what is that he's doing with his left hand at 2:44? from this angle it looks really similar to the "mindwipe" hand motion he does at the beginning of the game in the first cutscene.
I think this scene best illustrates what Silent Hill really is... a decent into an individual's personalized hell. A hell of their own mind. Angela's hell is reliving the times her father abused her, and how it led her to kill him. The games are much deeper then the average dummy gives them credit for.
The opening lines come off a little stilted because the lines were recorded separately and later patched together. It's a wonder that it ends as powerfully as it does. This scene could have been even stronger if Donna and I been given the chance to play it together.
This is the most powerful scene in the game. I feel like Angela wasn't real, but she was a manifestation of James's thought; his contemplation of suicide throughout the game. I love this game because of the many different ways it can be interpreted.
It would have been nice to include an ending where he left with her. Given that she along with Laura are the only two good characters in the game. Her murder was justified.
I don't think James can see the fire because Angela stops and says "you see it too...for me its always like this." That would be dumb if he could see the fire then remark its hot as hell in here
@hadeshood You see what James sees...you are James in the game. Whether it's being too close to Angela or whatever the reason, at that point in that room he can see the fire.
I never noticed until now the slight inflection James puts on the word "myself", so he says "No, I'd never kill MYSELF" - alluding to the fact that he has killed other people. The writing and voice acting is really amazing!
@ArtemisiaxAbsinthium [Spoiler] you can find what she did in a newspaper in the maze: her father killed her mother and then raped Angela; after that, Angela killed her father
She killed her father who had molested and abused her throughout her childhood, she could not live with the guilt and was looking for ways to kill herself. That's why she asks James for her knife. For the entire Silent Hill story she seems to be the most alert one, she seems to aware what Silent Hill has done to her and to other characters.
James gets a glimpse into Angela's world because like her, he is feeling guilty for murdering someone; notice how this scene occurs right after James realizes he killed Mary. The difference between them is that Angela walks into the flames, and instead of following her, James walks the opposite direction to confront the Pyramid Heads and what they stand for.
@TheGhostofManyFaces The game just wanted to be human. James just knew Angela was lost, and longing for death— in that case, you just don't know what to say...
Pyramid head is explained in SH2 as the executioner of the beginings of silent hill, and yes, indeed it's a creation from james to give him a punishment for their own sin.
James saw the picture of him when him visit the town with her wife.
In the other games it's called Boogeyman I think, not Red pyramid head.
When I played this as a kid I was so freakin' confused when she started calling me her 'momma'. BUT NOW I LOOK BACK AT IT AND UNDERSTAND IT WITH THE POWER OF THE YOUTUBES :DDDD
@KedViper theres no cannon ending for to for your imformation as konami stated james's ending lies in the hands of who ever finishes the game and what ever ending you get is upto you its to make the game more talked about unlike the others witch aint as much talked about plus in the 3rd game douglas states that he went to silent hills years before the 3rd game to look for 2 missing people (james and mary) but never found them (meaning his ending is unknown)
@Blaze187Killa Well, first I was just making a joke, but it was the best ending. Secondly, he never actually says who he was looking for but that would contradict what you said about them making the end be whichever you want. They do, however, make it very blatant in SH4 that he was lost because of what Henry said about the landlord's, who shares the same last name, son. But it could also be conceivable that James had a distant relationship with him and didn't contact him again.
@KedViper douglas was talkin' about james and mary the writings on the wall its pretty obvious plus team silent hill stated that douglas was talkin' about james and mary cuz they was both never seen or heard from again and it is upto the player to deside james fate otherwise it would say dead or alive not unknown thats one of the main reasons the second game is my all time favorite silent hill cuz its got mystory to it no explained end and its a different look to the alternate realm
@MATAX5 That's what I'm saying, though. James might have not had a close relationship with his father and might have left and intentionally stay hidden away from people who knew before. Anyways, I don't see why they would say it's up to you but then make concluding references about what happened. I choose to believe he left with Laura.
I think SH4 is a story relatead to the endings in SH2 which James didn´t survive or left Silent HIll. James´s father says his song dissapear maybe refering to the Water ED or Maria ED por example. The stories are releated to specifics finals in the other games, but it doesn´t mean that some endings are right or wrong. Actually i think there is no righ or wrong ending in the SH franquise, everything that you do it´s only up to what you think is the correct ending.
someone once told me that in order to find balance the first step is to acknowledge (not forgive just yet) the pain of our pasts instead of running from it. Then acknowledge the fact that although these things happened we're still here. not in the best shape, but here.
The last, desperate choice of a lonely tortured soul, brought to a realm of their darkest dreams in an attempt to cure her of her inner rage and sadness...such an upsetting end to a woman stretched thin by the world.
I actually think all the characters here are dead. And their spirits go to silent hill to comfront their demons as their Purgatory which have manifected into creatures that can harm them. They go to Silent Hill because thats where James killed his wife, where Angela took her life with that knife, where Eddie was murdered (mabe by Walter Sulivan) and where the little girl is traped because she died as at the hospilal where Mary was kept. Its Maria im still trying to figure out. Is she Mary? Hmmm
Wow, so powerful, I see so much of myself in all of these characters. But Angela most of all, every day I feel myself getting closer and closer to the top of the burning staircase. Brilliant, poetic, and drenched in symbolism. What an amazing game.
I've tried and tried, and I just can't comment here. There is nothing else that needs to be said. This is the most devastatingly beautiful and powerful scene I've ever come across, more so than in any other game or even any book or movie. Silent Hill 2 just has the power in it to provoke emotion that nothing else can.
@mrbloodshugar doing the right thing and taking care of a full blown headcase isn't all that easy, believe me :( and angie would be one messed up chick alright. It's pitiful really
Silent Hill 2 has the most well written story in SH series. The story of Homecoming is the second best and I really don't understand why so many people hate it.
@sonofa2 for me, at least, it's not the story of Homecoming that i dislike. it's the EXTREMELY combat-based gameplay that dominates the whole thing, which very seriously detracts from the surreal experience that i've always enjoyed from a silent hill game.
@sonofa2 people don"t hate the story the story was good a little predictable but good. People hated the game because it was not scary at all it didn't fell like silent hill Homecoming was Hollywood scary
This doesn't necessarily have to be taken literally. If you step out of Silent Hill's otherworld and supernatural phenomena laced throughout the series, you could interpret that line as Angela constantly living in turmoil under the oppressive dominance of her father.
I've interpreted it as her skin "burning" from all the abuse (sexual and physical) that she received from her father; i.e. the burning sensation you feel when you've been slapped or hit.
"you see it too? For Me.. it's always like this.." meaning.. that she's been in a kind of purgatory for so long that it's developed it's own conciousness. James see's it too because of his inner torment.
It's no secret that Angela was raped..even though its not explicitly said. In one of the puzzles James must find 3 tablets (each for one of the characters called to SH) and Angela's tablet is "Tablet of the Seductress" and it is found in a shower. Although Angela does not behave like a seductress its not uncommon for rape victims to shift their abusers guilt onto themselves. The fact that it is in the shower further supports a rape theory, implying dirtiness and the desire to cleanse oneself
@DEEPGNOSTIC I've never understood that; why in the world Team Silent decided to assign the "Tablet of the Seductress" to Angela, and not to Maria instead. It makes more sense, at least for me, that Angela be given the "Tablet of the Oppressor" as she was clearly dominated and held down under her father's oppressive abuse and control.
@january719 hell ya but silent hill 2 was sooo much better than the others, im a fan of the series but this one is by far the best in my opinion, its just soo much more than a game, it deep, its art, its symbolic, its therapy, its love, its life, its death, its emotion, its silent hill.. lol and ya RE im a HUGE fan of the series, it comforted me so much in the past. i liked them all
Yes!!!! I pray that the sequel will follow the same themes as well. But i fear that they won't. You know they have to "hollywood" it up a little. I think David Dachuvny would be an excellent James
This is probably the best moment of Silent Hill 2 for me. When I played it for the first time, I didn't pay that much attention to Angela.. But as I came back to the game, she was suddenly the most interesting of all. It's brilliantly shown what happened to her. So much pain in her, you can almost feel it
The music in the movie version changed everything in this scene. The music's good here, but it feels more like simple background music than a true accompaniment of the scene, as opposed to the movie version.
Do you think James actually sees the fire? I know Angela says "You see it too", but all he says is"It's hot as hell in here" - seems awfully calm for someone surrounded by flames.
Angela's parents basically never appear in the game...But i have a furious hate for them.... Those things is what makes a game one masterpiece...when you care about the characters, even knowing they do not exist, they are more common peolple than we thought...like, i know everyone said "What the hell James? You killed her? Why? Why you did that?...."
@TheKrustaceox I totally agree. Its masterful and powerful story telling. Even with so little dialogue and few cutscenes, you care about the characters. Angela only appears in 3 cutscenes I believe.
I feel really bad for Angela. I reckon she may have killed someone though that why the knife had blood on it and thats why see can see the monsters in Silent Hill. I believe its her father. This might explain why she called the monster that attacked her daddy. I pity her cause she never got over what happened to her and just wanted the pain to end.
Angela: "You see it too? For me it's always like this."
I thought this was the best quote in the game. It showed that for once one of them could step into the other worlds. While James constantly sees monsters and sexually ambiguous imagery, Angela is engulfed in the painful flames of her past and is unable to escape.
@Only1MJP I Always thought she always saw it that way because it was what "Happened" to Silent Hill, SInce in the first one there was the snow (I Thought it was Ash) And the sirens happened whenever the world went to the Nightmare world. I Believed it was a burned/hellish version of Silent Hill and was burned to the structure (Why there was mostly chain for walls and floors) and the blood made it all Hellish.
@Only1MJP When youtube was a unknow thing for me, i was sure that i was a freak praising that cutscene as a masterpiece of life...But now i know, lots of peole share it with me. Thank You all Silent Hill mates.
@Only1MJP Also, did you know that when you see Eddie in the meat locker that's an inside look on how Silent Hill appears to him as a manefestation of his cold personlity and disregard for people.
"For me, it's always like this" is, in my opinion, one of the most profound and true statements about abuse and the mindset it develops that I've heard.
poor angela...god its so tragic!.i like to think her walking up the stairs represents an endless climb to try and free her soul.James can figure himself in the end out but for anglela its like falling into a botomless pit of depression.she is a pure symbol of pain and hurt.this is such art....everything about it.The game gets so intense in the last hour.ive never experienced anything quite like it.This is one of my favourite scenes ever in a game and probably the most mature story ever in a game
This scene also represents what happens when one fails to come to terms with the past. While James was successful in confronting his inner demons clearly Angela was not. One could argue there was no salvation for her cause she was looking for the wrong person. She should have been looking for her dad & brother & put the blame where it belong instead of eternally torturing herself, hoping for comfort from someone who didn't do a good job of protecting her.
Well when James first meets Angela in the cemetery she tells him that she thought her brother and father would be there but she can't find their graves!
@randomusername27 I dont think it represents that, I always saw it as her ascending to heaven. She was in hell while she was alive, which is shown in silent hill physically, but I think she always felt like their were flames even outside the town "For me, its always like this" even if they werent physically there. And then she tells james about planning to kill herself and walks up the stairs, through the flames to die, hopefully ascending.
@trxdblogger I think the steepness of the stairs represent the pain of what shes going through. Its hard to say whether she dies or not seen as though the flames,picture and the stairs are all symbolic. Yes I agree the flames were with her outside the town but not in the phsical sense, but silent hill brought her feelings to life. However the ascension up the stairs certainly doesnt look as if shes going to heaven to me. Just look at the steepness of the stairs and the way she climbs them.
@trxdblogger also she claims that maybe she can now finally rest when she thinks james is her mother. then when she realises its not him she becomes extremely depressed again. Through the game she constantly reminds herself of what she did but also completely ignores the fact and searches for answers she already knows, similar to james but james is completely oblivious to what he did until he sees the tape.she wont be able to rest until she can fully come to terms with what she did.
@randomusername27 Well, I like to think that Silent Hill is presented as poetry, they're are no definite answers given so you can't be wrong. However, I would have thought being in a flaming room (which silent hill is identified as hell anyway) and then ascending a steep staircase with the intention of killing herself would symbolize her finally letting go and leaving her hell, via suicide.
I remember when I first beat this game, I saw this video for the first time. The camera angles, the music, what was being said made you really feel for the characters & almost like you were really there connecting with their emotions. The video is awesome but sad.
James couldn't have pulled Angela out and left. She still has to endure judgement. the "Stairs of Fire" is her version of a "Pyramid Head", she's forced to look at the "portraits" of the family member(s) she killed.
Both. She was raped and beat when she was about 6 to 14, and then she killed her father when she was about 17. She's about 17 in the game, and it takes place the day after the killing. Also, according to Angela, it is likely that she killed her brother as well. She's in Silent Hill to find her mother so she can kill her too. Then she planned to kill herself.
@Scroogethh she's not looking forward to be in a relationship with him. She probably wanted him as a guardian figure who can give her protection and care.
Silent Hill looks diffrent to everyone depending on the person,James is seeing SH from Angela's view,which is the fire,Eddies was like a giant freezer,& James is the rusty looking world,james usally sees other peoples other worlds before they die,such as him haveing to shoot Eddie,& I think Angela burned in the fire
Actually, the fire is from the Silent Hill "past world". The hotel burned down in the past. Presently it's fire damaged and flooded from the fire dept that put out the blaze. The freezer is also an existing place in Silent Hill. It wasn't part of Eddie's mind. Angela's mind created the Labyrinth and the Abstract Daddy.
@BelieveIt1051 You seem to like step into the other persons other world before they die, like Eddies other world is a meat freezer type thing (since he liked to eat)& james has to shoot him right after,we see Angela here(ive read some where she is afraid of fire)in her other world,asumming she dies that is lol,the past world thing works for the burning stairs but doesnt really explain some other things, but I guess every theroy has its flaws
Well here's the thing. Even after Eddie dies, the freezer remains. The world should have ended if that had indeed been his world. The same thing happened when Harry killed the Incubus, and when Henry killed Walter Sullivan. Their worlds collapsed. So the freezer did really exist in the town. Now the appearance may have been changed by Eddie, or maybe not. That could work either way.
Now, with Angela, James did experience her world, but her dark world was the past world of the hotel, which caught on fire in the real world at some point. We know the past world exists because of SH4:TR at least. Henry enters Apt 302 from the past as well as other past locations. The past world exists within the fog and dark worlds of Silent Hill, but not in the real world.
@BelieveIt1051 Those aren't the past those are memories...Silent Hill can't take you back in time it can only give life to what you feel. Angela sees the hotel on fire because she believes her life has been a living Hell and we all assume Hell is a hot place with constant fire. For world shifting part "Otherworlds" don't collapse but the one who creates it has the ability to take it back usually when they've realized what they did was wrong or lost.
But in SH4 Henry gets to the bottom of the stairwell and enters room 302 of the past. This was the black and white version of the apartment when Joseph Schreiber lived there. The hotel in SH2 is also in it's past state when James first gets there. The state it was in when he visited with Mary the first time. That was before the fire. Angela was viewing the hotel during the time it was on fire.
am i the only one that thinks angelica looks a lot like miyu from elfen lied but in as an adult
zombieKnight03 1 week ago
what is that he's doing with his left hand at 2:44? from this angle it looks really similar to the "mindwipe" hand motion he does at the beginning of the game in the first cutscene.
KnickKnack 2 weeks ago
I wish they make more games like this :c
MrFendkg287316 3 weeks ago
@MrFendkg287316 everybody want that... the sh 1, 2 and 3 are masterpieces, no one will make games like that.
yeffer0channel 2 weeks ago
Silent hill 2, a masterpiece, i am going to say it , THIS IS THE BEST GAME I EVER PLAYED, and i will continue playing it, it is more than a game
tortuga320 3 weeks ago
how has that place not burnt down yet
daitouzai 1 month ago
Don't cry dammit... Don't c... too late :'(
Rellik428 1 month ago 3
Wow, this is so sad. :(
mickey3348 1 month ago
I think this scene best illustrates what Silent Hill really is... a decent into an individual's personalized hell. A hell of their own mind. Angela's hell is reliving the times her father abused her, and how it led her to kill him. The games are much deeper then the average dummy gives them credit for.
crazyxtagen 1 month ago
Angela: Thank you for saving me, though i wish you haven't.
James: Well have fun burning up bitch. -walks out the door-
Angela: James wait!!! -fires blocks angela's path- Shit!
Raven5751 2 months ago
What a powerful scene. "You see it too? For me it's ALWAYS like this!" That line sends chills down my spine every time I hear it.
Rhapthorne3 2 months ago 4
The opening lines come off a little stilted because the lines were recorded separately and later patched together. It's a wonder that it ends as powerfully as it does. This scene could have been even stronger if Donna and I been given the chance to play it together.
GCNavigator 3 months ago 17
@GCNavigator crazy! I was checking the cutscene after hearing the second part of your interview with horror cast when I saw your comment!
LuotkaSnih 1 month ago
This is the most powerful scene in the game. I feel like Angela wasn't real, but she was a manifestation of James's thought; his contemplation of suicide throughout the game. I love this game because of the many different ways it can be interpreted.
ExtensiveGamer 3 months ago
It would have been nice to include an ending where he left with her. Given that she along with Laura are the only two good characters in the game. Her murder was justified.
berserkerlonewolf 3 months ago
Angela didn't deserve what happened to her
Wowlockmaster 3 months ago
Fuck you and your puppy dog!
MrFrogjab 3 months ago
ten years later.. and this scene still gets me
monkeybreath21 3 months ago 7
I don't think James can see the fire because Angela stops and says "you see it too...for me its always like this." That would be dumb if he could see the fire then remark its hot as hell in here
hadeshood 4 months ago 8
@hadeshood You see what James sees...you are James in the game. Whether it's being too close to Angela or whatever the reason, at that point in that room he can see the fire.
HisshouBuraiKen 3 months ago
I never noticed until now the slight inflection James puts on the word "myself", so he says "No, I'd never kill MYSELF" - alluding to the fact that he has killed other people. The writing and voice acting is really amazing!
TheSevenLands 5 months ago 6
SH 2 Probably the most poetic SH And one of da best
TheClassifiedID 5 months ago
WATEVA DAT BITCH BE SMOKING PASS IT MY WAY LOOOOOOOL
TheClassifiedID 5 months ago
Pain, misery and desolation
Loengrind 5 months ago
but what did Angela really do? Why the flames, what do they stand for? WHAT does she deserve????
ArtemisiaxAbsinthium 5 months ago
@ArtemisiaxAbsinthium [Spoiler] you can find what she did in a newspaper in the maze: her father killed her mother and then raped Angela; after that, Angela killed her father
Loengrind 5 months ago
@Loengrind Are you sure Angela's father killed her mother? I thought Angela's mother simply abandoned them
GideonFrost 3 months ago
@ArtemisiaxAbsinthium
She killed her father who had molested and abused her throughout her childhood, she could not live with the guilt and was looking for ways to kill herself. That's why she asks James for her knife. For the entire Silent Hill story she seems to be the most alert one, she seems to aware what Silent Hill has done to her and to other characters.
isonny2010 4 months ago
James gets a glimpse into Angela's world because like her, he is feeling guilty for murdering someone; notice how this scene occurs right after James realizes he killed Mary. The difference between them is that Angela walks into the flames, and instead of following her, James walks the opposite direction to confront the Pyramid Heads and what they stand for.
seyallica 5 months ago 7
such a powerful and moving scene on its own. comparable to masterpiece scenes from movies. even more moving when youre playing the game.
valdezapg 5 months ago
"It's hot as hell in here" *facepalm* really james?REALLY?
TheGhostofManyFaces 5 months ago 3
@TheGhostofManyFaces The game just wanted to be human. James just knew Angela was lost, and longing for death— in that case, you just don't know what to say...
SirPotrillo 5 months ago
@SirPotrillo yeah but it was just an obvious statement from an idiot it really didnt need to be said
TheGhostofManyFaces 5 months ago
@TheGhostofManyFaces Well, I'll give you that. But it's nothing compared to the "I'll call an ambulance" in SH3. xD
SirPotrillo 5 months ago
@SirPotrillo ahaha yeah you got me there
maybe all silent hill "heros" are like that
TheGhostofManyFaces 5 months ago
@TheGhostofManyFaces Surely SH2 demonstrates that you HAVE to have somehting wrong to be related to this town. XD
SirPotrillo 5 months ago
Pyramid head is explained in SH2 as the executioner of the beginings of silent hill, and yes, indeed it's a creation from james to give him a punishment for their own sin.
James saw the picture of him when him visit the town with her wife.
In the other games it's called Boogeyman I think, not Red pyramid head.
chuckzway 5 months ago
this needs more ponies...
pukemaster666 5 months ago
On a whim, tried syncing this up with Led Zepplin's Stairway to Heaven. Epic irony stuffs
Haghog99 6 months ago
epic music.....love that...
tomek1821 6 months ago
2:55
Soup2poiro 6 months ago
@Soup2poiro EPIC isn't?
ITALOpkg 6 months ago
what does she become after?
cepomwa 6 months ago
@cepomwa Hard to say. Maybe she gave up there.
I'd like to think that there's a chance she went on to face her own personal demons.
YorkJonhson 5 months ago in playlist Silent Hill 2 Cutscenes
When I played this as a kid I was so freakin' confused when she started calling me her 'momma'. BUT NOW I LOOK BACK AT IT AND UNDERSTAND IT WITH THE POWER OF THE YOUTUBES :DDDD
HUA12312 6 months ago
@HUA12312 Me too, haha.
alphazeta99 6 months ago
Your not my momma!
-james-...no crap sherlock
XcessivePro 7 months ago
"no... i'd never kill myself.."
*in water ending*
tccity1 7 months ago 10
@tccity1 ahahah
RoyMustangBest 7 months ago
@tccity1
I got that one too XD
God, this game is gold.
1ApertureRealist 7 months ago in playlist Silent Hill 2 Cutscenes
@tccity1 Everyone knows that isn't the real ending. Leave is.
KedViper 2 months ago 10
@KedViper thank you mr. irrelevant ..
tccity1 2 months ago 2
@tccity1 That is relevant.
KedViper 2 months ago
@KedViper Seconded.
YorkJonhson 1 month ago
@KedViper theres no cannon ending for to for your imformation as konami stated james's ending lies in the hands of who ever finishes the game and what ever ending you get is upto you its to make the game more talked about unlike the others witch aint as much talked about plus in the 3rd game douglas states that he went to silent hills years before the 3rd game to look for 2 missing people (james and mary) but never found them (meaning his ending is unknown)
Blaze187Killa 2 weeks ago
@Blaze187Killa Well, first I was just making a joke, but it was the best ending. Secondly, he never actually says who he was looking for but that would contradict what you said about them making the end be whichever you want. They do, however, make it very blatant in SH4 that he was lost because of what Henry said about the landlord's, who shares the same last name, son. But it could also be conceivable that James had a distant relationship with him and didn't contact him again.
KedViper 2 weeks ago
@KedViper douglas was talkin' about james and mary the writings on the wall its pretty obvious plus team silent hill stated that douglas was talkin' about james and mary cuz they was both never seen or heard from again and it is upto the player to deside james fate otherwise it would say dead or alive not unknown thats one of the main reasons the second game is my all time favorite silent hill cuz its got mystory to it no explained end and its a different look to the alternate realm
Blaze187Killa 1 week ago
@KedViper But as James father says he has disapeared in Silent hill and never came back, Maybe he killed himself...
MATAX5 4 days ago
@MATAX5 That's what I'm saying, though. James might have not had a close relationship with his father and might have left and intentionally stay hidden away from people who knew before. Anyways, I don't see why they would say it's up to you but then make concluding references about what happened. I choose to believe he left with Laura.
KedViper 3 days ago
@MATAX5
I think SH4 is a story relatead to the endings in SH2 which James didn´t survive or left Silent HIll. James´s father says his song dissapear maybe refering to the Water ED or Maria ED por example. The stories are releated to specifics finals in the other games, but it doesn´t mean that some endings are right or wrong. Actually i think there is no righ or wrong ending in the SH franquise, everything that you do it´s only up to what you think is the correct ending.
IlSH2 1 day ago
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HUA12312 7 months ago
Angela disliked this vid.
Itheanonymous 7 months ago
lots of fire but no smoke.........?
Sahbas84 7 months ago
@Sahbas84 I don't believe the laws of physics apply in the Otherworld.
Slightlybaka 7 months ago
"it's hot as hell in here."
sailormoonxsonic 8 months ago
@sailormoonxsonic "You see it too? For me, it's always like this."
Slightlybaka 7 months ago
someone once told me that in order to find balance the first step is to acknowledge (not forgive just yet) the pain of our pasts instead of running from it. Then acknowledge the fact that although these things happened we're still here. not in the best shape, but here.
thealmostjew 8 months ago
I wonder what this would be like if it was all special CGI, instead of just regular graphics.
KedViper 8 months ago 4
.." for me...its always like this..." T_T *keyboard full of tears*
TheKrustaceox 9 months ago 5
Chills everytime I come back to this scene. Possibly the most beautiful and tragic scene ever.
cassiosaurus 9 months ago
She is the most tragic character ever
punkduderock 9 months ago
The last, desperate choice of a lonely tortured soul, brought to a realm of their darkest dreams in an attempt to cure her of her inner rage and sadness...such an upsetting end to a woman stretched thin by the world.
WalkerOfTheWastes 9 months ago
"You see it too? For me, it's always like this". W0w.
stevesan 9 months ago
I think she went thru a horrible trauma as a child so she took her life with that knife
87lycanthropy 9 months ago
I actually think all the characters here are dead. And their spirits go to silent hill to comfront their demons as their Purgatory which have manifected into creatures that can harm them. They go to Silent Hill because thats where James killed his wife, where Angela took her life with that knife, where Eddie was murdered (mabe by Walter Sulivan) and where the little girl is traped because she died as at the hospilal where Mary was kept. Its Maria im still trying to figure out. Is she Mary? Hmmm
87lycanthropy 9 months ago
@87lycanthropy Maria is more like one of the tests James must go through to achieve peace.
kittykatrules 8 months ago
@kittykatrules Oh really, how so?
87lycanthropy 8 months ago
makes me cry ! cus i kinda miss my mama
Orphan00112 9 months ago
Wow, so powerful, I see so much of myself in all of these characters. But Angela most of all, every day I feel myself getting closer and closer to the top of the burning staircase. Brilliant, poetic, and drenched in symbolism. What an amazing game.
grgmys 9 months ago
So has Angela failed to come to terms with herself or is she entering some kind of purgatory?
GoldmansNephew 10 months ago
I've tried and tried, and I just can't comment here. There is nothing else that needs to be said. This is the most devastatingly beautiful and powerful scene I've ever come across, more so than in any other game or even any book or movie. Silent Hill 2 just has the power in it to provoke emotion that nothing else can.
It is just beautiful.
ginkgonk122 10 months ago 26
@ginkgonk122
AMEN!!!!!!!!
DEEPGNOSTIC 9 months ago
Is that the abstract daddy angie is looking at in the begining
Danakawinny 10 months ago
I would take care of Angela!!!
mrbloodshugar 10 months ago
@mrbloodshugar doing the right thing and taking care of a full blown headcase isn't all that easy, believe me :( and angie would be one messed up chick alright. It's pitiful really
lzoli18B 10 months ago
@lzoli18B shes is really sweet , kinda looney as well , but still sweet!!! And so innocent!!!
mrbloodshugar 10 months ago
Silent Hill 2 has the most well written story in SH series. The story of Homecoming is the second best and I really don't understand why so many people hate it.
sonofa2 11 months ago
@sonofa2 I love homecoming as well!!!
mrbloodshugar 10 months ago
@sonofa2 for me, at least, it's not the story of Homecoming that i dislike. it's the EXTREMELY combat-based gameplay that dominates the whole thing, which very seriously detracts from the surreal experience that i've always enjoyed from a silent hill game.
abel1389 10 months ago
@abel1389 i agre with you in that!!!
mrbloodshugar 10 months ago
@sonofa2 people don"t hate the story the story was good a little predictable but good. People hated the game because it was not scary at all it didn't fell like silent hill Homecoming was Hollywood scary
punkduderock 9 months ago
They should make a silent hill game with the entire backstory of angela including showing what she did just because i wanna see what she did
myworld548 11 months ago
@myworld548 I'd say it's pretty clear she killed her family, and if you ask me, they had it coming.
semysane 11 months ago
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how can the writing be this good
and the voice acting be this bad
in the one game
IWILLEATYOUHEAD 1 year ago
how can the writing be this good
and the voice acting this bad
IWILLEATYOUHEAD 1 year ago
"For me, it's always been like this."
This doesn't necessarily have to be taken literally. If you step out of Silent Hill's otherworld and supernatural phenomena laced throughout the series, you could interpret that line as Angela constantly living in turmoil under the oppressive dominance of her father.
I've interpreted it as her skin "burning" from all the abuse (sexual and physical) that she received from her father; i.e. the burning sensation you feel when you've been slapped or hit.
EverDownward 1 year ago
u r so right:)
january719 1 year ago
"you see it too? For Me.. it's always like this.." meaning.. that she's been in a kind of purgatory for so long that it's developed it's own conciousness. James see's it too because of his inner torment.
jeremyjealousy 1 year ago
best part- "its hot as hell in here"
WhereWeComeFrom 1 year ago
It's no secret that Angela was raped..even though its not explicitly said. In one of the puzzles James must find 3 tablets (each for one of the characters called to SH) and Angela's tablet is "Tablet of the Seductress" and it is found in a shower. Although Angela does not behave like a seductress its not uncommon for rape victims to shift their abusers guilt onto themselves. The fact that it is in the shower further supports a rape theory, implying dirtiness and the desire to cleanse oneself
DEEPGNOSTIC 1 year ago
@DEEPGNOSTIC I've never understood that; why in the world Team Silent decided to assign the "Tablet of the Seductress" to Angela, and not to Maria instead. It makes more sense, at least for me, that Angela be given the "Tablet of the Oppressor" as she was clearly dominated and held down under her father's oppressive abuse and control.
EverDownward 1 year ago
when i was saw this scene i was speechless....just so timeless and classic......definitely one of the most moving scenes in silent hill.....tears
january719 1 year ago 16
@january719 u r awesome!! i feel the same love this game so much
WhereWeComeFrom 1 year ago
@WhereWeCome this and resident evil.....are the all-time legendary games of survivor horror..
january719 1 year ago
@january719 hell ya but silent hill 2 was sooo much better than the others, im a fan of the series but this one is by far the best in my opinion, its just soo much more than a game, it deep, its art, its symbolic, its therapy, its love, its life, its death, its emotion, its silent hill.. lol and ya RE im a HUGE fan of the series, it comforted me so much in the past. i liked them all
WhereWeComeFrom 1 year ago
@WhereWeComeFrom
Well Said!!! By far my most favorite game on any platform of all time. It's just one of those games....
DEEPGNOSTIC 1 year ago
@DEEPGNOSTIC agreed.
WhereWeComeFrom 1 year ago
"For me, it's always like this."
;; Poor Angela. I like her character....
YlicecLyric 1 year ago
Eventually they need to make this into a movie that follows the themes and story religiously.
CveepyP 1 year ago
@CveepyP
Yes!!!! I pray that the sequel will follow the same themes as well. But i fear that they won't. You know they have to "hollywood" it up a little. I think David Dachuvny would be an excellent James
DEEPGNOSTIC 1 year ago
This is probably the best moment of Silent Hill 2 for me. When I played it for the first time, I didn't pay that much attention to Angela.. But as I came back to the game, she was suddenly the most interesting of all. It's brilliantly shown what happened to her. So much pain in her, you can almost feel it
Pterotrochej 1 year ago
@Pterotrochej what if they make another silent hill game with samuel jackson as the main character ?
luchadorbig 1 year ago
I wish they could give the same feeling in the movie as much as this scene...
shadowymoon88 1 year ago
The music in the movie version changed everything in this scene. The music's good here, but it feels more like simple background music than a true accompaniment of the scene, as opposed to the movie version.
TsukiyoAndAsahi 1 year ago
the synchronisation is terrible? She sounds retarded.
NudistInTheRye 1 year ago
It's interesting how Angela keeps looking at that body on the wall.
artgeek323 1 year ago
when i played it for the first time and i saw this all i wanted to do was give angela a big hug! :'(
Youg1 1 year ago 2
This is why Silent Hill 2 is such a masterpiece. Everything in it is open to interpretation.
The comment section on most SH2 videos is full of peoples own interpretations. Makes a nice change from arguments!
Wezzipooh 1 year ago
God damnnnn those graphics are nice
fearIfinch 1 year ago
Do you think James actually sees the fire? I know Angela says "You see it too", but all he says is"It's hot as hell in here" - seems awfully calm for someone surrounded by flames.
ReaperRain 1 year ago 6
@ReaperRain James isn't exactly 100% sane himself, though. He jumps into holes in the ground with no question.
I'm sure a room on fire is pretty much normal for him. xD
Shvonzy 1 year ago
@ReaperRain That's my interpretation too.
helljawz 1 year ago
Angela's parents basically never appear in the game...But i have a furious hate for them.... Those things is what makes a game one masterpiece...when you care about the characters, even knowing they do not exist, they are more common peolple than we thought...like, i know everyone said "What the hell James? You killed her? Why? Why you did that?...."
TheKrustaceox 1 year ago 22
@TheKrustaceox I totally agree. Its masterful and powerful story telling. Even with so little dialogue and few cutscenes, you care about the characters. Angela only appears in 3 cutscenes I believe.
The movie should have tried to emulate this game.
Wezzipooh 1 year ago
when I was younger playing this I never understand James couldn't see those flames. I thought James can see it and it's just the room that's on fire
girl4433 1 year ago
I feel really bad for Angela. I reckon she may have killed someone though that why the knife had blood on it and thats why see can see the monsters in Silent Hill. I believe its her father. This might explain why she called the monster that attacked her daddy. I pity her cause she never got over what happened to her and just wanted the pain to end.
Blazenix1 1 year ago
i ust to think ther was fire coz she burnt her house down and killed her momma
man i was a dumb kid LOL i think i was about 15 at the time couldent realy apresate this game back then but i can now
you think ther will ever be a game like this again i doubt it
zachthezombie 1 year ago
James: "It's hot as hell in here."
Angela: "You see it too? For me it's always like this."
I thought this was the best quote in the game. It showed that for once one of them could step into the other worlds. While James constantly sees monsters and sexually ambiguous imagery, Angela is engulfed in the painful flames of her past and is unable to escape.
Only1MJP 1 year ago 23
@Only1MJP I Always thought she always saw it that way because it was what "Happened" to Silent Hill, SInce in the first one there was the snow (I Thought it was Ash) And the sirens happened whenever the world went to the Nightmare world. I Believed it was a burned/hellish version of Silent Hill and was burned to the structure (Why there was mostly chain for walls and floors) and the blood made it all Hellish.
knex728 1 year ago
@Only1MJP When youtube was a unknow thing for me, i was sure that i was a freak praising that cutscene as a masterpiece of life...But now i know, lots of peole share it with me. Thank You all Silent Hill mates.
TheKrustaceox 1 year ago
@Only1MJP Also, did you know that when you see Eddie in the meat locker that's an inside look on how Silent Hill appears to him as a manefestation of his cold personlity and disregard for people.
TheMoshdude 6 months ago
Angela: Ur not my Mama!
James: Of course not you Idiot! LMAO :X
Antikaku99 1 year ago
"For me, it's always like this" is, in my opinion, one of the most profound and true statements about abuse and the mindset it develops that I've heard.
JBarracudaL 1 year ago 8
Is this the 2nd one?
DramaticMoments 1 year ago
Angela, keep on climbing the stairs to heaven. You'll get there soon enough.
roxasraider 1 year ago
@roxasraider i wish...she is climbing the stairs of pain forever....she will never be happy...its so sad
randomusername27 1 year ago
poor angela...god its so tragic!.i like to think her walking up the stairs represents an endless climb to try and free her soul.James can figure himself in the end out but for anglela its like falling into a botomless pit of depression.she is a pure symbol of pain and hurt.this is such art....everything about it.The game gets so intense in the last hour.ive never experienced anything quite like it.This is one of my favourite scenes ever in a game and probably the most mature story ever in a game
randomusername27 1 year ago 34
@randomusername27 Try Rule Of Rose.
Akinohotarubi 1 year ago
@randomusername27
This scene also represents what happens when one fails to come to terms with the past. While James was successful in confronting his inner demons clearly Angela was not. One could argue there was no salvation for her cause she was looking for the wrong person. She should have been looking for her dad & brother & put the blame where it belong instead of eternally torturing herself, hoping for comfort from someone who didn't do a good job of protecting her.
DEEPGNOSTIC 1 year ago 48
@DEEPGNOSTIC yes i agree.nice comment.
randomusername27 1 year ago
@DEEPGNOSTIC You believe her brother also had a part in the abuse ? Where did you see that ?
TsukiyoAndAsahi 1 year ago
@TsukiyoAndAsahi
Well when James first meets Angela in the cemetery she tells him that she thought her brother and father would be there but she can't find their graves!
DEEPGNOSTIC 1 year ago
@DEEPGNOSTIC Aaaah I see.
TsukiyoAndAsahi 1 year ago
@DEEPGNOSTIC nice, i see ur an intelligent fan, cheers
WhereWeComeFrom 1 year ago
@DEEPGNOSTIC now thats something i can agree with
sage43110 1 year ago
@DEEPGNOSTIC you are so full of shit
lol subjective interpretations and projections everywhere
genericity 7 months ago
@randomusername27 *clap my hands with tears in my eyes*
TheKrustaceox 1 year ago
@randomusername27 I dont think it represents that, I always saw it as her ascending to heaven. She was in hell while she was alive, which is shown in silent hill physically, but I think she always felt like their were flames even outside the town "For me, its always like this" even if they werent physically there. And then she tells james about planning to kill herself and walks up the stairs, through the flames to die, hopefully ascending.
trxdblogger 11 months ago
@trxdblogger I think the steepness of the stairs represent the pain of what shes going through. Its hard to say whether she dies or not seen as though the flames,picture and the stairs are all symbolic. Yes I agree the flames were with her outside the town but not in the phsical sense, but silent hill brought her feelings to life. However the ascension up the stairs certainly doesnt look as if shes going to heaven to me. Just look at the steepness of the stairs and the way she climbs them.
randomusername27 11 months ago
@trxdblogger also she claims that maybe she can now finally rest when she thinks james is her mother. then when she realises its not him she becomes extremely depressed again. Through the game she constantly reminds herself of what she did but also completely ignores the fact and searches for answers she already knows, similar to james but james is completely oblivious to what he did until he sees the tape.she wont be able to rest until she can fully come to terms with what she did.
randomusername27 11 months ago
@randomusername27 Well, I like to think that Silent Hill is presented as poetry, they're are no definite answers given so you can't be wrong. However, I would have thought being in a flaming room (which silent hill is identified as hell anyway) and then ascending a steep staircase with the intention of killing herself would symbolize her finally letting go and leaving her hell, via suicide.
trxdblogger 11 months ago
@randomusername27 EXACCLY!!!!!
mrbloodshugar 10 months ago
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randomusername27 1 year ago
I liked Angela
poor girl
GoldenToraToraChan 1 year ago
I remember when I first beat this game, I saw this video for the first time. The camera angles, the music, what was being said made you really feel for the characters & almost like you were really there connecting with their emotions. The video is awesome but sad.
spumpkins4691 1 year ago
Woah, typo. *remorseful
Clarie011791 1 year ago
" Its hot as hell in here". That quote can summerize all life, time and space.
Nemesis0300 1 year ago
She didn't die if James found the dog.
Cyberleader12 1 year ago
James couldn't have pulled Angela out and left. She still has to endure judgement. the "Stairs of Fire" is her version of a "Pyramid Head", she's forced to look at the "portraits" of the family member(s) she killed.
simonxalo 1 year ago
@simonxalo She killed them? I dont remeber that. I thought her father raped and abused her?
Nemesis0300 1 year ago
Both. She was raped and beat when she was about 6 to 14, and then she killed her father when she was about 17. She's about 17 in the game, and it takes place the day after the killing. Also, according to Angela, it is likely that she killed her brother as well. She's in Silent Hill to find her mother so she can kill her too. Then she planned to kill herself.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
If I was James, I'd just run away from the crazy lady.
leauxbert 1 year ago
esta escena me encanta... transmite una sensación melancólica al final que te cala hondo.
Además, vemos la locura de Angela y a lo largo del juego podemos entender el por qué... lo mejor "Para mi siempre es así" Pobre Angela.
That cutscene loves to me... It feel a sensation of sorrow at the end that make deep in heart.
And, we can see the Angela's madness and, because we've playing we can understand her feelings. The best "For me, is always like this"
parcas88 1 year ago 5
Angela: "James... give me back that knife."
James: "No. I, I won't."
Angela: "Saving it for yourself?"
James: "Me? No... I'd never kill myself."
[YOU'VE UNLOCKED...: 'IN WATER' ENDING!]
m4574j 1 year ago 41
whats the music in this scene called?
ninjasolidsnake 1 year ago
@ninjasolidsnake
Theme of Laura (Reprise)
Only1MJP 1 year ago
@Only1MJP
Thank you! The name of this song has been driving me crazy
Victoriousllama 5 months ago
1:42 Poor Angela hasn't figured out that James isn't the most reliable person to be in a relationship with.
Scroogethh 1 year ago
@Scroogethh she's not looking forward to be in a relationship with him. She probably wanted him as a guardian figure who can give her protection and care.
girl4433 1 year ago
Silent Hill looks diffrent to everyone depending on the person,James is seeing SH from Angela's view,which is the fire,Eddies was like a giant freezer,& James is the rusty looking world,james usally sees other peoples other worlds before they die,such as him haveing to shoot Eddie,& I think Angela burned in the fire
PrincessDevin302 1 year ago
Actually, the fire is from the Silent Hill "past world". The hotel burned down in the past. Presently it's fire damaged and flooded from the fire dept that put out the blaze. The freezer is also an existing place in Silent Hill. It wasn't part of Eddie's mind. Angela's mind created the Labyrinth and the Abstract Daddy.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
@BelieveIt1051 You seem to like step into the other persons other world before they die, like Eddies other world is a meat freezer type thing (since he liked to eat)& james has to shoot him right after,we see Angela here(ive read some where she is afraid of fire)in her other world,asumming she dies that is lol,the past world thing works for the burning stairs but doesnt really explain some other things, but I guess every theroy has its flaws
PrincessDevin302 1 year ago
Well here's the thing. Even after Eddie dies, the freezer remains. The world should have ended if that had indeed been his world. The same thing happened when Harry killed the Incubus, and when Henry killed Walter Sullivan. Their worlds collapsed. So the freezer did really exist in the town. Now the appearance may have been changed by Eddie, or maybe not. That could work either way.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
Now, with Angela, James did experience her world, but her dark world was the past world of the hotel, which caught on fire in the real world at some point. We know the past world exists because of SH4:TR at least. Henry enters Apt 302 from the past as well as other past locations. The past world exists within the fog and dark worlds of Silent Hill, but not in the real world.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago
@BelieveIt1051 Those aren't the past those are memories...Silent Hill can't take you back in time it can only give life to what you feel. Angela sees the hotel on fire because she believes her life has been a living Hell and we all assume Hell is a hot place with constant fire. For world shifting part "Otherworlds" don't collapse but the one who creates it has the ability to take it back usually when they've realized what they did was wrong or lost.
Askar450 1 year ago
But in SH4 Henry gets to the bottom of the stairwell and enters room 302 of the past. This was the black and white version of the apartment when Joseph Schreiber lived there. The hotel in SH2 is also in it's past state when James first gets there. The state it was in when he visited with Mary the first time. That was before the fire. Angela was viewing the hotel during the time it was on fire.
BelieveIt1051 1 year ago