We offend two Gods. The Living God and the God of the flesh. The living God does not like our situation in our mortal and sinful form. But the Living Father loves us. We are better than the Flesh God and trapped here in our sinful bodies that he has put us in. Jesus is not of the Flesh God, but of the Living God. Jesus is a Son of God. Jesus is not the Christ. The Christ is of the Flesh God. Jesus was the serpent in the Garden of Eden. Christianity is not of the Living God.
please RE-CHECK... 1) who created SATAN? did SATAN existed by themselves of did GOD creates them? Why did GOD created SATAN? 2) who created humankind? did humankind existed by themselves of did GOD creates them (us)? Why did GOD created us (humankind)? 3) Who is more powerful?? and your answer Captain42x ? human will rot, worms in the earth will eat human's corpse... I wonder why.. why...why.. did you come up with this kind of question? (from a Muslim, MALAYSIA).
1) The Almighty God creates everything, know everything (limitless). IF God afraid of us, why did God "is" God in the first place? Isn't that a clash there?
2) God's is not bounded with "humanlike" limitation. Human will rot, dude. We all gonna die. And Captain42x come up with "God is afraid of us"?? Thats not tricky at all. That is wack, far beyond.
3) humankind can't live without oxygen in few minutes, 6-7 minute average.
God creates everything, gives me everything that I have, myself, oxygen, apportunity to taste the good & the bad while I'm here on earth, give my my mother, my father, family & all that I have.
Everything! ~ Don't be arrogant against God The Almighty..
What else that we need as a proof?
Sincerely I'm a Muslim.
I'll post other comment, check it out God lovers!!!!
[18] For there was a time in this age when I was preparing for those who now exist, before the world was made for them to dwell in, and no one opposed me then, for no one existed;
[19] but now those who have been created in this world which is supplied both with an unfailing table and an inexhaustible pasture, have become corrupt in their ways.
this moment existed in the mind of God before the inception of the universe
Funny, I've read a verse saying Satan can't tell the truth but God agrees with Satan. Who's who? Have you read Deuteronomy 32:8-9? It states God divided man, some say the Most High is another God but that's another discussion, his share was Israel. God divides man, assuming he is the Most High from a theists prespective, and chooses a nation of people and gets anrgy at other people who do not worship him because he choose not to be their God. Yeah.
look up the qur'an creation story...before man was created God informs the angels that He will create man and put him as a vice regent on Earth. And the angels ask why a vice regent will be someone who will spill blood. Than He teaches Adam certain things that the angels know not of. If u see the story u notice that God intended to teach man about good and evil(spilling blood) before man was even created. So one might say that it was all His plan(paradise lost). Why? we will understand one day
LOL The Creator of the universe, afraid of His creation! God, the Father is doing a work on this planet to show the fallen angels HIS AUTHORITY & the fact that He KNOWS BEST. just look at how the world runs when God is left out, war, theft, perversion, poverty, greed, envy, the list is to long to name. He is doing a WONDERFUL work to teach HIS Children a lesson they will never forget, He is Sovereign LORD & His Wisdom is FAR above any of His created being, be it angleic, or flesh. I praise HIM
God is not afraid of us. He would be disappointed to us people if we fail listening to Him. Cause He gave us choices. We can choose right or wrong. He wants to see who really loves Him, The Creator and Father. Life is a test. But since Satan is around that would make everything difficult.
- But didn't they die? Before they eat the fruit there was no death. After they eat the fruit, death became a 'part of life'.
"Satans telling Adam and Eve that they would be 'like God' was a worded deception. They could not be 'exactly like God'. Satan was only 'partially honest' with Adam and Eve. It's like telling a man in a cold Air-plane to jump outside of it and he will feel the warmth of the outdoors. Does the man feel warmer? Yes... will he die? yes.
I would have to ask you then where you think God didn't allow them to eat from the tree of life to 'live forever'.
When God said only 1 tree was off limits, that was the tree of knowledge, God at no point stopped Adam and Eve from eating of the Tree of life 'before' eating from the tree of knowledge.
The fact that God prevented them from going to the tree of life 'after' disobeying him tells me that they had access to it 'before' disobeying.
If they were going to die anyway, then 'death' would not be a direct consequence of eating from the tree. But since death was a direct consequence, they would not have died without disobeying.
How do you know they did not eat from the tree of life and have eternal life before throwing it away in the eating of the tree of knowledge?
This isn't my discussion but I would just like to point out to Jessica, that you are going on about whether Adam and Eve did or didn't eat from the tree of life and speculating the technicalities of the effects of consuming from the tree of life.
You are saying that the fruit from the tree of knowledge TRUMPS the fruit from the tree of life. In saying that you are also saying that you can either live forever and not know good or bad OR you can live for a limited time ALBEIT with knowledge.
Don't you think that if indeed Adam and Eve have the chance to eat from it before or actually did, that it would be mentioned? Such an essential detail would be included but it is not. Why? Because God saying "you will surely die" in that context is threatening.
If someone comes to you and says, "dont eat that pie, you will surely die" you will not even think for a second "oh this is tricky....perhaps im being told I will die eventually, so I will go ahead and eat the pie".
Of course not, in the context of the question there is CAUSE and EFFECT which would require vague speculative reasoning to consider that the effect is NOT linked inextricably to the cause.
Besides this, the serpent doesn't lie about "becoming like God". After all, God does later take the tree of life away so man isn't entirely like God!
And this puts God's almighty will into question, why when being able to grant mankind with knowledge and eternal life would a benevolent, perfect and complete being put a knowingly corruptible and deceivable being next to a tree that grant's it knowledge?
If God knows everything, and if we are made in his image, he then surely knew Adam and Eve would consume from it, no?
But I guess then you would tell me that we can't understand God's will and we must respect it, but if God is sold by the Bible and by the Church to be benevolent then I suppose there are different kinds of benevolence because so much suffering and pain would not go around in the world in the land created by a benevolent being!
And if we know good and bad, as Adam and Eved ate from the tree of knowledge, shouldn't our idea of benevolence be just as good as God's?
There are so many incongruencies in the Bible and in the Quran as well that I've developed the idea that there is no God, at least not as portrayed by any religion.
And I think this is evident to any free thinking, un-God-fearing, rational person.
THE GOD(s) S are not afraid of Us ( IN any WAY).as they are so advanced over Us ...... THE have THE POWER and WISDOM and I believe birthed Us ..even in the middle( LORD of the RINGS has a many parallels) of a WAR ( OVER each persons SOUL) the unselfish BEINGS shared LIFe with us ..as they DID .. THe BENEVOLENT (and loyal) on one side .... AND REBELS ( WANT To RULE( BE GOD)) on the other side .. THESE BEINGs ....have ALWAYS EXISTED . and can move through dimensions ... .
believe that the "GARDEN OF EDEN" was a BLISSFUL (see no evil hear no evil touch no evil) STATE of MIND)and loyalty..and when adam & eve became aware that they could determine their OWn DESTINY ..they MOveD OUT of darkness . into a perception of the whole PICTURE It wasnt THEIR CHOICE ..but GOD(S) made them to BE in OUR IMAGE and Likenes (but I will SERVE ) because I respect the fact that this world (had to HAVE) OUTSIDE INVENTION...and some amount of sharing of DNA......
You know what gets me? People take it with a grain of salt that Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden because they sinned and that mortality was a result of this sin. Yet Genesis makes it perfectly clear that sin had nothing to do with their expulsion, and strongly indicates that Adam and Eve were NEVER immortal: God kicked 'em out because he was afraid they'd eat from the other tree and become immortal as well as knowledgeable. Kind of hard to become something you already are!
"Yet Genesis makes it perfectly clear that sin had nothing to do with their expulsion...God kicked 'em out because he was afraid they'd eat from the other tree and become immortal as well as knowledgeable"
Exactly. This puts a huge wedge through the whole Christian doctrine doesn't it? If God wanted us to have eternal life, he would not have sent his son to die, he simply would have let us back in the Garden.
God is the ONLY factor preventing us from eating from the second tree!
They were not onmortal. See, you can't be inmortal and then mortal. O better yet: "Eternal". Is either you are eternal or not. They weren't. We are mortals because we know that eventually we're going to die because God only allows us to leave no more than 120 years. That tree of life is planted somewhere in the Universe, but God will bring it back so that people who made it will be allow to eat of and then, become "eternal".
@CommanderSquidlet God didn't want man to be forever evil. God had to restore them to righteousness, It is then when he lets them have life. In actuality all men will live for ever once we die to this body, we are eternal beings. However, unless one is restored to God through the blood of the Lamb, their wickedness will be punished as long as they live. Not because God is afraid of them, but because He is disgusted with their sin.
Let alone the whole fact of them not knowing good and evil, thus they could not have known it would be "evil" to disobey God.
It really does seem to be that God wasn't punishing Adam and Eve for disobeying him, but that he was exiling them as they had grown beyond his control and were now a potential threat to something he held dear.
The part I've never understood is the "You will surely die". Adam and Eve could have had no concept of death. There is never any mention of death occurring in the garden of eden, and thus they could not have known what that word meant.
It would be like me saying "Don't touch this button, as it will cause barfnazzle." What kind of threat is that? I don't know what barfnazzle means, so why should I be concerned about it?
I asked the same question to a JWT's and he said that Adam & Eve knew what death was because they saw the anials dying.
One thing I don't understand is the part when we read: "And they saw it was good to eat". How did they know it was good to eat if they haven't ate of it yet?."
I don't recall anywhere in the genesis story dealing with Eden that talked about animals dying, and humans typically don't really consider eating plants to be killing them (see most vegetarians for an example).
Then God said, Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food
You're right, there isn't. I'm trying though to find that part when this guy, many years ago, when I visited his church (Free will baptist) showed us (we were several Dudes) in the Bible. It sounds like the one you mention.
I believed he mentioned livestock, and he asked us, what's livestock for if it isn't for food?.
I'll look into once I get a chance to see if I can find what he showed us.
On the other hand, someone else, this was in college, mentioned that carnivors have eyes in the front, and humans aren't the exception to that. Well?, I started to look into that and it appears to be true. Cats, dogs, etc have eyes in the front and are in deed carnivors. On the other hand, I look at deers, and they do, in deed have eyes in the side (being herbivors).
Eye position is an evolutionary adaptation, and it isn't universally true (some lizards, many insects, etc). I assume you mean just mammals from you examples. For predators, being able to judge distance to your target is important. For herbivores, being able to locate predators from all sides is important.
However, there is no guarantee, even from a creationist perspective, that animals were exactly the same in the garden of Eden. Ken Ham, a popular creationist, often says they were not.
Just thought i would reply to this what u said...........One thing I don't understand is the part when we read: "And they saw it was good to eat". How did they know it was good to eat if they haven't ate of it yet?."
What gets me is there eyes were not open yet so how could they see it was good for food?....either they could see they were naked before or not......if u can see the fruit is good, your eyes are obviously open.......or u can see something without them....which seems very weird
I've been looking at religion for about 20 years after considering what a friend of mine, an old chinese man once told me. That was that things can be seeing differently when looking at the same thing from a different perspective.
To illustrate his point, he showed me a cup and asked me to see it from different angles. It's true and it makes sense, because, different angles would make different locations and therefore views.
Why is it that when I read things I already read before I see something I didn't see before?. I figure that my chinese friend tried to tell me "perception".
Years later, at work, this african co worker had a book handy, it was one he used at the University. It's title was: "The Bible view as a philosofical subject".
If you read the bible as a christian, the perspective wouldn't be the same when read by someone who isn't, or at least ried to read it as if.
As if you aren't. A mormon woman told me that it is wrong to read the bible with the feeling of finding sense or trying to analizing it, christians are to accept without questioning the book as the truth and that is it, because it is, after all, the Word of God.
That's what she said as well as many others who follow that concept, but my problem is that, even among believer the interpretations are not the same. May be because each doctrine stays at one angle, only?.
The other day I had to work with this guy who was breaking my balls because I don't go to church. I didn't tell him that I'm anarchist, but instead I told him I study Taoism (There's no way I would say to him I'm anarchist in my own beliefs because I know I would more likely lose my job). Whatever the case, I went through so much in order to leave the church for this guy to put me back there, I don't think so.
Yes!, I believe in God, but not in the believers like that guy, specially him.
I see my quote so no need for you to make the effort ....like any normal person would do if their answering someone elses question, they usually quote the person, with the quote they are referring to....
But seeing you never attempted to answer my question anyway and i quote you "It doesn't mean that their eyes were literally opened as if they previously had them closed the entire time."
"What gets me is there eyes were not open yet so how could they see it was good for food?"
It isn't talking about their literal eyes.
Have you ever not understood something, then all of a sudden it's like a light is turned on? It's similar to that. Plus if they couldn't see anything, then they wouldn't have know what the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was. And how would Adam have been able to name all the animals or see Eve?
I quote you "It isn't talking about their literal eyes."
If it is not talking about "literal" eyes then not only did adam and eve not exist then nor did garden exist and nor did your god ....but we all know your god and book is so fake anyway
It is infact talking about "literal" eyes as they were naked when they saw and covered themselves, but seeing they knew and saw the fruit was pleasing to the eye .....they knew and saw they naked before hand .......the story is false from the offset
Thanks for showing that you are a atheist also :)
Its great how your book turns people atheist just by its absurdities alone :)
What evidence do you have to support the notion that it is in fact talking about their literal eyes? As I think you pointed out, Adam and Eve knew that they were naked before they at the fruit, but it wasn't until after they ate the fruit that they were ashamed of being naked (gen 2:25). Plus they would not have been able to see the fruit to eat it, or any fruit for that matter. Clearly they had their physical eyes open, but their spiritual eyes were shut like yours are.
1. The bible is not evidence of anything, so I dismiss it as having no evidence to support it
2. No such thing as spiritual eyes, their is a thing called physical eyes that you dont have ...maybe you should find some new eyes then you will not be so blind like your eyes are
I meant Biblical evidence in relation to the story, it is obvious that it is referring to a spiritual eye. Whether on exists or not, that Bible assumes it does, so you must take that into account when reading those verses.
2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. 2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem.
2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. 2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem.
LOL your replies are so weak first of all the 3 mistakes still stand.......8 or 18........you still have the 3 months and 10 days to account for ....so you may aswell admit defeat ...as you really are grabbing at straws just like i knew you would
Maybe you need something even more blatantly obvious to see that you are in a hallucination
your god sends exodus 9:3 "a very severe pestilence on the "LIVESTOCK" of egypt----->>>exodus 9:6---->>>"ALL the "LIVESTOCK" of egypt "DIED"---->>>exodus 9:19 bring your Livestock and whatever you have in the field to safety----->>>--->>>duh the livestock are dead remember you killed them all fake god exodus 9:6---->>>"ALL the LIVESTOCK" of egypt died----->>exodus 9:19 every person and BEAST that is found in the field when the hail comes down on them will die----->>
fake god remember you killed them all already the pestilence remember---->>exodus 9:6---->>>"ALL the LIVESTOCK" of egypt died----->>exodus 11:5 all the first born of the cattle will die-----errr duh fake god you wiped all the livestock out remember--->>exodus 9:6---->>>"ALL the LIVESTOCK" of egypt died --->>fake god fake book :)
Can you tell me the amount of time between the plagues? That fact that the Egyptians had livestock again may suggest that the hailstorm came months or a years after the previous plague.
Plus the Israelite livestock did not die and Israelites were slaves to Egypt, so if Egypt wanted their livestock they could have it. If I were Egypt at the time, I would have thought their animals were protected from the plague since none of them died.
"Can you tell me the amount of time between the plagues?"
Do you have evidence the plagues happened LOL LOL
Dont you think its time to examine your beliefs------>>the only one supporting it is yourself---->>as its not supporting you ------>>>remember faith is evidence for you---->>or in other words NO evidence
"So, unless what I have said is illogical, you have no ground to stand on regarding these verses."
I didn't answer your question primarily because I saw it as a way to ignore the fact that I may have been right regarding Exodus 9's textual "contradiction."
It would seem that you don't think anything in the Bible happened, perhaps even the Roman Empires rule 2000 years ago. So if you don't want to believe the Bible, then focus on your life and stop wasting your time watching Bible and antiBible videos
The other reason is because it does not matter what I say, I can not change you
If God is perfect, there can be no disequilibrium. There is nothing he needs, nothing he desires, and nothing he must or will do. A God who is perfect does nothing except exist.
A perfect creator God is impossible.A perfect God who creates imperfect humans is impossible.
A perfectly compassionate being who creates beings which he knows are doomed to suffer is impossible
No, I am not adding words, that would result in the change of meaning. I am not changing the meaning or the message.
It is obvious that these events would take longer than the few minutes it takes to read them. Being that you do not believe in God, you must believe in logic. So, unless what I have said is illogical, you have no ground to stand on regarding these verses.
Scripture interprets Scripture, because it says that they could see before they ate the fruit, then their physical eyes were open already, thus it is their spiritual eyes that were opened to the sin they had committed against God. The similar is true with the salvation story of people today, they were blind, but now they see.
When a man has once brought himself to accept uncritically all the absurdities that religious doctrines put before him and even to overlook the contradictions between them, we need not be greatly surprised at the weakness of his intellect.
Enjoy your man made book of claims, lies, and absurdities :)
I love how you claim that the book is oh so perfect but then say
"Unless you have never rounded a number, a difference of 10 days isn't that big of a deal and it doesn't make it a contradiction"
I take it you didnt see the 10 year difference let alone the 3 months added difference in the quote i gave you earlier, you only saw just the 10 days......just shows how blind you are :) lets post it again see if you see this time
I am a pretty bad reader, but where does it say 10 years in 2 Chronicles 36:9 and 2 Kings 24:8? I looked pretty hard and I don't see it in these 2 verses. And it says he was 18 in both, I am confused. Do you mean different verses? I may have missed something.
Fuck me this is tedious LET ME SPELL IT OUT REAL BIG
2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was "EIGHTEEN" years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem "THREE MONTHS". 2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was EIGHT years old when he began to reign, and he reigned "THREE MONTHS" and "TEN DAYS" in Jerusalem.
GET YOURSELF SOME NEW EYES THOSE SPIRITUAL ONES YOU SAID YOU HAD HAVE NOT ONLY FUCKED UP YOUR SIGHT BUT YOUR BRAIN ALSO
I was looking at the NIV where it actually says 18 for both. You are right, it says 8 and 18 in different translations
2 Chronicles 36:9
9 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months and ten days. He did evil in the eyes of the LORD.
2 Kings 24:8
Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. His mother's name was Nehushta daughter of Elnathan; she was from Jerusalem.
To be fair, I never said that the Bible we have today is perfect, nor did I deny it. I don't understand why you jump to conclusions based on presuppositions of someone you have never met.
How about acknowledging the mistakes :) accepting your book is so fake...it doesnt agree with itself and stop juggling and grasping onto anything
Im sure if you wrote a letter and made mistakes you would be quick to acknowledge them and even correct the i hope
Until you acknowledge the mistakes and stop juggling around......you will see you are under a very false premise (you should see that by the lengths you go to hide things)
never a truer word been spoken "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe---->>>you just cant admit the mistake i gave you
so sad and so blind you are....you cant even acknowledge even a simple mistake.....of a book claiming to be perfect......which it is not
What makes even less sense is that people believe, and I quote: "God taught us right from wrong" when this story tells the exact opposite. Another thing that's commonly believed is, quote: "Atheism is ignorance" unquote, which this story again contradicts.
Yeah the whole "Bible teaches morals" thing is built on ignorance of the Bible... in "The Star Wars Illustrated Bible" I actually compared our loving father to Emperor Palpatine... lol
You know... I was going to blast this video... But there's nothing I can say that would be correct in proving you wrong.
I wonder however, if you are slanting things to prove your own point. It wouldn't be anything new, as every person that's ever tried to prove a point has slanted the facts just a little in their favor.
But as it stands now.. You sir, might be at least "not wrong" I can't say you're right, but I can't say you're wrong either... Good argument.
Well I'm glad that you found the video thought provoking!
If you believe that I have slanted anything, please look up the passages I have mentioned, as well as the context around them, and make your own decision.
yes thats true the anti christ will come soon..but he dont have the power to do a miracle he will just controll this world thats satan..let see for the coming of christ is great tribulation all the people will tremble for His mighty power for the anti christ sorry you will not enherit the kingdom of God.but there still a time and hope for you just trust Him
because adam and eve fall into sin God sent Jesus christ here on earth not to destroy this world but to save the people here on earth see He sacrifice His life for us i tell you this your life is meaningless without the christ just follow Him trust Him
we need christ if you trust Him everything will be alright PROMISE..
"we need christ to be save..because God curse us!"
Exactly. Don't you see how hypocritical this is? Adam and Eve gained consciousness. If it weren't for their "evil sin", you and I would be dumb unintelligent animals.
But God was afraid of this. He knew, and admitted that we were too powerful, even as powerful as a God, because we because sentient beings.
So he alone took away eternal life. If we follow Jesus, most will fall to hell, not because of sin, but because of God.
God is afraid of us because His relation with us will be broken because He loves us so much
because God created us He wants us to obey Him praise Him worship Him then we dont have to worrie what clothes to wear what food to it He will provide all we need.then suddenly eve fall into temptation she ate the fruite and gave to her husband then theyr minds opened
thats it God curse them until now we have that curse you need christ to take away that curse in ur life
But why do you need Christ to give you eternal life, when the passage makes it clear that the only reason Adam and Eve could not eat from the tree of life is because God but an angel to block the way?
It's funny though, because I don't see anyone talking against certain disciplines which I study; ZEN, Taoism, I ching and Feng Shui, except for a few christians to the point in which I can recall one video clip, here in YouTube who claims that Buddha is in hell.
As soon as you start to conceptualize, you set up duality. One becomes two: You the thinker and the idea or concept you are thinking about. Then comes further division:
An interesting belief system, argent2020, but this channel is devoted to pointing out the obvious to Christians who think they are doing the right thing but in reality are not.
On one hand I have such quote from the Bible to consider, and on the other I, just like you, have the right to point out.... the obvious.
I just wonder if one could be justified when acting upon ignorance?. I study law and I'm aware of the Ignorantia juris non excusat. But that is Men's Law, by the people and for the people.
I have read all of Mat 7. The thing is, i don't actually claim to be a Christian myself, so I am not bound by Jesus' commandments any longer. I am free to point out others hypocrisy, but according to Jesus, they are not free to point out mine. It's actually quite amusing....
Perhaps & actually, it may be quite amusing like you said, & after all, as someone I knew once pointed out: "Church is like a circus and the so called christians are like clowns".
Anyway, a person may not be a christian even when claiming to be so and therefore is no more than a clown or a christian wanna be. Perhaps, you may be a non christian wanna be, just like me.
Who is to say if we are both "righteous" wanna be?.
To make it short (In case the other message I posted it's waiting approval or something in the like).
There are people without a clue of why they're saved to the point that they even ask.
Jesus responded and that was it. There is no mention of these people claiming to be christians. They were, in deed, righteous and kind to the "true" followers of Christ.
I'm glad to have found someone who shares my viewpoint! It gets depressing to hear the same baseless rhetoric droned on by enslaved Christians (see the comments below for example).
I also view Satan as a rebellious hero, especially that God is such an egotistical liar, who slaughters his enemies while pretending to be peaceful and righteous.
Good job! It's great to find others who can think critically. For me, the question is not whether God exists, but whether I would follow him anyway... and clearly he is not worthy of our worship.
God has a purpose for evil, it is a part of his creative decree, and evil works for the glory of God even as does good:)
No, suicide isnt what Jesus did. Suicide is when you kill yourself, but laying down your life is not the same as killing yourself, it is laying it down for your friends, for his people:)NOT SUICIDE, in which you die for yourself.
How did he turn someone else into a sinner? I don't get that question.
1. Jesus knew he was about to be killed and could have stopped it.
This was not an example of jumping in front of a bullet, because whether Jesus saved you from the bullet is contingent upon whether you pray to God.
If he had stoped a bullet like you say, we would be saved even if we were evil.
2. Jesus knew Judas would betray him, and even encouraged him to do so at the last supper, telling him to go do it quickly. He therefore caused Judas to sin.
Actually, God has chosen a particular people to save in Christ Jesus, I am saved because he bore my sins on that tree(cross).
No, he didn't encourage the evil, the betrayel, he told him to do what he has come to do, for he know what he would do before he did it, thus the scriptures were fulfilled by what happend, I just find it funny how you eisegetically interpret the Bible, you would fail in Bible college.
And Jesus wasnt killed on a cross,.. it was on a pole. That was the traditional way to execute "criminals" in those times. The cross refers to the Crux constellation,.. thats something else entirely.
I know i'd fail in biblecollege, but not because of ignorance on my part. You can laugh about it, but thats your ignorance, again not mine.
You know why the sacrifice is full of shit? Its really simple, and every Jew knows about it, as well as anyone that understands the Torah.
Sorry, Jehovah Witnesses are wrong. Tradition tells us that it was a cross but more importantly so DOES THE NEW TESTAMENT!!!! The Greek word "Stauros" for cross, can be translated tree, but also refers to a cross in the New Testament:)
Actually the cross was a traditional way to execute criminals, and the Biblical text says that Jesus had 2 nails in each hand, if it was a pole he would only have 1 nail through both hands, not two. Praise Jesus who died for me who am unworthy!
Amen, I am unworthy. Praise my worthy Lord Jesus, my God and Saviour.
"This we must know know and believe it; acknowledging and adoring the depth, when we cannot find the bottom." (Matthew Henry's Concice commentary 5:1 on John 10-28-42).
The hebrew scriptures contradict the christian belief that sin can be passed onto offspring. Born sinners do not exist, for they cannot be blamed for Adams sin.
And it wasnt even Adam who ate the fruit first, go figure you retard!
No sir, your taking verses out of context, the way you explain it now is called "EISEGESIS", it is when you read too far INTO the context and add to what its saying by your own interpretation, and when people do this they fail Bible college.
The proper way of studying is EXEGESIS, a critical explenation with historical context and context, and those verses are only saying that you wont be PUNISHED for the sin of your parents,which is true! you are punished for your own sin.
OOh we're using fancy words so we can sound impressive now! And by the way, I think you just confirmed Kaan's argument so you may want to rethink what you wrote.
No sir, theres a difference between being punished, or being judged for what someone else did, and being judge for what you do.
For who's fault is it if you sin? yours. Not your parents, thats what Ezekiel 18:20 is saying, it is in no way against original sin.
We are judged for our own sins, God's not gonna judge you by saying, your father sinned, you are now going to hell for what your father did, no, but by what you do.
EXEGESIS. I think in Spanish would be ermeneútica.
That subject class is a must in any given Seminary or Bible college, it kind of makes the student to go back in time and have that mentality in order to get a clear understanding of why the system of things were just as they were back then in bible times. For instance: "No mercy!".
Jesus changed all of that: "Love God and be kind to thy neighbor".
He might not listen, but he has heard. There are some neurons affected by that little piece of information, and he cannot discard what his brain has established.
We dont control our brains, we merely follow what it tells us to do. Repetition is the key to conditioning any piece of information into a persons mind.
I dont expect instant conversions, its merely preprogramming a new set of data into someones brain. Sooner or later the brain will reach out for it, and start using it.
You are in error. The law of God condemns sin, and by mans sin, the laws judges the man, and from that judgement comes the penalty of death. For the wages of sin are death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ the Lord.
The law was already the judge of all men, and he will save his people from their sins(Matthew 1:21).
You just ignore the Biblical text, like I said, you would fail in Bible college.
I think that's actually a very good example. I've been reading your comments and you do a very good job of defending your faith. I thank God for people who can stand up for Christianity like you. God bless.
I don't know why you would want to worship one who has personally commanded Genocide on multiple occasions, and then tells us he is the source of love, and in fact it is *us* who are evil!.
Your video is proving an a truth that you have been called to find. Find it!!
MrCarllauren 1 month ago
We offend two Gods. The Living God and the God of the flesh. The living God does not like our situation in our mortal and sinful form. But the Living Father loves us. We are better than the Flesh God and trapped here in our sinful bodies that he has put us in. Jesus is not of the Flesh God, but of the Living God. Jesus is a Son of God. Jesus is not the Christ. The Christ is of the Flesh God. Jesus was the serpent in the Garden of Eden. Christianity is not of the Living God.
MrCarllauren 1 month ago
It dosnt matter who created who .
If I made a robot to do my evils deeds .
I will be afraid that the robot will learn the differents between good and evil .
we are good - God is evil .
we are weak - God is all mighty
( we lose )
THE END
BenderOfMusic 4 months ago
Thanks for making it so simple .
God is a lier ( He even admits it ) .
Yes he is afraid of us .
But God is all mighty and will always get his way (Might is right)
Assuming that the bible is true then I dont want any part of this God .
I will see all of you good honest Intelligent people in hell .
Only the dum evil people are going to stay in God's Kingdom .
Amen.
BenderOfMusic 4 months ago
0177231064 6 months ago
GOD is afraid of "us"?
points to know..
1) The Almighty God creates everything, know everything (limitless). IF God afraid of us, why did God "is" God in the first place? Isn't that a clash there?
2) God's is not bounded with "humanlike" limitation. Human will rot, dude. We all gonna die. And Captain42x come up with "God is afraid of us"?? Thats not tricky at all. That is wack, far beyond.
3) humankind can't live without oxygen in few minutes, 6-7 minute average.
Need I say more?
0177231064 6 months ago
Greetings & Salutaions to all =)
I believe in The Almighty God,
God creates everything, gives me everything that I have, myself, oxygen, apportunity to taste the good & the bad while I'm here on earth, give my my mother, my father, family & all that I have.
Everything! ~ Don't be arrogant against God The Almighty..
What else that we need as a proof?
Sincerely I'm a Muslim.
I'll post other comment, check it out God lovers!!!!
Open your eyes Captain42x! Please....
0177231064 6 months ago
Wouldn't it have been more convenient for Adam and Eve to eat from the Fruit from the tree of life? From the serpents point of view of course.
LEON951 11 months ago
2 Esdras:
[18] For there was a time in this age when I was preparing for those who now exist, before the world was made for them to dwell in, and no one opposed me then, for no one existed;
[19] but now those who have been created in this world which is supplied both with an unfailing table and an inexhaustible pasture, have become corrupt in their ways.
this moment existed in the mind of God before the inception of the universe
before you were a man you were but a thought
stupaod 1 year ago
why would God place the tree in the center of the garden and make Adam and Eve aware of it, if he was so afraid of us eating it?
why would God make us aware of these things in His scripture if He was threatened by us?
do you really believe that the creator of all we know to be reality, transcending space and time would not be aware of your interpretation
He has given you the room to believe He is afraid of you which will later be a judgment against you
stupaod 1 year ago
God is afraid of us? Uh, no. Not in the least.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
I wish I had your understanding of the Bible. You're good.
GinnyStoleMyMan 1 year ago
lol its funny. because education is one reason why people stop believing idiotic ideas from religion
bevon17 1 year ago
Amusing bible-study :P
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
Why was Adam ans Eve ashamed of their nakedness?
Jman3000 1 year ago
Funny, I've read a verse saying Satan can't tell the truth but God agrees with Satan. Who's who? Have you read Deuteronomy 32:8-9? It states God divided man, some say the Most High is another God but that's another discussion, his share was Israel. God divides man, assuming he is the Most High from a theists prespective, and chooses a nation of people and gets anrgy at other people who do not worship him because he choose not to be their God. Yeah.
HybridD91 1 year ago
look up the qur'an creation story...before man was created God informs the angels that He will create man and put him as a vice regent on Earth. And the angels ask why a vice regent will be someone who will spill blood. Than He teaches Adam certain things that the angels know not of. If u see the story u notice that God intended to teach man about good and evil(spilling blood) before man was even created. So one might say that it was all His plan(paradise lost). Why? we will understand one day
MrLaufer777 1 year ago
Hell will be full of these sorts of fools. So sad.
EDMAXWELL2005 2 years ago
You sound quite arrogant, EDMAX! Surely you read what Jesus said about those who judge others and call them "fools"!
I will be seeing you in hell, friend!!!
Mat 7:1-7
Captain42x 2 years ago
LOL The Creator of the universe, afraid of His creation! God, the Father is doing a work on this planet to show the fallen angels HIS AUTHORITY & the fact that He KNOWS BEST. just look at how the world runs when God is left out, war, theft, perversion, poverty, greed, envy, the list is to long to name. He is doing a WONDERFUL work to teach HIS Children a lesson they will never forget, He is Sovereign LORD & His Wisdom is FAR above any of His created being, be it angleic, or flesh. I praise HIM
EDMAXWELL2005 2 years ago
Do not many children become far greater than their parents?
And further, the list of violent and torturous things that god ordered in the OT is also too long to name.
Captain42x 2 years ago
Interesting Isnt it true in older belife the snake reprsented wisdom ?
fallbread 2 years ago
Yes, the Christian gnostics seemed to think so, but that got them burned for heresy!
I find their theology quite interesting though.
Captain42x 2 years ago
i agree i find it quite interesting too
fallbread 2 years ago
God is not afraid of us. He would be disappointed to us people if we fail listening to Him. Cause He gave us choices. We can choose right or wrong. He wants to see who really loves Him, The Creator and Father. Life is a test. But since Satan is around that would make everything difficult.
lufffy 2 years ago
"He wants to see who really loves Him, The Creator and Father. Life is a test."
lufffy, I was under the impression that God is all-knowing, meaning that he already knows who will love him and who will not.
What is the point of a test when God already knows exactly what the result will be?
Captain42x 2 years ago
"Furthermore they did not die."?
- But didn't they die? Before they eat the fruit there was no death. After they eat the fruit, death became a 'part of life'.
"Satans telling Adam and Eve that they would be 'like God' was a worded deception. They could not be 'exactly like God'. Satan was only 'partially honest' with Adam and Eve. It's like telling a man in a cold Air-plane to jump outside of it and he will feel the warmth of the outdoors. Does the man feel warmer? Yes... will he die? yes.
JessicaLachance 2 years ago
"Before they eat the fruit there was no death."
Show me where the bible says this.
Captain42x 2 years ago
You said that God did not say: "You will become mortal and die later" but I don't see where you get that from: "you will surely die."
See... If they were going to die... it would not be a consequence. God said:
"IF YOU EAT OF IT you will surely die" - We can then assume that if they did not eat of it 'THEY WOULD NOT DIE'.
God didn't say you'll "DIE IMMEDIATELY" God said that as a consequence of eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they 'would die'
JessicaLachance 2 years ago
1. You did not respond to my comment.
2. Nobody had eternal life because god hadn't let them eat from the tree of life to "live forever".
Captain42x 2 years ago
I would have to ask you then where you think God didn't allow them to eat from the tree of life to 'live forever'.
When God said only 1 tree was off limits, that was the tree of knowledge, God at no point stopped Adam and Eve from eating of the Tree of life 'before' eating from the tree of knowledge.
The fact that God prevented them from going to the tree of life 'after' disobeying him tells me that they had access to it 'before' disobeying.
JessicaLachance 2 years ago
(Continuing from my previous reply)
If they were going to die anyway, then 'death' would not be a direct consequence of eating from the tree. But since death was a direct consequence, they would not have died without disobeying.
How do you know they did not eat from the tree of life and have eternal life before throwing it away in the eating of the tree of knowledge?
JessicaLachance 2 years ago
This isn't my discussion but I would just like to point out to Jessica, that you are going on about whether Adam and Eve did or didn't eat from the tree of life and speculating the technicalities of the effects of consuming from the tree of life.
You are saying that the fruit from the tree of knowledge TRUMPS the fruit from the tree of life. In saying that you are also saying that you can either live forever and not know good or bad OR you can live for a limited time ALBEIT with knowledge.
ImTheMostViewed 2 years ago
(1st continuation)
Don't you think that if indeed Adam and Eve have the chance to eat from it before or actually did, that it would be mentioned? Such an essential detail would be included but it is not. Why? Because God saying "you will surely die" in that context is threatening.
If someone comes to you and says, "dont eat that pie, you will surely die" you will not even think for a second "oh this is tricky....perhaps im being told I will die eventually, so I will go ahead and eat the pie".
ImTheMostViewed 2 years ago
(2nd Continuation)
Of course not, in the context of the question there is CAUSE and EFFECT which would require vague speculative reasoning to consider that the effect is NOT linked inextricably to the cause.
Besides this, the serpent doesn't lie about "becoming like God". After all, God does later take the tree of life away so man isn't entirely like God!
ImTheMostViewed 2 years ago
(3rd continuation)
And this puts God's almighty will into question, why when being able to grant mankind with knowledge and eternal life would a benevolent, perfect and complete being put a knowingly corruptible and deceivable being next to a tree that grant's it knowledge?
If God knows everything, and if we are made in his image, he then surely knew Adam and Eve would consume from it, no?
ImTheMostViewed 2 years ago
(4th continuation)
But I guess then you would tell me that we can't understand God's will and we must respect it, but if God is sold by the Bible and by the Church to be benevolent then I suppose there are different kinds of benevolence because so much suffering and pain would not go around in the world in the land created by a benevolent being!
ImTheMostViewed 2 years ago
if god is so powerful why is there a strugle with good and evil.?
sirnicholson 2 years ago
And if we know good and bad, as Adam and Eved ate from the tree of knowledge, shouldn't our idea of benevolence be just as good as God's?
There are so many incongruencies in the Bible and in the Quran as well that I've developed the idea that there is no God, at least not as portrayed by any religion.
And I think this is evident to any free thinking, un-God-fearing, rational person.
ImTheMostViewed 2 years ago
THE GOD(s) S are not afraid of Us ( IN any WAY).as they are so advanced over Us ...... THE have THE POWER and WISDOM and I believe birthed Us ..even in the middle( LORD of the RINGS has a many parallels) of a WAR ( OVER each persons SOUL) the unselfish BEINGS shared LIFe with us ..as they DID .. THe BENEVOLENT (and loyal) on one side .... AND REBELS ( WANT To RULE( BE GOD)) on the other side .. THESE BEINGs ....have ALWAYS EXISTED . and can move through dimensions ... .
mandolinjoe 2 years ago
believe that the "GARDEN OF EDEN" was a BLISSFUL (see no evil hear no evil touch no evil) STATE of MIND)and loyalty..and when adam & eve became aware that they could determine their OWn DESTINY ..they MOveD OUT of darkness . into a perception of the whole PICTURE It wasnt THEIR CHOICE ..but GOD(S) made them to BE in OUR IMAGE and Likenes (but I will SERVE ) because I respect the fact that this world (had to HAVE) OUTSIDE INVENTION...and some amount of sharing of DNA......
mandolinjoe 2 years ago
You know what gets me? People take it with a grain of salt that Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden because they sinned and that mortality was a result of this sin. Yet Genesis makes it perfectly clear that sin had nothing to do with their expulsion, and strongly indicates that Adam and Eve were NEVER immortal: God kicked 'em out because he was afraid they'd eat from the other tree and become immortal as well as knowledgeable. Kind of hard to become something you already are!
CommanderSquidlet 2 years ago
"Yet Genesis makes it perfectly clear that sin had nothing to do with their expulsion...God kicked 'em out because he was afraid they'd eat from the other tree and become immortal as well as knowledgeable"
Exactly. This puts a huge wedge through the whole Christian doctrine doesn't it? If God wanted us to have eternal life, he would not have sent his son to die, he simply would have let us back in the Garden.
God is the ONLY factor preventing us from eating from the second tree!
Captain42x 2 years ago
They were not onmortal. See, you can't be inmortal and then mortal. O better yet: "Eternal". Is either you are eternal or not. They weren't. We are mortals because we know that eventually we're going to die because God only allows us to leave no more than 120 years. That tree of life is planted somewhere in the Universe, but God will bring it back so that people who made it will be allow to eat of and then, become "eternal".
I would love to be eternal!!!.
argent2020 2 years ago
@CommanderSquidlet God didn't want man to be forever evil. God had to restore them to righteousness, It is then when he lets them have life. In actuality all men will live for ever once we die to this body, we are eternal beings. However, unless one is restored to God through the blood of the Lamb, their wickedness will be punished as long as they live. Not because God is afraid of them, but because He is disgusted with their sin.
Jman3000 1 year ago
Let alone the whole fact of them not knowing good and evil, thus they could not have known it would be "evil" to disobey God.
It really does seem to be that God wasn't punishing Adam and Eve for disobeying him, but that he was exiling them as they had grown beyond his control and were now a potential threat to something he held dear.
Elitistb616 2 years ago
Great analysis
Captain42x 2 years ago
The part I've never understood is the "You will surely die". Adam and Eve could have had no concept of death. There is never any mention of death occurring in the garden of eden, and thus they could not have known what that word meant.
It would be like me saying "Don't touch this button, as it will cause barfnazzle." What kind of threat is that? I don't know what barfnazzle means, so why should I be concerned about it?
Elitistb616 2 years ago
I asked the same question to a JWT's and he said that Adam & Eve knew what death was because they saw the anials dying.
One thing I don't understand is the part when we read: "And they saw it was good to eat". How did they know it was good to eat if they haven't ate of it yet?."
argent2020 2 years ago
I don't recall anywhere in the genesis story dealing with Eden that talked about animals dying, and humans typically don't really consider eating plants to be killing them (see most vegetarians for an example).
Elitistb616 2 years ago
I agree. Did they eat animals?. I know there's a part where it mentions that even the animals could be use as a source of food.
Too bad I don't have a Bible with me at this time to look for that.
argent2020 2 years ago
Then God said, Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food
There is no mention of meat consumption.
Elitistb616 2 years ago
You're right, there isn't. I'm trying though to find that part when this guy, many years ago, when I visited his church (Free will baptist) showed us (we were several Dudes) in the Bible. It sounds like the one you mention.
I believed he mentioned livestock, and he asked us, what's livestock for if it isn't for food?.
I remember he did say that.
argent2020 2 years ago
I don't really recall the bible referring to those animals as "livestock". Thus they are just "animals" with no special purpose.
Elitistb616 2 years ago
I'll look into once I get a chance to see if I can find what he showed us.
On the other hand, someone else, this was in college, mentioned that carnivors have eyes in the front, and humans aren't the exception to that. Well?, I started to look into that and it appears to be true. Cats, dogs, etc have eyes in the front and are in deed carnivors. On the other hand, I look at deers, and they do, in deed have eyes in the side (being herbivors).
argent2020 2 years ago
Eye position is an evolutionary adaptation, and it isn't universally true (some lizards, many insects, etc). I assume you mean just mammals from you examples. For predators, being able to judge distance to your target is important. For herbivores, being able to locate predators from all sides is important.
However, there is no guarantee, even from a creationist perspective, that animals were exactly the same in the garden of Eden. Ken Ham, a popular creationist, often says they were not.
Elitistb616 2 years ago
Just thought i would reply to this what u said...........One thing I don't understand is the part when we read: "And they saw it was good to eat". How did they know it was good to eat if they haven't ate of it yet?."
What gets me is there eyes were not open yet so how could they see it was good for food?....either they could see they were naked before or not......if u can see the fruit is good, your eyes are obviously open.......or u can see something without them....which seems very weird
devante11 2 years ago
I've been looking at religion for about 20 years after considering what a friend of mine, an old chinese man once told me. That was that things can be seeing differently when looking at the same thing from a different perspective.
To illustrate his point, he showed me a cup and asked me to see it from different angles. It's true and it makes sense, because, different angles would make different locations and therefore views.
He then said to me: "Exactly".
argent2020 2 years ago
Why is it that when I read things I already read before I see something I didn't see before?. I figure that my chinese friend tried to tell me "perception".
Years later, at work, this african co worker had a book handy, it was one he used at the University. It's title was: "The Bible view as a philosofical subject".
If you read the bible as a christian, the perspective wouldn't be the same when read by someone who isn't, or at least ried to read it as if.
argent2020 2 years ago
As if you aren't. A mormon woman told me that it is wrong to read the bible with the feeling of finding sense or trying to analizing it, christians are to accept without questioning the book as the truth and that is it, because it is, after all, the Word of God.
That's what she said as well as many others who follow that concept, but my problem is that, even among believer the interpretations are not the same. May be because each doctrine stays at one angle, only?.
argent2020 2 years ago
The other day I had to work with this guy who was breaking my balls because I don't go to church. I didn't tell him that I'm anarchist, but instead I told him I study Taoism (There's no way I would say to him I'm anarchist in my own beliefs because I know I would more likely lose my job). Whatever the case, I went through so much in order to leave the church for this guy to put me back there, I don't think so.
Yes!, I believe in God, but not in the believers like that guy, specially him.
argent2020 2 years ago
@devante11 It doesn't mean that their eyes were literally opened as if they previously had them closed the entire time.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000
I see my quote so no need for you to make the effort ....like any normal person would do if their answering someone elses question, they usually quote the person, with the quote they are referring to....
But seeing you never attempted to answer my question anyway and i quote you "It doesn't mean that their eyes were literally opened as if they previously had them closed the entire time."
What you gave was a non answer on a epic scale
devante11 1 year ago
@Jman3000
But what is closed and is then opened is indeed closed to start with ----->>basic logic
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11 Excuse me for my error.
"What gets me is there eyes were not open yet so how could they see it was good for food?"
It isn't talking about their literal eyes.
Have you ever not understood something, then all of a sudden it's like a light is turned on? It's similar to that. Plus if they couldn't see anything, then they wouldn't have know what the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was. And how would Adam have been able to name all the animals or see Eve?
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000
I quote you "It isn't talking about their literal eyes."
If it is not talking about "literal" eyes then not only did adam and eve not exist then nor did garden exist and nor did your god ....but we all know your god and book is so fake anyway
(cont)
devante11 1 year ago
@Jman3000
It is infact talking about "literal" eyes as they were naked when they saw and covered themselves, but seeing they knew and saw the fruit was pleasing to the eye .....they knew and saw they naked before hand .......the story is false from the offset
Thanks for showing that you are a atheist also :)
Its great how your book turns people atheist just by its absurdities alone :)
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11
What evidence do you have to support the notion that it is in fact talking about their literal eyes? As I think you pointed out, Adam and Eve knew that they were naked before they at the fruit, but it wasn't until after they ate the fruit that they were ashamed of being naked (gen 2:25). Plus they would not have been able to see the fruit to eat it, or any fruit for that matter. Clearly they had their physical eyes open, but their spiritual eyes were shut like yours are.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000
What evidence do I have????
1. The bible is not evidence of anything, so I dismiss it as having no evidence to support it
2. No such thing as spiritual eyes, their is a thing called physical eyes that you dont have ...maybe you should find some new eyes then you will not be so blind like your eyes are
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11
I meant Biblical evidence in relation to the story, it is obvious that it is referring to a spiritual eye. Whether on exists or not, that Bible assumes it does, so you must take that into account when reading those verses.
Jman3000 1 year ago
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@Jman3000
2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. 2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem.
devante11 1 year ago
@Jman3000
Enjoy your man made book of lies and absurdities :)
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11
Don't have one to those
Jman3000 1 year ago
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@Jman3000
2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. 2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem.
devante11 1 year ago
@Jman3000
LOL your replies are so weak first of all the 3 mistakes still stand.......8 or 18........you still have the 3 months and 10 days to account for ....so you may aswell admit defeat ...as you really are grabbing at straws just like i knew you would
Maybe you need something even more blatantly obvious to see that you are in a hallucination
devante11 1 year ago
@Jman3000
"I don't understand why you jump to conclusions based on presuppositions of someone you have never met."
I think one of your posts gave it all away quote of yours below where you stand
"but their spiritual eyes were shut like yours are."
(cont)
devante11 1 year ago
your god sends exodus 9:3 "a very severe pestilence on the "LIVESTOCK" of egypt----->>>exodus 9:6---->>>"ALL the "LIVESTOCK" of egypt "DIED"---->>>exodus 9:19 bring your Livestock and whatever you have in the field to safety----->>>--->>>duh the livestock are dead remember you killed them all fake god exodus 9:6---->>>"ALL the LIVESTOCK" of egypt died----->>exodus 9:19 every person and BEAST that is found in the field when the hail comes down on them will die----->>
devante11 1 year ago
@Jman3000
(cont)
fake god remember you killed them all already the pestilence remember---->>exodus 9:6---->>>"ALL the LIVESTOCK" of egypt died----->>exodus 11:5 all the first born of the cattle will die-----errr duh fake god you wiped all the livestock out remember--->>exodus 9:6---->>>"ALL the LIVESTOCK" of egypt died --->>fake god fake book :)
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11
Can you tell me the amount of time between the plagues? That fact that the Egyptians had livestock again may suggest that the hailstorm came months or a years after the previous plague.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000
Plus the Israelite livestock did not die and Israelites were slaves to Egypt, so if Egypt wanted their livestock they could have it. If I were Egypt at the time, I would have thought their animals were protected from the plague since none of them died.
Jman3000 1 year ago
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@Jman3000
"Can you tell me the amount of time between the plagues?"
Do you have evidence the plagues happened LOL LOL
Dont you think its time to examine your beliefs------>>the only one supporting it is yourself---->>as its not supporting you ------>>>remember faith is evidence for you---->>or in other words NO evidence
"So, unless what I have said is illogical, you have no ground to stand on regarding these verses."
I do......faith is illogical :)
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11
We are not talking about whether the Bible is true, but examining the text itself for contradictions. Stay on topic.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000
well atleast i answer your question, did you find mine to hard?
"Let me ask you this, how has faith betrayed you? "
betrayed me???? something I dont go on cant betray me LOL LOL
Evidence and reason has never betrayed me and will always stand on it and I will never cross that line :)
As I said enjoy your fairytale and delusion
I dismiss you as i dimiss your belief
what can be asserted with no proof can be dismissed with no proof
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11
I didn't answer your question primarily because I saw it as a way to ignore the fact that I may have been right regarding Exodus 9's textual "contradiction."
It would seem that you don't think anything in the Bible happened, perhaps even the Roman Empires rule 2000 years ago. So if you don't want to believe the Bible, then focus on your life and stop wasting your time watching Bible and antiBible videos
The other reason is because it does not matter what I say, I can not change you
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000
You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe
It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring
The point remains: the presence of imperfections in the universe disproves the supposed perfection of its creator.
You are so blind you dont even see that ...thus it does not matter what I say, I can not change you
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11
We live in a fallen universe, declining from perfection day by day. That is what we see and that is what the Bible says.
I guess you want to leave me with my "delusion." that is fine. It was nice talking with you have a nice day.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000
If God is perfect, there can be no disequilibrium. There is nothing he needs, nothing he desires, and nothing he must or will do. A God who is perfect does nothing except exist.
A perfect creator God is impossible.A perfect God who creates imperfect humans is impossible.
A perfectly compassionate being who creates beings which he knows are doomed to suffer is impossible
devante11 1 year ago
@Jman3000
A perfectly just God who sentences his imperfect creation to infinite punishment for finite sins is impossible
A God who knows the future is powerless to change it. An omniscient God who is all-powerful and freewilled is impossible
An omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect God who experiences emotion is impossible.
devante11 1 year ago
@Jman3000
All your posts have been deluded and dumb and delusional
"We live in a fallen universe, declining from perfection day by day."
Nothing declines and nothing falls if created perfect by a perfect being
The point remains: the presence of imperfections in the universe disproves the supposed perfection of its creator.
Enjoy your Delusion :)
devante11 1 year ago
@Jman3000
Have fun in your delusion and fairytale :)
devante11 1 year ago
@Jman3000
All i can say is enjoy your fairytale ------>>and enjoy your delusion
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11
So there are no contradiction in exodus 9, it is just a fairytale?
Let me ask you this, how has faith betrayed you?
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000
I see you like writing your own bible LOL do you fancy adding your own words into the story......I see you liked to as it makes no sense to you
Lets see what did it say again......oh yes do not add or take away from my words, take it as it stands or it means nothing at all :)
Your doing a fine job of debunking your own book for me ...I think I will just step back and let you do that :)
I think the best thing you can do is get out of your bloody thirsty cult :)
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11
No, I am not adding words, that would result in the change of meaning. I am not changing the meaning or the message.
It is obvious that these events would take longer than the few minutes it takes to read them. Being that you do not believe in God, you must believe in logic. So, unless what I have said is illogical, you have no ground to stand on regarding these verses.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000
2 simple questions why do you hang to a belief that is clearly false ?? :)
Why do you hang to a belief that has no evidence?
Gosh this is tedious
exodus 9:3 ...the LORD will bring a terrible plague on your livestock in the field.------- >>>>>>this is the threat
ALL livestock died it was totally wiped out a livestock that is not there cant be killed a second time or a 3rd or a 4th time
I do hope you know your wasting your time....for things you have no evidence for
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11
We are not talking about whether what I believe is true, but whether there is contradiction in the text.
Remember the original language was Hebrew, their thought process is a little different than ours.
"All the livestock of the Egyptians died" is referring to all the livestock in the field. It is not hard to see, and is not insane to think about.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@devante11
i found another explanation
exodus 9:1 ...the LORD will bring a terrible plague on your livestock in the field.
so the livestock mentioned later are the livestock that did not die in the field.
When it says "All the livestock of the Egyptians died" it is referring to the livestock in the field
Jman3000 1 year ago
@devante11
Scripture interprets Scripture, because it says that they could see before they ate the fruit, then their physical eyes were open already, thus it is their spiritual eyes that were opened to the sin they had committed against God. The similar is true with the salvation story of people today, they were blind, but now they see.
Jman3000 1 year ago
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@Jman3000
2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months.
2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem.
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11
What is your point about 2 Kings 24:8 and 2 Chronicles 36:9?
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000
When a man has once brought himself to accept uncritically all the absurdities that religious doctrines put before him and even to overlook the contradictions between them, we need not be greatly surprised at the weakness of his intellect.
Enjoy your man made book of claims, lies, and absurdities :)
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11
Unless you have never rounded a number, a difference of 10 days isn't that big of a deal and it doesn't make it a contradiction.
Do you think that the entire book is full of "claims, lies and absurdities?"
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000
I love how you claim that the book is oh so perfect but then say
"Unless you have never rounded a number, a difference of 10 days isn't that big of a deal and it doesn't make it a contradiction"
I take it you didnt see the 10 year difference let alone the 3 months added difference in the quote i gave you earlier, you only saw just the 10 days......just shows how blind you are :) lets post it again see if you see this time
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11
I am a pretty bad reader, but where does it say 10 years in 2 Chronicles 36:9 and 2 Kings 24:8? I looked pretty hard and I don't see it in these 2 verses. And it says he was 18 in both, I am confused. Do you mean different verses? I may have missed something.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000
Fuck me this is tedious LET ME SPELL IT OUT REAL BIG
2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was "EIGHTEEN" years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem "THREE MONTHS". 2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was EIGHT years old when he began to reign, and he reigned "THREE MONTHS" and "TEN DAYS" in Jerusalem.
GET YOURSELF SOME NEW EYES THOSE SPIRITUAL ONES YOU SAID YOU HAD HAVE NOT ONLY FUCKED UP YOUR SIGHT BUT YOUR BRAIN ALSO
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11
I was looking at the NIV where it actually says 18 for both. You are right, it says 8 and 18 in different translations
2 Chronicles 36:9
9 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months and ten days. He did evil in the eyes of the LORD.
2 Kings 24:8
Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. His mother's name was Nehushta daughter of Elnathan; she was from Jerusalem.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000
It actually says 8 in NIV and also 18 in NIV
and says the same in KJV 8 and also 18
So i dont know what NIV you are reading?????????? maybe you eyes need desperate attention
This was just the most simple example to show your book is so fake and so imperfect
But we all know how you deluded and delusional christians work,
If the NIV says something you dont like hey its to the KJV and if that doent say something that adds up hey its back to the NIV (cont)
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11
The NIV on biblegateway. The other translations say 8 and 18.
It would appear to be a copy error. These books have been around for a few thousand years.
Sorry for annoying you, I should have checked other translation in the first place.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000
The books have been around a few thousands years ???? really???
Where did you get that from???
Oh the imperfect bible you follow
It would appear to be a copy error??? ah another excuse ---->remember the word of god is perfect.....well in your deluded mind :)
devante11 1 year ago
@devante11
To be fair, I never said that the Bible we have today is perfect, nor did I deny it. I don't understand why you jump to conclusions based on presuppositions of someone you have never met.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@devante11
"The books have been around a few thousands years ???? really???
Where did you get that from???"
I am pretty sure the Jewish people would back that up.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@devante11
I looked up Hebrew numbers and can see how unbelievably easy it would be to think the number 18 was actually an 8 when copying.
Hebrew numbers are different than ours. The Hbrew character for 8 looks is similar to an "n" and the character for 10 is similar to ' (apostrophe)
Larger numbers are made by adding the different characters together.
for example nn would be 16
To make the number 18 in Hebrew it would look like this--> n'
I can see how an error could be made.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000
How about acknowledging the mistakes :) accepting your book is so fake...it doesnt agree with itself and stop juggling and grasping onto anything
Im sure if you wrote a letter and made mistakes you would be quick to acknowledge them and even correct the i hope
Until you acknowledge the mistakes and stop juggling around......you will see you are under a very false premise (you should see that by the lengths you go to hide things)
devante11 1 year ago
@Jman3000
"and it doesn't make it a contradiction."
It does one says one thing one says the other LOL LOL you really are blind
Little example, you ask me how old I am .....I say to you im 45 ...you ask me again
how old are you....i say i am 24.......do you see something wrong here???? if you dont then you need help LOL
Yep, full of lies claims and absurditities and if you dont see that you need serious help
devante11 1 year ago
@Jman3000
never a truer word been spoken "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe---->>>you just cant admit the mistake i gave you
so sad and so blind you are....you cant even acknowledge even a simple mistake.....of a book claiming to be perfect......which it is not
devante11 1 year ago
God's afraid of us? That explains a whole lot of things.
DeathsPictures 2 years ago
Lol and that's even assuming that god exists. But yeah, why else was he so opposed to us gaining knowledge? The story makes no sense.
Captain42x 2 years ago
What makes even less sense is that people believe, and I quote: "God taught us right from wrong" when this story tells the exact opposite. Another thing that's commonly believed is, quote: "Atheism is ignorance" unquote, which this story again contradicts.
DeathsPictures 2 years ago
Yeah the whole "Bible teaches morals" thing is built on ignorance of the Bible... in "The Star Wars Illustrated Bible" I actually compared our loving father to Emperor Palpatine... lol
Captain42x 2 years ago
that sign is for war!.here okei what will happen after the 666 you need to read that again
kronicka074 2 years ago
You know... I was going to blast this video... But there's nothing I can say that would be correct in proving you wrong.
I wonder however, if you are slanting things to prove your own point. It wouldn't be anything new, as every person that's ever tried to prove a point has slanted the facts just a little in their favor.
But as it stands now.. You sir, might be at least "not wrong" I can't say you're right, but I can't say you're wrong either... Good argument.
Tyamna 2 years ago
Well I'm glad that you found the video thought provoking!
If you believe that I have slanted anything, please look up the passages I have mentioned, as well as the context around them, and make your own decision.
Captain42x 2 years ago
yes thats true the anti christ will come soon..but he dont have the power to do a miracle he will just controll this world thats satan..let see for the coming of christ is great tribulation all the people will tremble for His mighty power for the anti christ sorry you will not enherit the kingdom of God.but there still a time and hope for you just trust Him
kronicka074 2 years ago
Here is what the Bible says about this Antichrist (Rev 13)
"One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed."
and later on:
"And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men."
Even according to your own Bible, Satan, of all people, also has the power to do miracles, even raising himself from the dead.
If he brings this power to Earth, we could easily rival god's power.
Captain42x 2 years ago
stupid! so your saying that we have a power so can you resurrect a dead body? we need christ to be saved because we cant save ourselves
if you will not accept christ as your saviour then your life is meaningless you will be put to hell
kronicka074 2 years ago
Hmmm.... Even the book of Revelation (Chapter 13) admits that that Antichrist, an absolute enemy of God, can do fantastic miracles.
If miracles are even possible, you don't need God to do them. This is why God is afraid of us (if he actually exists).
You have yet to tell me why Adam and Eve's gaining consciousness was a bad thing. You'd seriously rather that we stayed dumb animals???
Captain42x 2 years ago
we need christ to be save..because God curse us!
because adam and eve fall into sin God sent Jesus christ here on earth not to destroy this world but to save the people here on earth see He sacrifice His life for us i tell you this your life is meaningless without the christ just follow Him trust Him
we need christ if you trust Him everything will be alright PROMISE..
kronicka074 2 years ago
"we need christ to be save..because God curse us!"
Exactly. Don't you see how hypocritical this is? Adam and Eve gained consciousness. If it weren't for their "evil sin", you and I would be dumb unintelligent animals.
But God was afraid of this. He knew, and admitted that we were too powerful, even as powerful as a God, because we because sentient beings.
So he alone took away eternal life. If we follow Jesus, most will fall to hell, not because of sin, but because of God.
Captain42x 2 years ago
God is afraid of us because His relation with us will be broken because He loves us so much
because God created us He wants us to obey Him praise Him worship Him then we dont have to worrie what clothes to wear what food to it He will provide all we need.then suddenly eve fall into temptation she ate the fruite and gave to her husband then theyr minds opened
thats it God curse them until now we have that curse you need christ to take away that curse in ur life
kronicka074 2 years ago
But why do you need Christ to give you eternal life, when the passage makes it clear that the only reason Adam and Eve could not eat from the tree of life is because God but an angel to block the way?
What a sham!
Captain42x 2 years ago
For believers and non believers.
When people follow their path, nature shows them the way.
Chuang-Tzu
Can you love people and lead them without forcing your will on them?.
Tao te ching
argent2020 2 years ago
It's funny though, because I don't see anyone talking against certain disciplines which I study; ZEN, Taoism, I ching and Feng Shui, except for a few christians to the point in which I can recall one video clip, here in YouTube who claims that Buddha is in hell.
As soon as you start to conceptualize, you set up duality. One becomes two: You the thinker and the idea or concept you are thinking about. Then comes further division:
To be continue.
argent2020 2 years ago
I like this; I don't like that. This is right; that is wrong. These dualities are the source of problems and suffering.
Things do not either exist or not exist, they do both.
I quoted from Simple ZEN, a guide to living moment by moment.
argent2020 2 years ago
An interesting belief system, argent2020, but this channel is devoted to pointing out the obvious to Christians who think they are doing the right thing but in reality are not.
Captain42x 2 years ago
I understand your point of view and how You/this channel, is devoted to point out.... and I respect that.
Since you mentioned to read certain passages of the Bible, I would like to invite you to do the same by taking a look at this one: Matthew 7: 1 - 6
7: 3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?.
Have you consider number 3 ?.
argent2020 2 years ago
On one hand I have such quote from the Bible to consider, and on the other I, just like you, have the right to point out.... the obvious.
I just wonder if one could be justified when acting upon ignorance?. I study law and I'm aware of the Ignorantia juris non excusat. But that is Men's Law, by the people and for the people.
Take a look at Isaiah 55:9
Just like heaven is higher than...
argent2020 2 years ago
I have read all of Mat 7. The thing is, i don't actually claim to be a Christian myself, so I am not bound by Jesus' commandments any longer. I am free to point out others hypocrisy, but according to Jesus, they are not free to point out mine. It's actually quite amusing....
Captain42x 2 years ago
Perhaps & actually, it may be quite amusing like you said, & after all, as someone I knew once pointed out: "Church is like a circus and the so called christians are like clowns".
Anyway, a person may not be a christian even when claiming to be so and therefore is no more than a clown or a christian wanna be. Perhaps, you may be a non christian wanna be, just like me.
Who is to say if we are both "righteous" wanna be?.
There is something I notice in .....
argent2020 2 years ago
Matthew 25.
To make it short (In case the other message I posted it's waiting approval or something in the like).
There are people without a clue of why they're saved to the point that they even ask.
Jesus responded and that was it. There is no mention of these people claiming to be christians. They were, in deed, righteous and kind to the "true" followers of Christ.
argent2020 2 years ago
Satan isn't even evil. If you ask me he's kind of like a hero, someone who wanted to oppose the evil dictator: God.
The man who would want to destroy the world, not once: but twice. A man who would torment billions to eternal hell fire.
RebirthedKarma 3 years ago
I'm glad to have found someone who shares my viewpoint! It gets depressing to hear the same baseless rhetoric droned on by enslaved Christians (see the comments below for example).
I also view Satan as a rebellious hero, especially that God is such an egotistical liar, who slaughters his enemies while pretending to be peaceful and righteous.
Captain42x 3 years ago
Satan is only evil in accordance with the standards that god has set up.
If murder is a way to measure evil,. then god wins by killing millions over the 10 people satan has killed (with gods approval.)
Kaandorpius 3 years ago
Good job! It's great to find others who can think critically. For me, the question is not whether God exists, but whether I would follow him anyway... and clearly he is not worthy of our worship.
Captain42x 3 years ago
God has a purpose for evil, it is a part of his creative decree, and evil works for the glory of God even as does good:)
No, suicide isnt what Jesus did. Suicide is when you kill yourself, but laying down your life is not the same as killing yourself, it is laying it down for your friends, for his people:)NOT SUICIDE, in which you die for yourself.
How did he turn someone else into a sinner? I don't get that question.
Praise JESUS, Hallelujah!
Dejan2116 3 years ago
You dont get it all it seems,.. but ok.
Your saying that killing yourself, isnt the same as killing yourself. Are you retarded?
I'll make it simple for you.
Jesus did not laid down his life,.. the guy got freaking butchered. He got beaten, kicked, stabbed etc.
Simple as that.
But Jesus was informed of his death, he knew he was going to be killed. So Jesus jumped in front of a train,.. only this train was a Roman Centurion.
Same principle as a "suicide by cop", pretty popular these days.
Kaandorpius 3 years ago
Yes Kaan, if you used the Brain that God gave you, you would see it yourself.
Killing yourself is when you take a gun and shoot yourself, where did Jesus do that?
Think of it this way, your family is all about to die, you jump infrot of the gun to save them from the bullet shot, you die, and they live.
Jesus took upon himself the sin of man, to bring himself glory, in a much bigger way, this example isn't good, but you get the picture.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
OH alright I guess I'll argue with you.
1. Jesus knew he was about to be killed and could have stopped it.
This was not an example of jumping in front of a bullet, because whether Jesus saved you from the bullet is contingent upon whether you pray to God.
If he had stoped a bullet like you say, we would be saved even if we were evil.
2. Jesus knew Judas would betray him, and even encouraged him to do so at the last supper, telling him to go do it quickly. He therefore caused Judas to sin.
Captain42x 3 years ago
Actually, God has chosen a particular people to save in Christ Jesus, I am saved because he bore my sins on that tree(cross).
No, he didn't encourage the evil, the betrayel, he told him to do what he has come to do, for he know what he would do before he did it, thus the scriptures were fulfilled by what happend, I just find it funny how you eisegetically interpret the Bible, you would fail in Bible college.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
And Jesus wasnt killed on a cross,.. it was on a pole. That was the traditional way to execute "criminals" in those times. The cross refers to the Crux constellation,.. thats something else entirely.
I know i'd fail in biblecollege, but not because of ignorance on my part. You can laugh about it, but thats your ignorance, again not mine.
You know why the sacrifice is full of shit? Its really simple, and every Jew knows about it, as well as anyone that understands the Torah.
Kaandorpius 3 years ago
Sorry, Jehovah Witnesses are wrong. Tradition tells us that it was a cross but more importantly so DOES THE NEW TESTAMENT!!!! The Greek word "Stauros" for cross, can be translated tree, but also refers to a cross in the New Testament:)
Actually the cross was a traditional way to execute criminals, and the Biblical text says that Jesus had 2 nails in each hand, if it was a pole he would only have 1 nail through both hands, not two. Praise Jesus who died for me who am unworthy!
Dejan2116 3 years ago
Yeah you are unworthy,.. now answer the question first, then i'll respond to your comment.
Kaandorpius 3 years ago
Amen, I am unworthy. Praise my worthy Lord Jesus, my God and Saviour.
"This we must know know and believe it; acknowledging and adoring the depth, when we cannot find the bottom." (Matthew Henry's Concice commentary 5:1 on John 10-28-42).
Dejan2116 3 years ago
Very poetic, but the bible aint that deep. But from that i shall assume you acknowledge you just dont know.
Original sin does not exist, Jesus has nothing to save you from.
Deuteronomy 24:16
Ezekiel 18:20
The hebrew scriptures contradict the christian belief that sin can be passed onto offspring. Born sinners do not exist, for they cannot be blamed for Adams sin.
And it wasnt even Adam who ate the fruit first, go figure you retard!
Kaandorpius 3 years ago
No sir, your taking verses out of context, the way you explain it now is called "EISEGESIS", it is when you read too far INTO the context and add to what its saying by your own interpretation, and when people do this they fail Bible college.
The proper way of studying is EXEGESIS, a critical explenation with historical context and context, and those verses are only saying that you wont be PUNISHED for the sin of your parents,which is true! you are punished for your own sin.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
OOh we're using fancy words so we can sound impressive now! And by the way, I think you just confirmed Kaan's argument so you may want to rethink what you wrote.
Captain42x 3 years ago
No sir, theres a difference between being punished, or being judged for what someone else did, and being judge for what you do.
For who's fault is it if you sin? yours. Not your parents, thats what Ezekiel 18:20 is saying, it is in no way against original sin.
We are judged for our own sins, God's not gonna judge you by saying, your father sinned, you are now going to hell for what your father did, no, but by what you do.
Jesus is Lord:) Only he saves:)
Dejan2116 3 years ago
Sir,.? Just call me dude.
Excellent,.. so you confirm we cannot be punished for the sins of our forefathers to as far as the bloodlines reach to Adam and Eve.
Ok,.. so answer me this.
Why are we born sinners?
Kaandorpius 3 years ago
EXEGESIS. I think in Spanish would be ermeneútica.
That subject class is a must in any given Seminary or Bible college, it kind of makes the student to go back in time and have that mentality in order to get a clear understanding of why the system of things were just as they were back then in bible times. For instance: "No mercy!".
Jesus changed all of that: "Love God and be kind to thy neighbor".
Siddhartha Gautama was kind to people.
argent2020 2 years ago
Dammit,.. i was saving the judas bit, lol.
Kaandorpius 3 years ago
I have seen it, and i wasnt using my brain at that point of time.
Like is said; "suicide by cop." Jesus let himself get killed. It suicide either way, cause it was a consious choice to die.
"your family is all about to die, you jump infrot of the gun to save them from the bullet shot, you die, and they live."
Bad example,.. i'll explain why.
Kaandorpius 3 years ago
My family (the human race) is going to die. I (Jesus) jump in front of the bullet (mortal sin) to save my family (the human race).
Who is actually endangering my family (the human race) in the first place?
Indeed the the guy with gun (GOD).
I know the allegorical interpretation of the "sacrifice", wich is not just a "holy" event, it is an event to please the lord. (by spilling blood)
And he didnt took sin away from mankind, he gained the power to judge them over their sins.
Kaandorpius 3 years ago
Good job Kaandorpius! I'm sorry about taking your Judas Idea! but he won't listen anyway lol.
Captain42x 3 years ago
He might not listen, but he has heard. There are some neurons affected by that little piece of information, and he cannot discard what his brain has established.
We dont control our brains, we merely follow what it tells us to do. Repetition is the key to conditioning any piece of information into a persons mind.
I dont expect instant conversions, its merely preprogramming a new set of data into someones brain. Sooner or later the brain will reach out for it, and start using it.
Kaandorpius 3 years ago
You are in error. The law of God condemns sin, and by mans sin, the laws judges the man, and from that judgement comes the penalty of death. For the wages of sin are death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ the Lord.
The law was already the judge of all men, and he will save his people from their sins(Matthew 1:21).
You just ignore the Biblical text, like I said, you would fail in Bible college.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
Why are you pointing out the obvious, but forget to acknowledge secular logic in wich the bible is supposedly to tie in too?
And again i would fail bible college, but not for ignorance on my part.
So why dont you anwer my previous question,.. why is the "sacrifice" full of shit?
If you dont know why, just say you dont know, and i'll tell you. If you say it just isnt, your prejudiced and unwilling to hear.
Kaandorpius 3 years ago
I think that's actually a very good example. I've been reading your comments and you do a very good job of defending your faith. I thank God for people who can stand up for Christianity like you. God bless.
ssquared361 3 years ago
I don't know why you would want to worship one who has personally commanded Genocide on multiple occasions, and then tells us he is the source of love, and in fact it is *us* who are evil!.
I feel like my intelligence is being insulted!
Captain42x 3 years ago
It is God who is Holy, Jesus who is holy, I am nothing. Jesus is truth and His name will be magnified.
Dejan2116 3 years ago