Christ and Serapis (a short response to Rebel Alliance Media)

[inikoable]

I posted my response to your video in a short video entilted "Short response to @dcbama3209" look for it...

[BashuUp]

HaHaHaHaHa. enjoy the search...

[talktoyourmamma1]

Serapis = later Greek version of ancient Egyptian resurrection deity Osiris. Most of the jesus story motifs (including virgin birth, violent death, 3 day entombment, resurrection, and afterlife judgement) are found in the myths, pyramid texts, and ancient rituals involving Osiris, Isis, and Horus.

These can be found to predate Christianity, and even Judaism, by a couple millennia. Jesus followers refuse to accept they worship a borrowed concept

[HeruTutankhamun]

Black folks lets use logic. Now have we found 1 dead body of any main characters out of the bible?..NO. No Moses, No Abraham, No Noah, No Mary , No Joseph = No Jesus.

Its 2011 and we find dinosaur bones and Egyptian mummies who are thousand of yrs old all the time but yet we have not Jesus and his crew bodies. Wake up black folks. White folks made this story up and forced it down upon us when we were slaves. We already had a relationship with the Creator thousands of yrs ago.

[rms16006]

@HeruTutankhamun No offense but that is the most absurd analogy I have ever heard. Lets remove headstones from a cemetery and wait 400 years and tell you to find a specific named persons body ? EXACTLY you cannot. Besides YESHUA aka Jesus in english rose from the dead so you wont find his body, but you know this already right?

[HeruTutankhamun]

@rms16006 The only offense is you as you can't prove scientifically how a dead body got back up and floated back to outer space without a space suit nor a space craft. Show me a body of Moses, Noah, Isaiah, Jacob, Joseph, Mary, Mary Magdalene, 12 Disciples, David, Solomon and list goes on and on. And what happened to all the animals on Noah's boat? Were are fossil remains of them. Imagine 2 of every single creature on Earth including the Blue Whale trapped in a boat!...LMAO

[ososeff]

thank you ray haggins. for chrisna of india was also called a christ and the christians stole the story of christna who was crusefied between two thieves and said yashua was. thanks to constantine we have a lot of crap to keep us happy and bewildered

all african stories has been changed to create new ones I wonder a thousand years from will people still be looking for so second comming when there never was a first

[safetyscrewmarket]

What was the entire video about? Things can often be taken out of context by just quoting one liners. This is often done with the Bible also. Pastors often quote Malachi 3:8 to encourage members to give tithe and offerings. They never mention Malachi 2:1 which states that the comment was directed at the priest only. I will watch the full video to see what dr hagins is getting at here. Thanks!

[kofi7777]

There has never been a jesus, all that is a story drawn up by whites. I am not trying to be RACIST but it is the truth. Blacks in particular has been lied to big time. I mean big time. Also Hagin was correct as has others, Seraphis and the mutant jesus are one in the same. They both are just plain old fakes.

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

@kofi7777 Haggins certainly never demonstrated that "Serapis and Jesus are one in the same," and, with all due respect, nor have you. One should present some actual evidence for the claim.

[kofi7777]

@AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee An author by the name of Walter William out of Chicago has a standing monetary challegne of $10,000 if you or anyone else can prove that this characters actually walked the earth. His world acclaimed publication "The Historical Origin of Christainity" contains such an eloquent work on the subject with countless outhers. Also with the field work I and others have done in that land for 3 decades stands to support the same. Both are used in elementary schools here in Chicago.

[shiest13]

@kofi7777 i just finished reading Walter William's book the Historical Origin of Christianity and it was the most profound book I have ever read and this brother has changed my outlook on religion and I thank him so much. "There has never been a man that ever walked the earth in human form of any race, creed or color by the name of jesus christ" He proved that without a shadow of a doubt

[rms16006]

@AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee Did you not pat attention, that is EXACTLY what he was saying! Are you mad because some research prove he was taking history text out of context and blatantly misleading his audience to further his agenda! c 'mon wake up research it yourself stop believing what people tell you.

[farkhatable]

@kofi7777 Histirical Messiah did exist, His true original name is Yahushua which means YAHUA Saves. He is the Messiah of Israel, His real is absolutely different.

Pagans made Yahushya into Jesus Christ, this is corruption aand has nothing to do with real Yahushua, the Savior of Israel and the whole world.

Read the Bible starting from the New Testament and the whole Bible after tthat, please.

God bless you

[dcbama3209]

Why site the source when you have actual proof (photos) from the british museum jackass...

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

@dcbama3209 Could you elaborate? What proof from the British Museum are you referring to? Proof of what? Please elaborate.

And is it possible you can conduct a discussion without employing words like "jackass"?

[spiritwolf50]

looks like an ill attempt to attack a black scholar who threatens a long practiced fake, rearranged relegion. this little video here about pastor haggins is an ill attempt, you judge for yourself and get the full spill not some loser whos relegious upbringing is threatened. Is this all you got to say really now. its skiddish

[AFROMATIONS]

שלום בישוע המשיחינו

Christ is a title... etomology will explain this... You will find in ptolomy in the book of Daniel... The king of the south brought up gods to the north... We as Hebrews need not to return back to Egypt, but rather to our own ways... His way.... YHWH... I am HE that IS....

Numbers 6:24-26

יְבָרֶכְךָ יְהוָה, וְיִשְׁמְרֶךָ

יָאֵר יְהוָה פָּנָיו אֵלֶיךָ, וִיחֻנֶּךָּ

יִשָּׂא יְהוָה פָּנָיו אֵלֶיךָ, וְיָשֵׂם לְךָ שָׁלוֹם

[kofi7777]

@AFROMATIONS . The Kings of the south was Taharka, Shbaka of the 25th Dynasty who's God was Amon. They saved this ragged tail bunch of Hebrews in Judah when the Assyrians were besieging the city. They would have been all killed if this military lead by Amon had not saved this group who was following the weak unimportant YhWh who was a regional deity only.

[matthew11and25]

The music is very distracting.

[blackadam06]

There's some excellent studies going back a couple 100 yrs, culminating with a book called "The Jesus Puzzle" by Earl Daughtery. He pretty much PROVES that not only was Paul not a "historical" character, but within the narrative of the story, he WAS NOT talkin' about a "historical" jesus, but the "gnostic" jesus from the Daucedic view, due to it being the most popular one at the time.

It proves that he (jesus) could/did not take "human form", due to the belief of human flesh being "evil".

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

@blackadam06 I have not read Daughtery's book. I'll try to when I have time. For now I will ask: are we to believe that passages like Phil 2:7, Col 2:9, Gal 4:4, and 1 Cor 15 are not examples of Paul's belief that Jesus had a physical body?

Second, aside from Paul (whose writings some are confused by - 2 Pet 3:15-16), what about the Gospel of Mark? Is that too not referring to a Christ with a physical body?

[blackadam06]

In Galatians 4:24, it states in that this ENTIRE thing is an "ALLEGORY".

That means it didn't REALLY happen..it's a STORY that the writers of the bible MADE UP to make a point! If it's an allegory & Abraham didn't really exist, that means that Issac didn't either! No Issac, means no Jacob. No Jacob means no 12 tribes of Israel, which means no tribe of judah! No judah means no "lion" of the tribe of judah, which y'all call jesus.

If the root doesn't exist, how can the branch exist?

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

@blackadam06 Gal 4:24 is not discussing Christ, but rather Abraham (and his children, along with the women who gave birth to them). The way that texts is understood is not that Paul is stating that Abraham did not exist, but rather that the story of Abraham's progeny also has a symbolic meaning, aside from its literal meaning. The symbolic meaning is relevant to the point Paul is making here. With all due respect, this appeal to Gal 4:24 strikes me as a leap.

[COOTSFANCLUB]

TIGHT!!!

[funkman70]

I'm not an expert on this but the first time I was shown about Isis & horus that's when I realized that the "Jesus" story was a copy from ancient afrikan myth stories. It's on the pyramid walls wayyyy before "Jesus" existed. Arius of Libya knew that worshipping the bust of Serapis was wrong & that's why Constatine organized the council of Nicea to stop him.What ever we create...they take & it still happens today.

[vashthestampede2008]

Someone I don't care who, explain this to me.

Revelations.. A thousand years have passed. TWICE!( according to the roman calendar anyway) What happened? There was no Dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns, no Jesus didn't come to save anybody...somebody explain this to me without dipping into your box of religious cop-outs!

[nappyg1]

well dont know why this guy put up this vid but go and ck out ashra kwesi his vids will explain better

[KPACHNbIBLOOD]

Check out the Playlist on my channel called "Ashra Kwesi refuted".

[RebelAllianceMedia]

i don't know . . . i can read . . . from what i read, christians and bishops of christ worshiped serapis and were his devotees. serapis was indeed a god, not a philosophy.

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

RAM, the point is it was a POST-CHRISTIAN text. You guys seemed to cite that text (or, more specifically, a video discussing that text) as evidence that Christ was a fictional character based on Serapis. The relevant clip which appears in the video to which this video is a response does not come anywhere near demonstrating that position.

But I'll ask you now: why should Christians find the text read by Haggins to be significant in any way?

[SuperBabee1]

@RebelAllianceMedia psalm 84 for the lord god is a sun.

[truthvspower]

@SuperBabee1 MALACHI 4

2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

HMMM? HORUS=SUN GOD (HORIZON!) VS SET="SUNSET" OR MORNING STAR.

JESUS = MORNING STAR VS SATAN = PRINCE OF DARKNESS

Does anyone see a pattern here?

[jaronmusic]

By the way... GREAT VIDEO!

[jaronmusic]

Early historians talk about Jesus' miracles as being Egyptian sorcery and that Jesus was not born of a virgin. Point blank... JESUS DID EXIST!!! If you don't want to believe he was the Son of God that's fine. I'm don't know if I believe that he was the Divine or not. It is more likely that he wasn't but he did exist. Get your facts straight and stop believing everything that you hear.

[jaronmusic]

I'm tired of all of these stupid videos and websites that try to claim that Jesus didn't exist. This is a more recent idea. People weren't trying to claim this bullshit years after Jesus died. Horus was not born of a virgin and neither was Mithra. There seem to be far more differences than similarities between Jesus and Horus (and Jesus and Mithra). Jesus was not declared divine by vote at the 1st Council of Nicea. This is someone's interpretation of facts.

[wer4321]

I went to Egypt in July. I saw with my own two peepers, stories from the bible which were plagarized. There are no writings about Jesus from historians in the time he supposedly lived. Kind of peculiar that a guy who could walk on water and raise the dead was not written about..

[RebelAllianceMedia]

yes, it is very strange.

[PrixGem]

I have been in the Vatican's museums and seen the statues of Serapis and of his mother and they are EXACTELY like the images of Jesus and Mary that we see today. CUT THE BULLSH*T.

[RebelAllianceMedia]

LMAO-i don't know why he won't cut the bullshit.

[kingdomkid4life]

superalmighty why do you continue to waste your Inn-er-g(god) on someone who wants to believe in things that are not consistant with reality? Please, I beg you to teach and enlighten those who are open and ready to recieve the truths that you present that can be validated with physical facts not belief.

For those who rather debate using the bible as resource and not a reference,,,,,,,, You will forever remain a slave. Colonist feed us these lies. surely it wasnt for our benefit.

[iwhobelieve7]

Over and over and over again we talk to compare whose knowledge is true! Wisdom and understanding for spirituality? It's obvious to say that THE HOLY BIBLE stands upon a rock foundation much stronger than any other book(s) formed. The worlds were built from perpetuating THE HOLY BIBLE as their own, all just to enslave those who don't believe. The Almighty Most High gave to save! The man referred to as JESUS CHRIST=anointed savior, is that mediator between the Creator(Heaven) and men(Earth).

[SuperAlwaysright]

"The Christian Bible, creation legend, descent into and exodus from Egypt, ark and flood allegory, Israelite history, Hebrew prophesy and poetry, Gospel, Epistles and Revelation imagery, ALL ARE NOW PROVEN to have been the TRANSMISSION OF ANCIENT EGYPTS SCROLLS AND PAPYRI into the hands of later generations which knew neither their true origin nor their fathomless meaning"

Dr Alvin Boyd Kuhn PhD

PhD Theosopy Columbia Univerity

[iwhobelieve7]

I believe that the wisdom teachings etc. found in the book(s) now known to be called THE HOLY BIBLE were ALL opened in the spirit through those divinely anointed Prophets and Disciples! Regardless of the "Egyptians" rule it was always the Hebrews that were approached for revelations. Joseph the Israelite was made head of the state under the then Pharaoh. Moses was also an Israelite who gained sudden high ship over the whole land of "Egypt". Nebuchadnezzar praised the GOD of Daniel the Jew.

[SuperAlwaysright]

"The publication of papyrus in the British museum revealed the author ,Amenenope! ALL OLD TESTAMENT SCHOLARS OF ANY WEIGHT OR STANDING NOW RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THIS WHOLE SECTION OF ABOUT A CHAPTER AND A HALF OF THE BOOK OF PROVERBS 'IS LARGELY DRAWN VERBATIM FROM THE WISDOM OF THE PHARAOH AMENENOPE; THAT IS THE HEBREW VERSION IS PRACTICALLY A LITERAL TRANSLATION FROM THE EGYPTIAN"

Professor James H. Breasted

Egyptologist & Profess.

THE ORIENTAL INSTITUTE

OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO

[SuperAlwaysright]

"It is likewise OBVIOUS that in numerous other places in the Old Testament not only in the Book of Proverbs, but also in the Hebrew law, in Job, as we already noticed in Samuel and Jeremiah, Pharoah Amenenope's wisdom IS THE SOURCE of ideas, figures,moral standards, and especially certain warm and humane spirit of kindness"

Professor James H. Breasted

Egyptologist & Profess.

THE ORIENTAL INSTITUTE

OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO

[SuperAlwaysright]

Keep your beliefs out of this, they dont mean a hill a beans....present facts and eveidence...if not shut up. I keep my beliefs to myself.....facts and evidence is what I'm posting.

[iwhobelieve7]

SuperAlwaysright? Are you always right? Isn't there times when you may turn left while driving or walking? That name is arrogant! Anyway, I'd be more than obliged to hear what knowledge you've researched to find, but your pride makes one who is humbly learned in other things reluctant to consider what you say! My GOD tells me to reject haughty high minded spirits as yourself. And rightfully so. Demonology spawns that character!! That's why "ancient Egypt" turned to dust and still is dust.

[SuperAlwaysright]

"A study of ancient Egyptian religious texts will convince the reader that the Egyptians believed in ONE God,who was self existent,immortal,invisible,et­ernal,omniscient,almighty, and inscrutible;the maker of the heavens and the earth,and underworld;the creator of the sky and the sea,men and women,animals and birds,fish and creeping things, trees and plants and the incorporeal beings who were the messengers that fulfilled his wish and word.

Sir E A Wallis Budge

EGYPTIAN RELIGION CHAPT.1 p.17

[SuperAlwaysright]

For a place that turned to dust....it sure has alot of pyramids still standing you medieval arch bishop (you know.....the bad guy in all those movies....thats you)

[SuperAlwaysright]

Pt1.

Contrary to some popular depictions, the pyramid builders were not slaves or foreigners. Excavated skeletons show that they were Egyptians who lived in villages developed and overseen by the pharaoh's supervisors.

National Geographic Magazine

'So.... Natinal Geographic is in the business of lying?

You as*hole.

[SuperAlwaysright]

yes...the bible has some good things in it....but its got way more bad things.....and thats just a fact. You focus on the good in it....good I'm glad for you. But clean water and dirty water mixed together dont make clean water.....sorry, I aint drink'n.

[SuperAlwaysright]

I do not have the luxury of 'respecting other people's beliefs' with respect to the veracity of truth as regards biblical stories.

My intimate knowledge of the facts do not permit me to teter totter on the fence of indecision. I have seen the eveidence up close and personal.....therefore my sympathy lies with the truth.

[SuperAlwaysright]

My position is if you spend more time with knowlegde and less time with beliefs....eventually you'll have more answers than questions and your beliefs will be much more informed (in other words they'll take care of themselves). If you needed to have surgery who would you prefer to work on you.....a doctor with the required KNOWLEDGE .....or a doctor relying on what he 'BELIEVES' to be correct?

Knowledge implies personal responsibility and that's something most would prefer to avoid.

[SuperAlwaysright]

you a*s wipe... you attack my obviously fallible character out of your inability to successfully dismiss my posts. As far as my character is concerned..."let he who is without sin....(I'm sure you know the rest....hah!!). Now that that's settled....like I said before...this is more about your scholarly incompetence than it is about my demeanor (ad hominem).

Your book and its claims are false.....period. Your sentimental attachment to it is youre......I empathize, but it's nonetheless.....false.

[SuperAlwaysright]

And by the way....the bible is not even remotely old; 'The Bible' in it's oldest form....the Pentateuch is no older than 700 b.c.e., (relatively recent) and is pre-dated by 'wisdom / proverbs texts' written by the Africans of the Nile Valley by roughly 1,875 years. These text are kept in the Bibliothèque nationale de France in Paris in the form of the 'Prisse Papyrus'. How can the Bible be the oldest historical text in the world when writing and 'paper' itself was invented in Africa,in Egypt?

[SuperAlwaysright]

"The ripe social and moral development of mankind in the Nile Valley which is 3000 YEARS OLDER than that of the Hebrews CONTRIBUTED ESSENTIALLY TO THE FORMATION OF the Hebrew literature. Our moral heritage therefore derives from a wider human past ENORMOUSLY OLDER THAN THE HEBREWS and it has come to us rather THROUGH the Hebrews than FROM them"

Professor James H. Breasted

Egyptologist & Profess.

THE ORIENTAL INSTITUTE

OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO

[SuperAlwaysright]

you sound like an emotional idiot

[iwhobelieve7]

you sound like you've been copying the oral ideologies of Phillip Valentine! many of so-called "kemit or Egyptologists" sit in front of these guys with composition books and just jot down esoteric alchemy info they hardly understand. it's OK to detach ourselves from our natural heathen enemies(whites), but running to another clan of satanists, as the ancient Egyptians etc." is no better!! The Pharaohs of "Egypt" were wicked for denying the people's interests just to go to mars in opium mind.

[SuperAlwaysright]

PT 1.

"THE KINDEST RACE of the ancient world WAS THAT OF THE EGYPTIANS;and if we direct our course to the NileValley of 3 or 4000 yrs ago,we shall find CONDITIONS THERE SO HUMANE that instances of Pharaonic cruelty such as we have been shown in some recent film dramas will be seen at once to reflect THE MENTALITY OF THE PRODUCER AND NOT THAT OF THE PEOPLE he thought to portray....." cont'd

Sir Arthur Weigall (English Egyptologist)

FLIGHTS INTO ANTIQUITY - p.58

Hutchinson&Co., London, 1928

[SuperAlwaysright]

'Rome' wants you to think otherwise so they've given you a book that teaches you otherwise. The Romans never changed their colors.....they just improved their hustle.

[theonetheonlyJr]

@iwhobelieve7 actually Satan....Sawtawn in the Greek...and St (Set) was not always a bad guy...lol....a group of people in Egypt did worship the serpent....and he wasnt known as the DEVIL..lol back then....

[theonetheonlyJr]

@SuperAlwaysright SHUT UP n LET ME CONTROL YOU!!!!!! lol! the evidence is on the walls of the pyramids...and even in Chrisitianity itself.....New test AMEN t...lol.....Kemet was the first..and that's where the Hi bur rews...(across the river) got everything they know

[SuperAlwaysright]

Youve been given a fairytail from birth (just like in the movie 'Matrix') and you've chosen to believe it because you're too intellectually lazy to do some work and find out for yourself what the truth actually is.....and this is exactly what theyre betting on (like in the movie 'Matrix').

[iwhobelieve7]

"Fairytale" the Bible might be to you, but for me it has taught me how to live peaceably on earth with others! In humbleness, charity, nobility and love just to name a few. The dietary and sexual laws are MAGNIFICENT!!! In adaption to them, I'm safely foreign away from colon cancer, diabetes, aids, dementia, Alzheimer, high blood pressure, stress and prison just to name of few. The Honor of the Bible ( common sense) is the reason why I'm too "lazy" to dabble into other satanic pagan lies.

[SuperAlwaysright]

PT.2

".....the Egyptians WERE SELDOM CONCIOUSLY CRUEL; they DID NOT GRIND MEN TO PULP UNDER THE WHEELS OF THEIR JUGGERNAUGHTS, they DID NOT lash their laboring serfs, they DID NOT torture people,they DID NOT calously inflict death upon anybody-in fact THEY NEVER DID ANY OF THE THINGS of this sort which the film producers are at such pains to present to us."

Sir Arthur Weigall (English Egyptologist)

FLIGHTS INTO ANTIQUITY - p.58

Hutchinson&Co., London, 1928

[SuperAlwaysright]

And by the way you should also know that:

'The pyramid texts are the OLDEST KNOWN RELIGIOUS TEXTS IN THE WORLD.'

Absolute Astronomy'

YOU SHOULD ALSO KNOW that the 'Abraham' of your biblical story does not supposedly enter Ancient Egypt until 705 years after the rendering of the Pyramid texts.This just 300 years shy of a thousand years.Sorry,your Bible is a 'Johnny Come Lately' interpretation of other peoples writings.This is a scientific fact. Science means EVIDENCE; you have none.

[SuperAlwaysright]

"The publication of papyrus in the British museum revealed the author ,Amenenope! ALL OLD TESTAMENT SCHOLARS OF ANY WEIGHT OR STANDING NOW RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THIS WHOLE SECTION OF ABOUT A CHAPTER AND A HALF OF THE BOOK OF PROVERBS 'IS LARGELY DRAWN VERBATIM FROM THE WISDOM OF THE PHARAOH AMENENOPE; THAT IS THE HEBREW VERSION IS PRACTICALLY A LITERAL TRANSLATION FROM THE EGYPTIAN"

Professor James H. Breasted

Egyptologist & Profess.

THE ORIENTAL INSTITUTE

OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO

[SuperAlwaysright]

"It is likewise OBVIOUS that in numerous other places in the Old Testament not only in the Book of Proverbs, but also in the Hebrew law, in Job, as we already noticed in Samuel and Jeremiah, Pharoah Amenenope's wisdom IS THE SOURCE of ideas, figures,moral standards, and especially certain warm and humane spirit of kindness"

Professor James H. Breasted

Egyptologist & Profess.

THE ORIENTAL INSTITUTE

OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO

[SuperAlwaysright]

Everything I've posted here your Church leaders already know....they just don't respect you enough to tell you. They don't wanna pull the 'money carpet' out from under their own feet. I should know...I was one of 'em....how the hell do you think I know all of this as*hole. And wh the hell is Phil Valenwhatever....? I dont know & dont care. God Bless, do some research ya lazy bastard. the same people have spoon feeding you anesthesia for the past 2000 yrs....havent you had you fill?

[NotYourTypicalNegro]

It's amazing how all you're doing is copying and pasting what you've been told instead of presenting original thought and analysis. So then, you do the EXACT SAME THING you accused supposedly uninformed 'Christians' of doing! LOL! The comedy of this is absolutely side-splitting!

You are not going to convince anyone of what you say because the facts do not line up. And your attitude is not helpful either. So you are just wasting your time.

[SuperAlwaysright]

You present no facts ....no evidents, no sources.....you're not intellectually competent enough to challenge me on your own page so you remove my comments so that no one can witness your lack of responses. You complain like a child that loses a spelling bee because they haven't done their homework. Present FACTS, EVIDENCE & SOURCES...you don't because you can't because there are no credible ones that can stand up under scrutiny. Don't be envious of the truth finally outshining a lie...your LIE.

[NotYourTypicalNegro]

SuperAlwaysright , you most CERTAINLY will be dealt with in due time. I'm organizing my presentation as I speak.

You'll be hearing from me soon. I'm tired of the unchecked foolishness circulating on YouTube.

[SuperAlwaysright]

You won't be dealing with me....you're not on my level....I'll let my 14 year old 'Sun' deal w. you ....he likes to play with lesser minds. My 12 year old niece would probably hurt your feelings.....she has little patience for illinformed 'NEGROES'.

"Ethiopia was the first established country on earth; and the Ethiopians were the first who introduced the worship of the gods, and who established laws."

'ETHNICA'

Stephanus of Byzantium (6th Century Historian....Eastern Roman Empire)

[SuperBabee1]

@NotYourTypicalNegro psalm 84 for the lord god is a sun.please address this with your presentation unlce tom.

[SuperBabee1]

@NotYourTypicalNegro i hope you respond so you can get crushed.please uncle tom please cause when the shit hit the fan negros like you will be the frist to go.

[NotYourTypicalNegro]

Be quiet, AGENT.

[gaou02]

teach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SuperAlwaysright]

Lets go....lets get it poppin......come and get embarrased on here......pleeeeaaase.....

[SuperAlwaysright]

You attack my methods....you attack my strategy......but it appears your too incompetent to depose the infromation I posit. Hmmmm wonder why... Oh I know why......you're academically outclassed. One of us is a research specialist the other one is a typical self hating bible totin' backwoods cotton patch wanna be preacher N.E.G.R.O. The white man gave you a book filled of fairytails & fantasies and you refuse to let it go. What's sad is there's a greater truth that's escaping you every moment.

[SuperAlwaysright]

"A study of ancient Egyptian religious texts will convince the reader that the Egyptians believed in ONE God,who was self existent,immortal,invisible,et­ernal,omniscient,almighty, and inscrutible;the maker of the heavens and the earth,and underworld;the creator of the sky and the sea,men and women,animals and birds,fish and creeping things, trees and plants and the incorporeal beings who were the messengers that fulfilled his wish and word.

Sir E A Wallis Budge

EGYPTIAN RELIGION CHAPT.1 p.17

[SuperAlwaysright]

"The ripe social and moral development of mankind in the Nile Valley which is 3000 YEARS OLDER than that of the Hebrews CONTRIBUTED ESSENTIALLY TO THE FORMATION OF the Hebrew literature. Our moral heritage therefore derives from a wider human past ENORMOUSLY OLDER THAN THE HEBREWS and it has come to us rather THROUGH the Hebrews than FROM them"

Professor James H. Breasted

Egyptologist & Profess.

THE ORIENTAL INSTITUTE

OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO

[mrrah246]

@NotYourTypicalNegro

[mrrah246]

@NotYourTypicalNegro Seems typical mined to me negro. You want to believe something that is`nt true. Wake up the facts are out . Do your research typical nergro.

[NotYourTypicalNegro]

mrrah246, your comment is not particularly worth responding to.

[SuperBabee1]

@iwhobelieve7 your own bible says psalm 84 for the lord is a sun .lol

[WILL6244]

NICE

[truthhitmanisback]

Christ came and said that he came not to destroy the law MATT 14:17 But the Romans changed it and sneekingly made Isis and Horus into Jesus and Mary. But when you read Isaiah 43:10 God says with his own mouth, according to the bible, that there is only One God. All the false Gods shall profit nothing and shall be made desolate. The God's of Egypt are being dececrated by white people , and racist Arabs. Zahi Hawass is one of the racist Arabs.

[BoyintheMachine]

A Question: The author Joseph Atwill proposes the notion that Christians weren't persecuted by the Romans.

???What????

It goes like this: The Romans, being disbelievers in the Jewish religion (and Christianity) made no distinction between Messianic Jews and the followers of Jesus, calling them all "Christians", i.e. "Followers of (a) Christ". If this is true, then it means that the Romans persecuted Jews and not actual Christians. (Though I'm sure some Christians were persecuted.)

[BoyintheMachine]

(continued) I should state that Joseph Atwill's theory is that Jesus was a Roman invention meant to tame the Messianic Jews. (We think of Jesus as being against Rome, but actually he made pro-Roman comments such as, "Render unto Caeser what is Caeser's", .i.e., pay your taxes!)

Atwill's theory is complex but implies that the gospels were deliberately spread as propagand for this new cult of Christ. Atwill believe the Flavians were responsible parties and that Jesus was based on Julius Caeser.

[BoyintheMachine]

(continued) I haven't read Atwill's books, but I know there's no hard evidence for this save for the fact that the Romans have attempted to form a new religion that would unite all of Rome prior to the rise of Christianity, that of the cult of Isis and Serapis (Ironically the topic of this vid!) At that time, belief in the traditional Roman pantheon was diminishing and with the conquest of Egypt, the cult of Isis and Serapis (Osiris merged w/ Apis bull), would be exotic & unite the empire.

[BoyintheMachine]

(continued) What's important to remember is that the Roman cult of Isis/Serapis was differnent from the traditional Egyptian cult. They Romanized the cults. So if they did this before with a different cult, it's possible they could have conspired to do this with the cult of Christ.

[BoyintheMachine]

(continued) So to clarify, Atwill's theory is that the accounts of "Christians" being persecuted by the Romans prior to the 2nd or 3rd centuries is a ruse, that in actuality they were Messianic Jews and not followers of Jesus. That the Jesus cult and what is now called Christianity was a Roman invention meant to tame the Messianic Jews by giving them what they expected, a messiah figure, save for the fact that he was pro-Rome. Later the Christ cult would be used to unite the Roman empire.

[BoyintheMachine]

(continued) Joseph Atwill's book, Caeser's Messiah is available which goes over this information. I myself have not read it yet but I have listened to his interviews on YouTube about it. I can't say that Atwill is correct, but I can say that what he proposes is possible, especially as it entails behavior of the Romans with regards to creating a religion to unify the empire in the past, the failed cult of Isis/Serapis. Did the Romans succeed with the creation of the cult of Christ?

[BoyintheMachine]

(clarification) Atwill does not believe Jesus was based on Julius Caeser but rather Titus the son of Vespasian. Atwill believes that when Jesus spoke of his father's kingdom and of setting up the kingdom on earth, he was referring to Rome and his father Vespasian in Rome.

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

SIRIUS, again I will ask that if you are seriously interested in this subject, you watch my video titled, "A Short Look at Some Methodological Problems of Rebel Alliance Media". That video touches on the issue of "mother and child" themes in artistic depictions of different figures. This video has nothing to do with that subject, so it your comment is totally out of place here. So, again, if you want to discuss this, see my video on methodology, consider the points made therein, and comment.

[offthahook08]

I can show you rameses but you cant show me Gee-sus. This is a load of crap. You will never be the original man. Youll see soon! Christianity means death thats it, thats all! I want to see proof that any of these cartoon characters ever existed on this planet. Your proof is a caucasoid's book. We got pyramids to show we existed even your Pope knows this. Ask him why he has that pyramid and obelisk in his front yard at the vatican. OOOhh. Bum!

[iwhobelieve7]

The obelisk(uncircumcised penis of Osiris) is a phallic symbol which represents spiritual perversion and Necromancy. The Pyramid(s) of "Egypt" were built by the Hebrew slaves of Egypt. It clearly shows to this very day. Hebrew men are engraved on the base lower walls in Egypt. The "God" of the Hebrews respectfully commanded them to worship Him in spirit and in Truth. We who know THE HOLY BIBLE to be the wisdom over ALL wisdom, understand that the unbelievers are spiritually dead mummies.

[SuperAlwaysright]

"The original foundational matter of the Mosaic writings is not, was not, historical at all, but ENTIRELY MYTHICAL.....The myths of EGYPT will be found to have been copied and reproduced. THE HEBREWS TOOK THEM FROM THE EGYPTIANS, with other stolen goods, and were UNABLE or DID NOT CHOOSE to render a TRUE account of them.

Gerald Massey

EGYPY LIGHT OF THE WORLD 1907

[iwhobelieve7]

Your hypothesis about Hebrew and "Egyptian" is sadly contradictory for story! You say "The myths of EGYPT will be found to have been copied and reproduced"...but how does that make the writings of the "Egyptians" logically or historically better than the HOLY BIBLE? Doesn't Myth means false story? And if myth means false then wouldn't that also dismiss the ancient Egyptian's credibility? Anyway, Its common sense to say that the ancient "Egyptians adapted from Abraham the Hebrew. Genesis 12:3.

[SuperAlwaysright]

"From the walls of the temple of Luxor,there faces Christianity a group of 4 scenes that spell the NON-HISTORICITYof four episodes purveyed as history in the Gospel's recital of the Christ nativity:the angel's pronouncement to the shepherds tending their flocks by night in the fields;the annunciation of the angel to the virgin;the adoration of the infant by 3 Magi;AND THE NATIVITY SCENE ITSELF.. millenia anterior to the Christian era"

Dr Alvin Boyd Kuhn PhD

PhD Theosopy Columbia Univerity

[SuperAlwaysright]

so much for your 'common sense 'iwhobelieve7'

[wer4321]

YEAH. Both stories are myths. The bible is just full of Plagarized myths. I saw the parting of the red sea story on a relief in Egypt. Only difference it was a Pharoah instead of moses.

[iwhobelieve7]

OK, if you say so! Have a good day

[truthhitmanisback]

A well researched video !

We need more quality material like this. Much more. They are now saying that the Bible was copied from Egypt. How the 10 Commandments were copied from the 42 Negative Confessions in Egypt.

But because there is no one to teach, it leaves room for other people to come in and lead people astray. Thanx for this eye opening video. Searching for the real truth made me find this video.

[BoyintheMachine]

Please realize that there is a lot of misinformation out there, but that does not prove the "correctness" of the Bible.  The Bible contains many things which we know are wrong.

[fliegeroh]

Because paganism generally thought "the more gods, the merrier" and since the cult of Serapis preceded Christianity by 3 centuries, isn't it more correct to say that the followers of Serapis "dabbled in Christianity"? No Christian would have been permitted to believe in another god. This is what sets Judiasm, Christianity and Islam apart from the old Pagan world.

[SuperAlwaysright]

Saying Ancient Egypt was polytheistic (worshipped many gods) is like saying America is polytheistic just because different people inside the country worship different gods......that's a stupid premise. How many religions are practiced in America? Does that make America polytheistic......maybe it does. Both societies are religiously pluralistic allowing different gods to be venerated and worshipped out of respect for its inhabitants. Grow up people, its a misleading story.

[SuperAlwaysright]

"A study of ancient Egyptian religious texts will convince the reader that the Egyptians believed in ONE God,who was self existent,immortal,invisible,et­ernal,omniscient,almighty, and inscrutible;the maker of the heavens and the earth,and underworld;the creator of the sky and the sea,men and women,animals and birds,fish and creeping things, trees and plants and the incorporeal beings who were the messengers that fulfilled his wish and word.

Sir E A Wallis Budge

EGYPTIAN RELIGION CHAPT.1 p.17

[kahanyah]

damm!!! this video was thorough!!! very meticulous work in such a short video (6.5 min.)

Well done, very well done.

[alexhallgren]

This video didn't prove anything. The cult of Serapis WAS in existence 3 centuries before the alleged time of Jesus. And the image and rituals of Serapis are IDENTICAL to Christianity. And there are NO records of the life of Jesus until at least a hundred years after his alleged death.

And that quote you cited gives away the truth no matter when it was written because it just says that the people who think they are Christians are really worshiping Serapis. Just like they are today.

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

Thank you, Mr. Hallgren, for your comment. I would ask that, if you are going to claim that the cult of Serapis had rituals identical to those of Christianity, that you cite a pre-Christian which records such.

As for the passage from the Historiae Augustae, it notes that, in specifically Egypt, Christians dabbled in Serapis worship. It even says the Patriarch was forced to worship Serapis when *in Egypt*. It does not claim that anyone who fancies themself a Christian actually follows Serapis.

[alexhallgren]

How would a pre-Christian know that the cult of Serapis was identical to a cult which had not yet been founded?

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

Mr. Hallgren, my apologies for the typo. I meant a pre-Christian *source*.

What I was saying is: if you claim that, before the advent of Christianity, the cult of Serapis had rituals identical to those which would be employed in Christianity, please cite a pre-Christian source which records the relevant rituals. In other words, as a starting point, I'm asking: what is your source for the pre-Christian rituals of the devotees of Serapis? I look forward to anything you're willing to share.

[alexhallgren]

All sources concur that the worshipers of Serapis were baptized and received eternal life for confessing their belief in the deity. And the image of Serapis is clearly the inspiration for the image of the Christ.

I don't know of an ancient source that describes this but you can find this information in any book on ancient Egyptian gods & religions.

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

Thank you Mr. Hallgren, for your answer. While I know you already said that you are not certain of what pre-Christian sources support these claims, could you recommend one of the books you, yourself have read about this subject in? If possible, I'd like to look the book over, and see what sources /it/ cites for such claims. Thank you in advance.

[TheAbyssinianKing]

watch?v=rJNlYW6aXxI

[YoAmoLaIglesia]

good video. but why hector lavoe? his music is demonic.

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

YOAMOLAIGLESIA, I wouldn't call all his music "demonic," though a lot of it was very unChristian. I employed two different songs for this video, and I think I successfully edited out any Santeria references.

I used it because I found it humorous and ironic. This whole debate is about the alleged conflation of Christ with a Grecco-Egyptian deity. So the video opens with Lavoe (a man who himself dabbled in both Christianity and the worship of African deities) begging Christ for mercy in Greek.

[RebelAllianceMedia]

this is too funny.

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

Well, sir, if you're happy, then I'm happy too. =)

Could elaborate on what you found humorous about the video?

[RebelAllianceMedia]

abu are you serious?....SERAPIS CHRISTUS....CHRISTUS.. CHRIST......350BCE SIR...350BCE SIR.....you cannot be serious...because the letter was written in 134ad..your argument is that serapis did not influence jesus christ??? do you forget that plotemy the first's aka was the soter??? soter-savior in greek?? jesus-savior in latin??? jesus christ=serapis christus,please bro i know you are an intelligent brother abu.stop being a christian apologist.

[Poppalito]

u Got beef wit abu? lol U Guys are Gonna arGue till next year

[RebelAllianceMedia]

its not "beef" bro abu is an intelligent bro an we respect him,ok bro. chill with your violence.

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

POPPALITO, perhaps you derived this notion of debates with me being long and drawn out from observing my debates with Tahar ("whitemanisthedevil"). But Tahar and I often go in circles because he tries to change subjects, and I often resist such segues when he does such, thus often our exchanges devolved into him asking unrelated questions, and me trying to remind him of the original subject.

Whatever the case, since you're in the comments section of this video, why not comment on its subject?

[Poppalito]

Abu I hate talkin to u, your comments be way to lonG and dressed up. and how u know Tahar is "whitemanisthedevil"

I didnt comment cuz I didnt watch it, I know about Christ thats my BiG Bro

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

RAM, sir, the gist of this video is that the clip of Haggins failed to show that devotees of Serapis were called "Christians" or "Bishops of Christ" before the dawn of the Christian era. He only quotes a fourth century text (which itself makes no claim that this tendency dates to before the Christian era), when one should cite a pre-Christian recording of such an alleged phenomenon.

As for Serapis Christus, I would seriously ask: what is the earliest recording of that name/title?

[RebelAllianceMedia]

the clip you saw was cut sir..i will upload the whole thing... and as i said above...350 b.c.e again 350 b.c.e. sir................

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

RAM, okay, sir, I look forward to that. But again, I'm not denying the existence of belief in Serapis prior to the Christian era. Rather, more specifically, I was saying that the relevant clip did not show that the titles "Christians" or "Bishops of Christ" for devotees of Serapis date to before the Christian era. Do the other portions of Mr. Haggins' lectures cite pre-Christian sources which record these titles for the devotees of Serapis? Whatever the case, again, I look forward to the video.

[RebelAllianceMedia]

whats so funny is out of all the info we have put out,you choose to attack the serapis issue..nothing on horus,mithra.apollos,you miss understood what hagins said,if you watch the whole video which will be provided for you soon ray hagins shown cleary how ptolemy the first created serapis christus 350 B.C.E SIR.....350 B.C.E. THE LETTER WAS WRITTEN 134A.D. SIR.......just because the letter was written after does not refute the fact the serapis was created BEFORE YOUR CHRIST.

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

RAM, sir, I was addressing this idea that before the Christian era, devotees of Serapis were called Christians or Bishops of Christ. Note that from 1:30 to 1:40 of this video, Haggins cites the text as recording these titles, and then declares "that's deep - there was no Jesus!" The text itself gives no indication that it was a pre-Christian phenomenon. Rather, a 4th century text attributes to Hadrian claims about the practices of Jews, Christians, Samaritans, et cetera in Egypt, in /his/ time.

[RebelAllianceMedia]

this is ridiculous......we will respond in video abu.

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

RAM, it's ridiculous? Sir, I was only trying to clarify the point of this video. Haggins seemed to insinuate that the text attributed to Hadrian demonstrated that, before the Christian era, devotees of Serapis were called Christians and Bishops of Christ. This video focuses on specifically /that/ insinuation. It was not addressing the entirety of arguments attempting to identify Serapis with Jesus; rather it was focusing on specifically how he presented /that/ text. I look forward to your video.

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

AHSHAR, is that seriously the way you took it? In all honesty, I respect those two gentlemen, and was not trying to insult them. I merely used images from their videos because I was responding to specifically them.

[DeliverTheNation]

Serapis was not Christ as we know in the bible asYahawashi that's straight ignorant!!!!!

On the other hand, some have pointed out that Chrestus (Christus) was another name for the Egyptian god, Serapis. Chrestus may be translated as "Messiah", though the term need not apply to any specific Messiah, such as Jesus. It therefore could have simply been applied to "Lord Serapis", so that in fact, there was never any connection at all between the early Christians and the worshippers of Serapis.

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

DELIVERTHENATION, thank you, sir. You made a great point about even the term "Christ" not having to refer specifically to Jesus. Even the meshing of two figures does not prove one is based on the other (I've grown up around people who equated various Yoruba deities with Christ, Mary, and various Saints).

Regardless, after seeing how uncarefully Ray Haggins treated the text, I think for any claim proponents of identifying Christ with Serapis need to provide specifically pre-Christian sources.

[FalseProphetKilla]

RAM obviously thinks "Christ" is Jesus' last name. LOL

[AbuKhamrAlMaseeHee]

FALSEPROPHETKILLA, it is an interesting point.

Analogous is their argument that because Ptolemy the first bore the title Soter (Greek for Savior), Christ was based on that individual. Surely texts which predate the life of Ptolemy I have called individuals "savior" (e.g. the book of Isaiah calling the LORD GOD the only savior).

It strikes me as a poor argument to claim that because two individuals have been given the same title, the latter of the two is therefore a fictional character.

[FalseProphetKilla]

They think that this information is brand new or just recently brought to light. Being part of a cult for so long and at an early age has had an ill effect on them. They're reminiscent of the preacher's kids who go off to college or gets their first taste of freedom: they become the complete opposite of everything they were taught. These guys have gone from one extreme to the next. I hope they will allow themselves to look at this information objectively.