I have great respect for O'Sensei Ueshiba and I greatly admire the art of Aikido. I'm 50 years old now and took up martial arts during the original martial arts craze (in North America anyway) of the 1970's and admire the the martial arts in general. I do however believe that when we watch these demos, we're watching respectful Japanese students taking the fall for their master; it's something i would naturally expect, nothing wrong with that.
yes... it does look like that, but as a student myself, we're not taking the fall... the fall is set up in the attack, what these techniques would look like if the attack is done in a less deliberate way is like spiral fractures, broken arms, concussions, wrists being sprained/broken, and not alot of happy students, and O sensei was very good at luring in the attacker and throwing him basically effortlessly, he made it look like a dance, intentionally because of the ban on violent martial arts.
yes i agree. furthermore, when you execute an aikido move with ki it becomes effortless. something i can't yet achieve every time but when i do it is a great feeling.
Very true. I've heard of training incidents in aikido where people have torn the ligaments in their wrists. Sounds pretty effective on a resisting opponent. Ueshiba developed a very brilliant art.
@ssbmpalyer2010 I've seen incidents where people have torn ligaments walking up some stairs. You are much more likely to tear something if you are relaxed and the person takes the lock too far. If you resist, it gives you an opportunity to get out, if you can't get out, then you will probably tear or break something. But, it should be known that every move has an escape and someone with grappling knowledge would be able to negate most of the Aikido techniques.
Claims for ki/chi have been debunked many times. Admittedly this isn't easy because those who demo their "ki powers" are always reluctant to have them tested under watchful scrutiny. Google James Randi, magician and debunker as he has exposed ki masters, supernaturalists and other fraudsters. Ueshiba's demos of ki projection where guys go flying when he waves his hands are nothing but fraud. Check out (watch?v=bCjySZuVDkQ&feature=related). Do you really expect me to believe that?
I have seen that vid before...yeah ok its a crap, Ueshiba a 80year old master of martial art, just want to look good before cameras so he told his students to fly over tatami when he wave hands...:-D hmm how does it sound to you? What motivation could have an 80year-old master to pretend things like that? And it not fame, that is something i know for sure... Im not expecting anything from u i must admitt that itlooks unbelieveble...but but but
but but try think about this one: One man spent >60 years of practising...60years!!DO you know some man that spent so much time day by day concentrated on doing one certain thing? That is for me more impossible that that video..I believe if a man could concentrate so long and so hard on one certain thing he would be able to do some amazing things that other people would not be able even to understand. >60years man!!!...surething i wont be living as long as he trained :-))
Depends on what you mean by ki. If you mean some weird force then yeah, ok that's bollocks. If you mean a well structured body that can seemingly produce power from no where such that it looks like some weird force, then no.
PLEASE show some respect not only for Master Ueshiba Morihei & his followers but also for people in general. Isn't it obvious by now that people need all sorts of different techniques and spiritual paths? Why does anyone have to convince others that his path is the "right" one? And even deeper, why does anyone have to ridicule someone else's believes to make his believes stand?
You aikido people are all so terribly deluded. This Ueshiba fellow (admittedly a nice guy) would get destroyed (at any stage of his game) by one of todays better MMA fighters. Aikido is not nearly as effective as so many of you are brainwashed to think... Oh and BTW... Ki is a figment of fertile imaginations. Don't mean to insult here but TRUTH is my defense. If you believe otherwise prove science wrong. Jame Randi offers a million $ to prove the existance of such mystical powers.
Hmmm... your comment reminds me of a quote from Sugata Sanshiro (a.k.a. Judo Saga). In the traditional Japanese arts, people with your mindset wouldn't even be allowed to train with anyone: "Teaching budo to a person without humanity is like giving a knife to a lunatic". Any lunatic can knife someone to death and call it a martial art. The question is, can you also achieve spiritual enlightenment and act in the right way at the right moment? That's martial art, and it requires years of training.
You beg the issue. You havn't established any truths as yet about "budo" but you are already making proclamations for it's "spritual enlightenment". Well 'reason' is my only absolute. I simply question the claims made for aikido and it's teachers. I think they are grossly exagerated. As for the claims made for ki... prove objectively using the rigors of scientific scrutany. Then you will be believed.
fought in real combat enemy with weapons and nobody beat him.
If you want references on books let me know.
P.S. Ueshiba Morihei is considered greater than Kano or Funakoshi (if you have any clue who they are).
Above mentioned is general opinion. Personally I am not Aikido fan cause I practise MMA but I know that Morihei was unique like Oyama (if you know who he was)
Do you know how much BS is tossed around concerning legends and folk heros? Any storys about fights in battle are just storys. Tall tales must be supported by PROOF.
"Ueshiba Morihei is considered" considered by whom? his loyal followers? Has he any recorded/documented matches with anyone other than the marionettes that toss themselves around?
yes. He had many matches with many of the high ranking masters of his day. MANY. Masters and practicioners of judo, karate, juijitsu... don't put down someone when you have no idea who they are or what they've done. you just make yourself look stupid.
Who is putting anyone down? Just because I don't believe he was the superman that some of his followers proclaim? There is an unfortunate tendency in martial arts to over worship teachers (even the name O sensei smacks of personality cultism). This results in exaggeration and hyperbole. "Matches with high ranking masters"?, - where are the vids?. The guy WAS amazing at his craft, but watch the today's best MMAs. Sorry but aikido "masters" would simply get destroyed by todays better MMAs.
Again, wrong. Do you really think that in the 1940's everyone just carried around video camera's everywhere? The matches O'sensei was involved in are documented in WRITING. sorry but thats as good as it got at the time. And, did you know. That MIXED martial arts is a new term? But the CONCEPT is FAR from new? Every great master from japan or china or korea, or any of the great masters you have ever heard of, almost all of them, had trained in atleast 3 different Martial Artis.
And it was usually more like 5-7. So you really think a man who had trained for lets say 70'ish years in MANY different fighting styles, versus your precious "MMA" fighters with maybe 5-10 years of experience would get his butt kicked? If you think that, then I' am not the one with the narow minded views my friend. YOU are.
Never said you had a narrow mind. I question aikido's effectiveness in in todays' mma (as no one in MMA uses pure aikido) and I'm certainly not alone in that view. Never said Ueshiba wasn't good, only that eastern MA grossly exaggerates the prowess of it's teachers, which is normal in human psychology. In virtually every field of human endeaver todays' practitioners are bigger, stronger, faster and yes better than in the past and yes O'sensei would lose in today's MMA.
O'sensei was a tiny little old man few years before his death, but his spirit was never been greater. Constant training over 60years allowed him to understand sequences that are beyond our imagination. And its a pitty that he had no time left to write a book about it(or he dint want to :-))-so as Musashi did. Damn!He is a legend now,and legend could be compared to another legend only. You are fool if u cant admit this...
Nope, I am not a fool and neither are you but you are captured by personality cultism. I am NOT saying that he made no contribution, he obviously made an impact on many people but the mysticism he taught does not impress me. I prefer science and reason as a guide to living. As is ALWAYS the case when examined close up our heros are never quite the gods we make them into.
me and personality cultism?-well,think about this: a man that day by day practise his KI(whether you believe its a biological principe or inner power) over 60years--he could discover something truly amazing.your attitude of non believing is based on this scheme: If such amazing skill would ever exist the man who rule this skill will be wellknown-but what if this man didnt care about fame and his ego?"how can u say something is impossible,when u have not even tried it?" -M.Ueshiba
Nope, I am not a fool and neither are you but you are captured by personality cultism. I am NOT saying that he made no contribution, he obviously made an impact on many people but the mysticism he taught does not impress me. I prefer science and reason as a guide to living. As is ALWAYS the case when examined close up our heros are never quite the gods we make them into.
Can jion your groupy? anyway lay off the oldman, whats wrong with having an idol,millions of people do it, i mean just look at these greats, hitler, the pope, the beattles, the dalai lama, jesus, bush, why not o sensee he seems harmless enough, he is not about to send my kid to the gas chamber,perform sexual favors,do drugs, join a monastary, not see the 75 virgins, or fight a war, o sensee can baby sit may kid anyday. ps. dont spell check me becouce haf of u.s. is as stupid as me
Ah here we go again with the "Effective" Martial Art debate. What IS a MARTIAL Art? TOO big of a question for such a limited comment section to be sure, however I CAN tell you THIS: Japanese Calligraphy, Sword-Making, and Tea ceremony are all martial arts as well. Would you consider any of these "effective"???
If you believe that true BUDO is just about kicking someone's ass, you have completely missed the point of martial arts. I suggest finding a reputable dojo and getting some honor.
Domo arigato for your your comment setsura12. I have had this conversation with several people online. It is silly to argue in a typed forum over things that must be experienced in person.
Anyone who posts a disrespectful comment here shows his true colors and obviously is not a certified trained individual but a sad lonely person who has a belt rank in stupedity
As to those still arguing this point (in the face of several million Aikido-ka and other martial artists, all of whom hold Aikido and it's founder in the highest regard): Would any of you care to even *TRY* telling me what a 'Martial Art' actually is? More importantly: What's the difference between a Martial Art and a Fighting System/Self Defense System?
Like I said; you wouldn't know what Budo was if it kicked you in the face.
As for "WushuMaster1": 'WuShu' is the abomination of Martial Arts founded by the Red Communist government in order to avoid what happened to the Manchu Dynasty. If you're going to argue about Martial Arts, don't name yourself after a system of little more than showy Chinese Gymnastics hidden behind kicks and punches. Full respect to what WuShu is; it looks great, but a Martial Art it is not.
Aikido is a martial art and it is self defense. Aikido is also a life-long path, a way.
Aikido is not something that will be practical to use for self defense initially, but only after years and years of training.
Aikido can be slower, because its movements are from the center. In addition, an Aikidoka is not trying to beat his opponent with speed and force, so this allows for slower, relaxed movements as opposed to faster, stronger movements.
Great vid by the way. "Every time I move, that's Aikido" O Sensei once said. Not hard to see what he meant by it in that video.
Shioda Sensei once said that 'Unless Aikido looks a little bit fake it's not real Aikido.'
He founded the only competitive school of Aikido leaning back towards its Aikijujitsu origins even more than Tamaki did. You really see it here. Most of those throws are neck breaks in Aikijujitsu!
Be a very long time before we see that kind of genius again.
Aikido is a "Martial Art": Not a "Fighting Style".
If you don't like Aikido don't practice it. Leave it to Martial Artists who still care what the term 'Budo' means. You're complete, and open, lack of respect for both a major and respected system and its now legendary founder says a lot both about you and about whoever was responsible for training you in my opinion.
Then again; I suspect you're either a low grade or an arm chair martial artist.
Anyone deserving of disrespect should and will receive disrespect. Identifying a fraud like o senseless is just good practice. All he created was a legacy of mystified idiots like you willing to worship the ground he walked upon and other frauds like Tohei willing to cash in on the cult. It is you who agrees who heartedly with this clip:
watch?v=bCjySZuVDkQ&feature=related
and the other o senseless touchless KO bullshit demos.
Aikido does work on the street. It is, however, effective because it is a complete surprise. By the time you know something is wrong you're already off balance and the fight is, for all purposes, over. In competition any attacker knows you're trained and acts accordingly.
Bruce Lee openly stated that O Sensei was the greatest martial artist of the last century. Argue with him why don't you?
This argument gets older and older. O Sensei knew well what combat entailed: he was an 8th Dan in Aikijujitsu -(I sincerely doubt you've heard of it tjfnee88 so look it up before replying please)- he came to believe that use of Aikijujitsu was a violation of it's own underlying Budo: that the duty of a martial artist is to protect everyone, the fool attacking you as much as yourself. That belief bore Aikido.
This is a rediculous discussion for anyone who calls himself a martial artist. You don't see much Aikido in UFC/MMA because if you practice Aikido, you probably aren't interested in the sport of UFC/MMA.
The key to Aikido is this: for every way that you are strong (e.g., throwing a punch) you also simultaneously weaking yourself in other ways. Aikido exploits these weaknesses and, as such, doesn't need much brute strength to be effective.
Well then, I guess it was also fortunate for Yang the Invincible that he never had to face any of your real martial artists. Thanks for setting us all straight.
I was thinking. If we could watch a film of Yang, Lu Chan ("Yang the Invincible")doing a Tai Chi Chuan form,we might decide, on that basis, that he certainly knew nothing of "real fighting".
Ueshiba was a top ju-jitsu practioner in early 20th century Japan. He was also a legendary swordsman,and taught combat to the Japanese military.We must assume that he knew something about "real fighting". Aikido wasn't designed for the UFC. And UFC mixed martial arts was not designed for an early 20th century Chinese death match.
"Aikido wasn't designed for the UFC" Obviously not considering the UFC was stared only 14 years ago, but mixed martial art fighting has been around for a lot longer that Aikido. Are you saying that Aikido techniques won't work in sport fighting?
Not at all, just that Ueshiba's art was not taught as a competitive sport. There is a competitive sport Aikido that Tomiki Sensei developed, however. Just a response to the constant trash talking that Aikido is subjected to in the comments. Authentic high level Aikido is amazing. I spent some years studying under one of Ueshiba's in house students and find it disturbing to see some of the comments.
Then how do you explain that Aikido is NOT used effectively in sport fighting? I understand that the underlying principle of Aikido is one of peace and avoiding fights, but I would have thought that SOMEONE would use it in MMA - if it were effective.
Avoiding the fight is also avoiding the impact/strike, as with a "soft block", which is any time you move inside or outside or under or over a strike or grab or kick etc. That is done constantly in sport fighting, and if it agrees with the principle of avoidance, it is Aiki. There are strikes in Aikido, and kicks(atemi). If you move inside(avoid) a punch, hit the guy in the face, and continue with a hip throw it's Aiki.If it agrees with the principles it's Aikido.
I understand that there are many overlapping techniques in a lot of styles, but if the guy doing the move has never trained in Aikido, he is not doing Aikido. That would be like calling a Karate guy a boxer because he threw a punch.
"UFC mixed martial arts was not designed for an early 20th century Chinese death match." That is exactly true, because those "death" matches never existed except in the minds of anime loving mystical losers like yourself. O Senseless was a senile, angry old prick who wanted self-worship more than any other thing. Aikido is useless.
Its crazy... do we know how old he is at the time of the recording of the video? Because for a old man, he moves very very well. Certainly, I think his techniques would be a lot sharper when he was younger but I'm pretty sure he can take me down EASY~~ Thanks for the clip
There is no single art which claim superiority against all forms of fighting rather then that one choose the road to self improvement which includes several arts which may help remove unnecessary physical,mental and spiritual barriers. In truth we are fighting ourselves and most hope not to be deceived or defeated.
Actually, yes there are forms that are superior. A person trains in a martial arts for the techniques; and those techniques should be useful and realistic. If they are not, the art is NOT "martial", but something else. Take aikido; not practical, not useful, not reality, so therefore not "martial"; it is more properly classifed as "bullshit" and "cultist". Aikido is routinely owned by most other martial arts including MCkwando.
Every person i know, who practises aikido has got the balls to proove his words, unlike you, you little dipshit. All you do is sit comfortably behind the screen yapping about this and that and you can't back your words up with actions. With no actual experience whatsoever, and suddenly you think you're gangsta and all that. Makes me sick. It's fuckin weak dude...
Wow tjfnee88, I see your criticisms on almost every aikido thread I look at. I find it very unusual for someone who has had no experience in something to have such a burning zeal against it. Would you please tell us your reasoning for spending so much time criticising on the web and such little time making any kind of a meaningful contribution to martial arts in general?
you have no idea what my "contribution" is, although I don't feel compelled in any way to make a contribution. I comment on all this aikido BS because it is fraud and you moron aikido cultists follow it blindly. When I hear dissenting voices told they don't know this or that because they haven't experienced aikido and "real life" fights, I jump right in. Also, as long as you losers make ridiculous claims, I'll be here to challange them.
I fight BJJ practitioners also and have experience in it. I use Aiki when I fight but I usually finish with practical BJJ. Aiki helps me control the elbows and weight of heavier guys stand up and on ground.Judo helps me (footsweeps) when the action is stalled. Aiki helps with redirecting the opponent. I see many BJJ fighters using Aiki and Judo in MMA - you'll eventually need to learn these arts or end up being way to predictable.
I agree judo is excellent and an actual combat sport. I see no redeeming value in Aikido. All these idiots that follow o senshit like a god are just cultist morons. Sorry man, but I don't know any bjj or judo guys that use it or practice it; although I know many guys who came over from it. They all say it was complete shit.
Ive done aikido for about 6 months now, 3 days a week. I do tai chi and have done muay thai.
Aikido is a budo art. Its a lifestyle, not just a form of defence. This is for people who look for more than just refining the art of smashing your opponent.
Its a philosophy, and an art. As for defence, I think it is excellent, it is a very devestating art, you can play with it very easily once you have the basics grasped, but aikido is about not fighting your opponent.
More aikido "wisdom" from a complete moron. If it is not about "fighting" your opponent, then you would just run away or sit there and let him pound on you while you plead for your life. Sorry dude, this is demonstrating fighting, not the art of "not fighting your opponent". Just another bullshit, nonsense explanation for aikido cultists. You guys should find a nice comet to ride off the planet.
sorry, but grappling is the most basic form of combat. It also remains, to this day, the most effective. I disagree completely with the allegation that aikido has combat applications. I also doubt entirely the claims that o sensei here could do any of this crap if his students actually resisted. Most of this stuff is just play acting, sorry man.
Aiki who practice and have only practiced Aikido. You can not debate an Aikidoka's effectivness against a UFC fighter. Before any Aiki enter a UFC match they need more diverse training. The same way a UFC fighter attemtpting to defend against a knife would need diverse training. Everyone should see there is no discussion. Advanced boxer > Novice Aikidoka.Advanced Aikidoka > novice Karateka.Better Judoka > novice boxer etc.
Diversity is key but self improvmt is much more than techniques.
That is true nat4dai, that is the fundamental principal behind mma fighters. Study the basics of grappling, boxing, kicking to be prepared for all scenarios. Stay away from "demo" and fanciful styles like aikido that are without merit.
Uhh, sorry guys, but this is total bullshit. Aikido is just a sham; all the students play act for the teacher (here it is O-senseless). How could it take "years of study" to learn something that was basically created in a few days? If I'm kicking your ass 13penguins, for whatever reason, your Aikido isn't somehow going to magically teach me the "mistake of even fighting". Total bullshit.
Come on over here to Japan and show me that it's bullshit dude. I'll make a believer outa you real quick, just by smashing you all over the mat. You have no clue what you're talking about.
I heard a great quote I think applies: "don't have strong opinions about subjects you know little about". Nice huh? I hate these idiots that ramble about how their martial arts is the best. Go have a peeing contest and get it over with.
Be pretty Impossible to lock and throw a TRAINED fighter that holds stance and pulls back after strikes. Would love to see any of these moves used on a boxer fighting cautiously.
Nevertheless, I respect other's art and know their purpose isn't always striking your opponent out.
fools many of the top fighters in the ufc and k1 have some akido training bass rutten has a video called street akido i recall he beat the hell out of frank shamrock akido varys on the individual yes the point is to avoid fighting but the techniques cannot be denied in a street mugging they will try to shoot you stab u and rob you not engage in a 10 minute grabbling contest thats were akido works i have used it
thats a dumb comment most of the top ufc fighters have akido training aswell as jujitsu bas rutten kicked frank sham rocks ass and he has a blackbelt in akido the throws in judo and akido have been proved many times in pride and ufc
Which Akido move did Bas use?... The whole "he does this art and kicks ass" concept is by far dumber than any comments posted here.
"throws in judo and akido have been proved many times in pride and ufc"??
Which UFC and Pride are you watching? Jujistu is far different from Akido or Judo, in terms of applying in MMA. Train just Akido with a striking art and enter a MMA match, then tell me all about it from the hosiptal bed.
Marcusorilius... The spirituality taught in proper aikido is about teaching your opponent the mistake of even fighting. Competitive fighters don't learn Aikido because it takes forever to learn even the most basic principles of it. Aikido changes the entire way you approach a fight and hopefully will allow both combatants to leave the confrontation uninjured. I've only learned the basics and I'm amazed at the combination of strength and gentilness.
Now throw TKD into that mix and you would have a trio of the most useless fighting martial arts there are. Nah, for fighting I will stick with BJJ, Maui Tai, Judo, and wrestling, and I will keep Aikido, Kung Fu and TKD for entertainment in the movies.
"As for any fool putting Aikido down obviously you have not got a clue"
I guess that all the World's top mixed marital art fighters are clueless as none of them train in Aikido? The proof is in the results, not theory.
They are clueless, regarding the way of Aikido. To smash and destroy your opponent is relatively easy, and I'm sure that those fighters have mastered that. Aikido is about moving in harmony with the principles of the universe, protecting both your opponent and yourself from serious injury.
dont get my wrong i dont think any martail art style is useless and i very sure aikido is powerful in its own way, but has a well trained shotokan karate student i would like you guys to show me :) becasue i dought i soft martail art can beat the style of karate bronx ny, omni gym if any of you live near bye bring protection youll need it :)
It takes longer to master this art than say karate or Kungfu, but it is just as effective in a fight when it becomes second-nature. It just takes longer for it to become second nature because it goes against a person's nature to fight this way. It is more natural for a person to punch an assailant rather than react to their attack in the aikido way.
Come one guys... Look at the clip again. At the 17-second mark, he doesn't even touch the uke, and he falls to the ground. I can respect that he is REALLY OLD and is the Aikido Master, but to those that say that he was actually forcing the ukes to go down with his technique is just crap. Call it what it is - a good show of the old master going through the movements.
stop kidding yourself "grab my wrist" does not work as easy as it looks, people were going easy on the old man, you can not take anything away from young Ueshiba, but apologistic attitude of the deadly techniques that would break everything from your finger tips to your shoulder is BS
Yes dirtclump you are correct it is called "Ukemi Waza" or... the art of recieving. To protect yourself you recieve the technique as opposed to fighting the technique. It is better to recieve Kotegaeshi than to fight it, unless of course you're pretty good at Kaeshi waza... "reversing the technique.
I don't think that the uke attack like in a show. My aikido teacher says: Movement in absolutly vigilance and concentration looks like arranged movement. And i agree with rottenfuture.
the thing is tho if they did not float or "pretend" as the ignorant eye would call it then the joint he had a hold of would be broken or strained, its a safety measure.
Yes. What I see here is a man standing still and a lot of people jumping and pretending to be thrown. Looks like wrestling. Not even slightly convincing. But still a lot cooler than anything I can do.
He was very old in these video clips. I feel many of his Uke were going with him too much at this stage out of respect. The best technical aikido he was doing was shot about 10 years earlier, when he was in his late 50's, early 60's.
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His Lil mean ass is probably because he didn't wipe his ass.
Look at the lil mad monk spin around like a clown.
WEEEE I'm wonderman.
salishaw 2 years ago
you're an embarrassment..
Miredninja 2 years ago
Someone told me there is a video of Ueshiba taking out 6 special forces soldiers back in the 70's. Im lookin for it but havent had any luck
zcolez 2 years ago
I've heard abou that. My TKWD friend told me. They were marines and he was 70!
When you see him REALLY move, you believe that he can do it.
Cheapjack2009 2 years ago
Please let me know if you find it.
marty4379 2 years ago
@zcolez
wow!
customsnibai 1 year ago
I have great respect for O'Sensei Ueshiba and I greatly admire the art of Aikido. I'm 50 years old now and took up martial arts during the original martial arts craze (in North America anyway) of the 1970's and admire the the martial arts in general. I do however believe that when we watch these demos, we're watching respectful Japanese students taking the fall for their master; it's something i would naturally expect, nothing wrong with that.
Lambtonboy 3 years ago 3
yes... it does look like that, but as a student myself, we're not taking the fall... the fall is set up in the attack, what these techniques would look like if the attack is done in a less deliberate way is like spiral fractures, broken arms, concussions, wrists being sprained/broken, and not alot of happy students, and O sensei was very good at luring in the attacker and throwing him basically effortlessly, he made it look like a dance, intentionally because of the ban on violent martial arts.
superawesomejeff 3 years ago 11
yes i agree. furthermore, when you execute an aikido move with ki it becomes effortless. something i can't yet achieve every time but when i do it is a great feeling.
br1st3w 2 years ago
Very true. I've heard of training incidents in aikido where people have torn the ligaments in their wrists. Sounds pretty effective on a resisting opponent. Ueshiba developed a very brilliant art.
ssbmpalyer2010 2 years ago
@ssbmpalyer2010 I've seen incidents where people have torn ligaments walking up some stairs. You are much more likely to tear something if you are relaxed and the person takes the lock too far. If you resist, it gives you an opportunity to get out, if you can't get out, then you will probably tear or break something. But, it should be known that every move has an escape and someone with grappling knowledge would be able to negate most of the Aikido techniques.
sinhaserpente 1 year ago
@sinhaserpente LOL that's me.
ketsan 1 year ago
@ketsan Which bit? You tore a ligament walking up the stairs or have grappling knowledge? lol
sinhaserpente 1 year ago
That and Ueshiba apparently demonstrated one thing in public and taught another.
ketsan 3 years ago
@ketsan Shut up you're a satanist! Blacksashman said so! lol
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
"How can u say something is impossible, when u have not even tried it?" - M.Ueshiba
Think of this idea for a few minutes before posting please :-)
pietromulcho 3 years ago 5
Claims for ki/chi have been debunked many times. Admittedly this isn't easy because those who demo their "ki powers" are always reluctant to have them tested under watchful scrutiny. Google James Randi, magician and debunker as he has exposed ki masters, supernaturalists and other fraudsters. Ueshiba's demos of ki projection where guys go flying when he waves his hands are nothing but fraud. Check out (watch?v=bCjySZuVDkQ&feature=related). Do you really expect me to believe that?
sweetsweatyfeet 3 years ago
I have seen that vid before...yeah ok its a crap, Ueshiba a 80year old master of martial art, just want to look good before cameras so he told his students to fly over tatami when he wave hands...:-D hmm how does it sound to you? What motivation could have an 80year-old master to pretend things like that? And it not fame, that is something i know for sure... Im not expecting anything from u i must admitt that itlooks unbelieveble...but but but
pietromulcho 3 years ago
but but try think about this one: One man spent >60 years of practising...60years!!DO you know some man that spent so much time day by day concentrated on doing one certain thing? That is for me more impossible that that video..I believe if a man could concentrate so long and so hard on one certain thing he would be able to do some amazing things that other people would not be able even to understand. >60years man!!!...surething i wont be living as long as he trained :-))
pietromulcho 3 years ago
Depends on what you mean by ki. If you mean some weird force then yeah, ok that's bollocks. If you mean a well structured body that can seemingly produce power from no where such that it looks like some weird force, then no.
ketsan 3 years ago 6
PLEASE show some respect not only for Master Ueshiba Morihei & his followers but also for people in general. Isn't it obvious by now that people need all sorts of different techniques and spiritual paths? Why does anyone have to convince others that his path is the "right" one? And even deeper, why does anyone have to ridicule someone else's believes to make his believes stand?
Karl4242 3 years ago
It's a HUGE world with billions of people inhabiting it, let us respect differences; it make our world a much more interesting place...
Karl4242 3 years ago 2
You aikido people are all so terribly deluded. This Ueshiba fellow (admittedly a nice guy) would get destroyed (at any stage of his game) by one of todays better MMA fighters. Aikido is not nearly as effective as so many of you are brainwashed to think... Oh and BTW... Ki is a figment of fertile imaginations. Don't mean to insult here but TRUTH is my defense. If you believe otherwise prove science wrong. Jame Randi offers a million $ to prove the existance of such mystical powers.
sweetsweatyfeet 3 years ago
Yeah aha...As you wish...
Novum07 3 years ago
Hmmm... your comment reminds me of a quote from Sugata Sanshiro (a.k.a. Judo Saga). In the traditional Japanese arts, people with your mindset wouldn't even be allowed to train with anyone: "Teaching budo to a person without humanity is like giving a knife to a lunatic". Any lunatic can knife someone to death and call it a martial art. The question is, can you also achieve spiritual enlightenment and act in the right way at the right moment? That's martial art, and it requires years of training.
Ronindennis 3 years ago 2
You beg the issue. You havn't established any truths as yet about "budo" but you are already making proclamations for it's "spritual enlightenment". Well 'reason' is my only absolute. I simply question the claims made for aikido and it's teachers. I think they are grossly exagerated. As for the claims made for ki... prove objectively using the rigors of scientific scrutany. Then you will be believed.
sweetsweatyfeet 3 years ago
Dude, have some serious fun with your reason. As for budo, pick up any book that says Budo in the title. Bon voyage!
Ronindennis 3 years ago
I'll offer a million $ to disprove them.
bradchatellier 3 years ago
you should read some history to see when Ueshiba
fought in real combat enemy with weapons and nobody beat him.
If you want references on books let me know.
P.S. Ueshiba Morihei is considered greater than Kano or Funakoshi (if you have any clue who they are).
Above mentioned is general opinion. Personally I am not Aikido fan cause I practise MMA but I know that Morihei was unique like Oyama (if you know who he was)
Oss
MagyarosyMiklos 3 years ago 2
Do you know how much BS is tossed around concerning legends and folk heros? Any storys about fights in battle are just storys. Tall tales must be supported by PROOF.
"Ueshiba Morihei is considered" considered by whom? his loyal followers? Has he any recorded/documented matches with anyone other than the marionettes that toss themselves around?
sweetsweatyfeet 3 years ago
yes. He had many matches with many of the high ranking masters of his day. MANY. Masters and practicioners of judo, karate, juijitsu... don't put down someone when you have no idea who they are or what they've done. you just make yourself look stupid.
captainmo55 3 years ago
Who is putting anyone down? Just because I don't believe he was the superman that some of his followers proclaim? There is an unfortunate tendency in martial arts to over worship teachers (even the name O sensei smacks of personality cultism). This results in exaggeration and hyperbole. "Matches with high ranking masters"?, - where are the vids?. The guy WAS amazing at his craft, but watch the today's best MMAs. Sorry but aikido "masters" would simply get destroyed by todays better MMAs.
sweetsweatyfeet 3 years ago
Again, wrong. Do you really think that in the 1940's everyone just carried around video camera's everywhere? The matches O'sensei was involved in are documented in WRITING. sorry but thats as good as it got at the time. And, did you know. That MIXED martial arts is a new term? But the CONCEPT is FAR from new? Every great master from japan or china or korea, or any of the great masters you have ever heard of, almost all of them, had trained in atleast 3 different Martial Artis.
captainmo55 3 years ago
And it was usually more like 5-7. So you really think a man who had trained for lets say 70'ish years in MANY different fighting styles, versus your precious "MMA" fighters with maybe 5-10 years of experience would get his butt kicked? If you think that, then I' am not the one with the narow minded views my friend. YOU are.
captainmo55 3 years ago
Never said you had a narrow mind. I question aikido's effectiveness in in todays' mma (as no one in MMA uses pure aikido) and I'm certainly not alone in that view. Never said Ueshiba wasn't good, only that eastern MA grossly exaggerates the prowess of it's teachers, which is normal in human psychology. In virtually every field of human endeaver todays' practitioners are bigger, stronger, faster and yes better than in the past and yes O'sensei would lose in today's MMA.
sweetsweatyfeet 3 years ago
Your opinion's are your own, as are mine. Good luck to you.
captainmo55 3 years ago
O'sensei was a tiny little old man few years before his death, but his spirit was never been greater. Constant training over 60years allowed him to understand sequences that are beyond our imagination. And its a pitty that he had no time left to write a book about it(or he dint want to :-))-so as Musashi did. Damn!He is a legend now,and legend could be compared to another legend only. You are fool if u cant admit this...
pietromulcho 3 years ago
Nope, I am not a fool and neither are you but you are captured by personality cultism. I am NOT saying that he made no contribution, he obviously made an impact on many people but the mysticism he taught does not impress me. I prefer science and reason as a guide to living. As is ALWAYS the case when examined close up our heros are never quite the gods we make them into.
sweetsweatyfeet 3 years ago
me and personality cultism?-well,think about this: a man that day by day practise his KI(whether you believe its a biological principe or inner power) over 60years--he could discover something truly amazing.your attitude of non believing is based on this scheme: If such amazing skill would ever exist the man who rule this skill will be wellknown-but what if this man didnt care about fame and his ego?"how can u say something is impossible,when u have not even tried it?" -M.Ueshiba
pietromulcho 3 years ago
Nope, I am not a fool and neither are you but you are captured by personality cultism. I am NOT saying that he made no contribution, he obviously made an impact on many people but the mysticism he taught does not impress me. I prefer science and reason as a guide to living. As is ALWAYS the case when examined close up our heros are never quite the gods we make them into.
sweetsweatyfeet 3 years ago
It's a HUGE world with billions of people inhabiting it, let us respect differences; it make our world a much more interesting place...
Karl4242 3 years ago
i feel blessed to jus see o sensei in action would give anything to see in person and to train under him even for only 5 min. come on time machine
mightyyogurt 3 years ago
im right here with you on that one!!! :)
captainmo55 3 years ago
Can jion your groupy? anyway lay off the oldman, whats wrong with having an idol,millions of people do it, i mean just look at these greats, hitler, the pope, the beattles, the dalai lama, jesus, bush, why not o sensee he seems harmless enough, he is not about to send my kid to the gas chamber,perform sexual favors,do drugs, join a monastary, not see the 75 virgins, or fight a war, o sensee can baby sit may kid anyday. ps. dont spell check me becouce haf of u.s. is as stupid as me
chuchirian 3 years ago
I loved your comment!!! Peace!!!
Karl4242 3 years ago
Ah here we go again with the "Effective" Martial Art debate. What IS a MARTIAL Art? TOO big of a question for such a limited comment section to be sure, however I CAN tell you THIS: Japanese Calligraphy, Sword-Making, and Tea ceremony are all martial arts as well. Would you consider any of these "effective"???
If you believe that true BUDO is just about kicking someone's ass, you have completely missed the point of martial arts. I suggest finding a reputable dojo and getting some honor.
Deke101 4 years ago 3
that couldn't be explained any better then how you just said it domo arigoto gozi amashta (excuse my spelling)
setsura12 3 years ago
Domo arigato for your your comment setsura12. I have had this conversation with several people online. It is silly to argue in a typed forum over things that must be experienced in person.
Peace.
Deke101 3 years ago
Anyone who posts a disrespectful comment here shows his true colors and obviously is not a certified trained individual but a sad lonely person who has a belt rank in stupedity
Go play a fighting game on X Box
Ladysensei 4 years ago 2
Good for you!!! Tell them!!!
Karl4242 3 years ago
As to those still arguing this point (in the face of several million Aikido-ka and other martial artists, all of whom hold Aikido and it's founder in the highest regard): Would any of you care to even *TRY* telling me what a 'Martial Art' actually is? More importantly: What's the difference between a Martial Art and a Fighting System/Self Defense System?
Like I said; you wouldn't know what Budo was if it kicked you in the face.
Mystro84 4 years ago
As for "WushuMaster1": 'WuShu' is the abomination of Martial Arts founded by the Red Communist government in order to avoid what happened to the Manchu Dynasty. If you're going to argue about Martial Arts, don't name yourself after a system of little more than showy Chinese Gymnastics hidden behind kicks and punches. Full respect to what WuShu is; it looks great, but a Martial Art it is not.
Mystro84 4 years ago 2
my Wushu is not Communist or good for money
my Wushu is Wing Chun and Jeet Kune Do real Martial Arts
WushuMaster1 4 years ago
aikido is not martial arts not self defense
aikido is slow not good
WushuMaster1 4 years ago
wushu is not any better ive done it also and its like dancing. now days i do aikido and i find
it much more effective than
wushu espicialy against a bigger guy than u.
Meitsiownaa 4 years ago
Aikido is a martial art and it is self defense. Aikido is also a life-long path, a way.
Aikido is not something that will be practical to use for self defense initially, but only after years and years of training.
Aikido can be slower, because its movements are from the center. In addition, an Aikidoka is not trying to beat his opponent with speed and force, so this allows for slower, relaxed movements as opposed to faster, stronger movements.
yogi4peace 4 years ago 2
Great vid by the way. "Every time I move, that's Aikido" O Sensei once said. Not hard to see what he meant by it in that video.
Shioda Sensei once said that 'Unless Aikido looks a little bit fake it's not real Aikido.'
He founded the only competitive school of Aikido leaning back towards its Aikijujitsu origins even more than Tamaki did. You really see it here. Most of those throws are neck breaks in Aikijujitsu!
Be a very long time before we see that kind of genius again.
If ever.
Mystro84 4 years ago
Aikido is a "Martial Art": Not a "Fighting Style".
If you don't like Aikido don't practice it. Leave it to Martial Artists who still care what the term 'Budo' means. You're complete, and open, lack of respect for both a major and respected system and its now legendary founder says a lot both about you and about whoever was responsible for training you in my opinion.
Then again; I suspect you're either a low grade or an arm chair martial artist.
Mystro84 4 years ago
Anyone deserving of disrespect should and will receive disrespect. Identifying a fraud like o senseless is just good practice. All he created was a legacy of mystified idiots like you willing to worship the ground he walked upon and other frauds like Tohei willing to cash in on the cult. It is you who agrees who heartedly with this clip:
watch?v=bCjySZuVDkQ&feature=related
and the other o senseless touchless KO bullshit demos.
tjfnee88 4 years ago
tjfnee88 is a duesh bag so stop replying to whatever he writes.
dinobotunit 4 years ago
Another idiot pipes in from the chorus of true believers and dedicated cultists.
tjfnee88 4 years ago
Aikido does work on the street. It is, however, effective because it is a complete surprise. By the time you know something is wrong you're already off balance and the fight is, for all purposes, over. In competition any attacker knows you're trained and acts accordingly.
Bruce Lee openly stated that O Sensei was the greatest martial artist of the last century. Argue with him why don't you?
Mystro84 4 years ago 3
This argument gets older and older. O Sensei knew well what combat entailed: he was an 8th Dan in Aikijujitsu -(I sincerely doubt you've heard of it tjfnee88 so look it up before replying please)- he came to believe that use of Aikijujitsu was a violation of it's own underlying Budo: that the duty of a martial artist is to protect everyone, the fool attacking you as much as yourself. That belief bore Aikido.
Mystro84 4 years ago
This is a rediculous discussion for anyone who calls himself a martial artist. You don't see much Aikido in UFC/MMA because if you practice Aikido, you probably aren't interested in the sport of UFC/MMA.
The key to Aikido is this: for every way that you are strong (e.g., throwing a punch) you also simultaneously weaking yourself in other ways. Aikido exploits these weaknesses and, as such, doesn't need much brute strength to be effective.
Static7181 4 years ago
Well then, I guess it was also fortunate for Yang the Invincible that he never had to face any of your real martial artists. Thanks for setting us all straight.
chebacco 4 years ago
I was thinking. If we could watch a film of Yang, Lu Chan ("Yang the Invincible")doing a Tai Chi Chuan form,we might decide, on that basis, that he certainly knew nothing of "real fighting".
chebacco 4 years ago
Ueshiba was a top ju-jitsu practioner in early 20th century Japan. He was also a legendary swordsman,and taught combat to the Japanese military.We must assume that he knew something about "real fighting". Aikido wasn't designed for the UFC. And UFC mixed martial arts was not designed for an early 20th century Chinese death match.
chebacco 4 years ago
"Aikido wasn't designed for the UFC" Obviously not considering the UFC was stared only 14 years ago, but mixed martial art fighting has been around for a lot longer that Aikido. Are you saying that Aikido techniques won't work in sport fighting?
marcusorilius 4 years ago
Not at all, just that Ueshiba's art was not taught as a competitive sport. There is a competitive sport Aikido that Tomiki Sensei developed, however. Just a response to the constant trash talking that Aikido is subjected to in the comments. Authentic high level Aikido is amazing. I spent some years studying under one of Ueshiba's in house students and find it disturbing to see some of the comments.
chebacco 4 years ago
Then how do you explain that Aikido is NOT used effectively in sport fighting? I understand that the underlying principle of Aikido is one of peace and avoiding fights, but I would have thought that SOMEONE would use it in MMA - if it were effective.
marcusorilius 4 years ago
Avoiding the fight is also avoiding the impact/strike, as with a "soft block", which is any time you move inside or outside or under or over a strike or grab or kick etc. That is done constantly in sport fighting, and if it agrees with the principle of avoidance, it is Aiki. There are strikes in Aikido, and kicks(atemi). If you move inside(avoid) a punch, hit the guy in the face, and continue with a hip throw it's Aiki.If it agrees with the principles it's Aikido.
chebacco 4 years ago
I understand that there are many overlapping techniques in a lot of styles, but if the guy doing the move has never trained in Aikido, he is not doing Aikido. That would be like calling a Karate guy a boxer because he threw a punch.
marcusorilius 4 years ago
"UFC mixed martial arts was not designed for an early 20th century Chinese death match." That is exactly true, because those "death" matches never existed except in the minds of anime loving mystical losers like yourself. O Senseless was a senile, angry old prick who wanted self-worship more than any other thing. Aikido is useless.
tjfnee88 4 years ago
Its crazy... do we know how old he is at the time of the recording of the video? Because for a old man, he moves very very well. Certainly, I think his techniques would be a lot sharper when he was younger but I'm pretty sure he can take me down EASY~~ Thanks for the clip
tonyisinlove 5 years ago
We might consider that this is a demonstration of evasive movement, and not a fight.
chebacco 5 years ago
stop feeding the troll
ficklampa1 5 years ago
Your aggressive words and attitude goes against what Aikido is all about according to Ueshiba Morihei... maybe you have heard of him?
marcusorilius 5 years ago
There is no single art which claim superiority against all forms of fighting rather then that one choose the road to self improvement which includes several arts which may help remove unnecessary physical,mental and spiritual barriers. In truth we are fighting ourselves and most hope not to be deceived or defeated.
nat4dai 5 years ago
Actually, yes there are forms that are superior. A person trains in a martial arts for the techniques; and those techniques should be useful and realistic. If they are not, the art is NOT "martial", but something else. Take aikido; not practical, not useful, not reality, so therefore not "martial"; it is more properly classifed as "bullshit" and "cultist". Aikido is routinely owned by most other martial arts including MCkwando.
tjfnee88 5 years ago
Every person i know, who practises aikido has got the balls to proove his words, unlike you, you little dipshit. All you do is sit comfortably behind the screen yapping about this and that and you can't back your words up with actions. With no actual experience whatsoever, and suddenly you think you're gangsta and all that. Makes me sick. It's fuckin weak dude...
Mizernik 5 years ago
Wow tjfnee88, I see your criticisms on almost every aikido thread I look at. I find it very unusual for someone who has had no experience in something to have such a burning zeal against it. Would you please tell us your reasoning for spending so much time criticising on the web and such little time making any kind of a meaningful contribution to martial arts in general?
JGGraham 5 years ago
you have no idea what my "contribution" is, although I don't feel compelled in any way to make a contribution. I comment on all this aikido BS because it is fraud and you moron aikido cultists follow it blindly. When I hear dissenting voices told they don't know this or that because they haven't experienced aikido and "real life" fights, I jump right in. Also, as long as you losers make ridiculous claims, I'll be here to challange them.
tjfnee88 5 years ago
"...I'll be here to challange them"
OK, tjfnee88, how about a spelling competition...?
Agrotope99 3 years ago
I fight BJJ practitioners also and have experience in it. I use Aiki when I fight but I usually finish with practical BJJ. Aiki helps me control the elbows and weight of heavier guys stand up and on ground.Judo helps me (footsweeps) when the action is stalled. Aiki helps with redirecting the opponent. I see many BJJ fighters using Aiki and Judo in MMA - you'll eventually need to learn these arts or end up being way to predictable.
nat4dai 5 years ago
I agree judo is excellent and an actual combat sport. I see no redeeming value in Aikido. All these idiots that follow o senshit like a god are just cultist morons. Sorry man, but I don't know any bjj or judo guys that use it or practice it; although I know many guys who came over from it. They all say it was complete shit.
tjfnee88 5 years ago
Ive done aikido for about 6 months now, 3 days a week. I do tai chi and have done muay thai.
Aikido is a budo art. Its a lifestyle, not just a form of defence. This is for people who look for more than just refining the art of smashing your opponent.
Its a philosophy, and an art. As for defence, I think it is excellent, it is a very devestating art, you can play with it very easily once you have the basics grasped, but aikido is about not fighting your opponent.
lemonsthemelon 5 years ago
More aikido "wisdom" from a complete moron. If it is not about "fighting" your opponent, then you would just run away or sit there and let him pound on you while you plead for your life. Sorry dude, this is demonstrating fighting, not the art of "not fighting your opponent". Just another bullshit, nonsense explanation for aikido cultists. You guys should find a nice comet to ride off the planet.
tjfnee88 5 years ago
Okay, I'm convinced. Everybody's stupid except tjfnee88. Now pay attention while he rants. (Go ahead, dear.)
JiggyHo 4 years ago
tjfnee-Grappling is different than Combat.Demo styles are good for learning the movemnts of
defense,excersize\health and more. From there you migrate to more aggressive training
in either the same art extended or BJJ/MMA. Everyone can reach the same goal if they choose but in times
of non combat some people prefer a style that is less agressive.Try Aiki for a while, Im sure you'll
see it has its merit - I'm surprised myself. It does not appear this way from simple observation.
nat4dai 5 years ago
sorry, but grappling is the most basic form of combat. It also remains, to this day, the most effective. I disagree completely with the allegation that aikido has combat applications. I also doubt entirely the claims that o sensei here could do any of this crap if his students actually resisted. Most of this stuff is just play acting, sorry man.
tjfnee88 5 years ago
Aiki who practice and have only practiced Aikido. You can not debate an Aikidoka's effectivness against a UFC fighter. Before any Aiki enter a UFC match they need more diverse training. The same way a UFC fighter attemtpting to defend against a knife would need diverse training. Everyone should see there is no discussion. Advanced boxer > Novice Aikidoka.Advanced Aikidoka > novice Karateka.Better Judoka > novice boxer etc.
Diversity is key but self improvmt is much more than techniques.
nat4dai 5 years ago
That is true nat4dai, that is the fundamental principal behind mma fighters. Study the basics of grappling, boxing, kicking to be prepared for all scenarios. Stay away from "demo" and fanciful styles like aikido that are without merit.
tjfnee88 5 years ago
Uhh, sorry guys, but this is total bullshit. Aikido is just a sham; all the students play act for the teacher (here it is O-senseless). How could it take "years of study" to learn something that was basically created in a few days? If I'm kicking your ass 13penguins, for whatever reason, your Aikido isn't somehow going to magically teach me the "mistake of even fighting". Total bullshit.
tjfnee88 5 years ago
Come on over here to Japan and show me that it's bullshit dude. I'll make a believer outa you real quick, just by smashing you all over the mat. You have no clue what you're talking about.
lpiucskseyr 5 years ago
shut your big mouth internet gangsta'
coz you have no idea what you are talking about...
calling aikido bullshit and bashing o sensei aint a good idea...
greenflame18 4 years ago
I heard a great quote I think applies: "don't have strong opinions about subjects you know little about". Nice huh? I hate these idiots that ramble about how their martial arts is the best. Go have a peeing contest and get it over with.
williambriceking 5 years ago
Why is it that people don't realize that Aikido is not a sport. Any lock or throw is an actual dislocation or break. End game.
Sohei50 5 years ago
Be pretty Impossible to lock and throw a TRAINED fighter that holds stance and pulls back after strikes. Would love to see any of these moves used on a boxer fighting cautiously.
Nevertheless, I respect other's art and know their purpose isn't always striking your opponent out.
abeu 5 years ago
I'm really tired of this same old argument coming up every time someone mentions Aikido.
xscubastevex 5 years ago
fools many of the top fighters in the ufc and k1 have some akido training bass rutten has a video called street akido i recall he beat the hell out of frank shamrock akido varys on the individual yes the point is to avoid fighting but the techniques cannot be denied in a street mugging they will try to shoot you stab u and rob you not engage in a 10 minute grabbling contest thats were akido works i have used it
legendary233 5 years ago
Aikido is not a very good martial art. Any other internal style or many of the external styles will defeat an aikidoka.
pabpabmogo 5 years ago
thats a dumb comment most of the top ufc fighters have akido training aswell as jujitsu bas rutten kicked frank sham rocks ass and he has a blackbelt in akido the throws in judo and akido have been proved many times in pride and ufc
legendary233 5 years ago
Which Akido move did Bas use?... The whole "he does this art and kicks ass" concept is by far dumber than any comments posted here.
"throws in judo and akido have been proved many times in pride and ufc"??
Which UFC and Pride are you watching? Jujistu is far different from Akido or Judo, in terms of applying in MMA. Train just Akido with a striking art and enter a MMA match, then tell me all about it from the hosiptal bed.
abeu 5 years ago
Yeah, I agree with you 13Penguins.
akhoi 5 years ago
Marcusorilius... The spirituality taught in proper aikido is about teaching your opponent the mistake of even fighting. Competitive fighters don't learn Aikido because it takes forever to learn even the most basic principles of it. Aikido changes the entire way you approach a fight and hopefully will allow both combatants to leave the confrontation uninjured. I've only learned the basics and I'm amazed at the combination of strength and gentilness.
13Penguins 5 years ago
"Aikido & Wing Chun"
Now throw TKD into that mix and you would have a trio of the most useless fighting martial arts there are. Nah, for fighting I will stick with BJJ, Maui Tai, Judo, and wrestling, and I will keep Aikido, Kung Fu and TKD for entertainment in the movies.
"As for any fool putting Aikido down obviously you have not got a clue"
I guess that all the World's top mixed marital art fighters are clueless as none of them train in Aikido? The proof is in the results, not theory.
marcusorilius 5 years ago
They are clueless, regarding the way of Aikido. To smash and destroy your opponent is relatively easy, and I'm sure that those fighters have mastered that. Aikido is about moving in harmony with the principles of the universe, protecting both your opponent and yourself from serious injury.
waynie11 5 years ago
Aikido is meant for self defense, not sparring. If you have enough time to get ready for a fight then you shouldnt be fighting.
linneau 5 years ago
"Real fight has a lunatic psycho charging you...which is when aikido works its charm"
I agree - Aikido would only be effective against untrained hooligans, not other martial artists :P
marcusorilius 5 years ago
dont get my wrong i dont think any martail art style is useless and i very sure aikido is powerful in its own way, but has a well trained shotokan karate student i would like you guys to show me :) becasue i dought i soft martail art can beat the style of karate bronx ny, omni gym if any of you live near bye bring protection youll need it :)
tom1young2goo 5 years ago
It takes longer to master this art than say karate or Kungfu, but it is just as effective in a fight when it becomes second-nature. It just takes longer for it to become second nature because it goes against a person's nature to fight this way. It is more natural for a person to punch an assailant rather than react to their attack in the aikido way.
aikizaph 5 years ago
You comment makes sense. I can see this being useful for learning movement and redirection of an opponent's body - good points.
marcusorilius 5 years ago
Come one guys... Look at the clip again. At the 17-second mark, he doesn't even touch the uke, and he falls to the ground. I can respect that he is REALLY OLD and is the Aikido Master, but to those that say that he was actually forcing the ukes to go down with his technique is just crap. Call it what it is - a good show of the old master going through the movements.
marcusorilius 5 years ago
you are an idiot.
Aikidoka2 5 years ago
Ohh - you really got me there! Great argument - That really showed me!
It is interesting that someone with nothing intelligent to say always resorts to childish insults. You must the pride and joy of your Aikido teacher.
marcusorilius 5 years ago
Sensei! Bow...
rastaman 5 years ago
stop kidding yourself "grab my wrist" does not work as easy as it looks, people were going easy on the old man, you can not take anything away from young Ueshiba, but apologistic attitude of the deadly techniques that would break everything from your finger tips to your shoulder is BS
Neko687 5 years ago
Yes dirtclump you are correct it is called "Ukemi Waza" or... the art of recieving. To protect yourself you recieve the technique as opposed to fighting the technique. It is better to recieve Kotegaeshi than to fight it, unless of course you're pretty good at Kaeshi waza... "reversing the technique.
aikinage 5 years ago
which i'm not too good at yet. so i tend to just go with it :P
captainmo55 3 years ago
I don't think that the uke attack like in a show. My aikido teacher says: Movement in absolutly vigilance and concentration looks like arranged movement. And i agree with rottenfuture.
jadelux 5 years ago
the thing is tho if they did not float or "pretend" as the ignorant eye would call it then the joint he had a hold of would be broken or strained, its a safety measure.
rottenfuture 5 years ago
Yes. What I see here is a man standing still and a lot of people jumping and pretending to be thrown. Looks like wrestling. Not even slightly convincing. But still a lot cooler than anything I can do.
KingPelvis 5 years ago
you are an idiot.
Aikidoka2 5 years ago
He was very old in these video clips. I feel many of his Uke were going with him too much at this stage out of respect. The best technical aikido he was doing was shot about 10 years earlier, when he was in his late 50's, early 60's.
manofaiki 5 years ago
Grainy video, but awesome to see the invincible warrior in action
Blindsman 5 years ago
"Kick anybody's ass with Aiki love." That quote is priceless!!! Thank you!
bewbtewb 6 years ago
The master himself!!!
Kondo 6 years ago
ah Ueshiba. The fastest fighter I've ever seen
IsamashiiX 6 years ago