Eclipse of Reason - Charlton Heston on Abortion

[Radetzky19]

What a load of bull!! Until someone can prove that an embryo can feel pain within the first month scientifically instead of just spouting false information, abortion should not be an issue!!! What is wrong with tools like Heston trying to limit female reproductive rights?

[xukeith33]

Speak up for the victims of abortion!! Silence is deafening!

[xukeith33]

Speak up for the victims of abortion!! Silence id deafening!

[Jaygull]

Showing abortion would just cloud the ethical issues. Birth is a fascinating process, but also shouldn't be on television.

[mar88ia]

So, I disagree with Mr. Heston, but goddammmm do I love his voice! <3

[LovedbcHim]

Look at Eclipse of Reasoning, abortion documentary. I am 23 weeks pregnant with a little boy myself. In this video a little boy is aborted:( I could not imagine aborting my son, ever:(

[neocon2009]

WHAT A FREAKING MAN!!!  You don't get that kind of warm hearted strong toned common sense anymore! Ya gotta love it!

[AtTheCornerCafe]

Excellent.

[McDuff73]

what is it with all these religious nutbags that think they have a right to enforce their mythology on the rest of the world?

The answer is simple if you dont like abortion then dont ever have one otherwise shut the fuck up and keep your nose out of other peoples business, stick to your churches mosques or wherever you masturbate to your invisible man in the sky.

[LoneIndividual]

@McDuff73

Atheism as a fact has brought more death upon the world in all recorded history than any religious establishment.

You worship Silence, Death,...even Nothingness. NIHILISM IS YOUR PHILOSOPHY. NO LIVING THING CAN ENDURE YOUR PESTILENCE.

Youtube. com /watch?v=JdYE8518l_E

"Religion is the Opiate of the Masses" - Marx

Well, that's a half truth. All Entertainment is an Opiate.

[LoneIndividual]

@LoneIndividual

Pain and Misery are entertainment. Bondage is entertainment. Death is entertainment. Chaos is entertainment. Nothingness is entertainment.

Religion has turned into entertainment...like Hollywood movies. Infact, Hollywood is a religious establishment! Their churches are named theaters, their religious figures are actors, directors, producers...and they even preach morality relative to their own values.

True Religion is a hope beyond the finite nature of the artificial.

[McDuff73]

@LoneIndividual no one kills people out of no faith but millions have died because of faith.

[LoneIndividual]

@McDuff73

The 80 Million murdered in China by Atheists cry from the history books against your assertion.

[McDuff73]

@LoneIndividual they werent killed because the murderers where athiests they were murdered because the murderers were bastards, however how many people died in WACO texas because of their christian ideals?

how many died in Oklahoma because of McVeys christian ideals?

Then in China we have the Taping revolution started by a christian convert who couldnt become a mandarin estimates of 60 million dying in that conflict!

I think I stand by my original comments.

[swaPREACH43]

@McDuff73 millions have died cause of faith. 66 million christians murdered during the bolshevik reign of europe. Any christians found with religious christian belongings were to be shot on site. that should be in the history books. I am not a christian or religious at all but i understand why they try to believe in something greater. I believe in rather blaming god, we should blame man andthe idiocracy he has made us into. We are being bred into a dumbed down species of jersey shore wannabes.

[swaPREACH43]

@McDuff73 We should blame the media above all. The media should explore ways to educate and improve our species yet they seem too greedy to think about health unless they can make a buck off of it.

[McDuff73]

@swaPREACH43 before the media is called to task we should be calling the worlds religions to task.

[swaPREACH43]

@McDuff73 I recall that in the 1800s there was not a considerable amount of abortions due to stronger family and moral values. With the failure of these values thanks to the media and the empowerment of women to abandon the role of mother we have slowly lost these values. With our society abandoning our children we need to instill values once more

[McDuff73]

@swaPREACH43 so you would like to return to an era where we whipped children in classrooms and mad ethem sit in the corner with a dunce cap on!?

You want to return to a time when girls were married off after their first period and expected to produce a child in their first year of marriage!?

You want to return to a time where schooling wasnt mandatory for children and they were routinely sent out to work when they were old enough?

Are you some sort of sadist?

[swaPREACH43]

@McDuff73 For your information i am not a christian and I do not believe in beating kids and forcing labor upon them. What I believe in is values in the family and I do believe that there good and bad side to atheism and religion in general. My grandfather grew up in catholic orphanages where they beat him time and time again. What we need is parental influence no matter the religion. I can talktrash about their values but I will not cause I respect many of them and for atheists...

[swaPREACH43]

@McDuff73 One of the biggest atheists started the first church of satan. Anton lavey was nothing but a coward and weirdo that talked about how it is godlike to act upon your beliefs if you are a homosexual or into beastiality. every person has bad morals to some percent it is just that you choose to SEE THE WORST IN EVERYONE CAUSE YOU ARE A COWARD THAT DISREGARDS GOOD PEOPLES BELIEFS AND DECIDES TO DEFECATE ON THEM FOR HAVEING THEIR BELIEFS THAT YOU SO PROUDLY DENY TO HAVE!

[McDuff73]

@swaPREACH43 How exactly am I a coward?

I have no truck with people and their religious beliefs as long as I said originally they keep them to themselves in their homes their churches their mosques or temples.

[McDuff73]

@swaPREACH43 I didnt realise there was a sliding scale of athieism I thought it was fairly black and white!?

You either beleive in a god or you dont.

And how exactly am I a coward?

I disregard peoples beliefs and deeds that feel they need to crow about them claiming they are the work of their god, as I have said previously celebrate and worship your god to your hearts content but do it in your home or your churches or mosques etc... but it has no place in a modern society.

[LovedbcHim]

@McDuff73 I don't believe in doing things either in the name of God either. I am a Christian. Not saying Christians are perfect, but we are commanded to talk about God not just in church or our homes. That's a part of our belief's. Freedom of religion is what this country is founded on. Sorry I got in the middle of the conversation though. Just thought I'd say something.

[McDuff73]

@LovedbcHim I believe your constitution only protects your beliefs and not your practice for instance it would protect the belief of someone who is into vampirism but it does not protect their right to suck other peoples blood.

As I have said from the start you should be free to practice your religion within reason in your home your synagog, masji,church,temple etc... but not to try to indoctrinate others outside of those areas, and certainly not enforce your religious dogma into politics.

[LovedbcHim]

@McDuff73 Actually the bible commands us to spread the gospel, and yes we do have the right to practice being a Christian whereever we go. That is our religious freedom just as much as it is yours. But we just can't stuff it down people's throat if they don't feel ready to receive that, however we have the freedom to practice it. If we just kept it to ourselves, there would be no such thing as reaching out to the poor, or even reaching out to these women who are having abortions.

[LovedbcHim]

@McDuff73 There would be no one to educate women about their choices. There would be nothing to help save the mother's from having to deal with grief and shame for the rest of their lives and no one to save these babies (since this is about abortion, not so much about religion) Women are going to make their decisions, however; it would be very wrong for us to turn the cheak and not educate these women or have the chance of a life being saved because of us being willing to speak out.

[LoneIndividual]

@McDuff73

Uh...they commited SUICIDE at WAKO

And you're full of shit. Check out Wiki.

Christians fought against Hong Xiuquan as well.

AND MAO ZEDONG PRAISED HONG XIUQUAN!!! AN ATHEIST PRAISING A SOCALLED "CHRISTIAN".

Mao killed more than Hong Xiuquan. Mao was Atheist

You're a lying asshole who doesn't have his own facts right.

I theorize that nihilism came from Christians being converted to Atheists...but kept the title Christian in order to destroy religion from within.

[McDuff73]

@LoneIndividual awww now your resorting to childish name calling because I dont agree with you!

Thats awful mature of you.

Tell me did the children at Waco also decide to commit suicide in the name of their god too?

[LoneIndividual]

@McDuff73

I called you an asshole cuz of your intentions. And I highly doubt you give a shit about those children. Fewer Christians for all you care!

You seek to make others miserable like unto yourself. I just want people to be free from tyrants to try to hijack people's lives...even through religion. Christ is the only King, I will accept none other. American Christianity is the only reason why you Atheists are free in America. In the Middle East, you'd all be dead without trial.

[McDuff73]

@LoneIndividual good god you dont half talk shite.

I work in social care looking after children so your wrong about me 'not giving a shit about kids'

I dont want anyone miserable and I am far from miserable myself I have my family and my health thats a winning combination already.

Religion is a tyrant your just so indoctrinated you cant see it, you will be free once you break the bonds of religion!

[LoneIndividual]

@McDuff73

Before you ever retort with "break the bonds of religion", I really want you to read the works of FREDRICK NIETSCHE, the famous NIHLIST who is the epitome of everything that lacks "religion".

Religion is a cause. It isn't an opiate.

Entertainment is a distraction. It is an opiate.

KARL MARX LIED. Marx was a Nihlist. He favored PERPETUAL ANARCHY (aka never ending revolution/war/death).

ps: tyrants are people who horde and abuse power. Organizations are merely tools.

[McDuff73]

@LoneIndividual what makes you think I havent already?

[LoneIndividual]

@McDuff73

Only a useful idiot would read the work of Karl and Fred and go along exactly with what they said, not thinking to question their actual motives as much as they questioned the motives of religious and political figures.

That's what makes me think you haven't read their work....that or you really are a useful idiot that buys into Socialism or Capitalism.

Both systems of economics are ponzi schemes. Neither are truly free market.

[McDuff73]

@LoneIndividual who says I agree with either!?

[LoneIndividual]

@McDuff73

So you're both an atheist and an anarchist....yes?

[McDuff73]

@LoneIndividual I would class myself as neither and both but its irrelevant what I class myself as its still doesnt give anyone religious the right to enforce their unprovable mythology on me or anyone else.

[LoneIndividual]

@McDuff73

Bad news for ya.

Everyone has an Agenda, even you.

There's what I believe and then there are the THREE FALSE GODS that Quasi-Atheists devote to.

It's all about immortality. Apparently there are not enough Nihilists in the world.

Cannibalism - (consuming people and the fruit of their labor....communism and surprisingly capitalism to a lesser degree)

Evolution - (Breeding the master race via purity or diversification)

Information - (Artificial Intelligence and the Hive Mind)

[McDuff73]

@LoneIndividual honestly your just talking pants now.

But hey I expect that of someone who is devoutly religious and has no actually understanding of the real world.

Its fear that causes you to hide behind your religion, fear of the unknown.

[swaPREACH43]

@LoneIndividual Your right but watch waco:the rules of engagement. they didn't commit suicide. And for Mcduff he is just another asshole.

[LovedbcHim]

@LoneIndividual I can say I dis-agree. Most Christian's who turn away from God don't even call themselves Christian's anymore. Their to busy blaming God for their pain to even think that way.

[LoneIndividual]

@LovedbcHim

Blaming God or scheming to usurp his throne...even simply going Nihilistic and enjoying it like a classical Sadist would.

Ravening wolves for the most part. If their disgruntled irreligion causes them to be stalwart in the cause of righteousness through love rather than force....I call them the sheepdogs of the flock...though they are a step short of being Shepherds themselves.

[LoneIndividual]

@McDuff73

"Hong Xiuquan claimed that the illness he had following his imperial examinations was in fact a vision to the effect that he was the younger brother of Jesus,[3] who was sent to rid China of the corrupt Manchu Qing Dynasty rulers. After this alleged vision, he felt it was his duty to spread Christianity (in the form that he developed) and overthrow the foreign rule of the Qing."

liars should burn in hell

[McDuff73]

@LoneIndividual so you are allowed to decide who is a true convert and who isnt?

I thought it was your gods job to judge people not other people!?

[LoneIndividual]

@McDuff73

dumbass.

2 Nephi 4:34

emphasis on 2 Nephi 2

I respect the individual while I am a Christian. Any who do not (hitler) are not True Christians. I stand by principle, not persons.

[swaPREACH43]

@LoneIndividual 66 million christians murdered during the bolshevik reign of europe. Any christians found with religious christian belongings were to be shot on site. that should be in the history books.

[LoneIndividual]

@McDuff73

"what is it with all these religious nutbags that think they have a right to enforce their mythology on the rest of the world?"

Yeah, what's up with those Communists?

LOL I'm a Constitutionalist. I agree that the power of Government needs to be mitigated so that all tyrants of belief or the lack thereof will stay out of people's lives.

[McDuff73]

@LoneIndividual why do you associate a lack of religion with communism are you still living in the 50s?

[KnightOwl2006]

Charlton is correct.

[suppersonic12]

lets get out of the pews and pulpits,balls up,and protest against this evil that is going to send this country down into damnation if she dosen't repent..we the church goers are also to blame for allowing femminist to get their way...i also notice hundreds of thousands of veiwers will watch popular preachers but hardly any veiwers on abortion procedures.

[subsamadhi]

@suppersonic12 yeah those damn feminists who want to control their bodies and keep their right to choose against you fascist homophobic anus hairs. Damn them all to hell!!!

[GloriaC333]

all i can is people would rather spend 500 to 1000 dollars on an abortion but cant spend 3 dollars for a box of condoms...

no logic

the least of everyone worry should be pregnancy but on stds

[publicpreaching]

Thanks for sharing this. I want to challenge my other street-preaching friends to watch videos like this as well as The Apologetics Group's upcoming video "The Abortion Matrix" to educate themselves on this issue and then take the fire of the Lord's heart as regards our modern "massacre of the innocents" as well as the fire of His anger at those who shed innocent blood to the streets and PROCLAIM IT BOLDLY FROM THE STREETS. Amen!

[broimp]

The point is absolutely sound. As a recent visitor to Dachau, I can affirm that there is no excuse, no justification whatsoever for not knowing. We must see what we have legislated, what we have approved. Thank you for opening our eyes Dr. Nathanson.

[brdonaldson]

It's never been about choice. It's about women being "god" and deciding whether what's growing inside of them is a human being or trash. With one word they are "god." If they say, "I want it" *poof* it's a child. If they say, "I don't want it" suddenly it's disposable. That's not "choice" that's godhood.

[lauriepoo86]

i agree entirely! well said!

[KnightOwl2006]

@brdonaldson  You nailed it. Bravo.

[jackhoogendyk]

to redlion83. You seem rather angry. Why can't you be civil? My question to you is, If this exact same text were read by a woman, would it change anything? The answer is NO. The truth is there, regardless of who the messenger is.

[redlion83]

Must be so nice to have a DICK instead of a VAGINA, with a uterus which enables pregnancy. So nice to judge from a male point of view. If men could GET pregnant abortion would be legal everywhere---THAT IS TRUTH. So nice to judge others where no one else should be included. If you are Pro-life then do something about the broken foster care system in the US. Give the children who are not wanted a chance..but you wont because that child is someone elses problem.

[Synth3t1cs]

The uncomfortable truth here is simple. One of the best ways to stop abortion is through the use of birth control. Human beings are built with a natural desire for sex. No amount of religious intervention is going to completely solve the problem. Christians know this is true. Abistenence may be the best policy for the unmarried but not everyone will embrace the idea. Why not cover all your bases? I'm just saying...

[johnemo20]

Birth Control and abortion lead to the same result.. the end of a life. One doesn't allow it to begin the womb the other doesn't let it out.

[lucifersmile]

you people are monsters.

[dukeoversteer]

Hats off to you Mr Heston. God bless you.

[poynterch]

Excellent work! Go for it!

[Toribus]

Superb upload. Hope this video gets a billion views.

[newdroogs]

C'mon Moses! so true!

How do we have to replace this great man?

[jmrepublican]

Charlton Heston, still fighting liberals even from the grave! Thanks, VorthosForum, for posting this video!