).8 The Mormon Church claims to have a restored Aaronic priesthood, but completely ignores this plain lineage requirement of Scripture.
endofus 5 months ago
@endofus
I would suggest you read the NT.
Sk8er408 5 months ago
@Sk8er408
Do you mean the NT were Jesus said that temple worship was about to be replaced by a new form of worship without a temple building: “the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father … But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him” (John 4:21,23).
endofus 5 months ago
@endofus
So you lost your priesthood angle so you switch topic...
The LDS temple is not the same as they are not preforming animal sacrifice (ordinances of the law) but gospel ordinances.
Sk8er408 5 months ago
@Sk8er408
Look to the exterior architecture of the Mormon temples and you find witchcraft symbols. Look inside the Temples and you find ceremonies rich in occult and Satanic meaning and phrases.
endofus 5 months ago
@endofus
So are you ever going to answer my question on symbols and tell me why Christ used the serpent as his symbol to the Israelite when satan used it in the garden of eden? Or do you just hold double standards when you see fit to do so to make your cockeyed view seem logical?
Christians of all denomination have occult practices. Baptism, the last supper, prayer... I can go on if you would like me to...
The Spirit is the ultimate occult teacher of the UNKNOWN.
Sk8er408 5 months ago
@Sk8er408
In the bible Melchizedek was before the Aaronic priesthood and before Aaron was even born. Melchizedek was not a member of the Aaronic priesthood.
endofus 5 months ago
@Sk8er408
Isaiah 43:10
"I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me."
Your're temple rite is an abomination,
you're a serpant
endofus 5 months ago
@endofus
Your delusional... you can not stay on topic and just spout stuff out that you think sounds good.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say with this vs or what temple rite is mine... and I assure you I am not the serpent Moses raised up in the desert to save the children of Israel. That was just a symbol... and not one of me but of the Savior Jesus the Christ.
Sk8er408 5 months ago
@Sk8er408
Isaiah 44:8
King James Version (KJV)
"Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."
You're Temple is an abomination
you're a serpant
endofus 5 months ago
@Sk8er408
The Christian church has the real Priesthood. We derive our authority from Jesus Christ Himself, not from ghosts who claimed to be John the Baptist, or Peter, or James,or John to a known deciever and convicted glass looker who commited bank fraud.
endofus 5 months ago
@Sk8er408
Where in the Book of Mormon does it say Jesus restored the Aaronic Priesthood and gave the Melchizedek Priesthood to his disciples?
endofus 5 months ago
@endofus
WHy would that be in the Book of Mormon...?
Sk8er408 5 months ago
@Sk8er408 Because you make ballyhoo about how Mormons restored the Aaronic Priesthood and gave the Melchizedek Priesthood to his disciples, but he did not do it when he visted the Indians the Book of Mormon, why?
endofus 5 months ago
@Sk8er408
Where does it say in the Bible that any of the apostles held either the Aaronic or Melchizedeck Priesthood for that matter?
endofus 5 months ago
@Sk8er408
Genesis 14:18
King James Version
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Mormons don't offer bread and wine to God,but Catholic priests sure do.
There is nothing Mecchizedek about you're priesthood. True Priesthood offers sacrifice to God (Heb. 5:1, 8:3)
Mormon "priesthood" holders join the vast number of Protestant leaders who merely "minister"
endofus 5 months ago
@Sk8er408
Doctrine and Covenants 84:21-22 tells us a person cannot see the face of God without the Priesthood and live. Smith claimed to have seen God in 1820, nince years prior to recieving the priesthood that he was ineligible to recieve.
endofus 5 months ago
@Sk8er408
I didn't change the subject about you're false priesthood, but now I bet you with I would have.
endofus 5 months ago
@endofus
What is this false priesthood of mine you keep crying about?
Sk8er408 5 months ago
@Sk8er408
The Mormon priesthood is a myth.
endofus 5 months ago
@endofus
You are a myth.
Sk8er408 5 months ago
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@Sk8er408
You're proven wrong.
endofus 5 months ago
@Sk8er408
"the curse" was preserved through the Egyptians (Abraham 1:21) Joseph Smith claimed to be from the tribe of Ephrain, son Joseph who married and had children with his Egyptian wife (Gen 41:50-52). So according to the Book of Abraham, Jospeph Smith would be ineligible to hold the Mormon priesthood!
endofus 5 months ago
@ElderJoseph
Warren Jeff's is not mormon... but that just shows your lack of understanding in the real world.
I would let them be or anyone that would want to join them. I'm not sure why you would have an issue with the freedom of religion.
I'm not sure what 911 has to do with his... I guess it is because you are just as much of a zealot as they are... am i right?
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@Sk8er408 Of course Warren Jeffs is Mormon. He is just not your sect of Mormon. Your Sect is Brighamite. His sect came from those who followed John Taylor and Brigham Young and Joseph Smith but didn't succumb to the public pressure to end Polygamous abuse. They are Fundamental Mormons ( follow the original church as taught by Smith, Young, Taylor etc).
911 is a response to your faith comment. Those suicide bombers had great faith, so great that they gave their lives!! Willingly! Martyrs!!
ElderJoseph 7 months ago
@ElderJoseph
You undersand that their is an easy explanation to the hill right? The site of the war does not have to be the same site where the plates were buried. Besides that their are obviously abandoned whole civilizations in mexoamerica that can easily be explained by the wars in the BoM.
Sk8er408 7 months ago
@G2Gunner
There has been zero Isrelite dna found in Native Amercian populations, in fact.
There are zero Book of Mormon weaopons and artifacts found in New York when people first settled western New York.
endofus 8 months ago
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TheNickhis 10 months ago
@TheNickhis
are you a dullard?
Sk8er408 10 months ago
@Sk8er408 ah dang, youtube screwed up the link.
TheNickhis 10 months ago
orlovna2 10 months ago
No, I've already lived longer than a doctor told me I would anyway, so I dealt with my own mortality a long time ago; religious nuts who LIE to themselves that their "spirit" is going to "live forever" with their imaginary "god" are the ones who can't deal with reality, fool. And, have you come up with any of this bullshit artist Smith's "pretty cool things" yet?
StaceyC123 11 months ago
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Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
Because there is no point in LYING to yourself, idiot; can't you see that?
StaceyC123 11 months ago
@StaceyC123
I haven't lied to myself. But it looks like you swallow lies whole.
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
What "lies" do I believe, you lying mormon? You seem to believe a whole RAFT of the absolute bullshit that this con-man Smith spit out, despite the fact that there is no evidence for any of it.
StaceyC123 11 months ago
@StaceyC123
The lies you swallow whole about anything that will support your view on life.. .the world. Sad really.
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
Unlike your fairy tales, what I believe has actual EVIDENCE to back it up, moron. If there's anything "sad" here, it's the baloney that gullible people will buy in order to tell themselves that they're not "really" going to die.
StaceyC123 11 months ago
@StaceyC123
I'm sorry... what is it that i believe? Please show this evidence to back up your pathetic view on life.
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
Your claims that this convicted con-man was any sort of a "prophet", for one, you lying mormon.
StaceyC123 11 months ago
@StaceyC123
I've never claimed he was a prophet...
You've just proved yourself a liar. Thanks.
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
You were just claiming that this con-man wrote about things that he "could not have known when he wrote it.", you lying mormon.
StaceyC123 11 months ago
@StaceyC123
That does not constitute a prophet gullible. I love you guys and your assumptions.
And yes... in all facts he did... or got very lucky... you read it and deiced for yourself.
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
What "facts" are you claiming that this con-man "got right", you lying mormon? Every piece of actual evidence available shows that this shyster simply lied through his teeth whenever possible.
StaceyC123 11 months ago
@StaceyC123
I've given it to you. Go find it for yourself. i can not post links on here.
One obscure lawsuit by someone other then the victim is your proof even when the supposed victim defended him?... nice concrete evidence... that does not scream conspiracy at all.
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
The only thing you've even MENTIONED so far is this "chiasmus" bullshit, you lying mormon, which is nothing more than retelling a story by re-arranging the components of that story; if anything, that shows this bullshit artist was simply what I've been saying all along: a lying plagiarist. And it's not just the fact of his official criminal past, it's the fact that he changed his story multiple times and simply lied regarding so many of the other facets of your cult.
StaceyC123 11 months ago
@StaceyC123
I'm not Mormon... and i've not lied about anything. The did not rearranged anything. He added a few lines to a verse... and come to find out it is now a full fledged flowing chiasmus with the rest of the chapter... THis was what... 1830... and chiasmus was not noticed in the bible until the 1960 i do believe.
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
Horseshit, you lying mormon; simply by reading what was in his available sources, he spun out his fairy tales and added his fantasies in as he felt like it, none of which is any sort of evidence for ANY of his fairy tales.
StaceyC123 11 months ago
@StaceyC123
Blah blah blah blah blah... blah blah blah blah... Gobbledygook.
YOu are a caveman. quit with the tantrums.
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
What "tantrums" are you talking about, you moron? I approach this cult the exact same way I approach any other, and if this con-man had anything other than his "trust me, I speak for an imaginary invisible magic man in the sky" bullshit, there would be EVIDENCE for his fairy tales; no evidence means he was just conning gullible fools like yourself.
StaceyC123 11 months ago
@StaceyC123
You call everyone a liar when you yourself were caught lying.
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
What did I "lie" about, you lying mormon? You claimed that this bullshit artist had some sort of mystical powers (ie. was a "prophet") and I called you out on it, but you dropped it like a hot potato when you realized you have no more evidence for your bullshit than this con-man Smith did.
StaceyC123 11 months ago
@StaceyC123
One your claim that i'm mormon... two your claim that i claimed JS was a prophet.
Never said he had mystical powers... only that his writings are quite interesting. You leap to conclusions all by your lonesome.
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
If you're NOT a mormon, why on earth would you be defending this transparent liar? Two, you specifically claimed that this con-man was able to somehow arrive at some sort of higher level of nonsensical bullshit through this "chiasmus" nonsense. How much longer do you plan on pretending that you're not a mormon, you lying mormon?
StaceyC123 11 months ago
@StaceyC123
Why do you bug them if you are not one?
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
Because they're in the business of selling transparent LIES, you idiot, the same as any other cult.
StaceyC123 11 months ago
@StaceyC123
Jealous?
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
Why would I be jealous of a deluded nutcase?
StaceyC123 11 months ago
@StaceyC123
You can't sell your transparent lies...
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
anti-Mormon (i.e truth teller)
endofus 11 months ago
@endofus
Anti-Mormon ie one that wants to take there place... be like them.
Study your root words.
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
anti-Mormons are people who were like them but found out it was a sack of lies. Christians don't want to pay money and slave for some morgbot to learn secret handshakes that we can learn for free on the internet.
endofus 11 months ago
@endofus
The wicked take the truth to be hard... Sad to see you take the side of a person that curses god.
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
Mormon truth is in constant change and contradiction. Eternal truths said to be everlasting are quickley replaced and changed.
Lamanite identity
Adam God Doctrine
Blood Atonement
Polygamy
The Negro Ban
United Order
Zion is in Missouri
and many other so called truths,
endofus 11 months ago
@endofus
How many time's has the definition of the trinity changed?
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
The definition of the Trinity has never been changed.
endofus 11 months ago
@endofus
In your own little head. Nice to know you are delusional.
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@Sk8er408
Your the one with zero evidence for your absurd claims. I stand correct, the definition of the Trinity (i.e The Niceen Creed) has never changed in nearly 2000 years.
endofus 11 months ago
@endofus
Zero evidence? There were two nicene creed's. 325 & 381 and they are different. Plus all the other creed's.
BTW... all those creeds are not the bible... that would be adding to it.
Sk8er408 11 months ago
@endofus Don't waste your breath on that trouble maker!According to sk8er408 (who is according to them"isnt mormon but yet sticks up for them)he is giving me shit as well!!!
IRISHBUDDAFILTH 11 months ago
@IRISHBUDDAFILTH
I have not giving you anything... it was you that was giving it to me. And yes... I stick up for my neighbors from scum like you. If all you have is half truth to persecute them with why am i the trouble maker?
Sk8er408 10 months ago
@Sk8er408 I'M a scumbag? I persecute them?They have persecuted my religion and other denominations ever since that pedophile JS had his first vision through modern days! THE ONLY "TRUTH" THEY SAY IS JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY! i mean the jesus of the bible not lucifers "spirit brother"!!!give me a break SO if you want to call any one a scumbag look into a mirror troll!!!
IRISHBUDDAFILTH 10 months ago
@IRISHBUDDAFILTH
Ya... you are butthurt over a religion and are now a bigot because of it.
Nice...the scumbag had to get in a cheap shot and call someone a pedophile... Are you saying Jesus is not the only way? The only troll would be you... as you trolled for my post dullard.
Are you dening that lucifer is the son of the morning? Do you understand what that means?
Sk8er408 10 months ago