To all you who are commenting saying you don't believe in God, I have one question. If you have absolutely no faith in God, then why are you watching this video? Obviously you have questions about faith that you want answers for.
@utupoe111 Just be very carefull buddy,blaspheming, tempting God, "If God Existed"
he would actually exist! If things started going wrong in your life, in a big way, say fatal car accidents, seriously ill health, relationship breakups etc, who would you point the finger at? It can't be God, because in your world he doesn't exist eh?
Well I reckon when, and if these things do happen, you will still blame God!
@oscar45515 I'll "tempt god" all I want. Nothing will happen, and if it does, it is merely a coincidence.
Saying I'll blame god for the misfortunes in my life is absolutely ridiculous. I don't believe in god. That's like blaming santa when you don't get christmas presents.
And to answer your question, I won't point the finger at anyone. Stuff happens, and it's no one's fault. If I were you, I'd feel very insulted that your own "father" is the one punishing you daily just for existing.
whomever is marking my posts as spam, you're simply proving my point about the desparation and dishonesty of the church.
If you can't handle reality, that's fine, go watch tv, but to try to shut away logic and reason simply because it conflicts with your own, poorly-considered and illogical philosophy simply goes to further validate more reasons why your religion is dangerous.
If you can't beat me with sense and reason, then you've lost already - as you're proving.
@TheRealityofNature You cant just say i'm wrong your right! You haven't even proven any thing!! You cant win in a argument my friend! ''....but to try to shut away logic and reason simply because it conflicts with your own, poorly-considered and illogical philosophy simply goes to further validate more reasons why your religion is dangerous.'' I am not trying to shut away logic. Also you cant say i have an illogical religion without proving what makes it illogical.
Logic is a set of rules. They work. The computer you're using is a product of logic - pretty much anything you touch, including your conditioned air is manipulated by some product of logic. Science uses logic.
Some of the rules of logic include "fallacies" - that's something that breaks a law. If I say "you are a goat" then I've just committed a fallacy. i've been illogical.
The rule I've broken is that of an unsubstantated assertion - a blind assertion. I've attempted to state as fact, something for which no defensible, intelligent evidence exists. Actually we do things like this all the time. I assume you're male. you live in the usa<- that's a big fat fallacy.
So - religion is a fallacy. it asserts as fact, without any intelligent proof that a god exists. it's a blind assertion.
@TheRealityofNature And you cant not believe in something. You say you don't believe in anything, but that just makes it clear that you do....Nothing.
"the church. It is not a building its the people."
yup,which is why I said:
"you're simply proving my point about the desparation and dishonesty of the church"
Or do you think I was trying to call a building "dishonest"?
Okay look. This is not going to get anywhere quickly. I can sense you're angry. But, guy, you're 14. Instead of getting angry at me, why not just sit back for a sec. WHY are you angry at me? Think about it, then let me know and we'll fix that first ok?
"Also you cant say i have an illogical religion without proving what makes it illogical."
Logic is a set of rules. They work. The computer you're using is a product of logic - pretty much anything you touch, including your conditioned air is manipulated by some product of logic. Science uses logic.
Some of the rules of logic include "fallacies" - that's something that breaks a law. If I say "you are a goat" then I've just committed a fallacy. i've been illogical.
That statement of your being a goat is a blind assertion. It's an attempted statement of fact for which no defensible, intelligent evidence exists.
We do things like this all the time. Usually it doesn't matter, when it comes to you telling me how I should live, and enforcing it by law - it sure does matter.
So - religion is a fallacy. it asserts as fact, without any intelligent proof that a god exists.
@RiotGuy117 If I may jump in the burden of proof isn't on TheRealityofNature to disprove God, the burden of proof is on you to prove he does exist, the same way if I said there's a teapot orbiting earth, it's up to me to prove that teapot exists, not up to you to prove it doesn't exist.
It's because somone got scared, and marked my comments as spam - theists do this all the time.
There's two options. you can go down and click on "see all comments, then leaf through the pages and find them, then click on "show" next to the comment.
Or I can repost them.
I prefer the former, I like having my comments marked as spam, it shows me when I'm hitting a nerve.
Some theist cowards is actually blocking you, and everyone else from seeing my comments - if you go to "view all comments" and then click on the number 1, then do a page search for my username, you'll find all the posts I sent to you, all marked as spam.
What's amusing is your little attempt at vitriol is now more appropriately directed towards whichever of you theists attempted to censor me.
as you say- people don't want to recognize their sin - the sin of illogic.
1. JC is not so much a son, as a human manifestation of a god. Gods don't die.
2. Even if JC WERE a son, it shows your god approves of human sacrifice. Revoltingly enough, he uses his own son to to deliver humans from the sins he created them with, for the choices he knew they would make - violating laws he made himself
"and I don't want to hear your so called FACTs."
yes, I know. Listening to facts & thinking logically destroys theism. That's why you run scared from it
God sent the flood because the people thought that they all we're gods and mocked Noah saying "Their is no one God". You and I don't know what the people we're like, but they most have been bad for a God who loves them to send the flood.
Behold the future religion: "The water barer"... I wonder what made up deity THIS one's going to be... I'm guessing the new Christian religion will be "space" oriented and will no doubt embrace science....well at least the churches view point of it: "Oh sure there are other planets out there, but our God created them too". ..What a crock. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Wonderful. Unfortunately many human beings have lived on this planet for many years but have not bothered no know what lies outside. Thanks Giglio for your move. This helps us to understand the greatness and the wisdom of our creator. It is not at all a threat to our creator as I heard some friends saying.
Wonderful. Unfortunately many human beings have lived on this planet for many years but have not bothered no know what lies outside. Thanks Giglio for your move. This helps us to understand the greatness and the wisdom of our creator. It is not at all a threat to our creator as I heard some friends saying.
@popstargirl79 Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed(Leviticus 20:9)
People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God(Leviticus 21:17-18)
And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.(Exodus 21:7-8)
@stepharnos God's love letter? haha good one. You do know that the bible was written by humans right? No god has touched any scripture themselves. It was all written by human beings. Also, the original versions of your bible does not exist anymore because it was burned or translated.
@BigChad72 humans inspired by the Spirit of God, humans who lived geographically @different places, @different times who did not know each other, and amazingly communicate the single plan of God to save mankind through His Son Jesus Christ
Also, most of those Hubble images are false color. That's right, they do not look like that to the human eye. We are cut off, biologically, from experiencing their full existence. Humans only see a portion of the full light spectrum. So God makes all this amazing stuff, doesn't tell us about it, tells us silly little stories that directly contradict it, and then doesn't even equip us with the basic tools to see them fully. No logical and honest person could believe that....
@alxseg1 there are no contradicts in the bible, all the suggested contradicts have an explanation. Just because you think it's illogical doesn't mean doesn't mean it's wrong, there are mabye more things in life for you to discover.
Why did God not mention any of this stuff in the bible? He makes all this awesomeness to send us some message, and then leaves it out of the 1 book that is supposed to be his major communication? Not only does he leave all this stuff out, but clearly states in several passages that the sun orbits the earth. Genesis also says that he created light on day 1, but did not create the source of all light until day 4. How did this book not only omit all this amazing stuff, but get it so wrong?
@theRealityofNature yes, it breaks his heart that those who he created with love would choose hell but in the end he has to purge sin so those who aren't justified because their ignorance and pride wouldn't except the gospel must go to hell because at the end of all things is the glorification of god, whether we like it or not
"yes, it breaks his heart that those who he created with love would choose hell"
your all-knowing god new these people would make the choices they do, before he even created them.
He holds a lump of clay called "Mahatma Ghandi" - not yet alive. looks at it and says "when I create this guy, he'll spend his life loving my other creations, and eternity being tortured while I watch"... and goes ahead and makes Mahatma Ghandi anyhow.
@TheRealityofNature God creates us with the option to choose eternal life by sacrificing our earthly pleasures or to enjoy the years we have here to the fullest of our sinful desires. he knows every breath we take, and he does know what choice we will make, but he does not make it for us. we each make a conscious choice to deny him or follow him. without God, what is the meaning of life? if you are willing, i would suggest the reading of Ecclesiastes, as it discusses the meaning of life.
"God creates us with the option to choose eternal life...."
sigh..
Okayyy..
1. your god is an all knowing, all powerful creator.
2. your god creates you knowing EXACTLY the choices you make - he could create you differently - and you'd have different choices - and he'd know them too.
You don't get it - if your creator is all knowing, that PRECLUDES "free choice". it's logically impossible. think about it, think hard, don't say stupid things any more. okay? really.
@TheRealityofNature Hey, two things. People that died from the flood didn't go to hell they went to a place called Abraham's busom, waiting to be judged by God. Also they all had a chance to be saved but they mocked Noah saying he was crazy. For the kids and babys since they did not know sin they went to Haven. .
1. Your god wilfully murderd thousands of his own creations. The stupid is: he knew he was going to do it. While creating these people, he was humming to himself "because I know all, I know I'll be brutally drowning all these people soon."
There are no "chances" for people you god creates. There are no "surprises" for your god - no "tests" he knows everything already.
So, since your god deliberately created people he knew he was going to murder - kinda makes ya wonder.
@TheRealityofNature Also, God created the world by taking his energy and transforming it to matter. Remember how energy cant be created, so he did not create it. Also if you think that a big bang happened yes it did... God made a very BIG BANG lol. But how could the universe be created by chance since matter or energy cant be created?
@TheRealityofNature You don't want to believe that you sin, therefor making intelligent excuses to say that you we're not created. Now your probably will find a way to see mistakes in my sentence or Google the stuff i'm saying to see if its true or not. Don't waste your time my friend, don't you have important things to do?
@TheRealityofNature Now we both know i cant prove God and you cant disprove God ether. Your ''Facts' you talk about in you info on your profile talk about how what you believe in is Fact not theory. Now you don't talk about what you believe in but you seem to Hate Creationists. May i ask why?
Creationism is rape of logic. Creationists rape science.
They present a purely absurd approach to discovery - that is; assume the premise first, then cherry pick the data to prove it. There is NO WAY to falsify creationism. Not a single way - thus, it can not be science, it is not logical. It's been thrown out of the courts already - so the cretinists simply attempt to redefine Science. - its obscene, immoral and absurd.
@RiotGuy117 "Is it Evolution you believe in? If so your wasting time with your Circular Reasoning.
Ah , good, because I don't believe in it. here's a tip for you guy; I have no belief. If the logic, the facts and the reason POINT to a valid, testable conclusion, then you sure as shit, do not have grounds to insist it's wrong.
Evolution is 100% UNREFUTED. Cretinsts whimper at this fact and say "but scientists question it" - YES - THAT'S WHAT SCIENTISTS DO! THEY QUESTION THINGS.
Are there any theists posting, or watching, who don't understand this series is simply a massive monument to the logical fallacy - "argument from ignorance"?
Does anyone actually understand why this series is just simply saying "I don't understand things, therefore god exists" - and does anyone recognize why saying exactly this, is really just ... stupid?
I don't get why you're all so damn gullible and thoughtless.
@khooby922 you got me, that time is spent saying that you need to pet God's ego so that you can go to heaven. Church time is saved for telling people how to behave and be good little followers.
@BigChad72 no time in churches is spent preching from the bible, god's 'loveletter' to the human race in glorification and proclamation of him because his unconditional love allowed us to be justified that we may love and be loved in fellowship with him for eternity.
yes, this means, of course, that even while he's watching you be tortured for eternity, he still loves you - is that the deal?
Is "love" watching someone you love being tortured, and doing nothing at all? just asking, you know, because what christians think "love" is, is very fucking scary.
then explain this... never have we come close to proving that something was created out of nothing. my shoe was made at a shoe factory using parts of that shoe that was cloth that was grown/made elsewhere and so on and so forth. how can a universe this expansive be created out of nothing? we have a law that states that there's always the same amount of matter... it cant be created or destroyed! even einstein and newton and numerous astronomers believed in God. He is real.
I have no idea what one is. How about you show me one- in peer-reviewed scientific literature, and we can talk about what it is - can't find any? no, you can't. know why? because it's horseshit. Your personal ignorance and inability to understand events is not proof for a god. sorry.
22 years old is a kid? well, you sure behave like one, try as you might, kid, you're not one. but the nomer is accurate. I'll stick with it.
Now - are you going to learn about the things you claim to be false, before you make the claim? or are you going to sit there shouting "scientists" are wrong - even though you have no idea what they say? guy, all you're objecting to is the horseshit you have in your head - not anything that people actually DO say.
Look at the beauty of a flower, or the intricate design on a saltwater fish... an artist created those, they couldn't just happen by accident. Impossible. I see the evidence of God in His creation.
Look at the beauty of an eyeworm, or the intricate design on a group A streptococcus bactria... an artist created those, they couldn't just happen by accident. Impossible. I see the evidence of God in His creation.
When you look those things up on google, make sure search of images too.
"So childish to keep going on about something not anyone can understand"
why can't anyone understand it? it's not hard at all. all it requires is that you read the bible intelligently, without a bias, and you actually think about what it says. The fact is MOST theists haven't actually READ the bible - and worse, they lie about it and say they have. - have you?
This video is in a public space - I therefore comment on it, to bring balance and reason to it.
Faith answers questions science was never meant to answer.
And one would be kinda dim to treat the Bible as a textbook on Biology/Physics/ Astronomy.
If you had children, would you want them to love you with their own free will with the chance that they'd rebel. Or would you want them to love you blindly just because you programmed them like that? While it'd make everything easier if God were to show Himself. Wouldn't that be like taking our free will away? Because we'd HAVE to believe then.
"Wouldn't that be like taking our free will away?"
your god has ONLY ONE demand, that you insist, without any reason whatsoever and contrary to ALL available scientific evidence, that he a) exists and b) is good.
Neither of these are supported by fact.
you either use your brain and recognise it, or you ignore reason, fact, common sense, and you become a theist.
Apparently your god prefers his followers to NOT use the logic and reason he gave us.
@TheRealityofNature Here are some basic science laws I know. 1. matter cannot be created or destroyed. 2. Living organisms have to come from other living organisms. First you want to tell me that nothing came from nothing, then that non-living something that came from nothing became living and then that living "goo" , for all practical purposes evolved into the complex organisms we see today?
"1. matter cannot be created or destroyed." Except it can - for a brief period. watch the movie "something from nothing".
" 2. Living organisms have to come from other living organisms."
Define "living".
To object to these things, you have to know EXACTLY what you're talking about. you have to know EXACTLY the meanings of the words you use, and you have to know EXACTLY the current state of the art in science. NONE of what you've said is up to date or informed.
not at all - I have a lot more integrity than your average theist. I'm not too proud to admit the knowledge of manking is limited.
Theists make the stupid mistake of "I can't understand how something is the way I see it to be, therefore god exists" - theists make this mistake as a WAY OF LIFE. that you don't know it's the fallacy "argument from ignorance" is telling.
Many atheists simply say "I don't know" - its the truth, and it's honest.
@TheRealityofNature And then say that God had no hand in it? I don't buy it. It is illogical to pile so many amazingly improbable instances upon one another and call it logic or reason. A creator is logical.
"I don't buy it." I know you don't - perhaps you also know that your "not buying it" then assuming a god exists is a very, very common theist logical fallacy? read about "argument from ignorance".
"It is illogical to pile so many amazingly improbable instances upon one another"
It's only theists who think this is improbable. They do so because they are simply and willfully ignorant of the basic information.
"A creator is logical." read about "occam's razor".
@TheRealityofNature Occam's razor- very good. Only theists think the numerous events in the line of evolution and the origin of the universe "improbable"- very good.
How is a single one-size-fits-all assumption less favourable than multiple (albeit much less drastic) assumptions, going by Occam's razor?
I've had plenty of people complain about the fact that God is logically immune because you can just use God to explain everything away (what you call "magic", perhaps), but rarely this.
actually occam's razor suggests the existence of a god is horseshit, because a god is NOT the simplest explanation - a god is very, very complex and not simply a one size fits all assumption.
This is actually my point: asserting a god exists, AND is logical, is horseshit.
I think you mistook me for a theist - I'm not so stupid - you can read my profile page if you like.
@TheRealityofNature Oh and I don't think you'll say this but just in case- don't try to say that evolution isn't based on assumptions. As far as we are concerned, no empirical evidence = assumption, valid or not. (no empirical evidence because it's impossible to follow the standard hypothesis-experiment-observation-conclusion protocol) Evolutionists basically argue that from a scientific viewpoint, evolution offers sound reasoning i.e. the assumptions involved are valid. You probably know this.
@khooby922 So your religion is an assumption? There is empirical evidence for evolution. You should do research for yourself instead of parroting what you hear on Sundays in your slave religion church.
@BigChad72 And you might want to avoid jumping to conclusions. Do I or the rest speak as if our view of God and creation is an assumption? Surely you'd have picked that up by now. The only reason why we're talking about assumptions is because if you take faith out of the picture (and indeed we are for now, because not everyone will buy the "just believe and everything will work" theory), then that's what we have left.
Empirical evidence? That means someone has invented a time machine. Nice try.
@TheRealityofNature hmmm looks like we have to get specific. Would you like to qualify what this empirical evidence is? I'm not sure how you can agree with my point on the scientific method being impossible to follow when investigating evolution and then say what you just said.
Or perhaps more simply- how on earth are you supposed to demonstrate that something you claim takes place over millions of years (or more) is happening right now without doing a million-year-long experiment?
We observe one instance of this event, notice it occurs over long timescales, then notice another event which bears similarity with the previous instance, and inductively conclude that the second event will also occur over a long timescale.
We also note that we don't observe the same result of the previous event on shorter timescales.
@TheRealityofNature and by the way I hope this doesn't go back into whether or not it is feasible to arrive at a conclusion that macroevolution really happens/happened, based on extrapolation of the principles of genetics/natural selection etc. it's an awfully dry topic. just saying :)
I wonder who was childish enough to flag all your comments.
@BigChad72 oh and evidently you haven't been to many churches. I doubt this topic even takes up 1% of any preaching, let alone whatever is done on Sundays...
@TheRealityofNature Not bad did you actually go search through all the comments just to come to the judgment that I'm making things up? Ten points for effort :)
Of course I'm simply responding to you as we go along. I don't have anything to preach, unlike you (the irony!)
Besides, that was a poor way to sidestep the point. Do you believe your reasoning perfect or not? If not, then stop insisting that everyone has a one-track mind. A layman on the street would point out that you're pretty close.
my arguments about a god - e.g "your god prefers his followers to NOT use logic and reason" applies to all godss.
no gods are sustained by logic or reason, but by ignorance, terror & stupidity. There's a reason religiosity is inversely correlated with education - i.e. theists are generally stupider, and less well educated.
Christians DO have a one-track mind - it's the first commandment. They're unimaginative and narrowminded because their god scares the shit out of them.
@TheRealityofNature You should come to Singapore! xD Surprising, but *shrug* at least from pure statistics (imperfect of course) the thing about education vs religiosity doesn't quite hold here.
You have a point, the awe of God ("fear" is often used in place of "awe" in the English translation) is "supposed" to override some things e.g. the natural tendency to question God's actions. Not that Christians don't question God from their own logic/reasoning at all, or even openly defy Him sometimes.
@TheRealityofNature I'm hardly a nationalist but Singapore is a first-world country. Maybe we're infamous for some bad habits and paternalistic government etc but as far as development indicators go we are pretty much among the top. Especially in education. It's not a nice thing to say but I'm sure you're aware how incredibly outstripped students in many Western 1st world countries are by their Asian counterparts, never mind Singapore...
I love this video, it reminds us how amazing our God is, the universe is HUGE, we are tiny ... yet God cares for every single one of us! He loves us and was prepared to let His son go through so much just for us. THANK YOU LORD!
Nobody can "rationalize" the existance of God. As Christians, it is so plain and amazing and overwhelmingly obvious that God is alive. To non believers, it is equally unbelievable that we believe in an intangible invisible God. God opens the eyes and hearts of those who are chosen to be saved.
In the scripture, the disciples asked Jesus why he spoke in parables confusing people. To paraphrase, Jesus answered that not everyone will hear or understand.
Dont you yourself speculate then that life truly exists 'without God'? Or do you really know everything, do you really know there is no God? You use as much faith to say that there is no God as you would to say there is a God, exept it is an 'anti-faith'. And that kind of faith is saying gee i dont understand so...no God. The faith of a thiest concludes that there are thigns there unobservable by the Scientific Method that are real, like LOVE. It is only experinced when embraced by faith.
"Dont you yourself speculate then that life truly exists 'without God'?" no. I speculate that god isn't required for life to form.
okay, so my answer now renders the rest of your post utterly irrelevant - perhaps you should find out what you're talking about, before you embark on a faux-self-righteous rant, mired in your own ignorance.
An atheist must know everything to say there is no God, an agnostic must know nothing and everything at the same time to be so sure they can't be sure, yet a person who does believe in God knows because they dare to believe. Believing is knowledge. You say, "I need to see it to believe it"; I say believe it and you'll see it... or not.
actually, belief and knowledge are totally different meanings - belief is more sort of speculation.
Faith, on the otherhand REQUIRES you to have no information whatsoever. There is nothing intelligent, or "daring" about saying "gee, I can't immediately understand something, ... therfore, god exists" - it takes a sad, insecure mentality, too petrified to admit it's limitations.
come back when you've learned what "atheism" means - hint: it's greek.
Lol - Actually, I consider myself morally superior to your god.
I consider YOU morally superior to your god too - that is, unless you indulge in the useless torture of good people, for eternity, simply because they didn't whoreship your ego.
you don't do that.. right? why not? your god does.
Why watch this video if you're just going to bash Christianity? God IS indescribable and this helped me come back to Christ :) We're so tiny, and God loves us...It's amazing. Indescribable :3
"Jesus was believed by his disciples to have died and risen from the dead ...."
yup. and I can give you countless thousands of people who will claim they have seen zombies too.
This is weird. we're not talking about the existence of a fairy here, we're talking about a fucking GOD. a GOD!. and you're digging up unimpressive, circumstantial, easily explainable rot, to try to validate your claim of the existence of a god that created time and space?
Jesus’ enemies acknowledged that he performed unusual feats.
His disciples multiplied rapidly, spreading as far as Rome.
Jesus’ disciples lived moral lives and worshiped Christ as God.
This agrees with the accounts in the New Testament even though they were written about by people who were non christians and often regarded the Christians as enemies of the state. More info is in the video "Did Jesus Exist" in 4 parts by Knowwheretorun1984
"His disciples multiplied rapidly, spreading as far as Rome"
scientology spans pretty much every single country - ergo, your ad populum argument fails.
"Jesus’ enemies acknowledged that he performed unusual feats"
So did the huns, when they were confronted with gunpowder - besides, what is "unusual"?
Are you seriously invoking ad hoc and utterly circumstantial evidence to validate your worship of a god that really should have had the brains to be more apparent? why the excuses?
"take on Jesus was "not concerned" with historical facts !"
and neither is mine. neither is any atheist. What is your point, exactly?
in fact - neither is yours, or any other theists - NOWHERE are there ANY historical documents that bear eyewitness to your JC being god - except the bible, which we can quickly and simply prove to be unreliable anyhow.
so - you don't base your faith on history, I don't base my views of your faith on history, nor does BR. - so what?
@TheRealityofNature You ask me to examine the facts and then don't want to know when they are presented! I think you've taken that argument around in a circle.
"Nowhere are there Any historical documents ... to JC being God"
Actually there are plenty of historical documents that bear eyewitness to JC being God, even apart from the Bible - but since everyone who worked out that JC was God became a Christian, you then dismiss their evidence as being unreliable. Please look again at the evidence.
"You ask me to examine the facts and then don't want to know when they are presented!"
I'm sorry my friend, your simply refutable speculations are not facts. they are speculations.
Your ramblings are no more proof of your god than a faulty car engine is proof of gremlins, do you understand what a fact is? Here's a tip; it's not faulty logic, it's not unfounded speculation, and it's not fallacious assertions.
When you produce testable evidence, I'll look. untill then, you lie.
".. there are plenty of historical documents that bear eyewitness to JC being God"
give me one reliable document that bears eyewitness to JC being god. just one, AND an intelligent logical breakdown by impartial experts.
psst. the bible, is not reliable - that it mentions talking snakes, or people surviving for days in a whale, prety much gives it away. Do you understand why I can prove the bible contains factual errors, in one sentence?
@TheRealityofNature Hey all the facts are recorded in a book called the bible so anytime you want to look for some just pick it up and start in Romans
ah yeah, you mean the book that features talking snakes, koala bears that walk about 12000 km in a few nights and eat nothing for more than a month, a book that talks about humans being created directly out of dirt in 24 hours, zombies talking to people and ultimately, a god that murders innocent children.
A book which has, I might point out, nothing more substantial to prove it's authenticity than does Peter Pan?
@TheRealityofNature The Bible does not say that all snakes talked - in the case in the Garden of Eden, Satan disguised himself as a snake in order to deceive the woman. He would love you to dismiss him as a myth, pretend he doesn't exist. I wouldn't expect you to understand because you don't believe in the supernatural and you take everything so literally! Lol. BTW talking about getting facts right, there's no Koala mentioned in the Bible? I think you're in the wrong part of the world.
I do read and think about the Bible. I can't always resolve why things happened differently from how my scientific education tells me they should happen. Sometimes there is a logical explanation, sometimes there is only a supernatural one. But that doesn't stop me from believing in an Amazing God who can do Amazing things! He can provide manna from heaven ... he can provide food for Koalas if he needs to!
".....he can provide food for Koalas if he needs to!"
sure he can. he can do anything!.. except, apparently, find a better way to "fix" his own flawed creations by drowning them all because they used their free will - obviously will is free, but you can be murdered if you actualy USE it.
There is one more thing your god can't do; make sense.
your god is about as far from common sense and reason as can be - not so powerful is he!
@TheRealityofNature As I've said before these were a truly wicked people, sacrificing their own children in pagan rituals - I think I'd want rid of them too. I know you can go through the innocent children bit but we've been there before, perhaps if we could lift the curtain and see how God deals with the innocents, we wouldn't be so upset!
2. lol - and what does a loving god gain by seeing his creations suffer? why not just... snuff them? why make them suffer? is that what you think love is? is that an example of "compassion"? of "mercy"?
An all powerful god, tortures horribly his own creations for the last seconds of their lives for using the free will he gave them.. even the innocent children.. and you're okay with that?
@TheRealityofNature No I wouldn't want rid of the innocent children myself, but how do you know he didn't do something to ensure that the innocents didn't suffer.
2 I don't think he gains anything from it, but nor would we if those people had just dissappeared without any comment, some people need that sort of warning to show what might happen if they use their free will to such evil extent.
Is that Just ? ... who am I to judge God? I don't know the full extent of what went on, nor do you!
@TheRealityofNature I wouldn't want rid of the innocent children but there are all sorts of problems with leaving them here on earth whilst dealing with their parents and older siblings ... I wouldn't want to be left as an orphan so young with no one to look after me .... you tell me to look at things logically you can't see the logic in that.
My morals are not superior to God's.
We see things from an earthly perspective and sometimes we don't understand.
"with leaving them here on earth whilst dealing with their parents and older siblings" - don't you think your god is capable of looking after them?? I fail to see why you think this is a problem - you just told me he can magic a koala 12000 km to avoid a flood he created.
"We see things from an earthly perspective" yes.. and we're punished for finding your god inadequate - yet what other perspective can we use?
that you want project the children shows your superior morals.
@TheRealityofNature If Human morals are so much more superior than God's then how come people like Hitler, Pol Pot and Chairman Mao got away with so much in their athiest regimes. Thousands of people killed and tortured. Yet there are not Christian suicide bombers, there is no major Christian denimination which believes the penalty for apostasy is death and Christians preach a peaceful existence as taught by Christ.
To all you who are commenting saying you don't believe in God, I have one question. If you have absolutely no faith in God, then why are you watching this video? Obviously you have questions about faith that you want answers for.
leafz1331 2 days ago
Please pray for me, I have been through some tough times and fallen away from God.
flameonyouyesyortube 6 days ago
@flameonyouyesyortube Bless you pal, that is a very good start and admission.
Please don't be thwarted by what will be said on this site, as you are well aware , it is the devils playground.
But remember, "Greater is He that is in me",(and you) than he that is in the world! Be 'Assured' that you will be upheld in prayer
oscar45515 4 days ago
AMEN ~ SHARED!
PROLIFEROCKS70X7 1 week ago
Fuck God. If God existed, he would actually exist.
utupoe111 1 week ago
@utupoe111 Just be very carefull buddy,blaspheming, tempting God, "If God Existed"
he would actually exist! If things started going wrong in your life, in a big way, say fatal car accidents, seriously ill health, relationship breakups etc, who would you point the finger at? It can't be God, because in your world he doesn't exist eh?
Well I reckon when, and if these things do happen, you will still blame God!
Just you wait and see!
oscar45515 4 days ago
@oscar45515 I'll "tempt god" all I want. Nothing will happen, and if it does, it is merely a coincidence.
Saying I'll blame god for the misfortunes in my life is absolutely ridiculous. I don't believe in god. That's like blaming santa when you don't get christmas presents.
And to answer your question, I won't point the finger at anyone. Stuff happens, and it's no one's fault. If I were you, I'd feel very insulted that your own "father" is the one punishing you daily just for existing.
utupoe111 3 days ago
@oscar45515 Okay! As they say "Watch this Space"
oscar45515 3 days ago
Beautiful
Laneybugster 2 weeks ago
WhooAAA! The stadium is so full!!!!!!! Wish I Could Be There!
mspacz101 3 weeks ago
whomever is marking my posts as spam, you're simply proving my point about the desparation and dishonesty of the church.
If you can't handle reality, that's fine, go watch tv, but to try to shut away logic and reason simply because it conflicts with your own, poorly-considered and illogical philosophy simply goes to further validate more reasons why your religion is dangerous.
If you can't beat me with sense and reason, then you've lost already - as you're proving.
Grow up, & get a pair, okay?
TheRealityofNature 3 weeks ago
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@TheRealityofNature You cant just say i'm wrong your right! You haven't even proven any thing!! You cant win in a argument my friend! ''....but to try to shut away logic and reason simply because it conflicts with your own, poorly-considered and illogical philosophy simply goes to further validate more reasons why your religion is dangerous.'' I am not trying to shut away logic. Also you cant say i have an illogical religion without proving what makes it illogical.
RiotGuy117 3 weeks ago
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"Also you cant say i have an illogical religion without proving what makes it illogical."
Ah, I didn't see this post, it was marked as spam. something weird is going on.
okay anyhow - crash course in logic - of course, you'll actually look this stuff up on google or something too right? RIGHT???
Okay, so I'm going to give you a quick lesson in logic - it will take maybe two posts. I hope they stick.
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TheRealityofNature 3 weeks ago
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...from before
Logic is a set of rules. They work. The computer you're using is a product of logic - pretty much anything you touch, including your conditioned air is manipulated by some product of logic. Science uses logic.
Some of the rules of logic include "fallacies" - that's something that breaks a law. If I say "you are a goat" then I've just committed a fallacy. i've been illogical.
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TheRealityofNature 3 weeks ago
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...from before
The rule I've broken is that of an unsubstantated assertion - a blind assertion. I've attempted to state as fact, something for which no defensible, intelligent evidence exists. Actually we do things like this all the time. I assume you're male. you live in the usa<- that's a big fat fallacy.
So - religion is a fallacy. it asserts as fact, without any intelligent proof that a god exists. it's a blind assertion.
No proof needed, just the rules of logic.
TheRealityofNature 3 weeks ago
@TheRealityofNature And you cant not believe in something. You say you don't believe in anything, but that just makes it clear that you do....Nothing.
RiotGuy117 3 weeks ago
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@RiotGuy117
I'm not sure that sentence has all the requisite verbs, nouns and particles.
Ah yes, that's right, last verb is missing. It's not even correctly implied.
Are you trying to say that I believe in nothing, or there is nothing I believe in? do you even know the difference between the two?
More to the point; what makes you think you have to believe in something?
Perhaps you're stumbling over the words here - how about you go look up the meanings of. belief. faith. and logic
TheRealityofNature 3 weeks ago
@TheRealityofNature The Church is me and you, we are the church. It is not a building its the people.
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@RiotGuy117
"the church. It is not a building its the people."
yup,which is why I said:
"you're simply proving my point about the desparation and dishonesty of the church"
Or do you think I was trying to call a building "dishonest"?
Okay look. This is not going to get anywhere quickly. I can sense you're angry. But, guy, you're 14. Instead of getting angry at me, why not just sit back for a sec. WHY are you angry at me? Think about it, then let me know and we'll fix that first ok?
TheRealityofNature 3 weeks ago
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@RiotGuy117
"Also you cant say i have an illogical religion without proving what makes it illogical."
Logic is a set of rules. They work. The computer you're using is a product of logic - pretty much anything you touch, including your conditioned air is manipulated by some product of logic. Science uses logic.
Some of the rules of logic include "fallacies" - that's something that breaks a law. If I say "you are a goat" then I've just committed a fallacy. i've been illogical.
TheRealityofNature 3 weeks ago
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....cont
That statement of your being a goat is a blind assertion. It's an attempted statement of fact for which no defensible, intelligent evidence exists.
We do things like this all the time. Usually it doesn't matter, when it comes to you telling me how I should live, and enforcing it by law - it sure does matter.
So - religion is a fallacy. it asserts as fact, without any intelligent proof that a god exists.
No proof needed, just the rules of logic.
TheRealityofNature 3 weeks ago
@TheRealityofNature Its harder to Disprove God then to prove him. I am asking you, Do you have proof that God does not exist?
RiotGuy117 3 weeks ago
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@RiotGuy117
"Its harder to Disprove God then to prove him. I am asking you, Do you have proof that God does not exist?"
It's harder to disprove unicorns than to prove them. I am asking you. Do you have proof that unicorns don't exist?
The answer of course, is you don't. Your implied logic then, requires you maintain that unicorns exist.
Of course you do not. thus, not only is your argument "argument from ignorance", it's also a double standard.
Like I said: learn logic.
TheRealityofNature 3 weeks ago
@RiotGuy117 If I may jump in the burden of proof isn't on TheRealityofNature to disprove God, the burden of proof is on you to prove he does exist, the same way if I said there's a teapot orbiting earth, it's up to me to prove that teapot exists, not up to you to prove it doesn't exist.
libalchris 5 days ago
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okay, I found out why you can't see my comments.
It's because somone got scared, and marked my comments as spam - theists do this all the time.
There's two options. you can go down and click on "see all comments, then leaf through the pages and find them, then click on "show" next to the comment.
Or I can repost them.
I prefer the former, I like having my comments marked as spam, it shows me when I'm hitting a nerve.
Oh, and guy - seriously, don't lie okay?
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@RiotGuy117
"cant see his comments because he blocked me"
erm, no I haven't. blocked you at all. lying is a sin guy - now you have to repent.
lying doesn't help you win your case. why can't you see my comments?
Fighting? guy, to fight, you have to throw a punch, not a wet sock.
TheRealityofNature 3 weeks ago
@RiotGuy117 what are you talkin about
mikehabada 3 weeks ago
@RiotGuy117
Some theist cowards is actually blocking you, and everyone else from seeing my comments - if you go to "view all comments" and then click on the number 1, then do a page search for my username, you'll find all the posts I sent to you, all marked as spam.
What's amusing is your little attempt at vitriol is now more appropriately directed towards whichever of you theists attempted to censor me.
as you say- people don't want to recognize their sin - the sin of illogic.
TheRealityofNature 3 weeks ago
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@RiotGuy117
1. JC is not so much a son, as a human manifestation of a god. Gods don't die.
2. Even if JC WERE a son, it shows your god approves of human sacrifice. Revoltingly enough, he uses his own son to to deliver humans from the sins he created them with, for the choices he knew they would make - violating laws he made himself
"and I don't want to hear your so called FACTs."
yes, I know. Listening to facts & thinking logically destroys theism. That's why you run scared from it
TheRealityofNature 4 weeks ago
God sent the flood because the people thought that they all we're gods and mocked Noah saying "Their is no one God". You and I don't know what the people we're like, but they most have been bad for a God who loves them to send the flood.
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RiotGuy117 1 month ago
Wow soo cool ♥. Great sermon.
YeshuaMyLord17 1 month ago
Behold the future religion: "The water barer"... I wonder what made up deity THIS one's going to be... I'm guessing the new Christian religion will be "space" oriented and will no doubt embrace science....well at least the churches view point of it: "Oh sure there are other planets out there, but our God created them too". ..What a crock. The more things change the more they stay the same.
needs2know1 1 month ago
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I luv this!!!
MSTHERANDOMNESS3714 1 month ago
I luv this!!!
MSTHERANDOMNESS3714 1 month ago
i love how theres 500,000 views on this and under 200,000 views on the next 4 videos xD
scottsbottom3345 1 month ago
Wait is he talking about the Flying spaghetti monster man
Ramen
roguenealer 1 month ago
God truly is an indescribable God.
BMW9871 1 month ago 8
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Wonderful. Unfortunately many human beings have lived on this planet for many years but have not bothered no know what lies outside. Thanks Giglio for your move. This helps us to understand the greatness and the wisdom of our creator. It is not at all a threat to our creator as I heard some friends saying.
maikoumilesh 1 month ago
Wonderful. Unfortunately many human beings have lived on this planet for many years but have not bothered no know what lies outside. Thanks Giglio for your move. This helps us to understand the greatness and the wisdom of our creator. It is not at all a threat to our creator as I heard some friends saying.
maikoumilesh 1 month ago
I watched this at church and it is truly amazing. < 3
Hail the King of Majesty < 333
piaffe3 1 month ago 12
indescribable your clothes disheveled and wild cry of those people
SeHonesto 1 month ago
Atheist and Proud :), this is a load of rubbish.
TheGreatWolfFenrir 1 month ago
@TheGreatWolfFenrir I'll take your word for it friend, but what if you were mistaken?
mrtonyr100 1 month ago
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3: 16)
popstargirl79 2 months ago
@popstargirl79 Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed(Leviticus 20:9)
People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God(Leviticus 21:17-18)
And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.(Exodus 21:7-8)
libalchris 1 month ago
It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings. Proverbs 25:2
The bible is a message system that was written over nearly 2000 years, with 66 Books, 40 Authors, but one message= Jesus.
★ "And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, Jesus expounded to them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself" Luke 24:27
★ "the Scriptures .... these are they which testify of Me" John 5:39
★ "in the volume of the book it is written of Me" Hebrews 10:7
popstargirl79 2 months ago
@stepharnos God's love letter? haha good one. You do know that the bible was written by humans right? No god has touched any scripture themselves. It was all written by human beings. Also, the original versions of your bible does not exist anymore because it was burned or translated.
BigChad72 2 months ago
@BigChad72 humans inspired by the Spirit of God, humans who lived geographically @different places, @different times who did not know each other, and amazingly communicate the single plan of God to save mankind through His Son Jesus Christ
brainhoo 1 month ago
Also, most of those Hubble images are false color. That's right, they do not look like that to the human eye. We are cut off, biologically, from experiencing their full existence. Humans only see a portion of the full light spectrum. So God makes all this amazing stuff, doesn't tell us about it, tells us silly little stories that directly contradict it, and then doesn't even equip us with the basic tools to see them fully. No logical and honest person could believe that....
alxseg1 2 months ago
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@alxseg1 there are no contradicts in the bible, all the suggested contradicts have an explanation. Just because you think it's illogical doesn't mean doesn't mean it's wrong, there are mabye more things in life for you to discover.
andreas841508 2 months ago
Why did God not mention any of this stuff in the bible? He makes all this awesomeness to send us some message, and then leaves it out of the 1 book that is supposed to be his major communication? Not only does he leave all this stuff out, but clearly states in several passages that the sun orbits the earth. Genesis also says that he created light on day 1, but did not create the source of all light until day 4. How did this book not only omit all this amazing stuff, but get it so wrong?
alxseg1 2 months ago
@alxseg1 the light created in day 1 isn't the same light that was created on day 4. See John 1:1-5.
brainhoo 1 month ago
@theRealityofNature yes, it breaks his heart that those who he created with love would choose hell but in the end he has to purge sin so those who aren't justified because their ignorance and pride wouldn't except the gospel must go to hell because at the end of all things is the glorification of god, whether we like it or not
stepharnos 2 months ago
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"yes, it breaks his heart that those who he created with love would choose hell"
your all-knowing god new these people would make the choices they do, before he even created them.
He holds a lump of clay called "Mahatma Ghandi" - not yet alive. looks at it and says "when I create this guy, he'll spend his life loving my other creations, and eternity being tortured while I watch"... and goes ahead and makes Mahatma Ghandi anyhow.
you guys really don't think, do you?
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
@TheRealityofNature God creates us with the option to choose eternal life by sacrificing our earthly pleasures or to enjoy the years we have here to the fullest of our sinful desires. he knows every breath we take, and he does know what choice we will make, but he does not make it for us. we each make a conscious choice to deny him or follow him. without God, what is the meaning of life? if you are willing, i would suggest the reading of Ecclesiastes, as it discusses the meaning of life.
jtb10199 1 month ago
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"God creates us with the option to choose eternal life...."
sigh..
Okayyy..
1. your god is an all knowing, all powerful creator.
2. your god creates you knowing EXACTLY the choices you make - he could create you differently - and you'd have different choices - and he'd know them too.
You don't get it - if your creator is all knowing, that PRECLUDES "free choice". it's logically impossible. think about it, think hard, don't say stupid things any more. okay? really.
TheRealityofNature 1 month ago
@TheRealityofNature Hey, two things. People that died from the flood didn't go to hell they went to a place called Abraham's busom, waiting to be judged by God. Also they all had a chance to be saved but they mocked Noah saying he was crazy. For the kids and babys since they did not know sin they went to Haven. .
RiotGuy117 4 weeks ago
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1. Your god wilfully murderd thousands of his own creations. The stupid is: he knew he was going to do it. While creating these people, he was humming to himself "because I know all, I know I'll be brutally drowning all these people soon."
There are no "chances" for people you god creates. There are no "surprises" for your god - no "tests" he knows everything already.
So, since your god deliberately created people he knew he was going to murder - kinda makes ya wonder.
TheRealityofNature 4 weeks ago
@TheRealityofNature Also, God created the world by taking his energy and transforming it to matter. Remember how energy cant be created, so he did not create it. Also if you think that a big bang happened yes it did... God made a very BIG BANG lol. But how could the universe be created by chance since matter or energy cant be created?
RiotGuy117 4 weeks ago
@TheRealityofNature You don't want to believe that you sin, therefor making intelligent excuses to say that you we're not created. Now your probably will find a way to see mistakes in my sentence or Google the stuff i'm saying to see if its true or not. Don't waste your time my friend, don't you have important things to do?
RiotGuy117 4 weeks ago
@TheRealityofNature Now we both know i cant prove God and you cant disprove God ether. Your ''Facts' you talk about in you info on your profile talk about how what you believe in is Fact not theory. Now you don't talk about what you believe in but you seem to Hate Creationists. May i ask why?
RiotGuy117 4 weeks ago
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Creationism is rape of logic. Creationists rape science.
They present a purely absurd approach to discovery - that is; assume the premise first, then cherry pick the data to prove it. There is NO WAY to falsify creationism. Not a single way - thus, it can not be science, it is not logical. It's been thrown out of the courts already - so the cretinists simply attempt to redefine Science. - its obscene, immoral and absurd.
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@RiotGuy117 "Is it Evolution you believe in? If so your wasting time with your Circular Reasoning.
Ah , good, because I don't believe in it. here's a tip for you guy; I have no belief. If the logic, the facts and the reason POINT to a valid, testable conclusion, then you sure as shit, do not have grounds to insist it's wrong.
Evolution is 100% UNREFUTED. Cretinsts whimper at this fact and say "but scientists question it" - YES - THAT'S WHAT SCIENTISTS DO! THEY QUESTION THINGS.
TheRealityofNature 4 weeks ago
how could u not like it!?
TheMaddie4444 2 months ago
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So let me just clarify something here.
Are there any theists posting, or watching, who don't understand this series is simply a massive monument to the logical fallacy - "argument from ignorance"?
Does anyone actually understand why this series is just simply saying "I don't understand things, therefore god exists" - and does anyone recognize why saying exactly this, is really just ... stupid?
I don't get why you're all so damn gullible and thoughtless.
Please let me know, Thanks.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
@khooby922 you got me, that time is spent saying that you need to pet God's ego so that you can go to heaven. Church time is saved for telling people how to behave and be good little followers.
BigChad72 2 months ago
@BigChad72 no time in churches is spent preching from the bible, god's 'loveletter' to the human race in glorification and proclamation of him because his unconditional love allowed us to be justified that we may love and be loved in fellowship with him for eternity.
stepharnos 2 months ago
@stepharnos
"because his unconditional love"
yes, this means, of course, that even while he's watching you be tortured for eternity, he still loves you - is that the deal?
Is "love" watching someone you love being tortured, and doing nothing at all? just asking, you know, because what christians think "love" is, is very fucking scary.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
then explain this... never have we come close to proving that something was created out of nothing. my shoe was made at a shoe factory using parts of that shoe that was cloth that was grown/made elsewhere and so on and so forth. how can a universe this expansive be created out of nothing? we have a law that states that there's always the same amount of matter... it cant be created or destroyed! even einstein and newton and numerous astronomers believed in God. He is real.
bballer1377 2 months ago
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"never have we come close to proving that something was created out of nothing"
so, the fact we can't do something means a god exists? - oops. fail.
"it cant be created or destroyed!"
lol - I see, so you use science to mount a point, except when it proves your point stupid. fail.
" even einstein .. believed in God."
sure, just not your god - fail.
"He is real."
lol - yes, but only in your mind. - fail.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
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@PieceBeSteeL
"And explain spiritual events"
I have no idea what one is. How about you show me one- in peer-reviewed scientific literature, and we can talk about what it is - can't find any? no, you can't. know why? because it's horseshit. Your personal ignorance and inability to understand events is not proof for a god. sorry.
"Programming a nation"? uh. what? are you drunk?
"Take away conscience" - yes. Yes you are drunk.
silly theists - why don't you educate yourself?
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
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@PieceBeSteeL
"we have a hard even getting to the shit thats close to us,"
a hard what?
lol -anyhow uh.. no, we don't. We're "struggling", not because we don't know how to do it - clearly we do - but because it's expensive.
Do you find it incredible that life formed exactly where conditions are good for the formation of life? why?
We came from monkeys? lol - ah, theistic stupidity at it's best. lol. you can claim that if you like, noone else does - except other stupid theists.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
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22 years old is a kid? well, you sure behave like one, try as you might, kid, you're not one. but the nomer is accurate. I'll stick with it.
Now - are you going to learn about the things you claim to be false, before you make the claim? or are you going to sit there shouting "scientists" are wrong - even though you have no idea what they say? guy, all you're objecting to is the horseshit you have in your head - not anything that people actually DO say.
enjoy
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Look at the beauty of a flower, or the intricate design on a saltwater fish... an artist created those, they couldn't just happen by accident. Impossible. I see the evidence of God in His creation.
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Look at the beauty of an eyeworm, or the intricate design on a group A streptococcus bactria... an artist created those, they couldn't just happen by accident. Impossible. I see the evidence of God in His creation.
When you look those things up on google, make sure search of images too.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
@goo1242 @TheRealityofNature Get a life, the bible is not to be argued over. And I don't see both your points in the first place.
BobbyRobby1000 2 months ago
@PieceBeSteeL
".. science this, science that" - like it or not kid, your entire life is a shrine to science.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
@PieceBeSteeL
"So childish to keep going on about something not anyone can understand"
why can't anyone understand it? it's not hard at all. all it requires is that you read the bible intelligently, without a bias, and you actually think about what it says. The fact is MOST theists haven't actually READ the bible - and worse, they lie about it and say they have. - have you?
This video is in a public space - I therefore comment on it, to bring balance and reason to it.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
GOD IS AMAZING!
trickybeats100 3 months ago 2
Faith answers questions science was never meant to answer.
And one would be kinda dim to treat the Bible as a textbook on Biology/Physics/ Astronomy.
If you had children, would you want them to love you with their own free will with the chance that they'd rebel. Or would you want them to love you blindly just because you programmed them like that? While it'd make everything easier if God were to show Himself. Wouldn't that be like taking our free will away? Because we'd HAVE to believe then.
Xia0yUxX 3 months ago
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"Wouldn't that be like taking our free will away?"
your god has ONLY ONE demand, that you insist, without any reason whatsoever and contrary to ALL available scientific evidence, that he a) exists and b) is good.
Neither of these are supported by fact.
you either use your brain and recognise it, or you ignore reason, fact, common sense, and you become a theist.
Apparently your god prefers his followers to NOT use the logic and reason he gave us.
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@TheRealityofNature Here are some basic science laws I know. 1. matter cannot be created or destroyed. 2. Living organisms have to come from other living organisms. First you want to tell me that nothing came from nothing, then that non-living something that came from nothing became living and then that living "goo" , for all practical purposes evolved into the complex organisms we see today?
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TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@Doorknobsarefunable
"1. matter cannot be created or destroyed." Except it can - for a brief period. watch the movie "something from nothing".
" 2. Living organisms have to come from other living organisms."
Define "living".
To object to these things, you have to know EXACTLY what you're talking about. you have to know EXACTLY the meanings of the words you use, and you have to know EXACTLY the current state of the art in science. NONE of what you've said is up to date or informed.
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@TheRealityofNature And do you know everything?
tracyjane221 3 months ago
@tracyjane221
"And do you know everything?"
not at all - I have a lot more integrity than your average theist. I'm not too proud to admit the knowledge of manking is limited.
Theists make the stupid mistake of "I can't understand how something is the way I see it to be, therefore god exists" - theists make this mistake as a WAY OF LIFE. that you don't know it's the fallacy "argument from ignorance" is telling.
Many atheists simply say "I don't know" - its the truth, and it's honest.
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@TheRealityofNature And then say that God had no hand in it? I don't buy it. It is illogical to pile so many amazingly improbable instances upon one another and call it logic or reason. A creator is logical.
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TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@Doorknobsarefunable
"I don't buy it." I know you don't - perhaps you also know that your "not buying it" then assuming a god exists is a very, very common theist logical fallacy? read about "argument from ignorance".
"It is illogical to pile so many amazingly improbable instances upon one another"
It's only theists who think this is improbable. They do so because they are simply and willfully ignorant of the basic information.
"A creator is logical." read about "occam's razor".
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@TheRealityofNature Occam's razor- very good. Only theists think the numerous events in the line of evolution and the origin of the universe "improbable"- very good.
How is a single one-size-fits-all assumption less favourable than multiple (albeit much less drastic) assumptions, going by Occam's razor?
I've had plenty of people complain about the fact that God is logically immune because you can just use God to explain everything away (what you call "magic", perhaps), but rarely this.
khooby922 2 months ago
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actually occam's razor suggests the existence of a god is horseshit, because a god is NOT the simplest explanation - a god is very, very complex and not simply a one size fits all assumption.
This is actually my point: asserting a god exists, AND is logical, is horseshit.
I think you mistook me for a theist - I'm not so stupid - you can read my profile page if you like.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
@TheRealityofNature Oh and I don't think you'll say this but just in case- don't try to say that evolution isn't based on assumptions. As far as we are concerned, no empirical evidence = assumption, valid or not. (no empirical evidence because it's impossible to follow the standard hypothesis-experiment-observation-conclusion protocol) Evolutionists basically argue that from a scientific viewpoint, evolution offers sound reasoning i.e. the assumptions involved are valid. You probably know this.
khooby922 2 months ago
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yes, I entirely agree.
see my reply to your next post about occam's razor.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
@khooby922 So your religion is an assumption? There is empirical evidence for evolution. You should do research for yourself instead of parroting what you hear on Sundays in your slave religion church.
BigChad72 2 months ago
@BigChad72 And you might want to avoid jumping to conclusions. Do I or the rest speak as if our view of God and creation is an assumption? Surely you'd have picked that up by now. The only reason why we're talking about assumptions is because if you take faith out of the picture (and indeed we are for now, because not everyone will buy the "just believe and everything will work" theory), then that's what we have left.
Empirical evidence? That means someone has invented a time machine. Nice try.
khooby922 2 months ago
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"Empirical evidence? That means someone has invented a time machine. Nice try."
lol - no, it just means you've interpreted the empirical evidence when you're a moron. Bad try - try again and try harder.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
@TheRealityofNature hmmm looks like we have to get specific. Would you like to qualify what this empirical evidence is? I'm not sure how you can agree with my point on the scientific method being impossible to follow when investigating evolution and then say what you just said.
Or perhaps more simply- how on earth are you supposed to demonstrate that something you claim takes place over millions of years (or more) is happening right now without doing a million-year-long experiment?
khooby922 2 months ago
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"how on earth are you supposed to demonstrate..."
We observe one instance of this event, notice it occurs over long timescales, then notice another event which bears similarity with the previous instance, and inductively conclude that the second event will also occur over a long timescale.
We also note that we don't observe the same result of the previous event on shorter timescales.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
@khooby922
"whether or not it is feasible to arrive at a conclusion that macroevolution really happens/happened, based on extrapolation"
The assumption that it is, is intrinsic to all of science, the LACK of an assertion that it is, is also fundamental to science.
I.e. we assume it it's valid, except we know it's not.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
@TheRealityofNature and by the way I hope this doesn't go back into whether or not it is feasible to arrive at a conclusion that macroevolution really happens/happened, based on extrapolation of the principles of genetics/natural selection etc. it's an awfully dry topic. just saying :)
I wonder who was childish enough to flag all your comments.
khooby922 2 months ago
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"I wonder who was childish enough to flag all your comments."
theists.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
@BigChad72 oh and evidently you haven't been to many churches. I doubt this topic even takes up 1% of any preaching, let alone whatever is done on Sundays...
khooby922 2 months ago
@TheRealityofNature Not bad did you actually go search through all the comments just to come to the judgment that I'm making things up? Ten points for effort :)
Of course I'm simply responding to you as we go along. I don't have anything to preach, unlike you (the irony!)
Besides, that was a poor way to sidestep the point. Do you believe your reasoning perfect or not? If not, then stop insisting that everyone has a one-track mind. A layman on the street would point out that you're pretty close.
khooby922 2 months ago
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my arguments about a god - e.g "your god prefers his followers to NOT use logic and reason" applies to all godss.
no gods are sustained by logic or reason, but by ignorance, terror & stupidity. There's a reason religiosity is inversely correlated with education - i.e. theists are generally stupider, and less well educated.
Christians DO have a one-track mind - it's the first commandment. They're unimaginative and narrowminded because their god scares the shit out of them.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
@TheRealityofNature You should come to Singapore! xD Surprising, but *shrug* at least from pure statistics (imperfect of course) the thing about education vs religiosity doesn't quite hold here.
You have a point, the awe of God ("fear" is often used in place of "awe" in the English translation) is "supposed" to override some things e.g. the natural tendency to question God's actions. Not that Christians don't question God from their own logic/reasoning at all, or even openly defy Him sometimes.
khooby922 2 months ago
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"the thing about education vs religiosity doesn't quite hold here."
yes.. there's probably a good reason for that...
The "thing" holds for all 1st world countries - and it's not just about christianity - ALL religions.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
@TheRealityofNature I'm hardly a nationalist but Singapore is a first-world country. Maybe we're infamous for some bad habits and paternalistic government etc but as far as development indicators go we are pretty much among the top. Especially in education. It's not a nice thing to say but I'm sure you're aware how incredibly outstripped students in many Western 1st world countries are by their Asian counterparts, never mind Singapore...
khooby922 2 months ago
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very well,
"at least from pure statistics (imperfect of course) the thing about education vs religiosity doesn't quite hold here."
produce your statistics.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
How can anyone unlike this wonderful video? Like if you agree! :)
JoyWrocks 3 months ago in playlist Indescribable! by Louie Giglio
I love this video, it reminds us how amazing our God is, the universe is HUGE, we are tiny ... yet God cares for every single one of us! He loves us and was prepared to let His son go through so much just for us. THANK YOU LORD!
tracyjane221 3 months ago
Nobody can "rationalize" the existance of God. As Christians, it is so plain and amazing and overwhelmingly obvious that God is alive. To non believers, it is equally unbelievable that we believe in an intangible invisible God. God opens the eyes and hearts of those who are chosen to be saved.
In the scripture, the disciples asked Jesus why he spoke in parables confusing people. To paraphrase, Jesus answered that not everyone will hear or understand.
Joshl74 3 months ago
this video changed my life
lizbonosavestheday 3 months ago
Dont you yourself speculate then that life truly exists 'without God'? Or do you really know everything, do you really know there is no God? You use as much faith to say that there is no God as you would to say there is a God, exept it is an 'anti-faith'. And that kind of faith is saying gee i dont understand so...no God. The faith of a thiest concludes that there are thigns there unobservable by the Scientific Method that are real, like LOVE. It is only experinced when embraced by faith.
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TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
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"Dont you yourself speculate then that life truly exists 'without God'?" no. I speculate that god isn't required for life to form.
okay, so my answer now renders the rest of your post utterly irrelevant - perhaps you should find out what you're talking about, before you embark on a faux-self-righteous rant, mired in your own ignorance.
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
An atheist must know everything to say there is no God, an agnostic must know nothing and everything at the same time to be so sure they can't be sure, yet a person who does believe in God knows because they dare to believe. Believing is knowledge. You say, "I need to see it to believe it"; I say believe it and you'll see it... or not.
RevDanielJFSmith 3 months ago
@RevDanielJFSmith
"Believing is knowledge"
actually, belief and knowledge are totally different meanings - belief is more sort of speculation.
Faith, on the otherhand REQUIRES you to have no information whatsoever. There is nothing intelligent, or "daring" about saying "gee, I can't immediately understand something, ... therfore, god exists" - it takes a sad, insecure mentality, too petrified to admit it's limitations.
come back when you've learned what "atheism" means - hint: it's greek.
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
50 people were convicted of their inadequacy before a Holy God.
Bearthedancingman 3 months ago
@Bearthedancingman
Lol - Actually, I consider myself morally superior to your god.
I consider YOU morally superior to your god too - that is, unless you indulge in the useless torture of good people, for eternity, simply because they didn't whoreship your ego.
you don't do that.. right? why not? your god does.
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
Why watch this video if you're just going to bash Christianity? God IS indescribable and this helped me come back to Christ :) We're so tiny, and God loves us...It's amazing. Indescribable :3
DarksideCookiez 3 months ago
For folks who are confused about atheists, and think they are "dead bodies".
I suggest you sit down, and do what the nobel-prize winning philosopher: Betrand Russel tells us.
"Examine the facts, and ask yourself, what truth do the facts bear out?"
Are there any "facts" for your god? (the answer is "no", by the way).
He goes on:
"never let yourself be diverted by what you wish to believe - look only at the facts"
You ARE being diverted by what you WANT to believe. think intelligently guys!
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@TheRealityofNature Sorry about the dead "body thing".
Thinking of Facts, I can give you these all referenced in early non christian sources:
Jesus Christ was a real person,
He was from Nazareth.
He lived a wise and virtuous life.
He was crucified in Judea under Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius Caesar at Passover time, being considered the Jewish king.
Jesus was believed by his disciples to have died and risen from the dead three days later.
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"Jesus was believed by his disciples to have died and risen from the dead ...."
yup. and I can give you countless thousands of people who will claim they have seen zombies too.
This is weird. we're not talking about the existence of a fairy here, we're talking about a fucking GOD. a GOD!. and you're digging up unimpressive, circumstantial, easily explainable rot, to try to validate your claim of the existence of a god that created time and space?
you can't do better???
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@TheRealityofNature ...
Jesus’ enemies acknowledged that he performed unusual feats.
His disciples multiplied rapidly, spreading as far as Rome.
Jesus’ disciples lived moral lives and worshiped Christ as God.
This agrees with the accounts in the New Testament even though they were written about by people who were non christians and often regarded the Christians as enemies of the state. More info is in the video "Did Jesus Exist" in 4 parts by Knowwheretorun1984
This is intelligent research!
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@tracyjane221
"His disciples multiplied rapidly, spreading as far as Rome"
scientology spans pretty much every single country - ergo, your ad populum argument fails.
"Jesus’ enemies acknowledged that he performed unusual feats"
So did the huns, when they were confronted with gunpowder - besides, what is "unusual"?
Are you seriously invoking ad hoc and utterly circumstantial evidence to validate your worship of a god that really should have had the brains to be more apparent? why the excuses?
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@TheRealityofNature ...
Even the early opponents of Jesus never doubted the historicity of Jesus!
They knew he existed.
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I'm not refuting his existence guy. I never was.
How about you read what I write, rather than read what you want me to have written?
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@TheRealityofNature
BTW Bertrand Russel has admitted that
his take on Jesus was "not concerned" with historical facts !
("Why I am not a Christian", New York: Simon & Schuster, 1957)
tracyjane221 3 months ago
@tracyjane221
"take on Jesus was "not concerned" with historical facts !"
and neither is mine. neither is any atheist. What is your point, exactly?
in fact - neither is yours, or any other theists - NOWHERE are there ANY historical documents that bear eyewitness to your JC being god - except the bible, which we can quickly and simply prove to be unreliable anyhow.
so - you don't base your faith on history, I don't base my views of your faith on history, nor does BR. - so what?
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@TheRealityofNature You ask me to examine the facts and then don't want to know when they are presented! I think you've taken that argument around in a circle.
"Nowhere are there Any historical documents ... to JC being God"
Actually there are plenty of historical documents that bear eyewitness to JC being God, even apart from the Bible - but since everyone who worked out that JC was God became a Christian, you then dismiss their evidence as being unreliable. Please look again at the evidence.
tracyjane221 3 months ago
@tracyjane221
"You ask me to examine the facts and then don't want to know when they are presented!"
I'm sorry my friend, your simply refutable speculations are not facts. they are speculations.
Your ramblings are no more proof of your god than a faulty car engine is proof of gremlins, do you understand what a fact is? Here's a tip; it's not faulty logic, it's not unfounded speculation, and it's not fallacious assertions.
When you produce testable evidence, I'll look. untill then, you lie.
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@tracyjane221
Oh, and an addition to my last post:
".. there are plenty of historical documents that bear eyewitness to JC being God"
give me one reliable document that bears eyewitness to JC being god. just one, AND an intelligent logical breakdown by impartial experts.
psst. the bible, is not reliable - that it mentions talking snakes, or people surviving for days in a whale, prety much gives it away. Do you understand why I can prove the bible contains factual errors, in one sentence?
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@TheRealityofNature Hey all the facts are recorded in a book called the bible so anytime you want to look for some just pick it up and start in Romans
Pinlogo17 3 months ago
@Pinlogo17
"... all the facts are recorded in .. the bible"
ah yeah, you mean the book that features talking snakes, koala bears that walk about 12000 km in a few nights and eat nothing for more than a month, a book that talks about humans being created directly out of dirt in 24 hours, zombies talking to people and ultimately, a god that murders innocent children.
A book which has, I might point out, nothing more substantial to prove it's authenticity than does Peter Pan?
That book?
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@TheRealityofNature The Bible does not say that all snakes talked - in the case in the Garden of Eden, Satan disguised himself as a snake in order to deceive the woman. He would love you to dismiss him as a myth, pretend he doesn't exist. I wouldn't expect you to understand because you don't believe in the supernatural and you take everything so literally! Lol. BTW talking about getting facts right, there's no Koala mentioned in the Bible? I think you're in the wrong part of the world.
tracyjane221 3 months ago
@tracyjane221
"...not say that all snakes talked"
oh yes, okay, just one talking snake. Because one talking snake is plausible? ...um, righto.
"there's no Koala mentioned in the Bible"
oh okay - remind me again how all the animals in australia survived the flood then?
when you talk to me guy, make sure you've read AND thought about your bible first okay?
now, I'm off to find my talking snake - who's actually a GOOD white witch and give magic fairyfloss to the kids who feed her hamsters.
hehe
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@TheRealityofNature btw the name would suggest that i'm a gal not a guy :-)
I do read and think about the Bible. I can't always resolve why things happened differently from how my scientific education tells me they should happen. Sometimes there is a logical explanation, sometimes there is only a supernatural one. But that doesn't stop me from believing in an Amazing God who can do Amazing things! He can provide manna from heaven ... he can provide food for Koalas if he needs to!
tracyjane221 3 months ago
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WHY do you believe something you know is silly?
What does it do for you? what do you get out of it?
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
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And finally:
".....he can provide food for Koalas if he needs to!"
sure he can. he can do anything!.. except, apparently, find a better way to "fix" his own flawed creations by drowning them all because they used their free will - obviously will is free, but you can be murdered if you actualy USE it.
There is one more thing your god can't do; make sense.
your god is about as far from common sense and reason as can be - not so powerful is he!
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@TheRealityofNature As I've said before these were a truly wicked people, sacrificing their own children in pagan rituals - I think I'd want rid of them too. I know you can go through the innocent children bit but we've been there before, perhaps if we could lift the curtain and see how God deals with the innocents, we wouldn't be so upset!
tracyjane221 3 months ago
@tracyjane221
"I think I'd want rid of them too"
1. even the innocent children?
2. lol - and what does a loving god gain by seeing his creations suffer? why not just... snuff them? why make them suffer? is that what you think love is? is that an example of "compassion"? of "mercy"?
An all powerful god, tortures horribly his own creations for the last seconds of their lives for using the free will he gave them.. even the innocent children.. and you're okay with that?
seriously, is that just?
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@TheRealityofNature No I wouldn't want rid of the innocent children myself, but how do you know he didn't do something to ensure that the innocents didn't suffer.
2 I don't think he gains anything from it, but nor would we if those people had just dissappeared without any comment, some people need that sort of warning to show what might happen if they use their free will to such evil extent.
Is that Just ? ... who am I to judge God? I don't know the full extent of what went on, nor do you!
tracyjane221 3 months ago
@tracyjane221
"No I wouldn't want rid of the innocent children myself" Congratulations - your morals are superior to your god's.
"how do you know he didn't do something.."
oh, he did... to noah. apparently the bible is happy to detail (a silly story) about a handful of people, but not the thousands of innocent children.
"who am I to judge God"
I didn't ask you to - I asked for your opinon. It's a test - do you have courage to have an opinion? or are you a puppet?
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@TheRealityofNature I wouldn't want rid of the innocent children but there are all sorts of problems with leaving them here on earth whilst dealing with their parents and older siblings ... I wouldn't want to be left as an orphan so young with no one to look after me .... you tell me to look at things logically you can't see the logic in that.
My morals are not superior to God's.
We see things from an earthly perspective and sometimes we don't understand.
tracyjane221 3 months ago
@tracyjane221
"with leaving them here on earth whilst dealing with their parents and older siblings" - don't you think your god is capable of looking after them?? I fail to see why you think this is a problem - you just told me he can magic a koala 12000 km to avoid a flood he created.
"We see things from an earthly perspective" yes.. and we're punished for finding your god inadequate - yet what other perspective can we use?
that you want project the children shows your superior morals.
TheRealityofNature 3 months ago
@TheRealityofNature If Human morals are so much more superior than God's then how come people like Hitler, Pol Pot and Chairman Mao got away with so much in their athiest regimes. Thousands of people killed and tortured. Yet there are not Christian suicide bombers, there is no major Christian denimination which believes the penalty for apostasy is death and Christians preach a peaceful existence as taught by Christ.
tracyjane221 3 months ago