Obama's Remarks Nationalize Mosque Debate

[tjl1297]

what else would be better than a place of peace,love, and worship near a place of hurt and horrible memories?

[KENA429]

Lies and more lies from our controlled Media. They change the topic from who did 911? to should a Mosque be built near ground zero? Very clever. All lies. You Tube WTC 7 Collapse and its an obvious controlled demolition with explosives inside the buildings. 19 Muslims with boxcutters did this? Do you really believe that? All lies from our media. Research 911 and its obvious that Muslims with boxcutters didnt collapse 3 skyscrappers. Stop living a lie and stop being in denial.

[saraa49]

In England, it is forbidden to walk your dog within 100 meters from muslim mosques. The only solution to stop building this mosque is to open dogs’ shops on both sides of this mosque because dogs are impure and it is forbidden in islam. It means: it is forbidden to build a mosque next to dogs shop, Church, or Synagogue in islam. So, build dogs’ shops, church, or a synagogue next to this mosque to stop them. I bet you, the city or OABMA will never permit dogs’ shop next to this mosque

[GrumpyShow]

@saraa49 Obama has a dog.

[saraa49]

@GrumpyShow I am taken your word seriously; Obama did order this dog from the Iranian Islamic revolution against the west. There is a big difference between a muslim dog and a western one. Do you know what I mean? Thanks for your comment. It is great.

[joe035]

Grumpy we are not at conflict with the Bill of Rights or Constitution on this! If the state sees the property to be better service to the community for another use it is well within the states rights to decide! Bloomberg & Obama were wrong the courts have already established this!

[GrumpyShow]

@joe035 Despite the fact that it's private property, you're saying they were wrong to stand by our country's structure and foundation on this? Wow, and I thought we were a free country. Tell me then, what has our military fought for all these years?

Try this. Google, "are all muslims terrorists?" and see what studies come up. Stereotyping is bad, and sorely leads to (or is the product of, depending on how you look at it) ignorance.

[joe035]

@GrumpyShow We are a country of laws not men. Eminant domain laws have established property that better serves the public can be bought at fair market value to be used by any means the elected government decides. California tore down a Christian church to build more apartment complexes, should a mosque not built yet be exempt from the same criteria as a Christian Church?

[GrumpyShow]

@joe035 We finished talking six months ago, so why are you starting this up again? We'll never agree. Get a life.

[GrumpyShow]

@joe035 Also, what is this? There's enough people out there already afraid that the government is assuming too much control. Now it seems they are ok with it as long as they shut down the mosque project. Not fair.

Just because Americans suffered a terrorist attack doesn't mean we can start taking Muslim-American rights away. If this is a test by God or our forefathers, we are failing horribly.

[joe035]

@GrumpyShow The mosque issue is a moral issue not a constitutional one. Bloomberg & Obama both know that property location has NOTHING to do with the constitution. It had already been established freedom of religion & property location are NOT relevant to each other. Bloomberg rather accept a mosque then create the possibility of muslim backlash. I love how anyone who thinks a building damaged 2 blocks from ground zero is now a bigot for thinking it symbolic to Al Qaeda or victims though.

[GrumpyShow]

@joe035 I never called you a bigot, don't get defensive.

As of right now, it's a moral issue for those that are angry, yes. However, if the government steps in as you suggest, then it will most definitely become a constitutional issue, so of course there would be a muslim backlash. It's wrong.

[joe035]

@GrumpyShow it's a moral issue & I don't side with the mosque.

[GrumpyShow]

@joe035 I really don't want to keep dragging this out, but right now we have people who want to take away rights of other people of the same nationality.

I think if anti-mosquers get their way, the Japanese should have to remove their Shinto Shrines from the vicinity of the Pearl Harbor attack. That thing has been there for years and years, and those guys are probably up to something, right!?

[joe035]

@GrumpyShow Eminant domain laws vs Constitutionality of their religious rights to that property. Christian churches get knocked out to build apartment complexes, I don't think this mosque is any more justifiable then a Christian church do you?

[joe035]

@GrumpyShow If you didn't have Imams calling moderate muslims hypocrits & saying if by no other means the US will convert to Sharia law by the wombs of our woman there would probably be less hostility to this mosque. Correct me if I'm wrong but if I was born into a muslim family & chose christianity or atheism am I not alienated or worse considered by that family for an honor killing? Doesn't Sharia law justify honor killings & the stoning of homosexuals & adulterous women??

[daven58100]

Muslim religion should be banned outright. It is a religion of intolerance and evil. Anyone who doesn't think so should look into it a little more.

[Sensimuse]

It bewilders me to see the level of racism that exists in this country.

[joe035]

@Sensimuse Racism, are you making an arguement that the muslim faith is based on race? Didn't we just elect the first black President with a MUSLIM NAME? If you cannot be honest with yourself who do you really think you are going to convince in an arguement in favor of a mosque?

[Sensimuse]

@joe035 My point is that there is an unfair and ignorant correlation made between race and the Muslim faith. Non-Muslim individuals from the Middle East living in this country are looked at with the same glares as extremists simply because of the color of their skin or spelling of their name, analogous to grouping innocent Japanese-Americans with war spies in WWII.

In the grand scheme of politics, the spelling of one's name is highly irrelevant and doesn't have much stake in their character.

[joe035]

Mohammed Ali wasn't born with that name he chose it. If you are unhappy with people questioning your beliefs or what they think you might be pick a name that is American. This is a free country if you want to be percieved as a middle easterner keep the name your parents gave you or invent one like Cacious Clay did.

We are at war with muslim fanatics who call moderatemuslims hypocrits & believe the world will convert to Sharia law if by no other means then the wombs of their women, it's a cult!

[Sensimuse]

@joe035 So one should change their name just to fit in with a crowd of ignorant people who don't know the first thing about the Muslim faith? There's nothing wrong with being perceived as a Middle Easterner, but being perceived as an extremist actually has an impact on someone's life. Superficial judgments rarely affect an individual who sees them as such, but there are legal and safety implications that need to be addressed in suggesting someone is a terrorist.

[Sensimuse]

@joe035 Also, keep in mind that the "fanatics" you speak of exist in every social structure ever created, including Christianity and even government. That can't objectively be used as justification for hatred or discrimination, unless you're willing to point out the same injustices that occur in the U.S. You say Sharia law honors the stoning of homosexuals, yet don't acknowledge the unfair and violent treatment of homosexuals in the U.S. Or how about unlawful torture under the Patriot Act?

[joe035]

@Sensimuse Sharia law is FANATICAL, in which alleged moderate Imams have advocated the USA to be compliant if by no other means then the wombs of their muslim women.

There is a significant difference between individuals discriminating or behaving violently against homosexuals & a muslim law advocating their murder, don't you think?? Those people arrested should have been put before a military tribunal long ago, convicted or freed. Patriot Act is unconstitutional!

[Sensimuse]

@joe035 Violence is violence. Action trumps advocacy every time, and just because we don't have laws dictating the execution of homosexuals doesn't mean that homosexuals aren't executed in this country. For many, the constant humiliation and attacks from people on a daily basis are worse than being put to death. Rarely does extreme discrimination ever stop at just words.

[joe035]

@Sensimuse Being stoned to death legally under Sharia law is a far cry from an individual calling a homosexual a fag. I would rather be called a fag or any other form of slander then to be stoned to death by a law these so called peaceful Imams would like the USA to accept. Sharia law & those who advocate it are fanaticals & should be jailed.. Action trumps advocacy, how long before advocacy of Sharia becomes action??

[Sensimuse]

@joe035 YOU would rather be ridiculed than be put to death, but can you even put yourself in the shoes of individuals who face this slander on a daily basis? Whose lives are destroyed and even dictated by separatism and ignorance? When's the last time you were denied employment due to your sexual orientation, or neglected and isolated by your parents because of it? Psychological torture is far more prevalent in this society and has much graver consequences than physical in the long term.

[joe035]

@Sensimuse You make out as if burying homosexuals up to their necks to be stoned to death as humane treatment! Homosexuals are Individuals just like you & me, EVERYONE must deal with some sort of alienation/humiliation sometime in their lives at least their not being murdered for being who they are like with Sharia & the fanatics that advocate it. LOL Amazing never thought I would hear anyone advocate murder of homosexuals as being humane?

[Sensimuse]

@joe035 Never did I advocate murder nor did I claim that it was humane. I'm merely pointing out that you're underplaying the significance of psychological and physical torment that homosexuals can face on a daily basis. You say everyone must deal with the alienation, yet I highly doubt that it's affected your life much past middle school. In the end, the homosexuals that live in this country are less affected by Sharia as by the blatant ignorance and inhumanity of homophobes that also live here.

[joe035]

@Sensimuse The you agree Sharia law & all those who advocate it are fanatical and should be treated as such??

[WallStreetMaster]

The terrorists have a brother in the white house.

Time to kill that bastard

[joe035]

@WallStreetMaster He has already commited political suicide many times over! We need to vote all of them out that we can come November. Term limits, Incumbants out 2010!

[ArmedAmerican88]

This is a travesty, It is the United States government who are the criminals .The dirty Islamic animals who planned and paid for the suicide pilots to kill 3000 americans on 9-11 are fat and happy at guantanmo bay prison , supplied with ethnic meals and x-box 360s, no trials or sentences yet after all this time.

funny how fast(1Year) the fucking U.S. Gov tried and convicted and killed tim McVeigh after the OK city bombing.

Uncle sam could care less about American Citizens.

[amasuEnd]

LOL nonbeleivers complain to much.

[MordechayAriely]

Obama don’t be Islam ambassador

Obama be a world leader demanding

-Islam countries implementing religious freedom for all

-Stop chasing Christians

-Recognize all human being right to cultures freedom

- Change narrative: Islam rules the world under government&culture

-build a shrine of peace&equality between all human being open to all religions in Mecca

- Stop using Islamic cultural centers to disconnect people from their connection to governments and promote Islam worldwide

[GrumpyShow]

Muslims didn't destroy the world trade center and kill all those people, terrorists did.

[joe035]

@GrumpyShow Al Qaeda will see a mosque as a victory. I feel for the muslims but htis is wrong.

[GrumpyShow]

@joe035 They can see it as an ice cream cone. Doesn't matter. You can't take someone's rights away because they're the same religion as bad people.

[joe035]

@GrumpyShow You can justify taking the rights of the victims & those who sacrificed because of that day though right? It is a moral dilema America has every right to want that property to represent something that will not be interpreted by AL Qaeda as a victory. They build that mosque & many americans will see moderate muslims as being those who have not acted violently yet, but have the same hatred.

[GrumpyShow]

@joe035 That sounds like a problem for us non-muslim Americans, then. No matter how you feel about it, and no matter how terrorists feel about it, it's the American way to not stop the mosque. Moral or not, it's our countries way to allow them to do it. It doesn't matter who sees it as a victory. If people of N.Y. city are worried about terrorists, they should go online and learn how to spot terrorist activites. Not waste time to stop guys from building a church.

[joe035]

@GrumpyShow You're right, but the terrorists will interpret a mosque in such a place as a symbolic victory for them.

[GrumpyShow]

@joe035 By the way, maybe you're right that terrorists will interpret a mosque in NY as a victory. The rest of the world (99.9% of the population) otherwise might be impressed by our strength of character and maturity, such as the ability to overcome hardships.

Looking at all the upset people on this, I'd say the terrorists really are winning. Thanks to their actions, we're questioning the worth of our own Bill of Rights. They're turning Americans against each other, and we're letting them.

[Double07Commander]

Muslims are like Cockroaches, they like to linger everywhere.

[dlucas90]

They should put a large tomb stone for our Constitution in "ground zero", then plant a field of poppy plants all around the tomb stone. Finally, secure the whole thing with a moat of oil encircling the fields of poppies.

Yeah, it paints one ugly picture, but it's more appropriate than a mosque.

[ldksparda]

I hope Black Obumer gets soundly beaten in 2012 by either an Independent or a republican. And also hop that it could be Ran Paul and not the fucking idiots like Palin, Limbaugh or Gingrich.

[govhater4]

Historian Barry Schwartz writes: "George Washington's practice of Christianity was limited and superficial because he was not himself a Christian... He repeatedly declined the church's sacraments. Never did he take communion, and when his wife, Martha, did, he waited for her outside the sanctuary... Even on his deathbed, Washington asked for no ritual, uttered no prayer to Christ, and expressed no wish to be attended by His representative." [New York Press, 1987, pp. 174-175]

[7216sp]

Everything this president has passed has been against the peoples wishes. HE DOES NOT CARE WHAT WE WANT,,,, IT'S ALL ABOUT HIM.

[huntingun1]

Dirty cocksuckers!

[TexasMedicine]

The reason the Imam's want to build this Mosque is because they know it will sow seeds of conflict. Look at all the conflict it has already caused. If it is built it will always cause anger and therefore will always give Muslims a reason to cry "intolerance." That's why they are building this Mosque. It will be a wedge issue and give Muslims an excuse to complain more.

[alzmig]

Great....

[peashooter101]

Great.....