Not a bit surprised this is another democrat liberal exercise in fellation of the left and hatred of the right. Despite what youtubians may say, we are a center-right country, and liberalism is in the minority. The GOP's plan, had any democrat chosen to listen, included tort reform to limit frivolous lawsuits and insurance competition across state lines to lower costs. But because those plans would have actually saved money and expanded coverage, making Obama look even worse, they were ignored.
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@Sonofthebeach009 its also not the job of the federal government to provide medicare or social security or unemployment benefits but i dnt hear u complaining
Thank God this man isnt a coward owned by the same insuance companies that got Obama started. Yes he was there lawyer now he's there president. Like the first doctor i talked to said, your insurance man was never trained to be a doctor. But now he will say what your doctor can do for you. I can and will vote for this man.
Come on stupid people. Paying a insurance company is not healthcare. Talk to your doctor. I have, 4 out of 4 say its the worst thing that ever happened to the med field. Insurance is the reason that healthcare cost so much. I paid $88 a week and still had to pay the same copayment as a person with no insurance. Your major medical wont cover your major problem. They have more lawyers than the govt. they will not pay any more than they have. Just taking your money by law. thats all this is.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being
Hard to see how the people on youtube are so differant from people in real life. Everybody I know hate the Dens and cant wait to vote them out. There totally against freedom in any way, and mean to have us so indebt that you will never have freedom again. The real evil is the Dems. Its ok, God will avenge everything they have done under his law he will punish them. Like Brandon Lee makes a joke about christ on the cross. Only man in history shot with a stage gun. God let him say that to his face
1. REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL. Two massive tax cuts for the VERY RICH under Bush which were NOT paid for. 2. They ran up EIGHT TRILLION OF DEBT! When Clinton left office we had a surplus (ZERO DEBT). 3. They spend A TRILLION on the Iraq war TO DATE. 4. They DON'T want to give healthcare to the citizens in the RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD under a plan that IS PAID FOR. 5. Republicans ALSO used reconcilation! 6. They perpetuate FEAR MONGERING AND SCARE TACTICS. THEY ARE EVIL AND DISGUST ME!
1. REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL. Two massive tax cuts for the VERY RICH under Bush which were NOT paid for. 2. They ran up EIGHT TRILLION OF DEBT! When Clinton left office we had a surplus (ZERO DEBT). 3. They spend A TRILLION on the Iraq war TO DATE. 4. They DON'T want to give healthcare to the citizens in the RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD under a plan that IS PAID FOR. 5. Republicans ALSO used reconcilation! 6. They perpetuate FEAR MONGERING AND SCARE TACTICS. THEY ARE EVIL AND DISGUST ME!
@ersatx210 I speak as a neutral Libertarian. The surplus of the 90s was created by a Republican Congress and Senate. For example they reformed welfare and nearly had to override Bill Clinton's vetoes to do it. This bill will not be paid for except by taxes on the middle class which is not an infinite source of capital.
2. The republican congress of the 90s generated the surplus, when they reformed welfare and nearly had to override Clinton to do it.
3. The republican spending on the Iraq war was the result of deceit, because powerful interests control the CIA.
4. It is not the job of the federal government to provide health care, and given the multitudinous money and time wasting projects that the government engages in, it should not be.
1. No that wouldn't account for the money The "savings" weren't big enough.. And the GOP didn't override Clinton to cut welfare since it his idea to triangulate.
2. Yes it was a matter of deceit (though more then the CIA's) but even after knowing that they continued to fund it heavily. The OP pushed the LIE.
3. Well private health care sure isn't working. Most of those wastes you mention goes to propping up private companies. Maybe that's the problem.
@hadenufnow you lost. this bill will never be repealed. Even those who voted against it wouldn't vote to repeal it. You can't change part of it... it's a done deal and once americans start reaping the benefits, it's gonna be hard to convince them otherwise... just like medicare. No republicans want to eliminate this gov' program known as Medicare...
you have no brain I am not a republican, if you read the bill and still support it then you are evil and yes there is good and evil in this world and i tell you what this is scary. Pray to god for forgiveness you are going to need it.
ebery time da stock market goes abuv 10000, the socialist crap starts,,,an when it dips below 10000 they prop it back up so the socialist crap starts again...fudging jobs numbers and fudging economic numbers for fools that dont know 865 TRILLION in derivative debt means you be critical near dead as an economy and mass media paid by gubbment be like old soviet TV man...chumps...Keep da stock market below 10000 to save capitalism ...If it crashes, it even better...
Hey you publicans,,better be hide yo money cuz i know this dude that picks yo pocket and makes you think you like it man...anybody that dont know how to hang onto their money dont deserv e to have it man....chumps
@4001XBASS How about kill republicans? Only someone who is so greedy that they think that only those with money deserve medical care. If you would deny others care just to have a few more dollars, you are a piece of garbage. I for one have no problem paying a little more in taxes to have medical care for all. I know people who have DIED due to lack of proper care. Unless you think thats a good thing, you need to rethink your position.
The commodification of human health is fundamentally a good thing in that allows stakeholders to extract value from policy holders in exchange for truncated service.
I have yet to see a viable option proposed by the Republicans to the bill currently proposed...all I see is what this Republican demonstrates clearly....I OBJECT...I OBJECT...I OBJECT, ETC. Propose a solution, because doing nothing is clearly not going to fix the road ahead for America.
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Americans do not want this bill, but our lovely Democratic Congress and President keep insisting we do. Everyone agrees that reform is needed. That's not up for debate. But no one is telling me how it is that by covering more people, I'll be paying less. They're pushing to get this passed by Christmas so they can add taxes on January 1st. They want Obama to be able to brag a political "victory" at the next State of the Union Show. Wake up. Democrats don't care about you, just your money.
THE current bill is not the answer ,,,does not address proper Tort Reform, "undocumented" access for expensive non-life threatening HC , & does not provide MOST IMPORTANTLY an OPT OUT Provision for those that believe it is still too bloated with waste & inefficiencies resulting in inflated premiums not in keeping with services provided.
....A mandate stuffed inside a trojan horse bill for HC is a skunk in the road...too stupid to debate...
Ah the Republicans the parasites of the human race, they disgust me, and the democrats the "can you do this for me" people. Americans have to be the most impotent immature of all the nationalities. So stubborn when the world is in their greedy little hands they do nothing else but argue with each other
The Republicans objected because the Democrats were offering long worded "revisions and extensions" of their remarks to kill the debate time so that the American people wouldn't know about the bill.
Who's trying to remove your freedom of speech? Looks like these republic party hacks are trying to remove everyone else's right to hear and be heard. Very un-American. They are what they do, not what they say. This is conservatism laid bare.
This video was taken out of context. I saw the whole session. I'm not trying to be partisan, armadilloze. All I'm saying is, the Democrats were making those requests to use up time for debate, while the Republicans tried asking for an additional hour to debate, but the Dems objected in return, and now we have this.
amwrong: Sorry, I saw 2-3 other clips of this (but not the whole thing). Accompanying news accounts explained why these attempts to delay were out of order, as if it weren't self-evident. The ins co lobbyists' henchmen have a goal, stated even, to block ANY reform by any means. They want to protect lifetime/annual caps, rescission, denied claims, and rationing by pre-existing condition and price (cherry-picking). The republic party does their bidding in this clip. Clear enough.
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So clearly you wish to be partisan. Oh by the way, I saw the WHOLE THING, LIVE on c-span. They want to protect the people of AMERICA from the Democratic communist plan of destroying business across the nation, by raising health care costs, and putting govt controls on everything.
amwrong: Sorry again, people know this was not the time to interrupt. And why only women?
We the People need to protect ourselves from ins co's. Did you see where Aetna Friday said they are canceling 650,000 policies in 2010? I know how much you wingers like canceling, which is actually RATIONING. The rest will see rate increases, they promised, another form of RATIONING. So who is "raising health care costs" *by their own admission*? Stand up for yourself, you don't have to be a corp. serf!
amwrong: "We" are the government. Your side is just very unpopular now due to its devastation of the economy and Iraq the last 8 years. Elections have consequences. The failed "different world" of crony capitalism is dead. As Boss Limpbaugh said. "Shut the hell up until you win an election." I agree with the leader of the republic party on that.
Bush unemployment rate: 750,000/mo. Today: Down to 11,000 and headed in the right direction. Give up, we the people won't forget your failure of 2008.
Our leaders are not leading. They need to put their feet in the shoes of working Americans…. Instead, all they think about is re-election and implementing United Nations Agenda 21 and ICELI. If you don't know what UN Agenda 21 and ICELI are, then LEARN before you vote! It's why Obama did nothing to help US people--Obama wants WORLD redistribution of wealth.
"Let's just give the government all our money so we can be poor and miserable together!"
I like that idea. I have no shame admitting that I come from a poor immigrant family with 2 parents that had nothing beyond a high school education. I was raised on welfare and grew up depressed because of a long list of traumatic events that turned me into a self-hating, miserable person. I would LOVE to take happiness from the happy people, with taxing the rich heavily being one way of doing so.
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FUCK you lazy ignorant radical leftist bastards! Get a job and pay for your own healthcare like the rest of working class America! This government has bankrupt social security, medicare, and has had to print off billions of dollars in the last few months for the out of control spending that our socialist piece of shit so called "president" has done! Do you really think the government could properly run a health care reforum? THIS WILL BANKRUPT OUR ENTIRE NATION!!!!!!
only in America is healthcare a leftist cause. It's actually supported by right wingers in the rest of the world, maybe with the exception of their versions of Strom or Rush or Hitler.
You're as ignorant as you are two-faced you lying worthless cunt, Just slide the gun into your mouth and pull the trigger before the proud steel of the weapon makes you come all over your collection of war atrocity photographs. You sodding douchebag cunt of a disease. Fuck you.
Your retarded. Get a job and earn your own. It's not fair to make 85% of the population suffer for the lower 15%. Look up congressman Mike Rogers. He has the right idea
Is that what Jesus said at the Sermon on the Mount? The poor are just lazy-ass losers who should get a job? Many of the poor have several jobs and still can't afford health care and only go to the emergency room when it's an emergency and sometimes die because they didn't detect and treat an illness until it progressed to a deadly stage. Have a heart and stop thinking only of your well-being! Think of others, too!
Substitute "I object" with "obselete" and you have the perfect response of the republican party. When will the American People realize that "one side of the aisle" is populated by nothing but terrorist criminals out to destroy this country? AND they're plotting another election theft as we debate their fate!!
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HEY, MediaMattersAction, I found some MAO-ist typos in your title! Here's the CORRECTION:
"As Democrats try to expand GOVERNMENT access to quality health care coverage TAKEOVER, House Republicans -- AND MOST AMERICANS! -- routinely object."
Check the polling from 2007 to 2009 - you'll find that before (and even after) the republican/industry FUD, there's been a 70%+ support for strong public option (like opt-in-and-pay-for-it Medicare), and 55% support for straight single-payer (abolish private insurance, create Medicare-for-all).
Either way, the public wants a public plan - that's undeniable. It's just a matter of whether we get the great but moderately popular one, or the nice but overwhelmingly popular one.
So would you dislike the HR676 single-payer bill (it's under ten pages iirc)? It featured government-run insurance and privately-run medical care: think Medicare, but for everybody at every age.
Or is your objection just based on some idea that the government isn't comprised of the people, elected by the people and designed for the benefit of the people?
Are you one of those who think Keynesian economics etc can't be valid because public work and public money don't count?
and they only work 8 months so the remainder if the year she can spend with grandpa oh theirgrandkids have also graduated from college that they didnt have to pay for either meanwhile we go out and try to find a job in our broken economy
well at least france isnt paying for there crappy health care and grandma dont have to choose between heart medication and her elctric bill which is keeping grandpa alive
after world war 2 nobody had ins. and there was alot of people in need of medical attention unlike america who tries to capitalize on it peoples misfourtune europe had no choice in the matter and regardless of wht you say our insurance companies are bankrupting us and within 10 years 70% of america will eligible for retirement
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This was a little rude and probably not that effective but anything to stop this bill would be great. Government run healthcare does not work. don't be quick to assume that that it works in europe either. every country in the EU that has government run healthcare is losing a lot of money, not to mention the population in Europe has dropped 17% since this form of healthcare was incorporated.
Sorry if you hold the constitution up as an unchangeable holy text written by God's favored prophet.
You'll remember that once upon a time, slavery was constitutional. Slavery was considered part of basic property rights for men of those times, and treated just as legitimately as all our other rights, despite being a disgusting and immoral practice. That changed.
On top of "LIFE, liberty, pursuit of happiness" your holy text has WELFARE CLAUSES. Check them out - UHC is legal.
Did the government screw up the highway system? The telephone system? Police and fire departments? Water delivery and sanitation and a million other things you rely on daily to lead your very comfortable life? No.
let me keep it simple for you because you are an idiot.
You are in a pool with 10 friends (you all have health insurance) and there are 4 lifegaurds (they are doctors). And then you have 1,000,000 people outside the pool (they don't have health insurance).
Obama puts everyone in the pool.
What are your chances of getting help if you start drowning?
Please google the Federal Aid Highway Act of 1925, and the Interstate Highway Act of 1956. You'll be surprised what a little knowledge can do for you!
Oh, and your analogy is ridiculous, but you knew that, which is why you used it. Don't keep things simple for me: I'm a teacher. Please explain yourself using real world examples and legal precedents. Make it as complex as you'd like ... unless you only know how to keep it simple.
What's missing here? Why are you talking to no one and asking this non-present person to look up Eisenhower's proposal of constructing thousands of miles of road?
Did someone by any chance delete their comments or something around those lines?
I replied to ttam72. He/she tries to differentiate between state-run and Federal in an effort to spread fear of a government health insurance option, but has no idea what he/she is talking about. I mentioned the highway system and other services which the government provides, and he/she called them state-run. Hardly. All of these were once Federal programs which, once proven successful, were given to states to run individually. Faced with fact, the name-calling begins, as always.
@ttam72 - the 31 million still have to pay for their insurance. This isn't a government handout. PLEASE READ THE LEGISLATION!!! I know that there's a lot of misinformation out there about what's in this bill, 'death panels' being one of the most ridiculous things, but please know what's being discussed before opposing it so vehemently.
There are no 'death panels', there are no government give-aways in the legislation, and illegal immigrants are not covered; three incredible lies easily dismissed if only the people who believe these things would bother to read. We've been debating the legislation in my class for the past week. Not the crap that's been floated by Palin and Beck, but the ACTUAL legislation that has come from the Senate. You're done with me because you refuse to read the bill for fear of admitting you're wrong.
to pay for this they will tax Insurance companies, witch will cause them to raise premiums that I will have to pay or my work will have to pay. then my work might just cancel the insurance then I would be forced to go on the public option . And I don't want crappy Government heathcare . Maybe you want heath care as good as the post office but I don't.
No, they're not taxing health insurance companies. What they are doing is providing a health care plan where you will not be excluded because of pre-existing conditions, will not have an upper limit on legitimate health care expenses, and will not have to fight for coverage of basic care needs.
Ten years ago, 95% of money paid to health insurance companies went to health care. Currently, it is down to 85% - the other 10% is being paid to share holders, and used for advertisements and exorbitant executive pay. The public option will force insurance companies to spend more of their money on actual health care in order to be competitive. This is good for all of us. Government isn't running health care, it's simply making deals with private insurers to bring down rates.
ttam: So what does the bill say who sits on these supposed Death Panels? Govt employees? Elected? Appointed? Private doctors? How are people notified of their panel meeting? Mail? Phone? Visit? Is it like jury duty? What if you miss your appointment - are you arrested? What;s the punishment for failure to appear? Can you appeal their finding? Please answer by quoting from proposed legislation. Otherwise, not interested. Only verifiable facts count.
H.R. 1 (more commonly known as the Recovery and Reinvestment Act) contains a whopping $1.1 billion to fund the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research. Daschle's stated purpose (and therefore President Obama's purpose) for creating the Council is to empower an unelected bureaucracy to make the hard decisions about health care rationing that elected politicians are politically unable to make.
ttam: You ducked all the questions. You're a beaten man. Give up.
Thought I saved the text but can't find it offhand. The Senate bill actually contains language prohibiting rationing by law, though.
We have rationing NOW. Canceling your policy when you get sick is RATIONING. Delaying payment hoping you'll give up is RATIONING. Losing your insurance if you want to take a better job is RATIONING. All that crap goes way with all proposed legislation BY LAW. No more CEOs dictating your life!
ttantrum: Not what I was looking for but close. From H.R. 3962, Comparative Effectiveness Research (CER):
Sec. 1401 (j) RESEARCH MAY NOT BE USED TO DENY OR RATION CARE. Nothing in this section shall be construed to make more stringent or otherwise change the standards or requirements for coverage of items and services under this Act.
Libertarians make up stuff as you go along to try to fool other gullible nitwits like yourself. Give up, loser, we ain't buyin'. Stick to your own kind.
Yeah, the actual wording of the bill is a "weak come back [sic]." What else can you say about the libertarian mind that you don't demonstrate yourself at every turn?
I saw you doing a lot of unwarranted name calling, so a name that fits is certainly warranted. You can't even READ THE BILL, to repeat. What would you call that? HAHAHA!
Go find a cancel-happy CEO to suck up to. I'll decide my own fate by due process, thank you.
ttantrum: Very few people want some nanny CEO running their lives. Only losers want lifetime or yearly pmt caps, canceled policies when you get cancer or diabetes, legitimate claim denial, medical bankruptcy even with insurance, and all the other ripoffs CEOs FORCE on you involuntarily. Be a man, stand up for yourself! You don't have to take their crap! Wy do weak-willed libertarians have such a death wish or like going bankrupt? You need assertiveness training. Or just a pair, perhaps. HAHAHA!
Unlike you I don't need the government to take care of me.
I have never heard of a single person getting canceled because of cancer and I have had two aunt with cancer and also have known many others with cancer who all kept thier insurance.
The democrats will fuck this up and it will cost us Trillions (the republicans would fuck it up too)
This all a power grab to controll more of our lives.
It is very sad that you and "your kind" fail to see that.
ttam, the CEO huggin' man: You haven't heard of anyone getting canceled because like most wingers, you are uninformed. I see stories on local news all the time. Heard stories at a party last Friday night. Read many personal accounts online. A woman near Dallas was cut off in the middle of chemo and almost died. She testified before Congress. The ignorant never heard of her story.
Ignorance never solved a problem. Willfully ignorant voters like you create problems for all, not just themselves.
ttam, the ins co lapdog: Sorry, to repeat, I talked with "actual people" as recently as Friday night.
WHY do you think the losers who got us into this mess can or will get us out? We tried it your way and it failed. Only a conservative or libertarian would call a plumber who messed up and flooded his house to come back to fix it.
You wingers are in LOVE with proven failure. You WANT to be left bankrupt even though you paid your premiums. Losers hang with losers - that's all I can figure. Sad.
ttantrum: To see the results of ignorant voting, Google "Nataline Sarkisyan." Your blind devotion to CEOs' Death Panel at CIGNA killed her. Happy now? The republic party is the Party of Death. Are you next? Maybe.
You cost us jobs, too. Toyota built a factory in Canada due to high HC costs in Alabama.
What pisses me off is that self-destructive, low information voters like you not only cost you money and lives, they cost ME too! We simpy can't afford more conservatism after your 2008 debacle.
ttam the Death Panel Man: See the jobs data today? We are moving further away from conservatism's 750,000 jobs a month lost. Once again, liberals have to fix your many failures. CNBC said job loss is likely at zero now due to the lag in reporting. HAHAHA!
Also, your hero CEO at Aetna today said they are canceling 650,000 policies in 2010. I know how much wingers like canceling, which is actually RATIONING. The rest will see rate increases, they promised, another form of RATIONING. Happy now?
ttam the last winger left man: People self-identified as in the republic party was 20% last summer. By fall, that dropped to 20%. That's a loss of 1/5 of their base in just months. Give up. It's over. And libertarians are lost in the background noise, too small to measure.
We patriots may lose a few seats, usually do in the mid-terms. But who wants to go back to the misery of 2008 (besides self-haters like you)? Sorry, the battle cry is "Remember 2008!" We simply can't afford conservatism.
ttam the rationing man: Forgot to add: By contrast to Aetna, Medicare, a govt-run (well, single payer, doctors still work for themselves) plan, has never canceled anyone. Under ALL proposed reforms, no one can dictate your coverage like Aetna is doing to its customers. We the People decide our own coverage. My guess you like being a voiceless peon and therefore back Aetna's new rationing plan. Too bad for those now in chemo, I guess. Cut them off, go to Aetna's Death Panel. That's your plan.
ttam, the CEO ass-kissin' man: Almost forgot: Still waiting for a reply about how your imaginary "Death Panels" work. The entire libertarian movement is counting on you to back up your crazy conspiracy claims. Also, what about black helicopters and fluoridation? HAHAHA!
Ins premiums doubled under BushCult. At the present rate of increase, they'll double again by 2016. Avg. $25,000 for a family of 4. How will you pay? THAT is a "power grab" by CEOs if voters don't take responsibility NOW.
So what does the bill say who sits on these supposed Death Panels? Govt employees? Elected? Appointed? Private doctors? How are people notified of their panel meeting? Mail? Phone? Visit? Is it like jury duty? What if you miss your appointment - are you arrested? What's the punishment for failure to appear? Can you appeal their finding? Please answer by quoting from proposed legislation. Otherwise, not interested. Only verifiable facts count.
You seem to have a strange, legalistic idea of rights - that something cannot be a right because it isn't on the correct piece of paper at this exact moment in time. Gun ownership and militia maintenance is less practically important today than ever before, but access to healthcare will always be extremely important.
Doctors wouldn't mind making less profit if we subsidized their educations as many other countries do (meaning they graduate and begin practice with little or no debt).
Promoting the general welfare means whatever congress wants it to, until the supreme court says "that's ridiculous" or the populace rebels. Simple as that. Don't pretend our system was set in stone in the 1700s.
Do you believe Medicare is unconstitutional? How about Medicaid and the rest of our social safety net? As is shown in other developed nations, a strong social safety net includes guaranteed healthcare (beyond the US standard of "show up to an ER and we won't kill you").
There's our main difference - you're approaching this from a dogmatic standpoint. You say more government = bad, less government = good, end of discussion.
I say more government can be, BUT isn't automatically bad. More government can be great, when it's needed - see the civil rights act for an example (and, in my opinion, our current healthcare situation). I'm not a big fan of authoritarian groups and cultures, which is one of the reasons I dislike the republican party.
I'm making a couple of assumptions in this, sorry if I'm off. Since you're an American right-libertarian (ie sort of anarcho-capitalist), I'll assume you were raised religious but are now non-religious.
I'd like to urge you to examine your beliefs, particularly your faith in free markets and capitalism, and consider whether your faith in those is really any more rational than the spiritual faith in the community in which you were raised... whether you simply traded one for another.
Government can work to better society, however ever since the conservative resurgence in American politics, it has been steadily broken to serve the wealthy and not the many. And when the many complain that they don't see their tax dollars going to work, the Republicans cite their own misrule as evidence that government cannot work.
Government can work, and it did after the Great Depression, it just needs to be safe guarded from those who seek to sabotage it, the conservatives and the wealthy.
Oh no, it's not the wealth that makes them evil. No no no, there's plenty of good people among the wealthy, I'm sure. The problem I have is when they use that wealth to exert political power to the detriment of everyone.
And really now, would you consider what the highest paid people in the country do to be 'work'? Exxon Mobil's CEO makes more in one minute than most people do in a month, and quite frankly I don't think there's anything someone could do to deserve that kind of payment.
WOOOOOO MERIKA
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redquoter 1 month ago 3
Sad to see America turning into a wasteland.
angrymarketing5 1 month ago
It's like a spoiled child when his toys get taken away.
master2497 1 month ago
Shit congress, get it together!
lordofyesteryear 1 month ago
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someguy503 1 month ago
Not a bit surprised this is another democrat liberal exercise in fellation of the left and hatred of the right. Despite what youtubians may say, we are a center-right country, and liberalism is in the minority. The GOP's plan, had any democrat chosen to listen, included tort reform to limit frivolous lawsuits and insurance competition across state lines to lower costs. But because those plans would have actually saved money and expanded coverage, making Obama look even worse, they were ignored.
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surfacing565 7 months ago
we pay congress alote to do this wow lol
Johny1578 11 months ago
Maybe he wouldn't have had to object so much if the Speaker followed the Rules of the House
PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY is an INCIDENTAL MOTION and IS IN ORDER when another person has the floor!
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HA HA HA HA YOU LIBERALS AND MEDIA MATTERS CAN SUCK OUR BALLS!!!!
TheMethadoneParty 1 year ago
@krevelify Hello. Price may have had the /right/ to be a jackass but he's still a jackass.
korona3103 1 year ago
@Sonofthebeach009 its also not the job of the federal government to provide medicare or social security or unemployment benefits but i dnt hear u complaining
ThePilotman818 1 year ago
OUT OF ORDER - no kidding
chickeee 1 year ago
"State your objection." "I object." "...Objection is heard."
pacific14586 1 year ago 12
wats the name of the guy who keeps saying that?
noone2975 1 year ago
lol, 50 some year old KIDS, i love it!!!!
NEOexSOLDIER 1 year ago
Thank God this man isnt a coward owned by the same insuance companies that got Obama started. Yes he was there lawyer now he's there president. Like the first doctor i talked to said, your insurance man was never trained to be a doctor. But now he will say what your doctor can do for you. I can and will vote for this man.
Gahillbillyusa 1 year ago
Come on stupid people. Paying a insurance company is not healthcare. Talk to your doctor. I have, 4 out of 4 say its the worst thing that ever happened to the med field. Insurance is the reason that healthcare cost so much. I paid $88 a week and still had to pay the same copayment as a person with no insurance. Your major medical wont cover your major problem. They have more lawyers than the govt. they will not pay any more than they have. Just taking your money by law. thats all this is.
Gahillbillyusa 1 year ago
i object fck its like school, most people never grow out of their school persona theyre the jerks or geeks this guys is both. lol what an ass
pfernando27 1 year ago
What anobjectass
sommeflame34 1 year ago
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being
Our forefathers knew better.
beenn15 1 year ago 4
Never seen a dem tell the truth
Gahillbillyusa 1 year ago
Hard to see how the people on youtube are so differant from people in real life. Everybody I know hate the Dens and cant wait to vote them out. There totally against freedom in any way, and mean to have us so indebt that you will never have freedom again. The real evil is the Dems. Its ok, God will avenge everything they have done under his law he will punish them. Like Brandon Lee makes a joke about christ on the cross. Only man in history shot with a stage gun. God let him say that to his face
Gahillbillyusa 1 year ago
@Gahillbillyusa What the fuck are you on about?
nightmareofsolomon 1 year ago
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1. REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL. Two massive tax cuts for the VERY RICH under Bush which were NOT paid for. 2. They ran up EIGHT TRILLION OF DEBT! When Clinton left office we had a surplus (ZERO DEBT). 3. They spend A TRILLION on the Iraq war TO DATE. 4. They DON'T want to give healthcare to the citizens in the RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD under a plan that IS PAID FOR. 5. Republicans ALSO used reconcilation! 6. They perpetuate FEAR MONGERING AND SCARE TACTICS. THEY ARE EVIL AND DISGUST ME!
ersatx210 1 year ago
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1. REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL. Two massive tax cuts for the VERY RICH under Bush which were NOT paid for. 2. They ran up EIGHT TRILLION OF DEBT! When Clinton left office we had a surplus (ZERO DEBT). 3. They spend A TRILLION on the Iraq war TO DATE. 4. They DON'T want to give healthcare to the citizens in the RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD under a plan that IS PAID FOR. 5. Republicans ALSO used reconcilation! 6. They perpetuate FEAR MONGERING AND SCARE TACTICS. THEY ARE EVIL AND DISGUST ME!
ersatx210 1 year ago 12
@ersatx210 amen!
pkmnbrawler 1 year ago
@ersatx210 I speak as a neutral Libertarian. The surplus of the 90s was created by a Republican Congress and Senate. For example they reformed welfare and nearly had to override Bill Clinton's vetoes to do it. This bill will not be paid for except by taxes on the middle class which is not an infinite source of capital.
Sonofthebeach009 1 year ago
@Sonofthebeach009 wrong
thesparitan 1 year ago
@ersatx210 1. Don't be overemotional.
2. The republican congress of the 90s generated the surplus, when they reformed welfare and nearly had to override Clinton to do it.
3. The republican spending on the Iraq war was the result of deceit, because powerful interests control the CIA.
4. It is not the job of the federal government to provide health care, and given the multitudinous money and time wasting projects that the government engages in, it should not be.
Sonofthebeach009 1 year ago
@Sonofthebeach009
1. No that wouldn't account for the money The "savings" weren't big enough.. And the GOP didn't override Clinton to cut welfare since it his idea to triangulate.
2. Yes it was a matter of deceit (though more then the CIA's) but even after knowing that they continued to fund it heavily. The OP pushed the LIE.
3. Well private health care sure isn't working. Most of those wastes you mention goes to propping up private companies. Maybe that's the problem.
booley 1 year ago
I OBJECT!
OldSouthernSoldier 1 year ago
This saves you from looking up in a dictionary what an IDIOT looks like
sommeflame34 1 year ago
proof that RepugliKKKans don't even want to listen to let alone discuss the issues of the day.
carlgt1 1 year ago
obstructionism and smartism VS socialism and stupidism and got porked by Scott Brown-ism......chumps....
hadenufnow 1 year ago
@hadenufnow you lost. this bill will never be repealed. Even those who voted against it wouldn't vote to repeal it. You can't change part of it... it's a done deal and once americans start reaping the benefits, it's gonna be hard to convince them otherwise... just like medicare. No republicans want to eliminate this gov' program known as Medicare...
this is a great era for America.
beenn15 1 year ago
@beenn15
you have no brain I am not a republican, if you read the bill and still support it then you are evil and yes there is good and evil in this world and i tell you what this is scary. Pray to god for forgiveness you are going to need it.
ag91180 1 year ago
@ag91180 God is going to kill you for not understanding his riddles.
Trent28 1 year ago
Republiscum! We need to deport these cunts to North Korea.
parakeeta2 1 year ago 2
ebery time da stock market goes abuv 10000, the socialist crap starts,,,an when it dips below 10000 they prop it back up so the socialist crap starts again...fudging jobs numbers and fudging economic numbers for fools that dont know 865 TRILLION in derivative debt means you be critical near dead as an economy and mass media paid by gubbment be like old soviet TV man...chumps...Keep da stock market below 10000 to save capitalism ...If it crashes, it even better...
hadenufnow 1 year ago
Hey you publicans,,better be hide yo money cuz i know this dude that picks yo pocket and makes you think you like it man...anybody that dont know how to hang onto their money dont deserv e to have it man....chumps
hadenufnow 1 year ago
america, america, land of liberty
MrJivePirate 2 years ago
No wonder Americans are doomed. What a bunch of dolts we have in Washington.
They have us blaming each other and that's a great way to get our eyes off of the real prize.
Total control. Dems control the media. We are lied to. obama wants to turn the US into a third world stink hole, and he's doing a great job.
This health care bill must be stopped. Every person who has private insurance will pay an extra $500 a month in premiums. EXTRA.
Can you hear me now?
Kill the bill.
4001XBASS 2 years ago
@4001XBASS How about kill republicans? Only someone who is so greedy that they think that only those with money deserve medical care. If you would deny others care just to have a few more dollars, you are a piece of garbage. I for one have no problem paying a little more in taxes to have medical care for all. I know people who have DIED due to lack of proper care. Unless you think thats a good thing, you need to rethink your position.
corgi4u 1 year ago
Hahahahahhaha
TheRimeOfIcarus 2 years ago
Noone wants? The ruling party is elected by the people, they are elected to pass laws. The Republicans are acting in a very un democratic manner.
korona3103 2 years ago 3
what a shithead, using stupid childish tactics
datoneportagee 2 years ago 3
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The commodification of human health is fundamentally a good thing in that allows stakeholders to extract value from policy holders in exchange for truncated service.
ConservativeHealth 2 years ago
I have yet to see a viable option proposed by the Republicans to the bill currently proposed...all I see is what this Republican demonstrates clearly....I OBJECT...I OBJECT...I OBJECT, ETC. Propose a solution, because doing nothing is clearly not going to fix the road ahead for America.
brownocasio 2 years ago
They really are the party of NO.
wheezdumb 2 years ago 3
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Americans do not want this bill, but our lovely Democratic Congress and President keep insisting we do. Everyone agrees that reform is needed. That's not up for debate. But no one is telling me how it is that by covering more people, I'll be paying less. They're pushing to get this passed by Christmas so they can add taxes on January 1st. They want Obama to be able to brag a political "victory" at the next State of the Union Show. Wake up. Democrats don't care about you, just your money.
asunsetinmyveins 2 years ago
If you think any political group whatsoever cares about you than you're a naive little baby with a mommy-and-daddy fetish. hth
OpheliaImmortal 2 years ago
I definitely didn't say I thought that any political group cared, so stfu.
asunsetinmyveins 2 years ago
Seems kinda silly to just rail against one of them then eh
OpheliaImmortal 2 years ago
Not really, they're the ones shoving this health care bill that no one wants down our throats, are they not?
asunsetinmyveins 2 years ago
and republicans do? bull crap
venndetta22 2 years ago
@asunsetinmyveins
I'm American, and I want it.
AnnaSmee 2 years ago 3
Good for you, you're entitled to your opinion, however, the majority of Americans do not agree.
asunsetinmyveins 2 years ago
Unfortunately for you you have no sources on that besides the words from your conservative friends.
AnnaSmee 2 years ago 2
THE current bill is not the answer ,,,does not address proper Tort Reform, "undocumented" access for expensive non-life threatening HC , & does not provide MOST IMPORTANTLY an OPT OUT Provision for those that believe it is still too bloated with waste & inefficiencies resulting in inflated premiums not in keeping with services provided.
....A mandate stuffed inside a trojan horse bill for HC is a skunk in the road...too stupid to debate...
REPEAL the BIll nobody ever wanted
hadenufnow 2 years ago
Kill the 3000 pg Illegal TAX & JAIL Trojan Horse Mandate bill nobody wants..
Kill the freakin bill..
Vote out the freaks..
nobody wants it..
hadenufnow 2 years ago
Ah the Republicans the parasites of the human race, they disgust me, and the democrats the "can you do this for me" people. Americans have to be the most impotent immature of all the nationalities. So stubborn when the world is in their greedy little hands they do nothing else but argue with each other
jakechar23 2 years ago
this is incredible
"...contines to be recognized."
"object. object. object. object."
LOLLLLLLLL
stephenlockard 2 years ago 3
The Republicans objected because the Democrats were offering long worded "revisions and extensions" of their remarks to kill the debate time so that the American people wouldn't know about the bill.
amrite 2 years ago
Trying to remove my freedom of speech will not silence the truth, liberals.
amrite 2 years ago
we should get a Parliament, way easier to see threw there lies.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
Who's trying to remove your freedom of speech? Looks like these republic party hacks are trying to remove everyone else's right to hear and be heard. Very un-American. They are what they do, not what they say. This is conservatism laid bare.
armadilloze 2 years ago 14
This video was taken out of context. I saw the whole session. I'm not trying to be partisan, armadilloze. All I'm saying is, the Democrats were making those requests to use up time for debate, while the Republicans tried asking for an additional hour to debate, but the Dems objected in return, and now we have this.
amrite 2 years ago
amwrong: Sorry, I saw 2-3 other clips of this (but not the whole thing). Accompanying news accounts explained why these attempts to delay were out of order, as if it weren't self-evident. The ins co lobbyists' henchmen have a goal, stated even, to block ANY reform by any means. They want to protect lifetime/annual caps, rescission, denied claims, and rationing by pre-existing condition and price (cherry-picking). The republic party does their bidding in this clip. Clear enough.
armadilloze 2 years ago 3
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So clearly you wish to be partisan. Oh by the way, I saw the WHOLE THING, LIVE on c-span. They want to protect the people of AMERICA from the Democratic communist plan of destroying business across the nation, by raising health care costs, and putting govt controls on everything.
amrite 2 years ago
amwrong: Sorry again, people know this was not the time to interrupt. And why only women?
We the People need to protect ourselves from ins co's. Did you see where Aetna Friday said they are canceling 650,000 policies in 2010? I know how much you wingers like canceling, which is actually RATIONING. The rest will see rate increases, they promised, another form of RATIONING. So who is "raising health care costs" *by their own admission*? Stand up for yourself, you don't have to be a corp. serf!
armadilloze 2 years ago 2
amwrong: "We" are the government. Your side is just very unpopular now due to its devastation of the economy and Iraq the last 8 years. Elections have consequences. The failed "different world" of crony capitalism is dead. As Boss Limpbaugh said. "Shut the hell up until you win an election." I agree with the leader of the republic party on that.
Bush unemployment rate: 750,000/mo. Today: Down to 11,000 and headed in the right direction. Give up, we the people won't forget your failure of 2008.
armadilloze 2 years ago
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Our leaders are not leading. They need to put their feet in the shoes of working Americans…. Instead, all they think about is re-election and implementing United Nations Agenda 21 and ICELI. If you don't know what UN Agenda 21 and ICELI are, then LEARN before you vote! It's why Obama did nothing to help US people--Obama wants WORLD redistribution of wealth.
vechorik 5 months ago
I object, I object, I object, I object, I object.
I'm sorry I didn't catch that the first time. Could you repeat that?
luanluan2006 2 years ago 4
I object to Reps from South Carolina and Georgia representing the Republican Party. There has to be someone else.
jpgeddies 2 years ago
"Let's just give the government all our money so we can be poor and miserable together!"
I like that idea. I have no shame admitting that I come from a poor immigrant family with 2 parents that had nothing beyond a high school education. I was raised on welfare and grew up depressed because of a long list of traumatic events that turned me into a self-hating, miserable person. I would LOVE to take happiness from the happy people, with taxing the rich heavily being one way of doing so.
jfkjrlover 2 years ago
Stupid childish Republican sounds like a fricking Homo
StateOfTheArts 2 years ago
haha right wing terrorists.
vincevince801 2 years ago
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Communist work camps alive and well? Better believe it. Google "seattle conservative culture examiner" for the article.
capitalismvcommunism 2 years ago
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bg200h 2 years ago
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FUCK you lazy ignorant radical leftist bastards! Get a job and pay for your own healthcare like the rest of working class America! This government has bankrupt social security, medicare, and has had to print off billions of dollars in the last few months for the out of control spending that our socialist piece of shit so called "president" has done! Do you really think the government could properly run a health care reforum? THIS WILL BANKRUPT OUR ENTIRE NATION!!!!!!
bg200h 2 years ago
only in America is healthcare a leftist cause. It's actually supported by right wingers in the rest of the world, maybe with the exception of their versions of Strom or Rush or Hitler.
You're as ignorant as you are two-faced you lying worthless cunt, Just slide the gun into your mouth and pull the trigger before the proud steel of the weapon makes you come all over your collection of war atrocity photographs. You sodding douchebag cunt of a disease. Fuck you.
youvexme 2 years ago 4
Your retarded. Get a job and earn your own. It's not fair to make 85% of the population suffer for the lower 15%. Look up congressman Mike Rogers. He has the right idea
bg200h 2 years ago
Is that what Jesus said at the Sermon on the Mount? The poor are just lazy-ass losers who should get a job? Many of the poor have several jobs and still can't afford health care and only go to the emergency room when it's an emergency and sometimes die because they didn't detect and treat an illness until it progressed to a deadly stage. Have a heart and stop thinking only of your well-being! Think of others, too!
jfkjrlover 2 years ago
Substitute "I object" with "obselete" and you have the perfect response of the republican party. When will the American People realize that "one side of the aisle" is populated by nothing but terrorist criminals out to destroy this country? AND they're plotting another election theft as we debate their fate!!
callouschristian 2 years ago
Don't worry, those of us in GA 6th will be voting this jerk out - he'll go back to clipping toenails.
HAS562 2 years ago
Another laughable history-book moment by the conservative party.
kingme99 2 years ago
Does he object?
jadewuzlyke 2 years ago 3
I object! That was... objectionable!
concordat 2 years ago
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Shows what most libtards in this thread know about Robert's Rules. The parliamentary inquiry was entirely proper.
TruthHurts100 2 years ago
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kelsbackonyoutub 2 years ago
i am five years old. i object. obamacare bad. put a dick in my mouth
thunderfingers3 2 years ago
Omg this is funny xD
Sandsaw09 2 years ago
which one is the republican
zzzdude9 2 years ago
what a d-bag
drchango2010 2 years ago
the end is near
ttam72 2 years ago
can you tell me what next weeks lotto # will be too
ttam72 2 years ago
I vote for Pyro!
Cesiachan 2 years ago
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HEY, MediaMattersAction, I found some MAO-ist typos in your title! Here's the CORRECTION:
"As Democrats try to expand GOVERNMENT access to quality health care coverage TAKEOVER, House Republicans -- AND MOST AMERICANS! -- routinely object."
DemocratsTREASON 2 years ago
@DemocratsTREASON,
Check the polling from 2007 to 2009 - you'll find that before (and even after) the republican/industry FUD, there's been a 70%+ support for strong public option (like opt-in-and-pay-for-it Medicare), and 55% support for straight single-payer (abolish private insurance, create Medicare-for-all).
Either way, the public wants a public plan - that's undeniable. It's just a matter of whether we get the great but moderately popular one, or the nice but overwhelmingly popular one.
h4KK 2 years ago
i object
i object
i object
i object
i lol'd
Tenetri 2 years ago
So by this point the US Congress is basically high school debate club.
SAGEBOT500 2 years ago 2
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stupad americains
stupedpindos 2 years ago
I hate parliamentary procedure.
nzkobc 2 years ago 2
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DogmanIsReal 2 years ago
@DogmanIsReal,
So would you dislike the HR676 single-payer bill (it's under ten pages iirc)? It featured government-run insurance and privately-run medical care: think Medicare, but for everybody at every age.
Or is your objection just based on some idea that the government isn't comprised of the people, elected by the people and designed for the benefit of the people?
Are you one of those who think Keynesian economics etc can't be valid because public work and public money don't count?
h4KK 2 years ago
and they only work 8 months so the remainder if the year she can spend with grandpa oh theirgrandkids have also graduated from college that they didnt have to pay for either meanwhile we go out and try to find a job in our broken economy
MrMrbobblehead 2 years ago 2
well at least france isnt paying for there crappy health care and grandma dont have to choose between heart medication and her elctric bill which is keeping grandpa alive
MrMrbobblehead 2 years ago 2
after world war 2 nobody had ins. and there was alot of people in need of medical attention unlike america who tries to capitalize on it peoples misfourtune europe had no choice in the matter and regardless of wht you say our insurance companies are bankrupting us and within 10 years 70% of america will eligible for retirement
MrMrbobblehead 2 years ago
he sounds like SUCH A BITCH lol annoying ass voice
mza131313 2 years ago
If i was the judge i would hit the shit in the face
qriller 2 years ago
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This was a little rude and probably not that effective but anything to stop this bill would be great. Government run healthcare does not work. don't be quick to assume that that it works in europe either. every country in the EU that has government run healthcare is losing a lot of money, not to mention the population in Europe has dropped 17% since this form of healthcare was incorporated.
laxnlnsctt34 2 years ago
You've been drinking the kool-aid laxnInsctt34.
This bill is not nearly the deprivitization of healthcare that we need.
BTW - Govt run healthcare DOES work. On the whole we pay twice as much per person as any other country and deliver sub-par quality.
I'm sure you hate France for instance. They pay half as much as we do and deliver cadillac coverage to all as a basic right.
Half.
Half.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
rbarna1 2 years ago 2
poor you.... no clue
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ttam72 2 years ago
@ttam72,
Sorry if you hold the constitution up as an unchangeable holy text written by God's favored prophet.
You'll remember that once upon a time, slavery was constitutional. Slavery was considered part of basic property rights for men of those times, and treated just as legitimately as all our other rights, despite being a disgusting and immoral practice. That changed.
On top of "LIFE, liberty, pursuit of happiness" your holy text has WELFARE CLAUSES. Check them out - UHC is legal.
h4KK 2 years ago
are you so stupid to think that the government won't srew heathcare up.
don't be so gullible
ttam72 2 years ago
Did the government screw up the highway system? The telephone system? Police and fire departments? Water delivery and sanitation and a million other things you rely on daily to lead your very comfortable life? No.
gogogojira 2 years ago
those are all state run .
let me keep it simple for you because you are an idiot.
You are in a pool with 10 friends (you all have health insurance) and there are 4 lifegaurds (they are doctors). And then you have 1,000,000 people outside the pool (they don't have health insurance).
Obama puts everyone in the pool.
What are your chances of getting help if you start drowning?
its common sense that you don't have I guess.
ttam72 2 years ago
give a thumbs down if the truth hurts
ttam72 2 years ago
Please google the Federal Aid Highway Act of 1925, and the Interstate Highway Act of 1956. You'll be surprised what a little knowledge can do for you!
Oh, and your analogy is ridiculous, but you knew that, which is why you used it. Don't keep things simple for me: I'm a teacher. Please explain yourself using real world examples and legal precedents. Make it as complex as you'd like ... unless you only know how to keep it simple.
gogogojira 2 years ago
What's missing here? Why are you talking to no one and asking this non-present person to look up Eisenhower's proposal of constructing thousands of miles of road?
Did someone by any chance delete their comments or something around those lines?
mgy1523 2 years ago
This is question is directed towards gogogojira
mgy1523 2 years ago
I replied to ttam72. He/she tries to differentiate between state-run and Federal in an effort to spread fear of a government health insurance option, but has no idea what he/she is talking about. I mentioned the highway system and other services which the government provides, and he/she called them state-run. Hardly. All of these were once Federal programs which, once proven successful, were given to states to run individually. Faced with fact, the name-calling begins, as always.
gogogojira 2 years ago
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EVERY TEACHER I EVER MET WAS A LIBTARD TOOL.
Obama care is a huge waste of money.
to add 31 million people and not expect taxes to go up .
go back to brainwashing children with your ass backwards way of thinking.
ttam72 2 years ago
Well, you've just explained your own ignorance. Knowing is half the battle, so they say.
gogogojira 2 years ago
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well, how do you think we are going to add 31 million people to ObamaCare without taxes going sky high?
magic?
ttam72 2 years ago
@ttam72 - the 31 million still have to pay for their insurance. This isn't a government handout. PLEASE READ THE LEGISLATION!!! I know that there's a lot of misinformation out there about what's in this bill, 'death panels' being one of the most ridiculous things, but please know what's being discussed before opposing it so vehemently.
gogogojira 2 years ago 2
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Death panels ARE in the plan so you better read the plan before you open you mouth.
Im done with you. you are way too brainwashed to make any sense
ttam72 2 years ago
There are no 'death panels', there are no government give-aways in the legislation, and illegal immigrants are not covered; three incredible lies easily dismissed if only the people who believe these things would bother to read. We've been debating the legislation in my class for the past week. Not the crap that's been floated by Palin and Beck, but the ACTUAL legislation that has come from the Senate. You're done with me because you refuse to read the bill for fear of admitting you're wrong.
gogogojira 2 years ago
OK tell me why I should be for this bill?
No government give-aways are you high?
to pay for this they will tax Insurance companies, witch will cause them to raise premiums that I will have to pay or my work will have to pay. then my work might just cancel the insurance then I would be forced to go on the public option . And I don't want crappy Government heathcare . Maybe you want heath care as good as the post office but I don't.
ttam72 2 years ago
No, they're not taxing health insurance companies. What they are doing is providing a health care plan where you will not be excluded because of pre-existing conditions, will not have an upper limit on legitimate health care expenses, and will not have to fight for coverage of basic care needs.
gogogojira 2 years ago
Ten years ago, 95% of money paid to health insurance companies went to health care. Currently, it is down to 85% - the other 10% is being paid to share holders, and used for advertisements and exorbitant executive pay. The public option will force insurance companies to spend more of their money on actual health care in order to be competitive. This is good for all of us. Government isn't running health care, it's simply making deals with private insurers to bring down rates.
gogogojira 2 years ago
This will not force the insurance companies to do anything but raise rates.
I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale by the way.
ttam72 2 years ago
ttam: So what does the bill say who sits on these supposed Death Panels? Govt employees? Elected? Appointed? Private doctors? How are people notified of their panel meeting? Mail? Phone? Visit? Is it like jury duty? What if you miss your appointment - are you arrested? What;s the punishment for failure to appear? Can you appeal their finding? Please answer by quoting from proposed legislation. Otherwise, not interested. Only verifiable facts count.
Sanford/Ensign 12
armadilloze 2 years ago
H.R. 1 (more commonly known as the Recovery and Reinvestment Act) contains a whopping $1.1 billion to fund the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research. Daschle's stated purpose (and therefore President Obama's purpose) for creating the Council is to empower an unelected bureaucracy to make the hard decisions about health care rationing that elected politicians are politically unable to make.
ttam72 2 years ago
ttam: You ducked all the questions. You're a beaten man. Give up.
Thought I saved the text but can't find it offhand. The Senate bill actually contains language prohibiting rationing by law, though.
We have rationing NOW. Canceling your policy when you get sick is RATIONING. Delaying payment hoping you'll give up is RATIONING. Losing your insurance if you want to take a better job is RATIONING. All that crap goes way with all proposed legislation BY LAW. No more CEOs dictating your life!
armadilloze 2 years ago
ttantrum: Not what I was looking for but close. From H.R. 3962, Comparative Effectiveness Research (CER):
Sec. 1401 (j) RESEARCH MAY NOT BE USED TO DENY OR RATION CARE. Nothing in this section shall be construed to make more stringent or otherwise change the standards or requirements for coverage of items and services under this Act.
Libertarians make up stuff as you go along to try to fool other gullible nitwits like yourself. Give up, loser, we ain't buyin'. Stick to your own kind.
armadilloze 2 years ago
weak come back.
typical Lib name calling.
I don't beleive a thing you say "nitwit"
ttam72 2 years ago
ttantrum:
READ THE BILL.
Or get an adult to read it to you.
Yeah, the actual wording of the bill is a "weak come back [sic]." What else can you say about the libertarian mind that you don't demonstrate yourself at every turn?
I saw you doing a lot of unwarranted name calling, so a name that fits is certainly warranted. You can't even READ THE BILL, to repeat. What would you call that? HAHAHA!
Go find a cancel-happy CEO to suck up to. I'll decide my own fate by due process, thank you.
armadilloze 2 years ago
OK Armadilldoze.
go back to watching MSNBC. You are a brain washed fool.
Also 54% of the population is against National heathcare .thats more than who voted for Obama.
so "my kind" outnumbers your kind.
bye bye ARMdildo
ttam72 2 years ago
ttantrum: Very few people want some nanny CEO running their lives. Only losers want lifetime or yearly pmt caps, canceled policies when you get cancer or diabetes, legitimate claim denial, medical bankruptcy even with insurance, and all the other ripoffs CEOs FORCE on you involuntarily. Be a man, stand up for yourself! You don't have to take their crap! Wy do weak-willed libertarians have such a death wish or like going bankrupt? You need assertiveness training. Or just a pair, perhaps. HAHAHA!
armadilloze 2 years ago
ARMADILLDO
Unlike you I don't need the government to take care of me.
I have never heard of a single person getting canceled because of cancer and I have had two aunt with cancer and also have known many others with cancer who all kept thier insurance.
The democrats will fuck this up and it will cost us Trillions (the republicans would fuck it up too)
This all a power grab to controll more of our lives.
It is very sad that you and "your kind" fail to see that.
Rachel Maddow=Glenn Beck
ttam72 2 years ago
ttam, the CEO huggin' man: You haven't heard of anyone getting canceled because like most wingers, you are uninformed. I see stories on local news all the time. Heard stories at a party last Friday night. Read many personal accounts online. A woman near Dallas was cut off in the middle of chemo and almost died. She testified before Congress. The ignorant never heard of her story.
Ignorance never solved a problem. Willfully ignorant voters like you create problems for all, not just themselves.
armadilloze 2 years ago
Armdildo / DNC puppet
I know actual people not some stories I may have heard like you.
Talk about ignorant, you think the government will help healthcare LMFAO.
S.S. is bankrupt the postoffice is losing money hand over fist.
Take a look as Massachusetts Romney care (it is bankrupting the state)
It sounds pretty stupid to me to let Washington run , or have anything to do with healthcare.
Also the death pannels are implied. try reading between the lines its in the Bakus bill.
ttam72 2 years ago
ttam, the ins co lapdog: Sorry, to repeat, I talked with "actual people" as recently as Friday night.
WHY do you think the losers who got us into this mess can or will get us out? We tried it your way and it failed. Only a conservative or libertarian would call a plumber who messed up and flooded his house to come back to fix it.
You wingers are in LOVE with proven failure. You WANT to be left bankrupt even though you paid your premiums. Losers hang with losers - that's all I can figure. Sad.
armadilloze 2 years ago
Your blind devotion to the democrat party and government in general is truley scary.
I hope you get brain cancer and have to rely on your Public option for help.
RIP
I pray for your soul
ttam72 2 years ago
ttantrum: To see the results of ignorant voting, Google "Nataline Sarkisyan." Your blind devotion to CEOs' Death Panel at CIGNA killed her. Happy now? The republic party is the Party of Death. Are you next? Maybe.
You cost us jobs, too. Toyota built a factory in Canada due to high HC costs in Alabama.
What pisses me off is that self-destructive, low information voters like you not only cost you money and lives, they cost ME too! We simpy can't afford more conservatism after your 2008 debacle.
armadilloze 2 years ago
I have been to your Youtube page and by looking at all your Rachel Maddow clips I now know all I need to about you.
you are a brainwashed Lib Tard Moonbat.
2010 will see Congress swing back to the right .
go buy extra tissues now for all the crying I expect you to do LOL
ttam72 2 years ago
ttam the Death Panel Man: See the jobs data today? We are moving further away from conservatism's 750,000 jobs a month lost. Once again, liberals have to fix your many failures. CNBC said job loss is likely at zero now due to the lag in reporting. HAHAHA!
Also, your hero CEO at Aetna today said they are canceling 650,000 policies in 2010. I know how much wingers like canceling, which is actually RATIONING. The rest will see rate increases, they promised, another form of RATIONING. Happy now?
armadilloze 2 years ago
ttam the last winger left man: People self-identified as in the republic party was 20% last summer. By fall, that dropped to 20%. That's a loss of 1/5 of their base in just months. Give up. It's over. And libertarians are lost in the background noise, too small to measure.
We patriots may lose a few seats, usually do in the mid-terms. But who wants to go back to the misery of 2008 (besides self-haters like you)? Sorry, the battle cry is "Remember 2008!" We simply can't afford conservatism.
armadilloze 2 years ago
ttam the rationing man: Forgot to add: By contrast to Aetna, Medicare, a govt-run (well, single payer, doctors still work for themselves) plan, has never canceled anyone. Under ALL proposed reforms, no one can dictate your coverage like Aetna is doing to its customers. We the People decide our own coverage. My guess you like being a voiceless peon and therefore back Aetna's new rationing plan. Too bad for those now in chemo, I guess. Cut them off, go to Aetna's Death Panel. That's your plan.
armadilloze 2 years ago
ttam, the CEO ass-kissin' man: Almost forgot: Still waiting for a reply about how your imaginary "Death Panels" work. The entire libertarian movement is counting on you to back up your crazy conspiracy claims. Also, what about black helicopters and fluoridation? HAHAHA!
Ins premiums doubled under BushCult. At the present rate of increase, they'll double again by 2016. Avg. $25,000 for a family of 4. How will you pay? THAT is a "power grab" by CEOs if voters don't take responsibility NOW.
armadilloze 2 years ago
ttam: Let's try again, libertarian question ducker:
So what does the bill say who sits on these supposed Death Panels? Govt employees? Elected? Appointed? Private doctors? How are people notified of their panel meeting? Mail? Phone? Visit? Is it like jury duty? What if you miss your appointment - are you arrested? What's the punishment for failure to appear? Can you appeal their finding? Please answer by quoting from proposed legislation. Otherwise, not interested. Only verifiable facts count.
armadilloze 2 years ago
promoting the general "welfare" does not mean free healthcare .
is English your 2nd language?
ttam72 2 years ago
@ttam72 : I suppose you're one of those people who believe gun ownership is a right, but affordable health care isn't. Get out of the cave, caveman.
gogogojira 2 years ago
Yes gun ownership is a right it is in the constitution .
what is "affordable"? 1$ 2$ 100$.
who is going to want to be a doctor if there is no profit in it?
There are mary ways to bring the cost of health care down without the government running it.
How about tort reform.
or being able to shop for insurance outside your home state.
2 things Obama won't do. Why? because of speical interests groups that support Obama and the democrats.
go back to drinking you Kool aid
ttam72 2 years ago
@ttam72,
You seem to have a strange, legalistic idea of rights - that something cannot be a right because it isn't on the correct piece of paper at this exact moment in time. Gun ownership and militia maintenance is less practically important today than ever before, but access to healthcare will always be extremely important.
Doctors wouldn't mind making less profit if we subsidized their educations as many other countries do (meaning they graduate and begin practice with little or no debt).
h4KK 2 years ago
@ttam72,
Promoting the general welfare means whatever congress wants it to, until the supreme court says "that's ridiculous" or the populace rebels. Simple as that. Don't pretend our system was set in stone in the 1700s.
Do you believe Medicare is unconstitutional? How about Medicaid and the rest of our social safety net? As is shown in other developed nations, a strong social safety net includes guaranteed healthcare (beyond the US standard of "show up to an ER and we won't kill you").
h4KK 2 years ago
We live in a Constitutional Republic NOT a Democracy.
I have sense that you would like the US to be a Socialist state where the government runs your life from craddle to grave.
I just want as little government as possible.
It is what this country was founded on and why we fought the British to have our own "personal liberties"
Less Government =good
more government =bad
its that simple.
so get the fuck out of my wallet
ttam72 2 years ago
@ttam72,
There's our main difference - you're approaching this from a dogmatic standpoint. You say more government = bad, less government = good, end of discussion.
I say more government can be, BUT isn't automatically bad. More government can be great, when it's needed - see the civil rights act for an example (and, in my opinion, our current healthcare situation). I'm not a big fan of authoritarian groups and cultures, which is one of the reasons I dislike the republican party.
h4KK 2 years ago
I am a libertarian.and dislike both the Repubs and dems.
I don't want or need anyones help
ttam72 2 years ago
@ttam72,
I'm making a couple of assumptions in this, sorry if I'm off. Since you're an American right-libertarian (ie sort of anarcho-capitalist), I'll assume you were raised religious but are now non-religious.
I'd like to urge you to examine your beliefs, particularly your faith in free markets and capitalism, and consider whether your faith in those is really any more rational than the spiritual faith in the community in which you were raised... whether you simply traded one for another.
h4KK 2 years ago
Never was religious.
as I get older and pay more taxes I find myself fed up with more and more government programs and higher and higher taxes.
How come when I don't have the money to buy something I don't buy it.
But the government has no clue how to budget.
We need to cut spending and get our budget back down before we can even entertain the idea of universal health care.
ttam72 2 years ago
@ttam72 , tho i dissagree with your opinion, im happy to see a republican that uses knowlege than just swearing aton. So, i respect our opinion.
TheAmericanCanadian 2 years ago
thanks for your comment but I am not a Repubican.
I am a registered independant.
I would call myself more of a Libertarian
ttam72 2 years ago
Government can work to better society, however ever since the conservative resurgence in American politics, it has been steadily broken to serve the wealthy and not the many. And when the many complain that they don't see their tax dollars going to work, the Republicans cite their own misrule as evidence that government cannot work.
Government can work, and it did after the Great Depression, it just needs to be safe guarded from those who seek to sabotage it, the conservatives and the wealthy.
concordat 2 years ago
maybe we should just kick all the evil rich people out of the country.
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -Thomas Jefferson
ttam72 2 years ago
Oh no, it's not the wealth that makes them evil. No no no, there's plenty of good people among the wealthy, I'm sure. The problem I have is when they use that wealth to exert political power to the detriment of everyone.
And really now, would you consider what the highest paid people in the country do to be 'work'? Exxon Mobil's CEO makes more in one minute than most people do in a month, and quite frankly I don't think there's anything someone could do to deserve that kind of payment.
concordat 2 years ago
i smell jealousy
ttam72 2 years ago