Cosmology in Crisis Part 2

[GEOmagnets]

another amazing video... would love to see it without the Einstein hate... he has more quottes about him not knowing than anyone I know... he was a thinker and a genius... not all geniuses use their lap coats... :) love yall for what you put together.... it is genius... for real..

[AntonyThorburn]

The Truth is Hidden or more likely unseen by conventional science

[AmazedCactus]

i hope these dark ages are over soon, 100 years in a black hole should be enough to know it's bollocks. Incredible how obvious the E.U seems now, hidden in plain sight, thanks to everyone involved thundersboltsproject and beyond.

[homie12100]

hey soupdragon your last reply says a month ago. Ive got many questions to discuss with you. Let me know if you are reviewing this material plz. thnx

[joppadoni]

for me the thought of a singularity think big bang in reverse, think matter breaks down to molecules, which in turn break down to atoms, then to protons and electrons ( skipping neutrons here ) then in to quarks then gluons and bosons and then prolly lets say strings.. mass less strings

[joppadoni]

thing with black holes.. the centre has no mass, its pure energy. the mass is close to the centre. so if a star collapses in on itself it will begin to lose mass if present ideas are correct therefore why would it attract matter over that which it did when it lived? never made sense to me

[soupdragon42]

@joppadoni Yes, the whole concept of black holes is nonsensical.

[stamstuff]

so the crisis realy is in the human brain...

[IloveYOUviruses]

Do you realize that plasma cosmology is more appealing to creationists than BBT? "let there be light" sayeth the LORD... you can analize superclusters and QSO2galaxy evolution in order to find a beggining, also, the filament-like structure of the universe can be seen as the sparky creation event.

and a more interesting question arises as "who super charged the universe?"

the only objection could be the rejection of a day without yesterday, but it's still absurd to consider an infinite past.

[soupdragon42]

@IloveYOUviruses It is best to regard the size and age of the universe as infinite until credible evidence suggests otherwise. Again, we should be working backwards from the evidence, not forwards from subjective hypothesis.

[IloveYOUviruses]

@soupdragon42 if you start with the asumption of infinity, then you are prone to repeat the same errors of arrogance that BBers do, this is not black and white, when you don't know, you don't know and you recognize it instead of making assumptions, dont you think?

[soupdragon42]

@IloveYOUviruses This is not an assumption. It is a mere default position in the absence of any contradictory evidence. Sure, this is a subtle differentiation. There may have been a beginning, but let's not confine the universe to the limits of our intelligence and cultural prejudices. Let's work backwards from the evidence, and try not to select, interpret, and distort evidence to fit ideology.

[IloveYOUviruses]

@soupdragon42 sure, it's default position...

now I see that even plasmers are tied to the religiosity inherent to mankind, everybody thinks their assumptions are always the default position, that doesn't mean that you are wrong tho

[soupdragon42]

@IloveYOUviruses Do not foget that the BBT is a creatonist dogma, dreamed up by a catholic priest who was also a mathematician, in order to reconcile science and religion. This was his aim. The only difference is the time scale - 15 billion instead of 5000 years!

[GuiboyAgamennon]

I saw the video, and throwout the "evidence" list presented by this video billionths of tiny paces of reality came screaming into my head opening my eyes and warning me about what i was just witnessing,i struggle to find a coherent and well structure cometary, but i could only came up with this: ... BULLSHIT!

[kristoferdunbar]

@QuantumQuacks its sad ignorant people like yourself still exist.

[durbin1914]

Does any of this incorporate, zero point energy, Like a dead state of matter or energy, same thing, e does = m c squared. the math does work.

And Einstein worked on gravity, That was his main goal, Tesla did electricity. Both did thought experiments

Great video, and reminds me of this guy called Ed, who Built Corral Castle. A man who believed in magnets, and nothing else.

[durbin1914]

If a black hole has an infinite gravitational pull, and gravity travels infinitely, then we would should feel this gravity at an infinite pull, even at this range.

But a question I have is Why do they say light bends around a star through gravitation But use magnets to bend laser light, To speed up particles and also magnetism can cool and heat up matter.

Why doesn't light bend around our sun because of this instead of gravity.

The N and S poles, Make our water swirl around the toilet.

[durbin1914]

A singularity from what I have seen so far, is just a single point of the center of a spin, which is where all sides, meet in the center. Or a fixation point in pace, which can be of any debatable size.

All matter is made up of electric waves, Hindu's know this, and the hippies knew this because of them, they call them vibes, or vibrations. Which is related to electricity. Not chi, upon a meridian, but electricity.

Worm hole is a large singularity stretched out in space.

[derman077]

But then humans would know that electricity is free.

[orthotox]

For me, trash music connotes trash science. I'm gone!

[ethicalbro]

At 5:54 you video states that gravity is unable to account for spirals on earth. If that is true. What do you say accounts for the water spiral differences in the northern hemisphere and southern hemisphere? Case in point hurricanes and typhoons.

[soupdragon42]

@ethicalbro Electric Weather!

[genogeno1234]

@ethicalbro I think that has more to do with the coriolis effect than gravity

[smawshot]

@ethicalbro if it was just gravity then they should all spin the same way from the same gravity rather than in different directions depending on which pole they are closer to no?

[ChristophDollis]

To add more detail to my previous question, I am looking for **new** scientists and other (named) credible people who are rapidly coming to believe this hypothesis has merit.

There may BE such people other than the few people behind the websites you see linked on this subject over and over again. I find Eric Lerner and Donald Scott to be especially worth listening to.

You claim rapid, increasing momentum though. Can you please back that up?

[soupdragon42]

@ChristophDollis Take a look at Thunderbolts(dot)info. Their forums and msg boards and the general interest over there is something to behold.

They have also been able to make successful predictions based on their models, contrary to just about everything in mainstream astronomy.

Also checkout Anthony Perrat, a student of Alfven, who has written many peer reviewed papers on the relationship between plasma and mythology the world over.

[ChristophDollis]

Your videos make a lot of assertions without references. So be it. It's a 10 minute video (although you could make more use of the info box).

I have one question in particular: How and with whom is Plasma Cosmology a.k.a. the Electric Universe fast gaining momentum?

Now I actually ask out of genuine curiosity. I find the idea quite fascinating. I don't know if it's true, but it would certainly seem to explain a lot.

Answering that question would be kind of helpful in making your case.

[EltonJThe]

i think he protruded his tongue for a reason. :) Although he didn't know it at the time, it was an unconscious attempt to tell everyone how stupid they are to hero worship him.

[euripideesshreds]

WOW ! Thank you very much !

[smodass]

Great video. Been always skeptical of the present model. And always questioned the Hero worship of Einstein.

[rstamand]

Have you ever studied Nassim Harramein, theories ?

[soupdragon42]

@rstamand Yes, just more astract math...

[antimatterXXXIII]

Gravitational models have nothing to do with either the Higgs field in particular, or quantum field theory in general. The only input to GR is the energy density of matter of all kinds regardless of its small-scale nature. Matter causes spacetime curvature - that is certain. So this is simply a mistake and you should remove it. (Again this applies only to GR in its present form, aloof from the other interactions.)

[soupdragon42]

As I state in my videos, Einstein was a modest and humble man, but others ran with his ideas, very often taking them too literally and out of context.

[antimatterXXXIII]

Sorry to be so insistent but your message is mixed up with unjustified claims. Black holes are a consequence of assuming GR to be strictly correct in its present form down to the smallest level - this is almost certainly not so, and GR is probably very heavily modified in extremely dense matter arrangements. But that doesn't make it wrong, or black holes "mere abstractions". The problem is with the tacit assumption that GR is correct in situations of extremely dense matter.

[antimatterXXXIII]

Paul Davies is an utter moron - what he said about Einstein was utterly false - Einstein had the keenest interest in experiments of all kinds. Get rid of that quote! Don't tarnish Einstein with these idiot latter-day interpreters!

[antimatterXXXIII]

You must be clear about this - plasma science is not incompatible with general relativity, which is incontrovertibly correct in its realm of application (oddly, the people who make it a god often understand it the least and can't even apply it correctly to a single galaxy). Any argument that tries to argue that GR is wrong because plasmas are right, is wrong from the start. Don't lump Einstein in with the people who have closed minds.

[nickharvey7]

Great Video!!

Galaxies like beads on a necklace!!

[14PinkFloyd]

Amazing! I have honestly sat and free thought about this sort of thing. Knowing that Gravity IS SO Weak compared to EM. If you jump off the Empire State Building, gravity has all that distance to speed you up and EM takes a split second and micro distances to STOP You. You hit the EM force of objects, Never actually the Object.

I would LOVE To Know more on This!!

Thanks for Sharing!!

[willsmackyoudown]

Whats sad is you can actually study this theory and the "Expanding Earth Theory" and you want to start laughing at first, but the more you dig the more painfully obvious it is that these theories make way more sense than our current ones which are based off of wrong math and assumptions. I used to think we almost new everything. Now Im convinced the scientific media is about the same as the Catholic Church. Dogmatic, Ignorant and stubborn. Their is only one way... their way.

[TheWillwillwill]

Hi there willsmacky. I agree that science is as dogmatic as religion. I think that is now ending. In Hinduism the Kali Yuga is a dark age in which deception is everywhere. Revelations also speaks of everyone being deceived. This theme is also found in Islam and Zorasterism. We find deception everywhere we look. The ferderal reserve is a private corporation. Columbus did not discover america. The founding fathers of the U.S. where mostly Masons, who had a distast for christianity.

[TheWillwillwill]

The princeton global consciousness project is demonstrating that consciousness exist independent of our physical bodies. Everything we thought we knew is being turned upsidedown. All the walls are coming down. Reality is going to change in a big way. Consciousness is going to force it. The tide has turned. The truth is coming out. We ourselves are nothing but energy. We imagine that we are using these devises to communicate, but that is an illusion aswell. Everything has always been connected.

[EltonJThe]

@willsmackyoudown EXACTLY!!

[nkracher]

Also, very interesting video. makes me think.

[goblin072]

There is nothing wrong with pure thought experiments. Albert E. did not like to do experiments. His work has held up under experimentation. As long as others were willing to test his theories I do not see why it matters that he personally did not conduct many.

He was a great deep thinker and had what most scientists lack, he actually used his intuition. He had help with the math to back up his claims. He was not a great mathematician.

[ChrisFreely78]

Yes and Mark McCutcheon in his book The Final Theory shows that Einstein lied in his E = MC^2 equation. It was falsified and he removed the evidence from the proof which none of the best and brightest minds of science caught until an electrical engineer came along and checked for mathematical errors! Simply amazing.

[goblin072]

Have not read that book but to say he lied? That is not the entire theory by a long shot. Its just the cleanest looking form of it. Its not a lie it holds to this day. He did not figure it all out though. It is not complete.

[ChrisFreely78]

The evidence points to a lie rather than a accident. You can't delete two lines from an equation that remove the proof of your work by accident, especially when they are the incriminating lines.

[nkracher]

Why do people come on here just to rant about their religious ideology or other beliefs and not about the subject at hand...im refering to the people ranting...

[libertangel]

Aryan Christianity?, that comment wasn't neccesary my fellow comrade, that demonstrate how ignorant and superstitious you are.

[soupdragon42]

I trust you are referring to some of AristYdes bizarre comments, below?

[squacher]

I have always said, You can be the most brilliant scientist or the most educated person and have negligent wisdom or common sense. Humanity is errored through conceit and all of the negative characteristics of children. We are consistently lied to because of human arrogance and pride and fear. Humanity is greatly errored.

[goblin072]

Sad but true. We are our own worst enemy.

We are still evolving, gives us a few thousand more years. We are cavemen with high tech toys.

[goblin072]

@squacher No argument from me on that. We are our own worst enemies.

But cut us some slack. We have whites, blacks, Chinese etc. Men and Women. In some form or another we need each other. Flying around the galaxy on a ball with some water and rock. We are in a big puzzle, like rats in a maze. Some people choose to just accept it not figure it out, just have fun playing in it. Scientists just have to try to figure it out. Can go nuts doing it.

[soupdragon42]

Comment from legion3721 removed. Religious diatribe.

[willsmackyoudown]

Now soupdragon I have question? I dont want you to think Im crazy or anything but are you familiar with Astrology? Ancient civilizations were obsessed with the 12 zodiac signs. Each sign is governed by a different constellation in the Universe and they believed it affected your personality. For example, people in May are the Taurus, from the constellation taurus and have similiar characteristics. My questions is could an electric universe affect your brainwaves depending on the strength?

[soupdragon42]

The positions of the planets can quite possibly affect our moods, but the current 12 house system is now redundant for a number of reasons.

[AristYdes]

Our science has forgotten the importance of experience because it is dominated by jews, who only know about mathematical speculation because their original occupation was trade and usury. When science is dominated again by aryans well see the light again with the aid of the christian God. Amen.

[soupdragon42]

I am not aware of any Jewish dominance in the sciences. Granted, Einstein' s mathematical approach has done untold damage, but he was modest enough to concede many problems with GR/SR in his later days.

[AristYdes]

Nobody is aware of any jewish dominance in anything (except religion, of course). Thats one of the main points when you embark on a conspiracy to rule the world.

[soupdragon42]

Judaism is a minortiy religion, although it later gave rise to the other two Semitic religions - Christianity and Islam. I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

[AristYdes]

Capitalism, that is, the base of all our contemporary life and its many problems (war, starvation, drug trade, pollution, etc.) is the invention and the exclusive domain of jews. In the Middle Ages Christianity almost erradicates all the jews from the planet, so they decided to strike back and survive by means of a new world order based on money and speculation, satisfying their resentful nature as well.

[AristYdes]

Science has become a slave of capitalism too. All this has been happening in a very silent way. But, which is the backbone of capitalism? Money. And what does money have to do with reality? Nothing. Its not natural nor artificial. Its an abstraction. And science, as a slave of capitalism, has become full of meaningless abstractions, which are them all nothing but synonyms of "money".

[legion3721]

Wait a minute, hold on I think what your saying is only a half truth. You can't blame all of the imposed ignorance of the old guard on Jews. How about Zionists being part of a plot to with hold knowledge for they're own ends? You can't blame all Jews. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[squareeyedgit]

You are a pillock. Bugger off back to the dark ages and take your 'Aryan Christianity' with you.

[klaudiagaja]

Thank you for the videos! They are really well made and the information is fascinating. These theories seem more plausible than mainstream ones, and even if there's an even better explanation for how the universe works, these countertheories are important for questioning current science, and stirring things up a bit. Current science is boring and mostly anti-scientific...

[skylynx225]

Flashy graphics but I think you did not go to class on this particular week. If models don't work or cannot be tested in science, we throw them aside.

Someone needs to read Ostlie and Carrol or perhaps spend some time reading Pebles' . Astrophysicists would be crazy NOT to include electromagnetic fields, thermal gradients, and gravity when dealing with astronomical objects. Plasma jets are easily explained when you work through the physics. I dare you. It can be worked out in a few pages.

[soupdragon42]

Plasma jets can be understood in terms of electromagnetism, but not in terms of gravity and fluid dynamics. That's the issue. Yes, it seems that many in the mainstream are crazy!

[alokinzna]

"Its filamentary my dear Watson . "

:D

[77GSlinger]

Great Work!

[t3tsuyaguy1]

You do know that Einstein began his work on relativity studying the behavior of light...you know...the electromagnetic spectrum.

[soupdragon42]

Yes. Strange then, that he should ignore EM thereafter.

[Re4dSetH]

Nice vids:) always into learning new theories since the truth hasn't been allowed in the past. What's your view on ley lines of the planet? I know that was another thing hidden from the public back when Tesla came out with his standing wave tower that JP Morgan destroyed..

[soupdragon42]

Leylines? Subtle EM waves I suspect, though possibly fas less active now?

[Re4dSetH]

Thx for the reply, just have been putting the pieces together slowly..like the ability to draw electricity from the earth's grid along with the reasoning for the harmonics in the pyramids + the connections to the obelisks at the Whitehouse + Vatican...pretty sure Haarp fits in there also, drawing energy from the planet...it'll be nice when we get to know eventually:)

[TonyTuthill]

yeah yeah yeah o.k. so you win. What next? Is the solar system energy grid mapped yet? Can you charge a vehicle to move back and forth in charged solar system filaments? Also: Where are the Wal-Mart products to harness solar system EM power it and Grid-tie it. You are all hucksters until you can bring it home. The YouTube videos are great though. Thanks.

[soupdragon42]

LOL. As Tesla said, one day we will hook our machines to the very wheelwork of nature, but there are some people out there who oppose such an idea.

[clamtrox]

Are you saying that general relativity is wrong simply because it doesn't consider electromagnetic interactions? Are you nuts? There has been an ongoing effort for over 50 years now to combine general relativity (gravity) and the quantum theories describing other forces, but it simply hasn't been successful yet. Obviously you don't have even a rudimentary understanding about basic physics, nor the way science is made...

However, your music taste is quite good, and pictures are pretty.

[soupdragon42]

In answer to your first two questions: Yes and No.

The mathematical approach to cosmology has got us nowhere. Now it's time to start with the evidence, and work back from there, without ignoring the prevalance of Plasma and Electromagnetism, even if they do threaten the elegant math!

[clamtrox]

You're not nuts? Then why do you argue that black holes are points? Everyone who knows anything about physics, knows that they are not.

Furthermore, general relativity has been tested over and over again, and every single observation agrees with the theory.

You can't just go about flinging feces like a chimp, but need to present a real scientific case for your theory. Unlike this "electric universe"-hypothesis, GR actually works.

[soupdragon42]

How would you define a singularity, then? GR may seem to work within the narrow confines of our solar system, but only when you are selective with the evidence, and stir in copious exotic-hypotheticals. Get real.

[clamtrox]

Firstly, GR is a classical (non-quantum) field theory, and therefore the predictions it makes about spacetime in very small regimes is probably wrong.

Secondly, exactly which evidence is against GR?

Thirdly, gravitational lensing "seems to work" also far outside the "narrow confines of our solar system".

[soupdragon42]

In response to your three points:

1. You say 'probably wrong', but I would say almost certainly wrong

2. See 1 and 3

3. You say gravitational lensing 'seems' to work. Another loose interpretation in other words.

[t3tsuyaguy1]

Singularities described as having infinite volume are place-holder concepts. Every cosmologist/physicist I have met or watched on television states that they basically don't know what's going on at the center of a black hole. That's why they are still working. Theory's not done. You don't want undercooked theory do you?

[soupdragon42]

The Math is overcooked, for sure!

[t3tsuyaguy1]

The music and visuals in these videos ARE pretty cool.

[TheBadAsstronomer]

Very good. Back to my prescription medicine now ;-)

[sandman4224]

David,

Another gem! I was at Watkins Glen Park in upstate NY (Finger Lakes area) today and couldn't help but be reminded of the Electric Universe and its connection with the formation of the deep gorges present there. The thunderbolt does indeed steer the universe!

[RevolutionaryJam]

do you like Nassim haramein?

[soupdragon42]

Who? I'll google him.

[RevolutionaryJam]

type him into youtube, there is an 8 hour long presentation he gives in two 4 hour parts on google video, extremely interesting viewing, enlightening and spiced with some humour which makes it a pleasure to watch

[epitaphz]

I had a dream once. I found myself on a bus. My son leaned in and whispered into my ear, "I know what the problem is. They have an incorrect model for the universe and they are trying to apply it to everything...!" Inspiring videos - thanks

[soupdragon42]

Exactly!

[shrunkensimon]

Another great set of videos :-)

[RevolutionaryJam]

so do you think black holes definately don't exist or do you think they may or may not exist?

very interesting vid btw, gr8 job!

[soupdragon42]

Black Holes do not exist in the gravitational/abstract mathematical sense espoused by the mainstream. This is a nonsense.

What we see at the centre of galaxies are immense plasma focuses -- huge electromagnetic wells which account empirically for all the observed phenomena, and in paricular the jets of plasma which are expelled...